Gallup Poll:Only 4 in 10 Americans Believe In Evolution

[fncceo]

That's exactly right.

It is kind of shocking how tiny and fragmentary some of the supposed breakthrough fossils are. Especially considering the fanfare that evolutionist propaganda gives them.

Actually, the mere existence of simpler extinct life forms in a later time period without more complex lifeforms of the same era is pretty strong evidence that life evolved from more simple forms.

My question for you though isn't whether or not you believe in evolution, which doesn't change anything. My question is why do you feel so motivated to rebuke it? It seems personal to you.

 

[fncceo]

It is fascinating that an anonymous poster with an obvious lack of science training posting on a message board can singlehandedly “destroy evolutionism”.

To be fair, these questions aren't original. They all come from creationist websites that are like cue cards for discussing the subject in a public forum.

The "Gotcha Questions" are designed to be used on people who don't know the subject matter well and can be easily fooled.

It's the same technique that all missionaries use.

 

[Dagosa]

Correct. Unfortunately, there is no way to prove or disprove what happened in the past. Evolution is not science, it is natural history. No experiment can be performed to disprove evolution, therefore it is not subject to experimental research.

I guess you were not paying attention in science classes when they explained what a “science theory” is. NOTHING is finally conclusive in science….or in the real world. The only thing conclusive is, you think you can “ prove” theories right or wrong. No wonder deniers are so confused. They‘re trying to ask questions about something they know so little about, and worse yet, they think they do. At least they should be humble.

 

[Dagosa]

Correct. Unfortunately, there is no way to prove or disprove what happened in the past. Evolution is not science, it is natural history. No experiment can be performed to disprove evolution, therefore it is not subject to experimental research.

Ok, what is that DNA evidence?

If you want to have a debate, telling me to go find web sites is a very poor debate technique. If you just want to troll, I guess that works for you.

It is clear at this point, that you haven't read these websites you speak of.

Again, look it up. I hope you’re not expecting to be educated for the years you might have missed in science classes. Youre really not interested in evidence from reliable sources and playing gotcha games. People who know shit tell others where to find the evidence too.

Debates are for people who live in the same world with the same evidence to begin with.

 

[Hollie]

To be fair, these questions aren't original. They all come from creationist websites that are like cue cards for discussing the subject in a public forum.

The "Gotcha Questions" are designed to be used on people who don't know the subject matter well and can be easily fooled.

It's the same technique that all missionaries use.

Well said. Agree completely.

 

[Dagosa]

So, you have literally nothing?

I have everything. You have nothing. If you found out you had prostate cancer, would you start doing research from “ my sources” along with your doctors, all of whom do….The same sources you avoid, deniers hypocritically use for all their healthcare, food and nutrient needs. You have no answer to that do you.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Actually, the mere existence of simpler extinct life forms in a later time period without more complex lifeforms of the same era is pretty strong evidence that life evolved from more simple forms.

I think you mean earlier time period?

That the more complex lifeforms evolved from the simpler life forms is a reasonable interpretation of the fossils. I wouldn't go so far as to say that it is strong evidence.

Keep in mind that even the "simpler" life forms are highly complex. More so than any machine designed by humans. Are humans more complex that t-Rex? Are fish more complex than trilobites?

My question for you though isn't whether or not you believe in evolution, which doesn't change anything. My question is why do you feel so motivated to rebuke it? It seems personal to you.

Funny, I was going to ask the same question of the Darwinists on here.

I don't care at all what people believe about how life came to be. I just don't like the idea of one particular idea of how life came to be becoming effectively the state religion. The USSC actually ruled that telling high school students to be open minded and think critically is not allowed when the topic is evolution.

If the poll described in the OP is accurate, forcing public schools to teach Darwinian evolution as fact, is a minority imposing its will on the majority, and forcing school children to lie in order to pass a class.

 

[Seymour Flops]

I have everything. You have nothing. If you found out you had prostate cancer, would you start doing research from “ my sources” along with your doctors, all of whom do….The same sources you avoid, deniers hypocritically use for all their healthcare, food and nutrient needs. You have no answer to that do you.

As a matter of fact, I do.

I did have esophageal cancer about six years ago (all gone now), and I certainly researched it. I don't remember seeing, in all of the material that I studied, a word about evolution. Nor did my doctor mention it. The idea that evolution theory somehow pervades all the biological sciences, and that they depend on evolutionary theory to understand how biology works in the present time, is just flat wrong.

 

[fncceo]

More so than any machine designed by humans.

To be fair, evolution has been creating species a lot longer than humans have been building machines. We're still pretty new to it.

 

[Dagosa]

That the more complex lifeforms evolved from the simpler life forms is a reasonable interpretation of the fossils. I wouldn't go so far as to say that it is strong evidence.

Again, at one time there were 9 species of the more complex life forms or humanoids. Now there are one.
We are closer to being extinct then surviving in that context. Evolution with natural selection includes extinction.

 

[fncceo]

I don't remember seeing, in all of the material that I studied, a word about evolution. Nor did my doctor mention it. The idea that evolution theory somehow pervades all the biological sciences

Given that evolution does its work over millions of years and cancer can metastasize in a matter of months, it's not realistic to hope that you will evolve a cancer cure in time to save a life.

