Zone1 Generation Juicebox: How 30-Year Olds Became Atheist Leftist Basket Cases.

I was a journalist at the time. The first thing I learned was that public school teachers/administrations were doing the exact same thing with much higher numbers. Further, all faiths/denominations were in the same boat, along with a number of pediatricians and psychiatrist/psychologist. It was certainly time for society to face this problem.

The powers that be, in my opinion, made a huge error/mess of things. They didn't want to scare people and cause a panic among public schools and other professionals. They believed a narrow focus of just one church--the largest--would catch the most attention (and therefore ad dollars). Even at that time they knew no other church, temple, synagogue had the deep pockets for attorneys to go nuts over, start lawsuits (meaning the news cycle could continue). Law suits against public schools would be viewed unfavorably as those are funded by local tax dollars.

Even today, have you ever seen a TV ad that begins with, "If you were abused by your poor uncle, please call us and we will give you the compensation you deserve!" No. The only organization ever named is the Catholic Church because it can be milked. No one ever mentions that the changes the Catholic Church immediately made became the role model for others--particularly childcare facilities.

While I deplore the shortchange of media coverage on how widespread this was throughout society, if it is so that only one organization can be "fixed" in this regard, I am glad it is the Catholic Church. No organization is perfect, but many wonderful priests were tarred and feathered along with the small percent who were guilty.
I've always said the public schools have had a far worse and ongoing sex abuse problem that the left has covered up. Your post confirms what I've thought.

People are gullible and highly influenced by the Marxist media. Can you imagine if the media played it 100% objectively? Conservative Christians would win every election.
 
Wow. So you know more than nearly all historians who say Jesus existed?

Um, yeah. There's really no actual evidence Jesus ever existed. The Gospels were all written long after his supposed life, and the references in other sources were inserted by later Christian Scribes in acts of desperate FanFic.

But yet you absolve yourself from following these teachings? Isn't that rather hypocritical?

Not at all. I generally treat people the way I'd like to be treated and I try not to hold grudges. Beyond that...

I find it comical how atheists believe in the biggest sky fairy of all; they mythical unsubstantiated global warming predictions.

I'm sure you do... Except for all the verifiable evidence.

Antarctic ice caps reached record ice levels for three straight years betweein 2012-15. Odd. lol.

Not really.

 
If your stories are not exaggerated, that has to be the case. All of the nuns I had knew how to field the questions you say you asked with both knowledge and humor. Heard our class clowns asking similar "gotcha" type questions and none of our teachers missed a beat while answering with a smile or a wink. Never once was anyone whacked. Our nuns carried "clickers". The worst trouble we ever got in was having a nun "click" at us.

Sister Mary Butch liked to use her big wooden pointer...

And, no, their answers weren't terrible intelligent. I remember one nun babbling trying to reconcile the notion of evolution with Genesis... she actually said that maybe Adam and Eve were apes (which completely contradicts the bible).

Might have been harder if you accessed information that covered Biblical cultures, languages, histories, and Old Testament commentaries by knowledgeable Rabbis.

"Knowledgeable Rabbi" (or Priest or Minister), is an Oxymoron. I put them up there with "Climate Change Skeptics" and "Flat Earthers" and other people who have dedicated their lives to defending outright bullshit.

The bible was written by men. Men who were bronze age savages. (Okay, a few of them were Iron Age savages.) It's really no more complicated than that. They saw every calamity of nature as an angry God who needed to be appeased.
 
I've always said the public schools have had a far worse and ongoing sex abuse problem that the left has covered up. Your post confirms what I've thought.

You can say that, but it's not true.

The problem is that the Public Schools have a pretty good background check system to weed out the pedophiles.

The Catholic Church, on the other hand, eliminates anyone who has a healthy interest in adult women.
 
That's another reason it's the greatest organization in the history of the world.

indeed so MM

they've become a global hierarchy , with their own global leader , and their own global agenda(s)

none of which is advocated via scripture

~S~
 
Even today, have you ever seen a TV ad that begins with, "If you were abused by your poor uncle, please call us and we will give you the compensation you deserve!" No. The only organization ever named is the Catholic Church because it can be milked. No one ever mentions that the changes the Catholic Church immediately made became the role model for others--particularly childcare facilities.

