Gaslighting only goes so far

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Donald Trump is certainly a mastermind at deception and gaslighting a large enough segment of Americans that his many ruses generally get more traction and wind up with more staying power than they ever should have. One can only argue against reality for so long though before even the densest and most clueless, die-hard Trump voter invariably has to notice that the version of reality being presented to them just isn't matching up with the reality of their lives.
Take the recent jobs report for instance. The numbers just weren't what Trump wanted to hear so he just "solved" the problem by firing the person presenting the data.
That may allow him to "look" better but it still doesn't solve the underlying problem that those poor job numbers reflect.
Tens of thousands of unemployed people across the country (including federal workers and contractors that DOGE fired) know they are unemployed no matter what new magical statistics Trump manufactures in the future and who he chooses to present them.
His gaslighting of the jobs numbers does not change anyone's situation one bit.
It is the same with inflation statistics and his tariffs.
Every Econ 101 student learns that tariff costs wind up just being passed onto consumers like an extra sales tax on the goods and services they purchase.
Trump has been told this by all the economists. Yet he gaslights us that somehow HIS tariffs will be an exception to the rules that govern all OTHER tariffs.
He doesn't know why or how, he just thinks he knows this. He gaslights further by continuing to assure us that "billions and billions of dollars are already pouring in" as a result of his tariffs.
But back here in the real world people still have to go shopping. They still have to open their wallets and purses and pay the person at the register and everytime they do it they can see that prices are going up...not coming down like Trump promised.
And the tariffs just took effect this week. The next set of inflation numbers...the post tariff numbers, are going to be grim.
Trump no doubt will gaslight us on that data as well. He might even go ahead and fire the people responsible for compiling those numbers too; but that's not going to lower prices any.
Eventually, many economists are predicting, Trump's economic malfeasance could lead our economy off a cliff straight into a 1929 style depression.
He'll no doubt attempt to gaslight his way out of accountability for that too. It's not like he can ever admit he's wrong about anything. He just spins...and lies...and spins more...and then lies more.
Recent polling though is indicating that all of Trump's gaslighting might be beginning to wear thin. People are beginning to realize that carnival barking and rhetoric isn't helping them pay their bills and/or find new jobs.
We very well may be reaching a tipping point where the vast majority of American voters, including many who previously voted for him, are starting to realize that Trump's empty gaslighting is not improving their lives at all.

A recent Fox survey showed just 44 percent of Americans support the President's handling of the economy, while a crushing 55 percent disapprove. Even more damaging, six out of 10 Americans point the finger directly at Trump for skyrocketing living costs, according to recent polling data.

 
:itsok: What, specifically is ironic about Trump's tariflation and his high unemployment numbers?
Read that reply you just posted; the one I just quoted.
Then, read my first post in this thread.
You can check your thread title too for reference.
Good luck.
 
Read that reply you just posted; the one I just quoted.
Then, read my first post in this thread.
You can check your thread title too for reference.
Good luck.
Yeah, I just did. It's clear you don't have anything intelligent to say about how voters are starting to feel about Trump destroying our economy while gaslighting us about making it "stronger."
So you just replied with nothing attached to a couple cartoons.
Pretty accurate right?
 
Yeah, I just did. It's clear you don't have anything intelligent to say about how voters are starting to feel about Trump destroying our economy while gaslighting us about making it "stronger."
So you just replied with nothing attached to a couple cartoons.
Pretty accurate right?
I knew you wouldn't get it.

Hint: "Tariflation" is GASLIGHT THEATRE BULLSHIT coming from YOU.
EVERYTHING from you demented avenger subverted demoralized Stalinist Marxist Leninist zombie ASSHOLES is GASLIGHT THEATRE.
ALL OF IT.
That's the IRONY of your OP.
Oh, and that avatar.
Ha ha
:auiqs.jpg:
 
