Zone1 Gandhi: “I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

[Woodznutz]

another example of a jelly bean education. The house of Israel (ie the descendants of
JACOB includes the house of Judah---Judah is the third son of Jacob and Jacob named
him ruler of ALL of his descendants---ie the House of Israel

That inclusion ended in the days of Jeroboam and Rehoboam.

 

[BackAgain]

You can attack his character but not the voracity of the quote.

I don’t even know what you mean by “voracity.” He seemed very skinny to my eye.

As to the claim he made, I do reject it.

As to Ghandi calling Herr Hitler a friend, his written words are more than sufficient:

Letter to Adolf Hitler, 1940​

WARDHA,

December 24, 1940

DEAR FRIEND,

That I address you as a friend is no formality. I own no foes. My business in life has been for the past 33 years to enlist the friendship of the whole of humanity by befriending mankind, irrespective of race, colour or creed. I hope you will have the time and desire to know how a good portion of humanity who have been living under the influence of that doctrine of universal friendship view your action. We have no doubt about your bravery or devotion to your fatherland, nor do we believe that you are the monster described by your opponents. But your own writings and pronouncements and those of your friends and admirers leave no room for doubt that many of your acts are monstrous and unbecoming of human dignity, especially in the estimation of men like me who believe in universal friendliness. Such are your humiliation of Czechoslovakia, the rape of Poland and the swallowing of Denmark. I am aware that your view of life regards such spoliations as virtuous acts. But we have been taught from childhood to regard them as acts degrading humanity. Hence we cannot possibly wish success to your arms. But ours is a unique position. We resist British Imperialism no less than Nazism. If there is a difference, it is in degree. One-fifth of the human race has been brought under the British heel by means that will not bear scrutiny. Our resistance to it does not mean harm to the British people. We seek to convert them, not to defeat them on the battle-field. Ours is an unarmed revolt against the British rule. But whether we convert them or not, we are determined to make their rule impossible by non-violent non-co-operation. It is a method in its nature indefensible. It is based on the knowledge that no spoliator can compass his end without a certain degree of co-operation, willing or compulsory, of the victim. Our rulers may have our land and bodies but not our souls. They can have the former only by complete destruction of every Indian-man, woman and child. That all may not rise to that degree of heroism and that a fair amount of frightfulness can bend the back of revolt is true but the argument would be beside the point. For, if a fair number of men and women be found in India who would be prepared without any ill will against the spoliators to lay down their lives rather than bend the knee to them, they would have shown the way to freedom from the tyranny of violence. I ask you to believe me when I say that you will find an unexpected number of such men and women in India. They have been having that training for the past 20 years. We have been trying for the past half a century to throw off the British rule. The movement of independence has been never so strong as now. The most powerful political organization, I mean the Indian National Congress, is trying to achieve this end. We have attained a very fair measure of success through nonviolent effort. We were groping for the right means to combat the most organized violence in the world which the British power represents. You have challenged it. It remains to be seen which is the better organized, the German or the British. We know what the British heel means for us and the non-European races of the world. But we would never wish to end the British rule with German aid. We have found in non-violence a force which, if organized, can without doubt match itself against a combination of all the most violent forces in the world. In nonviolent technique, as I have said, there is no such thing as defeat. It is all ‘do or die’ without killing or hurting. It can be used practically without money and obviously without the aid of science of destruction which you have brought to such perfection. It is a marvel to me that you do not see that it is nobody’s monopoly. If not the British, some other power will certainly improve upon your method and beat you with your own weapon. You are leaving no legacy to your people of which they would feel proud. They cannot take pride in a recital of cruel deed, however skilfully planned. I, therefore, appeal to you in the name of humanity to stop the war. You will lose nothing by referring all the matters of dispute between you and Great Britain to an international tribunal of your joint choice. If you attain success in the war, it will not prove that you were in the right. It will only prove that your power of destruction was greater. Whereas an award by an impartial tribunal will show as far as it is humanly possible which party was in the right. You know that not long ago I made an appeal to every Briton to accept my method of non-violent resistance. I did it because the British know me as a friend though a rebel. I am a stranger to you and your people. I have not the courage to make you the appeal I made to every Briton. Not that it would not apply to you with the same force as to the British. But my present proposal is much simple because much more practical and familiar. During this season when the hearts of the peoples of Europe yearn for peace, we have suspended even our own peaceful struggle. Is it too much to ask you to make an effort for peace during a time which may mean nothing to you personally but which must mean much to the millions of Europeans whose dumb cry for peace I hear, for my ears are attuned to hearing the dumb millions? I had intended to address a joint appeal to you and Signor Mussolini, whom I had the privilege of meeting when I was in Rome during my visit to England as a delegate to the Round Table Conference. I hope that he will take this as addressed to him also with the necessary changes.