When I get my car fixed, I don't discuss with the mechanic the history of metallurgy or chemistry, those things that went into making my car possible, we talk about what's wrong with my car right now.

As interesting as it might be to have those discussions, I am paying him by the hour and it's not germane to the problem of fixing my car.

 

[Dagosa]

As a matter of fact, I do.

I did have esophageal cancer about six years ago (all gone now), and I certainly researched it. I don't remember seeing, in all of the material that I studied, a word about evolution. Nor did my doctor mention it. The idea that evolution theory somehow pervades all the biological sciences, and that they depend on evolutionary theory to understand how biology works in the present time, is just flat wrong.

That’s funny. You actually think you were going to discus evolution when you were given options for a treatment that used genetics the mechanism of evolution, ALSO used in evolution. Of course not. You don’t have enough background to understand the linkage and doctors aren’t interested in your politics when your life is threatened . Funny, biology classes do. Treatments for cancer are all about genetics and extinction of cancerous cells. This is just one illustration of many linkages.

Alterations of cell cycle genes in cancer: unmasking the role of cancer stem cells - PubMed

The cell cycle is a complex and strictly controlled process, consisting of different phases. Cell cycle regulation depends on phase-specific transcriptions of cell cycle genes. The alterations of cell cycle genes can predispose normal cells to have a cancerous phenotype. Indeed, several...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Radiation Therapy for Cancer

Radiation therapy is a type of cancer treatment that uses high doses of radiation to kill cancer cells and shrink tumors. Learn about the types of radiation, why side effects happen, which ones you might have, and more.

www.cancer.gov

 

[Seymour Flops]

Given that evolution does its work over millions of years and cancer can metastasize in a matter of months, it's not realistic to hope that you will evolve a cancer cure in time to save a life.

When I get my car fixed, I don't discuss with the mechanic the history of metallurgy or chemistry, those things that went into making my car possible, we talk about what's wrong with my car right now.

As interesting as it might be to have those discussions, I am paying him by the hour and it's not germane to the problem of fixing my car.

That's exactly right.

And evolution is not germane to studying, for example, how mice are affected by an experimental cancer drug. So any claim that modern biological sciences rely on evolution or that those who do not fully drink the Darwinian Kool-aide should avoid medical care is absurd.

 

[Hollie]

I think you mean earlier time period?

That the more complex lifeforms evolved from the simpler life forms is a reasonable interpretation of the fossils. I wouldn't go so far as to say that it is strong evidence.

Keep in mind that even the "simpler" life forms are highly complex. More so than any machine designed by humans. Are humans more complex that t-Rex? Are fish more complex than trilobites?


Funny, I was going to ask the same question of the Darwinists on here.

I don't care at all what people believe about how life came to be. I just don't like the idea of one particular idea of how life came to be becoming effectively the state religion. The USSC actually ruled that telling high school students to be open minded and think critically is not allowed when the topic is evolution.

If the poll described in the OP is accurate, forcing public schools to teach Darwinian evolution as fact, is a minority imposing its will on the majority, and forcing school children to lie in order to pass a class.

You continue to be befuddled about Darwinian evolution. The theory does not address the origins of life.

You're arguing against what you don’t understand while making an argument that has no merit.

 

[Seymour Flops]

That’s funny. You actually think you were going to discus evolution when you were given options for a treatment that used genetics the mechanism of evolution, ALSO used in evolution. Of course not. You don’t have enough background to understand the linkage and doctors aren’t interested in your politics when your life is threatened . Funny, biology classes do. Treatments for cancer are all about genetics and extinction of cancerous cells.

Alterations of cell cycle genes in cancer: unmasking the role of cancer stem cells - PubMed

The cell cycle is a complex and strictly controlled process, consisting of different phases. Cell cycle regulation depends on phase-specific transcriptions of cell cycle genes. The alterations of cell cycle genes can predispose normal cells to have a cancerous phenotype. Indeed, several...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

See my answer to fnccneo above.

 

[fncceo]

And evolution is not germane to studying

Everything is germane to study. We call them Universities for a reason. But, when you're trying to drain the swamp, a study of the taxonomy of Alligatoridae isn't wise of prudent.

"To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven".

 

[Dagosa]

did have esophageal cancer about six years ago (all gone now), and I certainly researched it.

And you don’t trust the same institutions to provide evidence that reinforces evolution. Funny.

 

[fncceo]

Not to go Godwin -- even though it seems to be very fashionable right now ...

There was a certain European regime of the last century who used politics to decide which subjects were worthy of study and which were not. They used the same doctrine to decide which art, music, or literature was worthy and which was to be banned. It really didn't work out well for them.

Deutsche Physik - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Dagosa]

See my answer to fnccneo above.

And still filled with false assumptions. For one thing, factors involved with evolution are observed with every birth of every child, every time you buy food at a market or get treatment for cancer. You are altering the natural selection process with the short term changes in everyone’s DNA. There are deformities that happen with regularity that don’t survive because they are “victims” of natural selection.
Your DNA is altered by pollution which can have an affect on how you and all your ancestors evolve. It’s not just long term.

 

[Quasar44]

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