Gaza Is a Concentration Camp with ongoing crimes against humanity...

[P F Tinmore]

You have been mislead.

Report back from the National Lawyers Guild Gaza Delegation recorded October 15, 2009

Debunking Israel's self defense and rocket bullshit. Start @ 38:00

Right. Because there have been no Islamic terrorist attacks by rocket fire from Gaza.

There weren't until Israel broke the ceasefire. You need to watch the video instead of blabbering on about nothing.

You're such a rube. Islamic terrorist attacks have been on-going for decades.

You need to get your history not from silly YouTube videos but from authoritative sources such as PressTV, the Mullah News Network.

This information is from the Israeli government. You should watch the video instead of blabbering on about nothing.

Ummm. No. If I want information from the Israeli government, I'll go to the israeli government.

You should watch more PressTV. You know the Iranian Mullocracy has every intention of telling people like you what you want to hear.

Ignorant by choice.

Interesting concept.

It shows in your posts.

 

[Hollie]

Right. Because there have been no Islamic terrorist attacks by rocket fire from Gaza.

There weren't until Israel broke the ceasefire. You need to watch the video instead of blabbering on about nothing.

You're such a rube. Islamic terrorist attacks have been on-going for decades.

You need to get your history not from silly YouTube videos but from authoritative sources such as PressTV, the Mullah News Network.

This information is from the Israeli government. You should watch the video instead of blabbering on about nothing.

Ummm. No. If I want information from the Israeli government, I'll go to the israeli government.

You should watch more PressTV. You know the Iranian Mullocracy has every intention of telling people like you what you want to hear.

Ignorant by choice.

Interesting concept.

It shows in your posts.

Nice deflection. Your usual tactic when those episodes of befuddlement come in waves.

 

[Shusha]

What about the 50 years of continuing colonization, occupation and dispossession before there were any rockets or suicide bombers?

Your claim was that ALL hostilities come from the Israeli side. Don't Vortex it. Your claim is obviously false. I'll write it down as an accidental slip of the keyboard fingers and we can forget about it.

Now, why not help end the suffering of the Gazan people by declaring an end of the hostilities and mutual recognition and start hammering out a peace treaty?

You have been mislead.

I've been misled about what? That there have been rocket attacks, suicide bombers and stabbings? That tunnels are being built? That weapons are being smuggled in?

You are saying all that is untrue?

 

[montelatici]

What about the 50 years of continuing colonization, occupation and dispossession before there were any rockets or suicide bombers?

Your claim was that ALL hostilities come from the Israeli side. Don't Vortex it. Your claim is obviously false. I'll write it down as an accidental slip of the keyboard fingers and we can forget about it.

Now, why not help end the suffering of the Gazan people by declaring an end of the hostilities and mutual recognition and start hammering out a peace treaty?

You have been mislead.

I've been misled about what? That there have been rocket attacks, suicide bombers and stabbings? That tunnels are being built? That weapons are being smuggled in?

You are saying all that is untrue?

Israel is maintaining a strangling blockade, that is an act of war. Of course the Gazans are entitled to fight back. It's amazing that you can't understand that the Gazans are, under international law, entitled to resist using all available means.

United Nations
A/RES/37/43

General Assembly

2. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for
independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from
colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means,
including armed struggle;"

A/RES/37/43. Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights

 

[Shusha]

What about the 50 years of continuing colonization, occupation and dispossession before there were any rockets or suicide bombers?

Your claim was that ALL hostilities come from the Israeli side. Don't Vortex it. Your claim is obviously false. I'll write it down as an accidental slip of the keyboard fingers and we can forget about it.

Now, why not help end the suffering of the Gazan people by declaring an end of the hostilities and mutual recognition and start hammering out a peace treaty?

You have been mislead.

I've been misled about what? That there have been rocket attacks, suicide bombers and stabbings? That tunnels are being built? That weapons are being smuggled in?

You are saying all that is untrue?