I am,

Your sincere friend,

M.K. GANDHI

'Dear Friend': Read Gandhi's Letters to Hitler

Gandhi believed that it was possible to alert even those committed to authoritarian rule to the possibilities of non-violence

time.com

 

[irosie91]

I guess it's because he opposed Indians fighting for the Brit Commonwealth during WW-2.

Gandhi opposed providing any help to the British war effort and he campaigned against any Indian participation in World War II. The British government responded with the arrests of Gandhi and many other Congress leaders.

In contrast he actually recruited Indian combatants during WW-1....Duality of man?

He was confused on lots of issues----As one very patriotic Hindu once told me---if things
were left to Ghandhi --WE would all be sitting on the floor weaving cloth

 

[Woodznutz]

Sadly ----jelly-beaners have fun playing with semantics in an idiotic and superficial
manner typical of the Jelly bean

Judaism: The "jewification" of the religion of Israel.

 

[irosie91]

That inclusion ended in the days of Jeroboam and Rehoboam.

no it didn't-----did christianity END with Martin Luther and John Knox ?

 

[Woodznutz]

no it didn't-----did christianity END with Martin Luther and John Knox ?

Read about the division of Israel in your own bible. Like the Prego ad says, "It's in there".

 

[shockedcanadian]

I don’t even know what you mean by “voracity.” He seemed very skinny to my eye.

As to the claim he made, I do reject it.

As to Ghandi calling Herr Hitler a friend, his written words are more than sufficient:

Letter to Adolf Hitler, 1940​

WARDHA,

December 24, 1940

'Dear Friend': Read Gandhi's Letters to Hitler

Gandhi believed that it was possible to alert even those committed to authoritarian rule to the possibilities of non-violence

time.com

I fixed the word. I use both so I sometimes mix up the spelling.

 

[Woodznutz]

no it didn't-----did christianity END with Martin Luther and John Knox ?

Even the worship changed for both 'houses', and not for the better.

 

[1srelluc]

He was confused on lots of issues----As one very patriotic Hindu once told me---if things
were left to Ghandhi --WE would all be sitting on the floor weaving cloth

Yeah, I just chalk up his actions prior to WW-2 as a more youthful Gandhi's vim and vigor.

Oddly enough it's said that he said very little about the Japanese one way or the other, confining his remarks to pre-China invasion matters that he wished India would follow like education and industrialization.

He did get into a pissing contest with them in the 20s when he was trying to get Indians off Brit cloth and the japs tried filling the void with their own cloth....That was about it though.

 

[irosie91]

Read about the division of Israel in your own bible. Like the Prego ad says, "It's in there".

I am fully aware of it----there was a civil war SO???

 

[irosie91]

Even the worship changed for both 'houses', and not for the better.

yes----it changed---broke into dozens of christian sects and lots of them
murdered each other---and the hatred persists till today. I had childhood
playmates who were Eastern Orthodox----they DESPISED Catholics. As to
Israel vs Judea------no change no hatred

 

[Woodznutz]

Israel vs Judea------no change no hatred

Continue reading. Both fell into idolatry, and, went to war with each other.

Israel Battles the Jews Timeline

When did Israel go to war against the Jews? What happened during the battles? Which foreign powers were involved?

www.biblestudy.org

 

[irosie91]

Continue reading. Both fell into idolatry, and went to war with each other.

I have read it all. You should open a few books

 

[Woodznutz]

yes----it changed---broke into dozens of christian sects and lots of them
murdered each other---and the hatred persists till today. I had childhood
playmates who were Eastern Orthodox----they DESPISED Catholics. As to

To understand this you must understand the tribal and warlike nature of the Israelites, which continued into the Middle Ages in Europe.

 

[Woodznutz]

I have read it all.

But you don't believe what it says. Whyzat?

 

[pknopp]

of course the people who call themselves "christians" are nothing like the
person THEY call Jesus----that person, Yeshua---was a JEW

I call myself Christian. What sets me apart? (besides not being perfect)

 

[Care4all]

This quote always stuck with me and I never forgot it. Is this still relevant today? I would say possibly even moreso. we need to be honest with ourselves. Many Christians are more callous and vengeful than the average Atheist in 2023.

If you dwell in hate for others, you are likely not a true follower of Christ....or have fallen from Christ's ways....I think?

 

[pknopp]

He was confused on lots of issues----As one very patriotic Hindu once told me---if things
were left to Ghandhi --WE would all be sitting on the floor weaving cloth

Beats bombing people who never did a thing to us.

 

[BackAgain]

I fixed the word. I use both so I sometimes mix up the spelling.

I understand. Your occasional typos or incorrect word choice aren’t as monumental as some of my mistakes.

I was just kidding around.

 

[irosie91]

If you dwell in hate for others, you are likely not a true follower of Christ....or have fallen from Christ's ways....I think?

think again