Gaza Is a Concentration Camp with ongoing crimes against humanity...

[Shusha]

Please provide historical proof of the First Nations of the Americas.

You apparently agree that Gaza Is a Concentration Camp with ongoing crimes against humanity.

I can't see any other reason for your idiotic derailing.

Its entirely relevant to solving the problem and thus alleviating the suffering of the Gazan people. It is, indeed, the FOUNDATION STONE of the conflict. If the Arabs just recognized that the Jewish people exist, have the same rights as they do, the conflict could be solved in a matter of hours.

Now, what historical proof do you accept for the First Nations peoples? What objective criteria do you use for accepting the existence and history of a people?

You are avoiding answering because you know that any criteria you come up with will be applied by me to the Jewish people as well. And you know that there is no criteria you could possibly apply to the First Nations peoples of the Americas which doesn't also apply to the First Nations peoples of Israel, Judea and Samaria.

 

[louie888]

You are derailing with your usual cut and paste as you pretend to not understand the title of the thread and the subject of the OP.

 

[Indeependent]

You are derailing with your usual cut and paste as you pretend to not understand the title of the thread and the subject of the OP.

If you are correct that Gaza Is a Concentration Camp with ongoing crimes against humanity...I suggest you start a movement on...
USMB!

 

[montelatici]

We are discussing the Jewish people who remained in Israel, Judea and Samaria and in the general vicinity.

Didn't the ones still there around 300 AD convert to Christianity, and didn't many of those become Muslims?

And does what you derail this thread with make Gaza any less of a concentration camp?

Many did. Not all. Many fled or were forced out because they would not become "other". Do those people who stayed not deserve restitution and restoration? Do those people who fled or were forced out not deserve restitution and restoration?

The reason we are discussing this is because we are trying to find a SOLUTION to the suffering of the Gazan people.

There can be no peace and no solution in a zero-sum game. There can be no peace and no solution as long as EITHER people are not given restitution and restored to self-determination and sovereignty.

For the pro-Israelis the Gaza solution could not be more simple. Stop the hostilities. Develop peaceful relations between Gaza and Israel. Economic partnerships, trade agreements, shared infrastructure for water and sewage treatment, tourism. Provide financial restitution and even property ownership to those who lost it. Let each people flourish in their own territory, under their own sovereignty with mutual co-operation.

But every time I suggest such a thing the anti-Israelis argue.

Because you put the cart before the horse in Gaza. The first thing that has to happen is that normalization must take place. The current occupation, as the ICJ has confirmed, has to end. Gaza cannot negotiate while under occupation. Israel must lift the blockade, relinquish control of the air space, relinquish control of the territorial sea and stop pressuring Egypt, through U.S. threats, to keep the land border closed and move troops away from the demarcation fence at a safe stand-off distance e.g., 10 Kms.

There must be a period of time for the Gazans to build their economy, rebuild their infrastructure, build an airport and seaport, with international help. Then there can be negotiations if there are outstanding issues But, the Israelis will not do that, though it is in their best interest as then, the demographic problem they have gets kicked 30-40 years down the road with only the WB and East Jerusalem non-Jews to worry about.

 

[Indeependent]

We are discussing the Jewish people who remained in Israel, Judea and Samaria and in the general vicinity.

Didn't the ones still there around 300 AD convert to Christianity, and didn't many of those become Muslims?

And does what you derail this thread with make Gaza any less of a concentration camp?

Many did. Not all. Many fled or were forced out because they would not become "other". Do those people who stayed not deserve restitution and restoration? Do those people who fled or were forced out not deserve restitution and restoration?

The reason we are discussing this is because we are trying to find a SOLUTION to the suffering of the Gazan people.

There can be no peace and no solution in a zero-sum game. There can be no peace and no solution as long as EITHER people are not given restitution and restored to self-determination and sovereignty.

For the pro-Israelis the Gaza solution could not be more simple. Stop the hostilities. Develop peaceful relations between Gaza and Israel. Economic partnerships, trade agreements, shared infrastructure for water and sewage treatment, tourism. Provide financial restitution and even property ownership to those who lost it. Let each people flourish in their own territory, under their own sovereignty with mutual co-operation.

But every time I suggest such a thing the anti-Israelis argue.