Israel is maintaining a strangling blockade, that is an act of war. Of course the Gazans are entitled to fight back. It's amazing that you can't understand that the Gazans are, under international law, entitled to resist using all available means.

United Nations
A/RES/37/43

​

General Assembly

2. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for
independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from
colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means,
including armed struggle;"

A/RES/37/43. Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights

But the "fighting back" is, in fact engaging in hostilities.

 

[montelatici]

What about the 50 years of continuing colonization, occupation and dispossession before there were any rockets or suicide bombers?

Your claim was that ALL hostilities come from the Israeli side. Don't Vortex it. Your claim is obviously false. I'll write it down as an accidental slip of the keyboard fingers and we can forget about it.

Now, why not help end the suffering of the Gazan people by declaring an end of the hostilities and mutual recognition and start hammering out a peace treaty?

You have been mislead.

I've been misled about what? That there have been rocket attacks, suicide bombers and stabbings? That tunnels are being built? That weapons are being smuggled in?

You are saying all that is untrue?

Israel is maintaining a strangling blockade, that is an act of war. Of course the Gazans are entitled to fight back. It's amazing that you can't understand that the Gazans are, under international law, entitled to resist using all available means.

United Nations
A/RES/37/43

​

General Assembly

2. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for
independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from
colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means,
including armed struggle;"

A/RES/37/43. Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights

But the "fighting back" is, in fact engaging in hostilities.

It is responding to attacks pursuant to International Law. The occupation/blockade is the initial hostile act, contrary to International Law.

 

[Shusha]

But the POINT I am trying to make here is that Gazans needs to end the hostilities from their side. So there can be peace. So they can stop suffering.

I'm talking about moving forward.

 

[louie888]

But the POINT I am trying to make here is that Gazans needs to end the hostilities from their side. So there can be peace. So they can stop suffering.

I'm talking about moving forward.

You sick delusional POS. I can't believe that you suggest that they stop defending themselves from the zionist animals.

 

[Shusha]

But the POINT I am trying to make here is that Gazans needs to end the hostilities from their side. So there can be peace. So they can stop suffering.

I'm talking about moving forward.

You sick delusional POS. I can't believe that you suggest that they stop defending themselves from the zionist animals.

There is nothing to defend against. No one is attacking the Gazans. A cessation of the hostilities and a peace treaty with Israel will end the conflict.

 

[Hollie]

What about the 50 years of continuing colonization, occupation and dispossession before there were any rockets or suicide bombers?

Your claim was that ALL hostilities come from the Israeli side. Don't Vortex it. Your claim is obviously false. I'll write it down as an accidental slip of the keyboard fingers and we can forget about it.

Now, why not help end the suffering of the Gazan people by declaring an end of the hostilities and mutual recognition and start hammering out a peace treaty?

You have been mislead.

I've been misled about what? That there have been rocket attacks, suicide bombers and stabbings? That tunnels are being built? That weapons are being smuggled in?

You are saying all that is untrue?

Israel is maintaining a strangling blockade, that is an act of war. Of course the Gazans are entitled to fight back. It's amazing that you can't understand that the Gazans are, under international law, entitled to resist using all available means.

United Nations
A/RES/37/43

​

General Assembly

2. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for
independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from
colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means,
including armed struggle;"

A/RES/37/43. Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights

United Nations
A/RES/37/43

General Assembly

2. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for
independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from
colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means,
including armed struggle;"




So then you are in agreement that Israel has the right of self-defense "for
independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from
colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation"

That's good news.

 

[Indeependent]

We are discussing the Jewish people who remained in Israel, Judea and Samaria and in the general vicinity.

Didn't the ones still there around 300 AD convert to Christianity, and didn't many of those become Muslims?

And does what you derail this thread with make Gaza any less of a concentration camp?

Many did. Not all. Many fled or were forced out because they would not become "other". Do those people who stayed not deserve restitution and restoration? Do those people who fled or were forced out not deserve restitution and restoration?

