Gaza Is a Concentration Camp with ongoing crimes against humanity...

[montelatici]

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Palestinians cannot ever recognize the state of Israel. That would mean that they accept and approve their dispossession. They could never do that, no people would ever do that.

Yes. The Arab Palestinians see it as a zero sum game. The cost of ending the conflict, to the Arab Palestinians, is the erasure of the Jewish people. You say no people would ever do that -- accept and approve their dispossession. The Jewish people will not submit to erasure of their people, their history or their sovereignty.

So where does that leave us? The Arab Palestinians, by your own admission, refuse peace. They will fight until there is no more "Jew rule". They force a zero sum game. The cost of forcing a zero sum game is losing.

No, the demographics will force a zero sum game, and the Jews will lose, unless the Jews begin compromising. A federal state, a confederation like Switzerland or a single secular and democratic state that is neither Jewish, Muslim or Christian.

 

[PredFan]

How can there be Crimes Againt Humanity when Palestinians aren't human?

Animal cruelty maybe.

That's exactly what the Nazis said about the Jews. The Jews have adopted the Nazi philosophy substituting Palestinians for Jews. How interesting.

The Jews didn't say that, I did.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Because you put the cart before the horse in Gaza. The first thing that has to happen is that normalization must take place.

Normalization can not happen while hostilities are on-going. The first thing that has to happen is for Gaza to cease all hostilities. Then Gaza needs to make a nice little "declaration of peace". Something along the lines of "We recognize Israel as the State for the Jewish people and agree to live in peace next to her as friendly neighbors.". Then Israel needs to make a statement of intent. Something like "We agree to enter into peaceful relations with our neighbors in Gaza. We agree to provide blank and blank and blank for a period of blank years. One year after the cessation of hostilities, Israel will relinquish control control over Gaza's airspace and waters."

Then the two can work out any details in an actual peace treaty. (Not that there will be many details to work out once the simple steps above are followed.)

Normalization can not happen while hostilities are on-going.

Indeed, and the hostilities all come from the Israeli side.

 

[Hollie]

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Palestinians cannot ever recognize the state of Israel. That would mean that they accept and approve their dispossession. They could never do that, no people would ever do that.

Yes. The Arab Palestinians see it as a zero sum game. The cost of ending the conflict, to the Arab Palestinians, is the erasure of the Jewish people. You say no people would ever do that -- accept and approve their dispossession. The Jewish people will not submit to erasure of their people, their history or their sovereignty.

So where does that leave us? The Arab Palestinians, by your own admission, refuse peace. They will fight until there is no more "Jew rule". They force a zero sum game. The cost of forcing a zero sum game is losing.

No, the demographics will force a zero sum game, and the Jews will lose, unless the Jews begin compromising. A federal state, a confederation like Switzerland or a single secular and democratic state that is neither Jewish, Muslim or Christian.

I don't believe the Jewish people have any interest in becoming a South African style Bantustan under the bootheel of islamic fascists.

 

[Hollie]

Because you put the cart before the horse in Gaza. The first thing that has to happen is that normalization must take place.

Normalization can not happen while hostilities are on-going. The first thing that has to happen is for Gaza to cease all hostilities. Then Gaza needs to make a nice little "declaration of peace". Something along the lines of "We recognize Israel as the State for the Jewish people and agree to live in peace next to her as friendly neighbors.". Then Israel needs to make a statement of intent. Something like "We agree to enter into peaceful relations with our neighbors in Gaza. We agree to provide blank and blank and blank for a period of blank years. One year after the cessation of hostilities, Israel will relinquish control control over Gaza's airspace and waters."

Then the two can work out any details in an actual peace treaty. (Not that there will be many details to work out once the simple steps above are followed.)

Normalization can not happen while hostilities are on-going.

Indeed, and the hostilities all come from the Israeli side.

Indeed, Islamic terrorists and their supporters presume an entitlement to acts of Islamic terrorism without consequence.

Indeed, the Israelis feel differently.

 

[Shusha]

Indeed, and the hostilities all come from the Israeli side.