Because you put the cart before the horse in Gaza. The first thing that has to happen is that normalization must take place. The current occupation, as the ICJ has confirmed, has to end. Gaza cannot negotiate while under occupation. Israel must lift the blockade, relinquish control of the air space, relinquish control of the territorial sea and stop pressuring Egypt, through U.S. threats, to keep the land border closed and move troops away from the demarcation fence at a safe stand-off distance e.g., 10 Kms.

There must be a period of time for the Gazans to build their economy, rebuild their infrastructure, build an airport and seaport, with international help. Then there can be negotiations if there are outstanding issues But, the Israelis will not do that, though it is in their best interest as then, the demographic problem they have gets kicked 30-40 years down the road with only the WB and East Jerusalem non-Jews to worry about.

**** 'em!
They got tons of money and used it to build state of the art attack tunnels into Egypt and Israel.
In case I forgot...**** 'em!

 

[montelatici]

We are discussing the Jewish people who remained in Israel, Judea and Samaria and in the general vicinity.

Didn't the ones still there around 300 AD convert to Christianity, and didn't many of those become Muslims?

And does what you derail this thread with make Gaza any less of a concentration camp?

Many did. Not all. Many fled or were forced out because they would not become "other". Do those people who stayed not deserve restitution and restoration? Do those people who fled or were forced out not deserve restitution and restoration?

The reason we are discussing this is because we are trying to find a SOLUTION to the suffering of the Gazan people.

There can be no peace and no solution in a zero-sum game. There can be no peace and no solution as long as EITHER people are not given restitution and restored to self-determination and sovereignty.

For the pro-Israelis the Gaza solution could not be more simple. Stop the hostilities. Develop peaceful relations between Gaza and Israel. Economic partnerships, trade agreements, shared infrastructure for water and sewage treatment, tourism. Provide financial restitution and even property ownership to those who lost it. Let each people flourish in their own territory, under their own sovereignty with mutual co-operation.

But every time I suggest such a thing the anti-Israelis argue.

Because you put the cart before the horse in Gaza. The first thing that has to happen is that normalization must take place. The current occupation, as the ICJ has confirmed, has to end. Gaza cannot negotiate while under occupation. Israel must lift the blockade, relinquish control of the air space, relinquish control of the territorial sea and stop pressuring Egypt, through U.S. threats, to keep the land border closed and move troops away from the demarcation fence at a safe stand-off distance e.g., 10 Kms.

There must be a period of time for the Gazans to build their economy, rebuild their infrastructure, build an airport and seaport, with international help. Then there can be negotiations if there are outstanding issues But, the Israelis will not do that, though it is in their best interest as then, the demographic problem they have gets kicked 30-40 years down the road with only the WB and East Jerusalem non-Jews to worry about.

**** 'em!
They got tons of money and used it to build state of the art attack tunnels into Egypt and Israel.
In case I forgot...**** 'em!

That's my point to Shusha. Thanks.

 

[Hollie]

We are discussing the Jewish people who remained in Israel, Judea and Samaria and in the general vicinity.

Didn't the ones still there around 300 AD convert to Christianity, and didn't many of those become Muslims?

And does what you derail this thread with make Gaza any less of a concentration camp?

Many did. Not all. Many fled or were forced out because they would not become "other". Do those people who stayed not deserve restitution and restoration? Do those people who fled or were forced out not deserve restitution and restoration?

The reason we are discussing this is because we are trying to find a SOLUTION to the suffering of the Gazan people.

There can be no peace and no solution in a zero-sum game. There can be no peace and no solution as long as EITHER people are not given restitution and restored to self-determination and sovereignty.

For the pro-Israelis the Gaza solution could not be more simple. Stop the hostilities. Develop peaceful relations between Gaza and Israel. Economic partnerships, trade agreements, shared infrastructure for water and sewage treatment, tourism. Provide financial restitution and even property ownership to those who lost it. Let each people flourish in their own territory, under their own sovereignty with mutual co-operation.

But every time I suggest such a thing the anti-Israelis argue.

Because you put the cart before the horse in Gaza. The first thing that has to happen is that normalization must take place. The current occupation, as the ICJ has confirmed, has to end. Gaza cannot negotiate while under occupation. Israel must lift the blockade, relinquish control of the air space, relinquish control of the territorial sea and stop pressuring Egypt, through U.S. threats, to keep the land border closed and move troops away from the demarcation fence at a safe stand-off distance e.g., 10 Kms.

There must be a period of time for the Gazans to build their economy, rebuild their infrastructure, build an airport and seaport, with international help. Then there can be negotiations if there are outstanding issues But, the Israelis will not do that, though it is in their best interest as then, the demographic problem they have gets kicked 30-40 years down the road with only the WB and East Jerusalem non-Jews to worry about.