While I deplore the shortchange of media coverage on how widespread this was throughout society, if it is so that only one organization can be "fixed" in this regard, I am glad it is the Catholic Church. No organization is perfect, but many wonderful priests were tarred and feathered along with the small percent who were guilty.

That's nice. It's also BS.

First and foremost, as stated above, the Catholic Church has a recruitment program that ELIMINATES anyone with a healthy attitude towards sex. If you are a straight male who wants to have a relationship with a straight female, then the Catholic Church doesn't want you.. unless you belong to another denomination and will bring your flock with you, because it's always about money with these people.

Back in the bad old days when I had to suffer through Catholicism, it was still a common practice to take the gay kid and steer him towards the priesthood. This is what created a LOT of the problem. While the straight kids were all trying to get to Second base, the gay kids were being hammered with a lot of Dogma! So essentially, their sexual development was retarded for a decade or so. Then you drop one of these people into a parish... maybe even make him youth minister because he's young and hip. And wonder why he gets into an inappropriate relationship.

But wait... there's more. Let's get to the sanctity of the Confessional. If a public school teacher admitted to doing a nasty to little Molly, his fellow teacher would make a beeline direct to the principal. If a Catholic priest confessed to doing a nasty to little Timmy, the first reaction would be to cover it up.

I saw a great documentary called "Deliver us from Evil", about how one pedophile priest was repeatedly relocated at parishes throughout the California Archdiocese. They would settle with the family, get them to sign NDA's, and move the priest.
 
The bible was written by men. Men who were bronze age savages. (Okay, a few of them were Iron Age savages.)
Obviously the Bible was written by men of their age! Who do you think wrote it? And while they may have lived through some savage times and did not have the scientific understanding we have today, it many ways they outdo us in knowledge and philosophy. They certainly outdo us in presentation.

"Knowledgeable Rabbi" (or Priest or Minister), is an Oxymoron.
Those who understand the languages, cultures, and histories of the time have incredible knowledge. Certainly they are heads and shoulders above those who look to the Bible for jokes and comic relief, a level that rates about as high as a Kindergartner. Comparatively speaking, they haven't yet made it through the alphabet.

You don't know what is missing. While you look down your nose and sneer at our ancestors, I hold great respect for them.
 
First and foremost, as stated above, the Catholic Church has a recruitment program that ELIMINATES anyone with a healthy attitude towards sex.
Actually, we were taught a very healthy attitude towards sex. What was wrong with your school?

People refuse to accept that moving people around and non-disclosure was what was happening throughout all of society! Every church who was working the problem was doing this. Every school. Every profession. Why do you think I am so critical of the media presentation? While the Catholic Church had one of the lowest percentages, often the lowest percentage, the media saw the biggest payday (ads and lawsuits) by a single focus on Catholics.
 
That's nice. It's also BS.

First and foremost, as stated above, the Catholic Church has a recruitment program that ELIMINATES anyone with a healthy attitude towards sex. If you are a straight male who wants to have a relationship with a straight female, then the Catholic Church doesn't want you.. unless you belong to another denomination and will bring your flock with you, because it's always about money with these people.

Back in the bad old days when I had to suffer through Catholicism, it was still a common practice to take the gay kid and steer him towards the priesthood. This is what created a LOT of the problem. While the straight kids were all trying to get to Second base, the gay kids were being hammered with a lot of Dogma! So essentially, their sexual development was retarded for a decade or so. Then you drop one of these people into a parish... maybe even make him youth minister because he's young and hip. And wonder why he gets into an inappropriate relationship.

But wait... there's more. Let's get to the sanctity of the Confessional. If a public school teacher admitted to doing a nasty to little Molly, his fellow teacher would make a beeline direct to the principal. If a Catholic priest confessed to doing a nasty to little Timmy, the first reaction would be to cover it up.