You can't actually believe that. If Gazans shoot an indiscriminate rocket to Israel's population centers, Israel is being hostile? If a Gazan brings a suicide bomb through a checkpoint, Israel is being hostile? If a Gazan stabs a border officer, that's Israel being hostile?

Come on. You can do better.

 

[Shusha]

No, the demographics will force a zero sum game, and the Jews will lose, unless the Jews begin compromising.

But you've just said there IS no compromising -- the Arab Palestinians will not accept any sort of "Israel". So what you really mean is not "unless the Jews begin compromising" but "unless the Jews accept erasure".

Why shouldn't the Arab Palestinians compromise?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Indeed, and the hostilities all come from the Israeli side.

You can't actually believe that. If Gazans shoot an indiscriminate rocket to Israel's population centers, Israel is being hostile? If a Gazan brings a suicide bomb through a checkpoint, Israel is being hostile? If a Gazan stabs a border officer, that's Israel being hostile?

Come on. You can do better.

What about the 50 years of continuing colonization, occupation and dispossession before there were any rockets or suicide bombers?

 

[Hollie]

Indeed, and the hostilities all come from the Israeli side.

You can't actually believe that. If Gazans shoot an indiscriminate rocket to Israel's population centers, Israel is being hostile? If a Gazan brings a suicide bomb through a checkpoint, Israel is being hostile? If a Gazan stabs a border officer, that's Israel being hostile?

Come on. You can do better.

What about the 50 years of continuing colonization, occupation and dispossession before there were any rockets or suicide bombers?

What about hundreds of years of Islamist colonization, occupation, dhimmitude and dispossession before israelis chose to resist Islamic colonization, occupation, dhimmitude and dispossession and map their future?

 

[Shusha]

What about the 50 years of continuing colonization, occupation and dispossession before there were any rockets or suicide bombers?

Your claim was that ALL hostilities come from the Israeli side. Don't Vortex it. Your claim is obviously false. I'll write it down as an accidental slip of the keyboard fingers and we can forget about it.

Now, why not help end the suffering of the Gazan people by declaring an end of the hostilities and mutual recognition and start hammering out a peace treaty?

 

[louie888]

Because the zionist jews will except nothing less than an ethnically cleansed Palestine, leaving only pasty white "Jews."

 

[Hollie]

Because the zionist jews will except nothing less than an ethnically cleansed Palestine, leaving only pasty white "Jews."

Ah, you're a Nation of Islam groupie who wants to "keel da' white devil"

 

[P F Tinmore]

What about the 50 years of continuing colonization, occupation and dispossession before there were any rockets or suicide bombers?

Your claim was that ALL hostilities come from the Israeli side. Don't Vortex it. Your claim is obviously false. I'll write it down as an accidental slip of the keyboard fingers and we can forget about it.

Now, why not help end the suffering of the Gazan people by declaring an end of the hostilities and mutual recognition and start hammering out a peace treaty?

What is false?

 

[Shusha]

What is false?

That Gaza commits NO hostilities. Now, peace treaty? Yes or no?

 

[P F Tinmore]

What about the 50 years of continuing colonization, occupation and dispossession before there were any rockets or suicide bombers?

Your claim was that ALL hostilities come from the Israeli side. Don't Vortex it. Your claim is obviously false. I'll write it down as an accidental slip of the keyboard fingers and we can forget about it.

Now, why not help end the suffering of the Gazan people by declaring an end of the hostilities and mutual recognition and start hammering out a peace treaty?

You have been mislead.

Report back from the National Lawyers Guild Gaza Delegation recorded October 15, 2009

Debunking Israel's self defense and rocket bullshit. Start @ 38:00

 

[Hollie]

What about the 50 years of continuing colonization, occupation and dispossession before there were any rockets or suicide bombers?

Your claim was that ALL hostilities come from the Israeli side. Don't Vortex it. Your claim is obviously false. I'll write it down as an accidental slip of the keyboard fingers and we can forget about it.

Now, why not help end the suffering of the Gazan people by declaring an end of the hostilities and mutual recognition and start hammering out a peace treaty?

You have been mislead.