Donald Trump is certainly a mastermind at deception and gaslighting a large enough segment of Americans that his many ruses generally get more traction and wind up with more staying power than they ever should have. One can only argue against reality for so long though before even the densest and most clueless, die-hard Trump voter invariably has to notice that the version of reality being presented to them just isn't matching up with the reality of their lives.
Take the recent jobs report for instance. The numbers just weren't what Trump wanted to hear so he just "solved" the problem by firing the person presenting the data.
That may allow him to "look" better but it still doesn't solve the underlying problem that those poor job numbers reflect.
Tens of thousands of unemployed people across the country (including federal workers and contractors that DOGE fired) know they are unemployed no matter what new magical statistics Trump manufactures in the future and who he chooses to present them.
His gaslighting of the jobs numbers does not change anyone's situation one bit.
It is the same with inflation statistics and his tariffs.
Every Econ 101 student learns that tariff costs wind up just being passed onto consumers like an extra sales tax on the goods and services they purchase.
Trump has been told this by all the economists. Yet he gaslights us that somehow HIS tariffs will be an exception to the rules that govern all OTHER tariffs.
He doesn't know why or how, he just thinks he knows this. He gaslights further by continuing to assure us that "billions and billions of dollars are already pouring in" as a result of his tariffs.
But back here in the real world people still have to go shopping. They still have to open their wallets and purses and pay the person at the register and everytime they do it they can see that prices are going up...not coming down like Trump promised.
And the tariffs just took effect this week. The next set of inflation numbers...the post tariff numbers, are going to be grim.
Trump no doubt will gaslight us on that data as well. He might even go ahead and fire the people responsible for compiling those numbers too; but that's not going to lower prices any.
Eventually, many economists are predicting, Trump's economic malfeasance could lead our economy off a cliff straight into a 1929 style depression.
He'll no doubt attempt to gaslight his way out of accountability for that too. It's not like he can ever admit he's wrong about anything. He just spins...and lies...and spins more...and then lies more.
Recent polling though is indicating that all of Trump's gaslighting might be beginning to wear thin. People are beginning to realize that carnival barking and rhetoric isn't helping them pay their bills and/or find new jobs.
We very well may be reaching a tipping point where the vast majority of American voters, including many who previously voted for him, are starting to realize that Trump's empty gaslighting is not improving their lives at all.

A recent Fox survey showed just 44 percent of Americans support the President's handling of the economy, while a crushing 55 percent disapprove. Even more damaging, six out of 10 Americans point the finger directly at Trump for skyrocketing living costs, according to recent polling data.

I hate to break this to you, Mike but I don't think you could find a person who cares less about polls than Donald Trump. He has his agenda. He's put a Cabinet in place to push that agenda forward and he'll let people be the judge of whether his policies were good or bad. I don't think I've ever seen a President less involved in "gas lighting" than Trump! The economists that you just touted as predicting that Trump's economic policies could lead our economy off a cliff are the same economists that predicted his tariffs would crush the economy by summer when he put them in place last January. How's that working so far?
 
I knew you wouldn't get it.

Hint: "Tariflation" is GASLIGHT THEATRE BULLSHIT coming from YOU.
EVERYTHING from you demented avenger subverted demoralized Stalinist Marxist Leninist zombie ASSHOLES is GASLIGHT THEATRE.
ALL OF IT.
That's the IRONY of your OP.
Oh, and that avatar.
Ha ha
:auiqs.jpg:
What is ironic is how you respond to a post about gaslighting....WITH gaslighting! :auiqs.jpg:
 
I hate to break this to you, Mike but I don't think you could find a person who cares less about polls than Donald Trump.
Now THIS is funny. Polls are like the very oxygen that Trump breathes.
Polls and popularity are like the ONLY thing he cares about.
He has his agenda.
Yes, but it's really not his. It's the Project 2025 agenda he lied during the campaign about knowing nothing about, and it looks like a large percentage of Americam voters wjo were ignorant enough to believe him are beginning to suffer buyer's remorse for falling for the con.
He's put a Cabinet in place to push that agenda forward and he'll let people be the judge of whether his policies were good or bad.
They are already offering judgement and the polling on it is not looking good for MAGAts.
I don't think I've ever seen a President less involved in "gas lighting" than Trump!
You are gaslighting right now.
The economists that you just touted as predicting that Trump's economic policies could lead our economy off a cliff are the same economists that predicted his tariffs would crush the economy by summer when he put them in place last January. How's that working so far?
I don't know if you've been hiding under a rock or something but Trump's tariffs just went into effect this month. In other words they've just begun. The clock has just started on those economic predictions.
Were you out of the country, maybe somewhere without internet...or news when Trump chickened out (TACO) last spring and extended his tariff deadline until August?
Check back with me on this in about a month and then I'll be curious to hear your thoughts on Trumpflation.
 
