Gaza's Children Face "Bombs Disguised as Toys"

[AnOrangeCat]

That is an unknown.

That is also unknown. Some survived.

Survived because they were held as hostages.

They didn't survive because Palestinians wanted to help them.

And not one Palestinian has come forward to say they did anything to help the hostages.

That's you filling the blanks with conjecture.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

I very much doubt babies and toddlers were involved do you ?

Well, kids as young as ten were, we know that. And babies and toddlers are used as human shields, we know that.

So if babies and toddlers are dying, then whose fault is that?

Why are you assuming without any evidence from what I have written that I am in some way championing the horrors of October 2023?

Because everything you say is qualified.

Hamas was horrible...BUT Israel created them.

What Hamas did was bad...but it's Israel's fault.

Do these people have any agency at all or are they children?

Obviously many did not. Some are Christians.

Obviously? Or you're just assuming that? What evidence do you have to show? Absence of evidence is not evidence.

 

[late]

Which goods? Not perfume. Not concrete. Not steel. Not glass. Not cars. Not sugar. Not grain. Not electronics. So what was "heavily restricted?

Sorry to hear your fingers are broken.

 

[late]

Doesn't seem like anything at all.

"Historical and recent evidence indicates Israel has managed food security in Gaza with the stated intention of allowing enough food to prevent outright starvation or famine, while actively restricting quantities and types of supplies to limit consumption. This approach has involved the following specific policies and data: [1, 2, 3]

• The "Diet" Policy: Dating back to 2006, a senior Israeli government adviser described the strategy as a way to "put the Palestinians on a diet, but not to make them die of hunger". This was quantified in a 2008 document released following a legal battle by the human rights group Gisha, which mapped out the minimum caloric intake necessary for Palestinians to avoid malnutrition. [1, 2]
• Current Operations: Human rights and international bodies report that Israel frequently restricts the volume and types of humanitarian aid entering Gaza. While researchers examining food supply data from earlier periods calculated that caloric averages sometimes exceeded basic standards, conditions across the territory have heavily fluctuated, often resulting in widespread severe malnutrition, blockades on critical items like infant formula, and disruptions to aid deliveries."
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So... are we lying or ignorant?

In either case, why are you faking it?

 

[AnOrangeCat]

Was it too profound? Auden published the poem shortly after the outbreak of WW2.

So then why are you bringing it up here?

Not all Jews support Israel's policies towards the Palestinians.

What policies? Be specific.

Theoretically any criticism of Israel, its policies, its government or its politicians is not in and of itself anti-Semitic

So I'll ask again, what specific criticisms of Israel are you making that is being called antisemitic?

You are dancing around the question and refusing to answer it.

So what policies specifically are you criticising? Not a general, vague answer. Actual policies.

but some, particularly on the Jewish Right, and their supporters, do not see it that way. And criticism of Israeli policies towards the Palestinians in particular will lead to accusations of antisemitism.

See, you're just dancing around the question but not answering it.

So I'll ask again, what criticism of which policies are you making that people are calling antisemitic? This shouldn't be hard to answer.

Look at Israeli reaction to countries that have acknowledged a Palestinian state. Remember Netanyahu's accusation against Australia and France? He accused the leaders of both countries of fuelling antisemitism.

What do you think a Palestinian state realistically looks like?

Do you think it would be a democracy like Israel? Do you think it would be a Constitutional Monarchy like they want to bring back in Iran? Or do you think it would just be another Islamist dictatorship like almost every other Muslim country?

What kind of nation are you building by recognizing a Palestinian state?

We tried nation building in the ME before. It didn't work. Not when Bush the Dumber did it. Not when Obama did it. So why would this nation building be successful when all of theirs wasn't? You're not smarter than them.

It's real easy for you to say that you have no idea what that Palestinian state would actually be because you're not the one living beside it.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

Sorry to hear your fingers are broken.

Crybaby.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

"Historical and recent evidence indicates Israel has managed food security in Gaza with the stated intention of allowing enough food to prevent outright starvation or famine, while actively restricting quantities and types of supplies to limit consumption. This approach has involved the following specific policies and data: [1, 2, 3]

• The "Diet" Policy: Dating back to 2006, a senior Israeli government adviser described the strategy as a way to "put the Palestinians on a diet, but not to make them die of hunger". This was quantified in a 2008 document released following a legal battle by the human rights group Gisha, which mapped out the minimum caloric intake necessary for Palestinians to avoid malnutrition. [1, 2]
• Current Operations: Human rights and international bodies report that Israel frequently restricts the volume and types of humanitarian aid entering Gaza. While researchers examining food supply data from earlier periods calculated that caloric averages sometimes exceeded basic standards, conditions across the territory have heavily fluctuated, often resulting in widespread severe malnutrition, blockades on critical items like infant formula, and disruptions to aid deliveries."
• 
  
• Google AI

So... are we lying or ignorant?

In either case, why are you faking it?

Hilarious!

Israel is starving Palestinians by giving them the food they need to survive, and letting them import everything else.

 

[late]

Crybaby.

Got lots of pity for ya, and sadness over what's coming.

But honestly, don't expect me to do your homework for ya..

There is a routine here:

Propaganda, followed by ignorance, followed by requests for me to educate, followed by seriously dumbass excuses......

 

[late]

Hilarious!

Israel is starving Palestinians by giving them the food they need to survive, and letting them import everything else.

Learn to read.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

Got lots of pity for ya, and sadness over what's coming.

What's coming?

 

[AnOrangeCat]

But honestly, don't expect me to do your homework for ya..

How am I supposed to do homework on vague assurances like "it's coming"?

What is coming?

