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I'm not the one exaggerating.
Here's some of it. I wish they'd do one on Moderna. And we know the J & J was less effective from the get go.It looks like the WSJ covered something like this but it's behind a paywall
Pfizer Covid-19 Vaccine Is Less Effective Against Delta Infections but Still Prevents Serious Illness, Israel Study Suggests
The study from Israel comes as governments around the world try to check the rampant spread of the variant.www.wsj.com
It IS protecting over 90% of them.The sad thing is--and I mean this--the vaccines were most supposed to PROTECT those who are older and with comorbidities. How can they not be considered at least ineffective when they're not protecting the people they were most needing to protect, and INJURING the people who really need them least? I'm talking about young men and heart issues, young women and blood clots, etc. And all this for no prevention on transmission and at best, reduced chances for acquiring the virus.
Yeah. Not a great vaccine.
Here's some of it. I wish they'd do one on Moderna. And we know the J & J was less effective from the get go.
TEL AVIV—Data from Israel suggests Pfizer Inc.’s vaccine has become less effective in preventing infection of Covid-19 in recent weeks, although it remains a robust bulwark against serious illness as governments around the world scramble to respond to the rampant spread of a new Delta variant of the coronavirus
The findings, which are preliminary and based on a small sample, suggest that after two shots the vaccine was 39% effective at reducing the risk of infection and 40% effective at reducing the risk of symptomatic disease during a period when the Delta variant dominated cases in Israel, according to the country’s Health Ministry. The vaccine was 91% effective at preventing severe illness in the same period between June 20 and July 17, the ministry said.
“It’s important to say that in terms of protecting against severe illness, hospitalization and death, the Pfizer vaccine is still very very efficient,” said Nadav Davidovitch, a member of the expert advisory panel to the Israeli government on the coronavirus. “We are still not sure about whether the reduction in effectiveness is due to time passed or [a] question of the variant.”
Mr. Davidovitch said the data was based on hundreds of cases and should only be considered preliminary.
I already explained why the number of breakthrough cases is going up.Nor am I. This is bearing out in the fact that you can see this in the real world. In anecdotes, and in data. Local news is reporting "breakthrough cases" and hospitalizations right and left. Look at the super spreader TX Dem airplane ride.
I am not saying the vaccine is bad for everyone. But I certainly DO NOT think universal vaccination with THESE vaccines is a great idea. At all.
I'd gladly leave you alone if you weren't spreading misinformation that is leading to people staying unvaccinated that could make them really sick.Right. So if you feel you need to be protected from severe disease, that is a PERSONAL decision. Like for the flu shot. I have no problem with any decision anyone makes, see. "My body, my choice"--right? Since these vaccines do not eliminate or even much reduce transmission, there is no need for the vitriolic and divisive nastiness all over the internet, including here, where I was told there's a special place in hell for me, and that my family will be glad I died--because I will not get a vaccine that is effective for mere months and does not even reduce transmission.
THAT needs to go. Do what you want. But leave me alone.
I'd gladly leave you alone if you weren't spreading misinformation that is leading to people staying unvaccinated that could make them really sick.
We do not know that the vaccine is only effective for a number of months, and we do know that it reduces transmission. We also know it reduces hospitalizations by a huge degree.
It's not a failure.
I haven't gotten personal with you so there's no reason for you to bellyache to me about mean people on the internet.
I apologize. I found one in English.And I linked you an article that says, yes we DO know the vaccines get less effective in a matter of months, which is exactly why Pfizer floated boosters beginning this spring. This is not new information
www.vox.com
Why do you link to a thread where candycorn destroyed you ?Link here. Many links in thread where this was said exactly. I believe The Atlantic cites that this was claimed on social media as well. I'm not saying the claim was valid, but the claim was widespread
CDC said 6207 deaths from Covid vax 6/30/21 in US
You didn't read it in the link you provided...the words "death" and "hospitalization" appear nowhere in what you cited. The CDC links are as follows: What you're reading in your link and either are too idiotic to understand or purposefully misinterpreting is that in some control groups...www.usmessageboard.com
Why do you link to a thread where candycorn destroyed you ?
She wants to be left alone now. I would suggest that it gets booted into conspiracy theories but the mods generally like all this crap.time for changing the thread title.
on the other hand, this idiocy has already entered anti-vaxxer lore.
OP is allegedly a teacher. LOL
Right TT, the one where she told me NO ONE had ever said the shot was "100% effective against hospitalizations and deaths" and I provided 3 links in about 5 minutes that proved her wrong
Yep
Ive never seen a claim that they were 100% effective. No vaccine maker would ever make such a claim. Their legal people would have a heart attack if they did so. 90-95% is generally the figures we were given.Right TT, the one where she told me NO ONE had ever said the shot was "100% effective against hospitalizations and deaths" and I provided 3 links in about 5 minutes that proved her wrong
Yep
Ive never seen a claim that they were 100% effective. No vaccine maker would ever make such a claim. Their legal people would have a heart attack if they did so. 90-95% is generally the figures we were given.
The infection and hospitalisation rates bear this out.
You started this thread in a hot frenzy thinking you had proof of this and were quickly found out. now you are covering you tracks by whining on that the vax isnt 100%. How can anyone take you seriously when you act like this ?
THEY misspeak often.The dude misspoke. Since this is what's happening in Israel and the UK, your own homeland, it's seems to jive. It was corrected in print media
That is not what the one, small study says. Do you even remember how not to lie? The vaccines are still effective, even in that study.
The hell your not.
That's all you do
Do you or do you not see evidence that the vaccines are much less effective than advertised?
The claims of 100% effective against hospitalization and death are legion. Candycorn tried to tell me "no one claimed that" the other day and I found about 3 sources in 5 minutes, including drs, The Atlantic, etc. I'm not arguing that the claim was CORRECT but the claim was ubiquitous
They have never promised us 100%, Sue. 2-5% will still get Covid, some of them may die, especially if they're older or have comorbidities. So with millions of vaccines, the numbers of that 2-5% is going to rise. IT IS STILL REALLY RARE. Take a look at the article I linked. It explains it.