Now THIS is funny. Polls are like the very oxygen that Trump breathes.
Polls and popularity are like the ONLY thing he cares about.

Yes, but it's really not his. It's the Project 2025 agenda he lied during the campaign about knowing nothing about, and it looks like a large percentage of Americam voters wjo were ignorant enough to believe him are beginning to suffer buyer's remorse for falling for the con.

They are already offering judgement and the polling on it is not looking good for MAGAts.

You are gaslighting right now.

I don't know if you've been hiding under a rock or something but Trump's tariffs just went into effect this month. In other words they've just begun. The clock has just started on those economic predictions.
Were you out of the country, maybe somewhere without internet...or news when Trump chickened out (TACO) last spring and extended his tariff deadline until August?
Check back with me on this in about a month and then I'll be curious to hear your thoughts on Trumpflation.
Did you miss the whole part where the THREAT of tariffs were enough to get the trade deals that Trump was looking for, Mike? Oh, let me guess...they didn't talk about that on MSNBC? LOL
 
Donald Trump is certainly a mastermind at deception and gaslighting a large enough segment of Americans that his many ruses generally get more traction and wind up with more staying power than they ever should have. One can only argue against reality for so long though before even the densest and most clueless, die-hard Trump voter invariably has to notice that the version of reality being presented to them just isn't matching up with the reality of their lives.
Take the recent jobs report for instance. The numbers just weren't what Trump wanted to hear so he just "solved" the problem by firing the person presenting the data.
That may allow him to "look" better but it still doesn't solve the underlying problem that those poor job numbers reflect.
Tens of thousands of unemployed people across the country (including federal workers and contractors that DOGE fired) know they are unemployed no matter what new magical statistics Trump manufactures in the future and who he chooses to present them.
His gaslighting of the jobs numbers does not change anyone's situation one bit.
It is the same with inflation statistics and his tariffs.
Every Econ 101 student learns that tariff costs wind up just being passed onto consumers like an extra sales tax on the goods and services they purchase.
Trump has been told this by all the economists. Yet he gaslights us that somehow HIS tariffs will be an exception to the rules that govern all OTHER tariffs.
He doesn't know why or how, he just thinks he knows this. He gaslights further by continuing to assure us that "billions and billions of dollars are already pouring in" as a result of his tariffs.
But back here in the real world people still have to go shopping. They still have to open their wallets and purses and pay the person at the register and everytime they do it they can see that prices are going up...not coming down like Trump promised.
And the tariffs just took effect this week. The next set of inflation numbers...the post tariff numbers, are going to be grim.
Trump no doubt will gaslight us on that data as well. He might even go ahead and fire the people responsible for compiling those numbers too; but that's not going to lower prices any.
Eventually, many economists are predicting, Trump's economic malfeasance could lead our economy off a cliff straight into a 1929 style depression.
He'll no doubt attempt to gaslight his way out of accountability for that too. It's not like he can ever admit he's wrong about anything. He just spins...and lies...and spins more...and then lies more.
Recent polling though is indicating that all of Trump's gaslighting might be beginning to wear thin. People are beginning to realize that carnival barking and rhetoric isn't helping them pay their bills and/or find new jobs.
We very well may be reaching a tipping point where the vast majority of American voters, including many who previously voted for him, are starting to realize that Trump's empty gaslighting is not improving their lives at all.

A recent Fox survey showed just 44 percent of Americans support the President's handling of the economy, while a crushing 55 percent disapprove. Even more damaging, six out of 10 Americans point the finger directly at Trump for skyrocketing living costs, according to recent polling data.

Trump never fixed a problem in his life. He just exaggerates an issue then lies about how much better it is. Ta da. He just knows that a good portion of Americans are really stupid and cant figure it out or really dishonest and dont care.
 
Trump never fixed a problem in his life. He just exaggerates an issue then lies about how much better it is. Ta da. He just knows that a good portion of Americans are really stupid and cant figure it out or really dishonest and dont care.
Well, he is removing the Kennedy Center as a Progressive Socialist Communist temple.
 