Propaganda, followed by ignorance, followed by requests for me to educate, followed by seriously dumbass excuses......

Asking you to clarify and organize your thoughts isn't asking to be educated.

Vague allusions to...something coming...would fall into the dumbass excuses part of your sentence there.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

Learn to read.

You should learn to read, because your post literally said that Israel provides the basic necessities for Palestinians to survive, even though they don't have to provide them with anything.

 

[late]

You should learn to read, because your post literally said that Israel provides the basic necessities for Palestinians to survive, even though they don't have to provide them with anything.

That is your ignorance again.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

That is your ignorance again.

There's that impetuous attitude that always comes out when you reach the limit of your knowledge.

So Israel was starving Palestinians by giving them the basic essentials needed to survive, even though they don't have to.

 

[late]

So Israel was starving Palestinians by giving them the basic essentials needed to survive, even though they don't have to.

When do you reach the limit of your lying?

 

[Shusha]

When do you reach the limit of your lying?

Your claim is that Israel, as policy, is denying the people of Gaza the essentials of life, yes? Or would you word your claim a different way?

 

[AnOrangeCat]

When do you reach the limit of your lying?

Act like an adult, not a spoiled entitled brat.

 

[sparky]

12 pages trying to reach moral high ground that does not exist in the M.E. fellas....... ~S~

 

[Hypatia415]

So then why are you bringing it up here?

Because tragically it so often comes to pass.

What policies? Be specific.

That reads as rather hectoring.

There are numerous examples: Here is a selection.

Blockading and reducing fishing zones. https://www.972mag.com/gaza-fishing-war-siege/
Preventing Gazan Palestinians from visiting family in the West Bank. https://www.972mag.com/gaza-palestinian-family-separation-gisha/
Racial discrimination on the West Bank: https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-rele...fication-decades-severe-racial-discrimination
Israeli study finds deliberate starvation: Israeli study finds starvation in Gaza was result of deliberate policy
Treatment of pregnant Palestinian women in jail: Pregnant and imprisoned: Palestinian women face harsh conditions in Israeli jails

So I'll ask again, what specific criticisms of Israel are you making that is being called antisemitic?

The Un-Jews

The Jewish attempt to cancel Israel and Jewish peoplehood

www.tabletmag.com

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14623528.2025.2556582

Professor Roth: Israel Exploits Antisemitism Allegations to Silence Criticism of Genocide in Gaza - ECPS

In this exclusive ECPS interview, Professor Kenneth Roth—longtime executive director of Human Rights Watch and now Charles and Marie Robertson Visiting

www.populismstudies.org

Numerous articles on different topics Distorted Definition: Silencing Advocacy for Palestinian Rights — Palestine Legal

What do you think a Palestinian state realistically looks like?

Do you think it would be a democracy like Israel? Do you think it would be a Constitutional Monarchy like they want to bring back in Iran? Or do you think it would just be another Islamist dictatorship like almost every other Muslim country?

What kind of nation are you building by recognizing a Palestinian state?

We tried nation building in the ME before. It didn't work. Not when Bush the Dumber did it. Not when Obama did it. So why would this nation building be successful when all of theirs wasn't? You're not smarter than them.

It's real easy for you to say that you have no idea what that Palestinian state would actually be because you're not the one living beside it.

All the above is entirely irrelevant to what I posted.

 

[Hypatia415]

Well, kids as young as ten were, we know that. And babies and toddlers are used as human shields, we know that.

So if babies and toddlers are dying, then whose fault is that?

Again do you have a link?

Because everything you say is qualified.

There are those within Israel who have warned and criticised about policy .

Hamas was horrible...BUT Israel created them.

I pointed out that Israel helped to create Hamas not that it created the organisation. There is a difference.

What Hamas did was bad...but it's Israel's fault.

See above.

Do these people have any agency at all or are they children?

An interesting article in The Conversation a few days after the atrocity of 7 October 2023:

How Hamas weaponised Palestinians’ despair

Deprived of viable political alternatives, Gaza residents have increasingly looked to violence as their only salvation from an open air prison.

theconversation.com

The scale of Hamas’ attack on Israel on 7 and 8 October is unprecedented and the failure of the Israeli army and secret services, astonishing. Yet for observers such as former Israeli ambassador to France, Elie Barnavi, the events that have unfolded in the region over the past days were “surprising but predictable”.

On the ground, from which I have just returned, there is a clear sense of growing despair and latent violence among the Palestinian population. No one is talking about “peace” any more, but rather “the end of the occupation”, as young people evoke “resistance, by all means”.

This is the context in which Hamas carried out its attack. And the militant organisation used this despair to legitimise itself and win the support of a section of Palestinian public opinion.

Gaza, an open-air prison
In Gaza, where Hamas operates, 2.3 million Palestinians are crammed into 365 km2, making the Gaza Strip one of the world’s most densely populated territories. More than two thirds of the population live below the poverty line and, according to the Israeli NGO B’Tselem, the unemployment rate is 75% among people under 29.

Since 2007, this territory has also been subject to an Israeli blockade by sea, air and land, which almost entirely deprives it of contact with the outside world.

Gazans are regularly cut off from water and electricity, and depend mainly on international aid. Entry into and exit from Gaza depend on permits given by Israeli forces and are extremely rare, earning it the nickname of “open-air prison”.

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Concerns were also being raised some time before that atrocity with comparisons being made between the West Bank and Nazi Germany: Ex-IDF general likens military control of West Bank to Nazi Germany

Obviously? Or you're just assuming that? What evidence do you have to show? Absence of evidence is not evidence.

Are you questioning the existence of Palestinian Christians?