The reason we are discussing this is because we are trying to find a SOLUTION to the suffering of the Gazan people.

There can be no peace and no solution in a zero-sum game. There can be no peace and no solution as long as EITHER people are not given restitution and restored to self-determination and sovereignty.

For the pro-Israelis the Gaza solution could not be more simple. Stop the hostilities. Develop peaceful relations between Gaza and Israel. Economic partnerships, trade agreements, shared infrastructure for water and sewage treatment, tourism. Provide financial restitution and even property ownership to those who lost it. Let each people flourish in their own territory, under their own sovereignty with mutual co-operation.

But every time I suggest such a thing the anti-Israelis argue.

Because you put the cart before the horse in Gaza. The first thing that has to happen is that normalization must take place. The current occupation, as the ICJ has confirmed, has to end. Gaza cannot negotiate while under occupation. Israel must lift the blockade, relinquish control of the air space, relinquish control of the territorial sea and stop pressuring Egypt, through U.S. threats, to keep the land border closed and move troops away from the demarcation fence at a safe stand-off distance e.g., 10 Kms.

There must be a period of time for the Gazans to build their economy, rebuild their infrastructure, build an airport and seaport, with international help. Then there can be negotiations if there are outstanding issues But, the Israelis will not do that, though it is in their best interest as then, the demographic problem they have gets kicked 30-40 years down the road with only the WB and East Jerusalem non-Jews to worry about.

**** 'em!
They got tons of money and used it to build state of the art attack tunnels into Egypt and Israel.
In case I forgot...**** 'em!

That's my point to Shusha. Thanks.

So you agree that Arabs are animals...thank you.

 

[P F Tinmore]

But the POINT I am trying to make here is that Gazans needs to end the hostilities from their side. So there can be peace. So they can stop suffering.

I'm talking about moving forward.

That was the point of the video that you won't watch.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

But the POINT I am trying to make here is that Gazans needs to end the hostilities from their side. So there can be peace. So they can stop suffering.

I'm talking about moving forward.

You sick delusional POS. I can't believe that you suggest that they stop defending themselves from the zionist animals.

Firing rockets at civilians.....nice defense you got there.

 

[louie888]

Firing rockets at civilians.....nice defense you got there.

OH please...

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Firing rockets at civilians.....nice defense you got there.

OH please...

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Yes, firing rockets at Israeli civilians is a war crime.
So is doing it from behind Muslim civilians.

 

[Indeependent]

Firing rockets at civilians.....nice defense you got there.

OH please...

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Can we keep a count of the number of times you post identical posts?

 

[Shusha]

But the POINT I am trying to make here is that Gazans needs to end the hostilities from their side. So there can be peace. So they can stop suffering.

I'm talking about moving forward.

That was the point of the video that you won't watch.

Its a waste of time. I watch twenty minutes of listening to some dry lawyer talk about things I already know. It would have only taken ten seconds for you to type "November 4, 2008, Israel broke the ceasefire". Jeeze.

Clearly, this whole line of questioning is silly. Hamas and others DO, in fact, commit hostilities against Israel.


Now, why can they not just make a "statement of peace" and start policing their own. As you point out -- they did it in 2008, so why don't they do that again?

 

[louie888]

Hamas and others DO, in fact, commit hostilities against Israel.

The Hamas card, LOL.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Now, why can they not just make a "statement of peace" and start policing their own. As you point out -- they did it in 2008, so why don't they do that again?

Why should they do it again? And again? And again? While Israel violates the ceasefires and keeps attacking.

What do you want the Palestinians to do?

 

[Hollie]

Firing rockets at civilians.....nice defense you got there.

OH please...

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Oh please, Habib.

You should be honest with youself and others regarding your muhammedan ideology and the Hamas charter. The infidel understands your allowance for lies and deceit (taqiyya), but let's understand your humiliation that the genocide of the Jewish people as written in your charter is met by an Israeli military that repeatedly left your armies in spectacular defeat.