Donald Trump is certainly a mastermind at deception and gaslighting a large enough segment of Americans that his many ruses generally get more traction and wind up with more staying power than they ever should have. One can only argue against reality for so long though before even the densest and most clueless, die-hard Trump voter invariably has to notice that the version of reality being presented to them just isn't matching up with the reality of their lives.
Take the recent jobs report for instance. The numbers just weren't what Trump wanted to hear so he just "solved" the problem by firing the person presenting the data.
That may allow him to "look" better but it still doesn't solve the underlying problem that those poor job numbers reflect.
Tens of thousands of unemployed people across the country (including federal workers and contractors that DOGE fired) know they are unemployed no matter what new magical statistics Trump manufactures in the future and who he chooses to present them.
His gaslighting of the jobs numbers does not change anyone's situation one bit.
It is the same with inflation statistics and his tariffs.
Every Econ 101 student learns that tariff costs wind up just being passed onto consumers like an extra sales tax on the goods and services they purchase.
Trump has been told this by all the economists. Yet he gaslights us that somehow HIS tariffs will be an exception to the rules that govern all OTHER tariffs.
He doesn't know why or how, he just thinks he knows this. He gaslights further by continuing to assure us that "billions and billions of dollars are already pouring in" as a result of his tariffs.
But back here in the real world people still have to go shopping. They still have to open their wallets and purses and pay the person at the register and everytime they do it they can see that prices are going up...not coming down like Trump promised.
And the tariffs just took effect this week. The next set of inflation numbers...the post tariff numbers, are going to be grim.
Trump no doubt will gaslight us on that data as well. He might even go ahead and fire the people responsible for compiling those numbers too; but that's not going to lower prices any.
Eventually, many economists are predicting, Trump's economic malfeasance could lead our economy off a cliff straight into a 1929 style depression.
He'll no doubt attempt to gaslight his way out of accountability for that too. It's not like he can ever admit he's wrong about anything. He just spins...and lies...and spins more...and then lies more.
Recent polling though is indicating that all of Trump's gaslighting might be beginning to wear thin. People are beginning to realize that carnival barking and rhetoric isn't helping them pay their bills and/or find new jobs.
We very well may be reaching a tipping point where the vast majority of American voters, including many who previously voted for him, are starting to realize that Trump's empty gaslighting is not improving their lives at all.

A recent Fox survey showed just 44 percent of Americans support the President's handling of the economy, while a crushing 55 percent disapprove. Even more damaging, six out of 10 Americans point the finger directly at Trump for skyrocketing living costs, according to recent polling data.

Leftwinger: "Taxes are good because they shrink the deficit"
Conservative: "Tariffs shrink the deficit"
Leftwinger: "Yeah, but they're bad because Trump is doing them."
 
What, specifically is ironic about Trump's tariflation and his high unemployment numbers?
Inflation was at 2.7% for the second month in a row. Please keep up. Biden was responsible for:

This record of inflation is accompanied by a record of a decline in real (or inflation-adjusted) wages. From January 2021 through January 2025, the Biden Administration saw a rise in wages of 19.9% and a rise in prices of 21.5%. Average hourly earnings adjusted for inflation actually declined by 1.3% during these four years.
 
Trump never fixed a problem in his life. He just exaggerates an issue then lies about how much better it is. Ta da. He just knows that a good portion of Americans are really stupid and cant figure it out or really dishonest and dont care.
He didn't secure the border, Gator? Really?
 
15th post
Inflation was at 2.7% for the second month in a row. Please keep up. Biden was responsible for:

This record of inflation is accompanied by a record of a decline in real (or inflation-adjusted) wages. From January 2021 through January 2025, the Biden Administration saw a rise in wages of 19.9% and a rise in prices of 21.5%. Average hourly earnings adjusted for inflation actually declined by 1.3% during these four years.
Whataboutism and gaslighting are not going to make Trump's tarriflation any easier to bear in the coming months.
 
Leftwinger: "Taxes are good because they shrink the deficit"
Conservative: "Tariffs shrink the deficit"
Leftwinger: "Yeah, but they're bad because Trump is doing them."
Did you have a relevant point here?
 

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