Sure thing. Ayatollah Monty is parroting the Islamist politburo mouthpieces who demand "we want, we want, we want". The Islamic terrorists in every franchise of Islamic Terrorism Intl. Inc., are always heavy on one-sided demands for various entitlements which are always followed by threats of what will happen if those demands are met.

Your apologetics for Islamic terrorists is noted. What you should take note of is that the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza was not viewed by Islamic terrorists as an opportunity to build a functioning society. Rather, it was vied by Islamics as weakness and capitulation on the part of Israelis. That's why the rocket fire from a Judenrein Gaza'istan began soon after the Israeli withdrawal.

Educate yourself as to the goals of Hamas, the bastard child of the Muslim Brotherhood. They have a written agenda of their goal in connection with Israel. It's call the Hamas Charter.

 

[louie888]

We are discussing the Jewish people who remained in Israel, Judea and Samaria and in the general vicinity.

Didn't the ones still there around 300 AD convert to Christianity, and didn't many of those become Muslims?

And does what you derail this thread with make Gaza any less of a concentration camp?

Many did. Not all. Many fled or were forced out because they would not become "other". Do those people who stayed not deserve restitution and restoration? Do those people who fled or were forced out not deserve restitution and restoration?

The reason we are discussing this is because we are trying to find a SOLUTION to the suffering of the Gazan people.

There can be no peace and no solution in a zero-sum game. There can be no peace and no solution as long as EITHER people are not given restitution and restored to self-determination and sovereignty.

For the pro-Israelis the Gaza solution could not be more simple. Stop the hostilities. Develop peaceful relations between Gaza and Israel. Economic partnerships, trade agreements, shared infrastructure for water and sewage treatment, tourism. Provide financial restitution and even property ownership to those who lost it. Let each people flourish in their own territory, under their own sovereignty with mutual co-operation.

But every time I suggest such a thing the anti-Israelis argue.

Because you put the cart before the horse in Gaza. The first thing that has to happen is that normalization must take place. The current occupation, as the ICJ has confirmed, has to end. Gaza cannot negotiate while under occupation. Israel must lift the blockade, relinquish control of the air space, relinquish control of the territorial sea and stop pressuring Egypt, through U.S. threats, to keep the land border closed and move troops away from the demarcation fence at a safe stand-off distance e.g., 10 Kms.

There must be a period of time for the Gazans to build their economy, rebuild their infrastructure, build an airport and seaport, with international help. Then there can be negotiations if there are outstanding issues But, the Israelis will not do that, though it is in their best interest as then, the demographic problem they have gets kicked 30-40 years down the road with only the WB and East Jerusalem non-Jews to worry about.

Sure thing. Ayatollah Monty is parroting the Islamist politburo mouthpieces who demand "we want, we want, we want". The Islamic terrorists in every franchise of Islamic Terrorism Intl. Inc., are always heavy on one-sided demands for various entitlements which are always followed by threats of what will happen if those demands are met.

Your apologetics for Islamic terrorists is noted. What you should take note of is that the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza was not viewed by Islamic terrorists as an opportunity to build a functioning society. Rather, it was vied by Islamics as weakness and capitulation on the part of Israelis. That's why the rocket fire from a Judenrein Gaza'istan began soon after the Israeli withdrawal.

Educate yourself as to the goals of Hamas, the bastard child of the Muslim Brotherhood. They have a written agenda of their goal in connection with Israel. It's call the Hamas Charter.

TRANSLATION: I HATE MUSLIMS

 

[Hollie]

We are discussing the Jewish people who remained in Israel, Judea and Samaria and in the general vicinity.

Didn't the ones still there around 300 AD convert to Christianity, and didn't many of those become Muslims?

And does what you derail this thread with make Gaza any less of a concentration camp?

Many did. Not all. Many fled or were forced out because they would not become "other". Do those people who stayed not deserve restitution and restoration? Do those people who fled or were forced out not deserve restitution and restoration?

The reason we are discussing this is because we are trying to find a SOLUTION to the suffering of the Gazan people.

There can be no peace and no solution in a zero-sum game. There can be no peace and no solution as long as EITHER people are not given restitution and restored to self-determination and sovereignty.

