Gaza Genocide: 67% Gap Between What Elected Democrats and Their Voters Believe

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And here I actually thought genocide means decreasing a population.

 

[USAF 2023]

Why is that Palestine's Problem? Or mine, for that matter?

The way the Jews carry on, you'd think they were the only ones killed in WWII.

You’re the one who said the Palestinians didn’t want them. You mean Hitler tried to do that with the Grand Mufri but his “ plan” fell through? Another lie

 

[Shusha]

Nope. They weren't a national minority, they were a religion within nations.

How do you define "national minority"?

 

[JoeB131]

How do you define "national minority"?

That's easy.

They spoke the indigenous language (German/Russian), were subject to their laws, etc.

 

[Shusha]

They spoke the indigenous language (German/Russian), were subject to their laws, etc.

Okay. So you seem to be saying that only "national minorities" have the right to self-determination. And you define "national minorities" as speaking the indigenous language, and subject to the larger Empire.. How would the Jewish people, then, not qualify as a national minority as part of the dissolved Ottoman Empire?

 

[JoeB131]

Okay. So you seem to be saying that only "national minorities" have the right to self-determination. And you define "national minorities" as speaking the indigenous language, and subject to the larger Empire.. How would the Jewish people, then, not qualify as a national minority as part of the dissolved Ottoman Empire?

Your sophistry is confusing your argument.

Czechs were a National identity. They spoke their own language, had their own culture.

Jews are not a national identity. They spoke German or Polish or Russian, depending where they lived.

They were never a majority in any area where they lived, that's the whole point. That's why no one could carve out a Jewish state in Europe.

But the Europeans thought they could colonize the Middle East for them.

 

[midcan5]

And the republicans are doing what exactly? This partisan finger pointing gets old fast. Wake up and acknowledge reality.

End Israel’s genocide against Palestinians in Gaza

Act now and call on Israel to immediately stop committing genocide against Palestinians in Gaza.

www.amnesty.org

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

And the republicans are doing what exactly? This partisan finger pointing gets old fast. Wake up and acknowledge reality.

End Israel’s genocide against Palestinians in Gaza

Act now and call on Israel to immediately stop committing genocide against Palestinians in Gaza.

www.amnesty.org

What genocide?

 

[Shusha]

Your sophistry is confusing your argument.

I'm not trying to make an argument, I'm trying to make sense of yours. Yours, of course, is so intent on denying human rights to Jews (those same rights you grant to everyone else) that it must erase Jewish culture in order to work.

Czechs were a National identity. They spoke their own language, had their own culture.

Jews are not a national identity. They spoke German or Polish or Russian, depending where they lived.

The Jewish people, of course, had an identity, including a national one. The Jewish people also had a nation in the past (which is rather definitive in terms of claiming a nation). The Jewish people had their own language, Hebrew, which was spoken daily, in addition to their adopted diaspora languages. They had a specific culture including holiday celebrations, rituals for life events, laws for daily living, special clothing and foods. If your requirements for "national identity" are a specific language and culture, the Jewish people pass with flying colors.

Shall we put the Arab Palestinians through the same test? The Arab Palestinians do not have a specific "own" language. They do not have a specific "own" culture.

I'm sure your next move is to deny that the Jewish people have a language, that Hebrew was dead. You will deny that the Jewish people have a culture, claiming it is simply a religion. You will jump through all sorts of hoops to deny and erase Jewish rights, while continuing to grant them to others.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

You can bet, that one day there will be people calling for to “Free Andalusia, free, free Andalusia”. And they will commit terror attacks and do the most gruesome things in the name of their “just cause”.

 

[Shusha]

You can bet, that one day there will be people calling for to “Free Andalusia, free, free Andalusia”. And they will commit terror attacks and do the most gruesome things in the name of their “just cause”.

It's already happening.

 

[JoeB131]

I'm not trying to make an argument, I'm trying to make sense of yours. Yours, of course, is so intent on denying human rights to Jews (those same rights you grant to everyone else) that it must erase Jewish culture in order to work.

Nope, you are just trying to confuse the issue by claiming that Europeans had a right to steal Palestinian Land.

The Jewish people, of course, had an identity, including a national one. The Jewish people also had a nation in the past (which is rather definitive in terms of claiming a nation). The Jewish people had their own language, Hebrew, which was spoken daily, in addition to their adopted diaspora languages. They had a specific culture including holiday celebrations, rituals for life events, laws for daily living, special clothing and foods. If your requirements for "national identity" are a specific language and culture, the Jewish people pass with flying colors.

Except that nation in the past was dispersed and ceased to be.

And given how many flavors of Judaism there are, you hardly have a single identity.

I'm sure your next move is to deny that the Jewish people have a language, that Hebrew was dead. You will deny that the Jewish people have a culture, claiming it is simply a religion. You will jump through all sorts of hoops to deny and erase Jewish rights, while continuing to grant them to others.

Hebrew was dead. Heck, even in Jesus' time, the predominant language of the area was Aramaic, not Hebrew.

It's not so much your "rights" but your sense of entitlement that gets you into trouble.

 

[Shusha]

Nope, you are just trying to confuse the issue by claiming that Europeans had a right to steal Palestinian Land.

Except that nation in the past was dispersed and ceased to be.

And given how many flavors of Judaism there are, you hardly have a single identity.

Hebrew was dead. Heck, even in Jesus' time, the predominant language of the area was Aramaic, not Hebrew.

It's not so much your "rights" but your sense of entitlement that gets you into trouble.

Hold up. The claim is that the right to self-determination is based on a national identity, which, in turn, is based on a unique language and culture. These are the parameters YOU set up. The Jewish people have a unique language and culture. They also once had a nation, and again have a nation, which only adds to the idea that they have a national identity. Why would the Jewish people not meet the criteria you have outlined?

 

[JoeB131]

Hold up. The claim is that the right to self-determination is based on a national identity, which, in turn, is based on a unique language and culture. These are the parameters YOU set up. The Jewish people have a unique language and culture

No, they didn't. They had to INVENT one nearly out of whole cloth.

Religion isn't race, and it isn't national identity.

 

[Shusha]

No, they didn't. They had to INVENT one nearly out of whole cloth.

If you dig up an inscribed stone from 3000 years ago, a 10-year-old Hebrew-speaking child can read it. You know that, right?

 

[Ringo]

 

[JoeB131]

If you dig up an inscribed stone from 3000 years ago, a 10-year-old Hebrew-speaking child can read it. You know that, right?

But his grandparents couldn't because they spoke Yiddish.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Perhaps it can be done if the Palestinians ever stop trying to destroy Israel.

 

[Shusha]

But his grandparents couldn't because they spoke Yiddish.

Your argument was that Hebrew was invented "whole cloth". It was not. The Jewish people always spoke and read and learned in Hebrew, in addition to their diaspora languages and the fusion languages that arose in the Diaspora.

You are trying to disconnect the Jewish people from the Jewish people, deliberately erasing their history and heritage. Erasing a people's heritage is a colonizing ideology.

 

[JoeB131]

Your argument was that Hebrew was invented "whole cloth". It was not. The Jewish people always spoke and read and learned in Hebrew, in addition to their diaspora languages and the fusion languages that arose in the Diaspora.

You are trying to disconnect the Jewish people from the Jewish people, deliberately erasing their history and heritage. Erasing a people's heritage is a colonizing ideology.

No, you all did that yourselves when you stopped speaking Hebrew and switched to Aramaic, then Greek, then whatever European Language you ended up speaking.

The fact that modern Hebrew had to invent words for things the Ancient Hebrews didn't have proves that.