I saw a great documentary called "Deliver us from Evil", about how one pedophile priest was repeatedly relocated at parishes throughout the California Archdiocese. They would settle with the family, get them to sign NDA's, and move the priest.
I attended Catholic school through eighth grade. I had a lot of tough but loving nuns who did such a great job preparing us. In my six-plus decades, I've never taken time off from Mass, always been involved in a church and have never seen nor heard about one iota of inappropriateness from a member of the clergy in any of the churches I've been a part of. One would think if it were as prevalent as the atheist left projects, I would have heard a whisper about something at some point. But I never did.
Also, in my six-plus decades, I have never been personally asked for a donation to the church, nor has my giving ever been discussed with me. Sure, there have been churchwide appeals from the pulpit annually. The priests and sisters I have known were some of the finest individuals on the planet, all working selflessly for the betterment of their fellow man for basically nothing.

So you know what this tells me? Most of the crap you hear from leftwing atheists is a bunch of hooey. All politically or financially motivated. There are just some students in Catholic Schools who can't follow the rules. There were always a few unruly kids. Those were usually the non-Catholics sent by parents who wanted the kids "straightened out". I encountered a few of those. They always had, what I call an ugly sophistication. They knew way more than they should have known at those ages. And they often did their best to corrupt the good kids. Usually they didn't last, and I suspect those are the ones coming out today against the Catholic Church and Catholic Schools, but they were never really a part of it.
 
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Um, yeah. There's really no actual evidence Jesus ever existed. The Gospels were all written long after his supposed life, and the references in other sources were inserted by later Christian Scribes in acts of desperate FanFic.
Wow. So an anonymous chat jockey knows more than nearly every historian. Amazing.
Not at all. I generally treat people the way I'd like to be treated and I try not to hold grudges. Beyond that...
Doesn't really sound like that's the case.
I'm sure you do... Except for all the verifiable evidence.
How do crazy predictions for 50 years hence relate to 'verifiable evidence'?
Oh, damn. lol.
 
I attended Catholic school through eighth grade. I had a lot of tough but loving nuns who did such a great job preparing us. In my six-plus decades, I've never taken time off from Mass, always been involved in a church and have never seen nor heard about one iota of inappropriateness from a member of the clergy in any of the churches I've been a part of. One would think if it were as prevalent as the atheist left projects, I would have heard a whisper about something at some point. But I never did.
Also, in my six-plus decades, I have never been personally asked for a donation to the church, nor has my giving ever been discussed with me. Sure, there have been churchwide appeals from the pulpit annually. The priests and sisters I have known were some of the finest individuals on the planet, all working selflessly for the betterment of their fellow man for basically nothing.

So you know what this tells me? Most of the crap you hear from leftwing atheists is a bunch of hooey. All politically or financially motivated. There are just some students in Catholic Schools who can't follow the rules. There were always a few unruly kids. Those were usually the non-Catholics sent by parents who wanted the kids "straightened out". I encountered a few of those. They always had, what I call an ugly sophistication. They knew way more than they should have known at those ages. And they often did their best to corrupt the good kids. Usually they didn't last, and I suspect those are the ones coming out today against the Catholic Church and Catholic Schools, but they were never really a part of it.

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Poll adult Catholics and find out how many were terrorized by pedophile Priests vs how many were terrorized by Nuns
I am an adult Catholic who attended Catholic school. No one struct. Ever. No priest who had been in our parish--or the entire town--was accused. Ever.

I now have a Catholic friend who lived in a different town back at that same time. One priest. According to her, everyone knew it and everyone made sure no child was ever alone with him. Only priest she knew who had this problem. Oh--and no nun ever hit a student at her school either.

On the other hand, I do know first hand of boys being paddled (especially by PE teachers/coaches) in public high schools. My brother was one of them and was forthright (although sheepish) about admitting he indeed deserved that swat. Shrug. Things are now different in that regard, too.
 