For the pro-Israelis the Gaza solution could not be more simple. Stop the hostilities. Develop peaceful relations between Gaza and Israel. Economic partnerships, trade agreements, shared infrastructure for water and sewage treatment, tourism. Provide financial restitution and even property ownership to those who lost it. Let each people flourish in their own territory, under their own sovereignty with mutual co-operation.

But every time I suggest such a thing the anti-Israelis argue.

Because you put the cart before the horse in Gaza. The first thing that has to happen is that normalization must take place. The current occupation, as the ICJ has confirmed, has to end. Gaza cannot negotiate while under occupation. Israel must lift the blockade, relinquish control of the air space, relinquish control of the territorial sea and stop pressuring Egypt, through U.S. threats, to keep the land border closed and move troops away from the demarcation fence at a safe stand-off distance e.g., 10 Kms.

There must be a period of time for the Gazans to build their economy, rebuild their infrastructure, build an airport and seaport, with international help. Then there can be negotiations if there are outstanding issues But, the Israelis will not do that, though it is in their best interest as then, the demographic problem they have gets kicked 30-40 years down the road with only the WB and East Jerusalem non-Jews to worry about.

**** 'em!
They got tons of money and used it to build state of the art attack tunnels into Egypt and Israel.
In case I forgot...**** 'em!

That's my point to Shusha. Thanks.

Yeah, well, we'll leave it to you layabout cowards to bluster about Jooooo killing which you isamic terrorist Pom Pom flailers won't attempt yourselves. Just a lot of bluster from a miscreant.

 

[Hollie]

We are discussing the Jewish people who remained in Israel, Judea and Samaria and in the general vicinity.

Didn't the ones still there around 300 AD convert to Christianity, and didn't many of those become Muslims?

And does what you derail this thread with make Gaza any less of a concentration camp?

Many did. Not all. Many fled or were forced out because they would not become "other". Do those people who stayed not deserve restitution and restoration? Do those people who fled or were forced out not deserve restitution and restoration?

The reason we are discussing this is because we are trying to find a SOLUTION to the suffering of the Gazan people.

There can be no peace and no solution in a zero-sum game. There can be no peace and no solution as long as EITHER people are not given restitution and restored to self-determination and sovereignty.

For the pro-Israelis the Gaza solution could not be more simple. Stop the hostilities. Develop peaceful relations between Gaza and Israel. Economic partnerships, trade agreements, shared infrastructure for water and sewage treatment, tourism. Provide financial restitution and even property ownership to those who lost it. Let each people flourish in their own territory, under their own sovereignty with mutual co-operation.

But every time I suggest such a thing the anti-Israelis argue.

Because you put the cart before the horse in Gaza. The first thing that has to happen is that normalization must take place. The current occupation, as the ICJ has confirmed, has to end. Gaza cannot negotiate while under occupation. Israel must lift the blockade, relinquish control of the air space, relinquish control of the territorial sea and stop pressuring Egypt, through U.S. threats, to keep the land border closed and move troops away from the demarcation fence at a safe stand-off distance e.g., 10 Kms.

There must be a period of time for the Gazans to build their economy, rebuild their infrastructure, build an airport and seaport, with international help. Then there can be negotiations if there are outstanding issues But, the Israelis will not do that, though it is in their best interest as then, the demographic problem they have gets kicked 30-40 years down the road with only the WB and East Jerusalem non-Jews to worry about.

Sure thing. Ayatollah Monty is parroting the Islamist politburo mouthpieces who demand "we want, we want, we want". The Islamic terrorists in every franchise of Islamic Terrorism Intl. Inc., are always heavy on one-sided demands for various entitlements which are always followed by threats of what will happen if those demands are met.

Your apologetics for Islamic terrorists is noted. What you should take note of is that the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza was not viewed by Islamic terrorists as an opportunity to build a functioning society. Rather, it was vied by Islamics as weakness and capitulation on the part of Israelis. That's why the rocket fire from a Judenrein Gaza'istan began soon after the Israeli withdrawal.

Educate yourself as to the goals of Hamas, the bastard child of the Muslim Brotherhood. They have a written agenda of their goal in connection with Israel. It's call the Hamas Charter.

TRANSLATION: I HATE MUSLIMS

Angry Habib.

 

[louie888]

Yeah, well, we'll leave it to you layabout cowards to bluster about Jooooo killing which you isamic terrorist Pom Pom flailers won't attempt yourselves. Just a lot of bluster from a miscreant.