Report back from the National Lawyers Guild Gaza Delegation recorded October 15, 2009

Debunking Israel's self defense and rocket bullshit. Start @ 38:00

Right. Because there have been no Islamic terrorist attacks by rocket fire from Gaza.

 

[P F Tinmore]

What about the 50 years of continuing colonization, occupation and dispossession before there were any rockets or suicide bombers?

Your claim was that ALL hostilities come from the Israeli side. Don't Vortex it. Your claim is obviously false. I'll write it down as an accidental slip of the keyboard fingers and we can forget about it.

Now, why not help end the suffering of the Gazan people by declaring an end of the hostilities and mutual recognition and start hammering out a peace treaty?

You have been mislead.

Report back from the National Lawyers Guild Gaza Delegation recorded October 15, 2009

Debunking Israel's self defense and rocket bullshit. Start @ 38:00

Right. Because there have been no Islamic terrorist attacks by rocket fire from Gaza.

There weren't until Israel broke the ceasefire. You need to watch the video instead of blabbering on about nothing.

 

[Hollie]

What about the 50 years of continuing colonization, occupation and dispossession before there were any rockets or suicide bombers?

Your claim was that ALL hostilities come from the Israeli side. Don't Vortex it. Your claim is obviously false. I'll write it down as an accidental slip of the keyboard fingers and we can forget about it.

Now, why not help end the suffering of the Gazan people by declaring an end of the hostilities and mutual recognition and start hammering out a peace treaty?

You have been mislead.

Report back from the National Lawyers Guild Gaza Delegation recorded October 15, 2009

Debunking Israel's self defense and rocket bullshit. Start @ 38:00

Right. Because there have been no Islamic terrorist attacks by rocket fire from Gaza.

There weren't until Israel broke the ceasefire. You need to watch the video instead of blabbering on about nothing.

You're such a rube. Islamic terrorist attacks have been on-going for decades.

You need to get your history not from silly YouTube videos but from authoritative sources such as PressTV, the Mullah News Network.

 

[P F Tinmore]

What about the 50 years of continuing colonization, occupation and dispossession before there were any rockets or suicide bombers?

Your claim was that ALL hostilities come from the Israeli side. Don't Vortex it. Your claim is obviously false. I'll write it down as an accidental slip of the keyboard fingers and we can forget about it.

Now, why not help end the suffering of the Gazan people by declaring an end of the hostilities and mutual recognition and start hammering out a peace treaty?

You have been mislead.

Report back from the National Lawyers Guild Gaza Delegation recorded October 15, 2009

Debunking Israel's self defense and rocket bullshit. Start @ 38:00

Right. Because there have been no Islamic terrorist attacks by rocket fire from Gaza.

There weren't until Israel broke the ceasefire. You need to watch the video instead of blabbering on about nothing.

You're such a rube. Islamic terrorist attacks have been on-going for decades.

You need to get your history not from silly YouTube videos but from authoritative sources such as PressTV, the Mullah News Network.

This information is from the Israeli government. You should watch the video instead of blabbering on about nothing.

 

[Hollie]

Your claim was that ALL hostilities come from the Israeli side. Don't Vortex it. Your claim is obviously false. I'll write it down as an accidental slip of the keyboard fingers and we can forget about it.

Now, why not help end the suffering of the Gazan people by declaring an end of the hostilities and mutual recognition and start hammering out a peace treaty?

You have been mislead.

Report back from the National Lawyers Guild Gaza Delegation recorded October 15, 2009

Debunking Israel's self defense and rocket bullshit. Start @ 38:00

Right. Because there have been no Islamic terrorist attacks by rocket fire from Gaza.

There weren't until Israel broke the ceasefire. You need to watch the video instead of blabbering on about nothing.

You're such a rube. Islamic terrorist attacks have been on-going for decades.

You need to get your history not from silly YouTube videos but from authoritative sources such as PressTV, the Mullah News Network.

This information is from the Israeli government. You should watch the video instead of blabbering on about nothing.

Ummm. No. If I want information from the Israeli government, I'll go to the israeli government.

You should watch more PressTV. You know the Iranian Mullocracy has every intention of telling people like you what you want to hear.