Obviously the Bible was written by men of their age! Who do you think wrote it? And while they may have lived through some savage times and did not have the scientific understanding we have today, it many ways they outdo us in knowledge and philosophy. They certainly outdo us in presentation.

Then if it was written by ignorant Bronze Age sheepherders, why hold it up as the word of God?
Archeology is already proving most of it wrong as history.
The rules in the bible are ones no one follows anymore, because they'd probably be arrested for child abuse, murder, animal cruelty and who knows what else.

Those who understand the languages, cultures, and histories of the time have incredible knowledge. Certainly they are heads and shoulders above those who look to the Bible for jokes and comic relief, a level that rates about as high as a Kindergartner. Comparatively speaking, they haven't yet made it through the alphabet.

You don't know what is missing. While you look down your nose and sneer at our ancestors, I hold great respect for them.

Pointing out the absurdity of the bible is a lot of fun... because it is so absurd. I mean, I would feel kind of bad if some of these stories actually happened...

Kind of how I enjoy Friday the 13th Movies. The kills are so absurd and over the top, you have to laugh at them, knowing no one actually died.

Actually, we were taught a very healthy attitude towards sex. What was wrong with your school?

We had a bunch of frustrated lesbians and homosexuals, combined with some lay teachers who were a little nuts. One of them we found out later was showing gay porn to his football players.

People refuse to accept that moving people around and non-disclosure was what was happening throughout all of society! Every church who was working the problem was doing this. Every school. Every profession. Why do you think I am so critical of the media presentation? While the Catholic Church had one of the lowest percentages, often the lowest percentage, the media saw the biggest payday (ads and lawsuits) by a single focus on Catholics.

Or we saw the biggest betrayal. Unlike your creepy Uncle, the priest was using the banner of God to perpetrate his crimes, and he often had the whole organization up to the Pope covering for him. Hey, have they sent Cardinal Law back to face the music yet? Oh, no, wait he died in 2017 hiding in the Vatican from a subpoena in Boston.

So you know what this tells me? Most of the crap you hear from leftwing atheists is a bunch of hooey. All politically or financially motivated. There are just some students in Catholic Schools who can't follow the rules. There were always a few unruly kids. Those were usually the non-Catholics sent by parents who wanted the kids "straightened out". I encountered a few of those. They always had, what I call an ugly sophistication. They knew way more than they should have known at those ages. And they often did their best to corrupt the good kids. Usually they didn't last, and I suspect those are the ones coming out today against the Catholic Church and Catholic Schools, but they were never really a part of it.

Went to Catholic Schools for 12 years.
Left when my mom died, and the nasty old nun tried to do the whole, "God had a good reason" schtick...
Still inflicting revenge on them.


Poll adult Catholics and find out how many were terrorized by pedophile Priests vs how many were terrorized by Nuns

This is true.

One time at my Writer's group, three of us who were all products of that Catholic era, exchanged "Nun Horror Stories". We all laughed about it, but the one Protestant lady was mortified.
 
Then if it was written by ignorant Bronze Age sheepherders, why hold it up as the word of God?
If you went to Catholic school, you were taught that the Bible was inspired by God, written by man.
 
Archeology is already proving most of it wrong as history.
The rules in the bible are ones no one follows anymore, because they'd probably be arrested for child abuse, murder, animal cruelty and who knows what else.
You were also sleeping through classes where it was pointed out that the Bible was presented in story form? I suppose your nuns skipped over the parts that were what were currently known as Just So stories; as Fables; Myths; Songs; Poetry; Plays. Sounds like you were asleep in both religion and English classes.

Even Biographies, History, Law were often presented in story form. It is not like anyone could stop by their local law library of look it up in the family Encyclopedia.

Did the lessons on witnesses go over your head? To accuse anyone of a crime, the event had to be witnessed separately by two unrelated witnesses. Next, if the guilty verdict was unanimous, the prisoner was set free on the basis of a demonstrated lack of compassion/mercy by the court. Finally, any court who executed two people within a seventy year period was known as a bloody court.

You sure wasted a lot of your time (not to mention the time of your teachers) in Catholic school.
 

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