Yeah, well, we'll leave it to you layabout cowards to bluster about moooooslim killing which you jew terrorist Pom Pom flailers won't attempt yourselves. Just a lot of bluster from a miscreant.

 

[Hollie]

Yeah, well, we'll leave it to you layabout cowards to bluster about Jooooo killing which you isamic terrorist Pom Pom flailers won't attempt yourselves. Just a lot of bluster from a miscreant.

Yeah, well, we'll leave it to you layabout cowards to bluster about moooooslim killing which you jew terrorist Pom Pom flailers won't attempt yourselves. Just a lot of bluster from a miscreant.

You will find enlightenment here: All The News Anti-Israel Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss

 

[Hollie]

Yeah, well, we'll leave it to you layabout cowards to bluster about Jooooo killing which you isamic terrorist Pom Pom flailers won't attempt yourselves. Just a lot of bluster from a miscreant.

Yeah, well, we'll leave it to you layabout cowards to bluster about moooooslim killing which you jew terrorist Pom Pom flailers won't attempt yourselves. Just a lot of bluster from a miscreant.

Your plagiarism was especially sloppy.

Yeah, well, we'll leave it to you layabout cowards to bluster about Jooooo killing which you isamic terrorist Pom Pom flailers won't attempt yourselves. Just a lot of bluster from a miscreant.


Try again.

 

[PredFan]

How can there be Crimes Againt Humanity when Palestinians aren't human?

Animal cruelty maybe.

 

[louie888]

How can there be Crimes Againt Humanity when Palestinians aren't human?

Animal cruelty maybe.

Your brazen attempt to dehumanize Palestinians is noted. It's a shame the rest of you people are scared to be so honest.

 

[Hollie]

How can there be Crimes Againt Humanity when Palestinians aren't human?

Animal cruelty maybe.

Your brazen attempt to dehumanize Palestinians is noted. It's a shame the rest of you people are scared to be so honest.

Be honest, Habib. Admit you plagiarized that comment.

 

[Shusha]

Because you put the cart before the horse in Gaza. The first thing that has to happen is that normalization must take place.

Normalization can not happen while hostilities are on-going. The first thing that has to happen is for Gaza to cease all hostilities. Then Gaza needs to make a nice little "declaration of peace". Something along the lines of "We recognize Israel as the State for the Jewish people and agree to live in peace next to her as friendly neighbors.". Then Israel needs to make a statement of intent. Something like "We agree to enter into peaceful relations with our neighbors in Gaza. We agree to provide blank and blank and blank for a period of blank years. One year after the cessation of hostilities, Israel will relinquish control control over Gaza's airspace and waters."

Then the two can work out any details in an actual peace treaty. (Not that there will be many details to work out once the simple steps above are followed.)

 

[montelatici]

Because you put the cart before the horse in Gaza. The first thing that has to happen is that normalization must take place.

Normalization can not happen while hostilities are on-going. The first thing that has to happen is for Gaza to cease all hostilities. Then Gaza needs to make a nice little "declaration of peace". Something along the lines of "We recognize Israel as the State for the Jewish people and agree to live in peace next to her as friendly neighbors.". Then Israel needs to make a statement of intent. Something like "We agree to enter into peaceful relations with our neighbors in Gaza. We agree to provide blank and blank and blank for a period of blank years. One year after the cessation of hostilities, Israel will relinquish control control over Gaza's airspace and waters."

Then the two can work out any details in an actual peace treaty. (Not that there will be many details to work out once the simple steps above are followed.)

Palestinians cannot ever recognize the state of Israel. That would mean that they accept and approve their dispossession. They could never do that, no people would ever do that.

 

[Shusha]

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Palestinians cannot ever recognize the state of Israel. That would mean that they accept and approve their dispossession. They could never do that, no people would ever do that.

Yes. The Arab Palestinians see it as a zero sum game. The cost of ending the conflict, to the Arab Palestinians, is the erasure of the Jewish people. You say no people would ever do that -- accept and approve their dispossession. The Jewish people will not submit to erasure of their people, their history or their sovereignty.

So where does that leave us? The Arab Palestinians, by your own admission, refuse peace. They will fight until there is no more "Jew rule". They force a zero sum game. The cost of forcing a zero sum game is losing.

 

[montelatici]

How can there be Crimes Againt Humanity when Palestinians aren't human?

Animal cruelty maybe.

That's exactly what the Nazis said about the Jews. The Jews have adopted the Nazi philosophy substituting Palestinians for Jews. How interesting.