"Free Palestine

[Phoenall]

The provision was made in the Mandate for Palestine when the LoN created trans Jordan as the arab muslims national home. This left the arab muslims and Christians with many options, from staying where they were as full citizens of the Jewish national home ( some took this option and are now living in Israel as full citizens ). They could relocate to trans Jordan and receive a small bounty to help them move and set up home, or they could relocate to any of the other nations created under the LoN Mandate system, again with a small bounty to assist in the move and to set up home. The last option was to take up arms and start a war because they followed the teachings of their religion. The last option is the one chosen by the majority of the arab muslims, and if the LoN knew then what we know now they would have torn up the various mandates and placed garrisons inside those nations to put down any terrorism and violence. Removing the Mandate principles and taking full control of the land as they could under International law at that time.

As you say the illegal arab muslim migrants do not have any rights, but the legally invited Jews do.

The provision was made in the Mandate for Palestine when the LoN created trans Jordan as the arab muslims national home.​

How about providing a link to that.

Mandate for palestine

Nice duck. Where dies it say what you said?

How is it a duck I have given you the link many times so it should be easy enough to find. The mandate for Palestine contains the details so why don't you look.

Because your link does not say what you said.

PROOF ? ? ? ? ?

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

If this is all you found to place an objection with, we must be close to an agreement.

In point of fact, other than Article 2(4) of the UN Charter, there is not one single international law that supports specifically “unilateral secessions.”

This does not apply to the Palestinians at all. This only applies to groups of people wanting to break away from a state.

(REFERENCE)

While that is the more narrow view of "secession," the real meaning is much broader: Secession (derived from the Latin term secessio) is the act of withdrawing from an organization, union, military alliance or especially a political entity. Threats of secession can also be a strategy for achieving more limited goals.

(COMMENT)

I tend to think that the three principles the Palestinians have latched onto (outside the use of force) are much to do about nothing, in terms of applicability:

• The right to self determination without external interference.
• The right to independence and sovereignty.
• The right to territorial integrity.

The reason that the Arab Palestinians are subject to occupation and security containment is because they pose a threat to Israel:

• The Arab Palestinians have denied Israel the "territorial integrity" through assault, terrorism and conventional rocket fire. Israel is a member of the UN and entitled to defend itself.
• The Arab Palestinian will never recognize the validity of the partition plan adopted by the General Assembly; and consider that any attempt by the Jewish people to establish a Jewish state in Arab territory (the territory to which the British Mandate formerly applied) as an act of aggression. The further denies the right to self determination as an applicable concept. And it denies the State of Israel the right to independence and sovereignty.
• The Arab Palestinian sees Palestine as Arab Territory from the river to the sea, and from north to south, is a land of the Palestinian people and its homeland and its legitimate right, and do not recognize the legitimacy of "Israel" in any part of Palestine. This nullifies the right to territorial integrity.

If these principles do not apply to Israel, formed pursuant to the Steps Preparatory to Independence as established by the General Assembly, then they cannot be either inalienable or universal.

Excerpts from the Churchill White Paper of 1922:

• Further, it is contemplated that the status of all citizens of Palestine in the eyes of the law shall be Palestinian, and it has never been intended that they, or any section of them, should possess any other juridical status. So far as the Jewish population of Palestine are concerned it appears that some among them are apprehensive that His Majesty's Government may depart from the policy embodied in the Declaration of 1917. It is necessary, therefore, once more to affirm that these fears are unfounded, and that that Declaration, re affirmed by the Conference of the Principle Allied Powers at San Remo and again in the Treaty of Sevres, is not susceptible of change.

• That is the reason why it is necessary that the existence of a Jewish National Home in Palestine should be internationally guaranteed, and that it should be formally recognized to rest upon ancient historic connection.

---
There is no reasonable expectation that the Arab Palestinian, given a relaxed security environment, will not rearm and reinitiate an insurgency and terrorist campaign against Israel.

Most Respectfully,
R

The Arab Palestinians have denied Israel the "territorial integrity" through assault, terrorism and conventional rocket fire. Israel is a member of the UN and entitled to defend itself.​

You always crack me up with this one. Where is Israel's legitimate territory?

 

[P F Tinmore]

The provision was made in the Mandate for Palestine when the LoN created trans Jordan as the arab muslims national home.​

How about providing a link to that.

Mandate for palestine

Nice duck. Where dies it say what you said?

How is it a duck I have given you the link many times so it should be easy enough to find. The mandate for Palestine contains the details so why don't you look.

Because your link does not say what you said.

PROOF ? ? ? ? ?

That's all I ask. Quote the passage that says what you say.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

If this is all you found to place an objection with, we must be close to an agreement.

In point of fact, other than Article 2(4) of the UN Charter, there is not one single international law that supports specifically “unilateral secessions.”

This does not apply to the Palestinians at all. This only applies to groups of people wanting to break away from a state.

(REFERENCE)

While that is the more narrow view of "secession," the real meaning is much broader: Secession (derived from the Latin term secessio) is the act of withdrawing from an organization, union, military alliance or especially a political entity. Threats of secession can also be a strategy for achieving more limited goals.

(COMMENT)

I tend to think that the three principles the Palestinians have latched onto (outside the use of force) are much to do about nothing, in terms of applicability:

• The right to self determination without external interference.
• The right to independence and sovereignty.
• The right to territorial integrity.

The reason that the Arab Palestinians are subject to occupation and security containment is because they pose a threat to Israel:

• The Arab Palestinians have denied Israel the "territorial integrity" through assault, terrorism and conventional rocket fire. Israel is a member of the UN and entitled to defend itself.
• The Arab Palestinian will never recognize the validity of the partition plan adopted by the General Assembly; and consider that any attempt by the Jewish people to establish a Jewish state in Arab territory (the territory to which the British Mandate formerly applied) as an act of aggression. The further denies the right to self determination as an applicable concept. And it denies the State of Israel the right to independence and sovereignty.
• The Arab Palestinian sees Palestine as Arab Territory from the river to the sea, and from north to south, is a land of the Palestinian people and its homeland and its legitimate right, and do not recognize the legitimacy of "Israel" in any part of Palestine. This nullifies the right to territorial integrity.

If these principles do not apply to Israel, formed pursuant to the Steps Preparatory to Independence as established by the General Assembly, then they cannot be either inalienable or universal.

Excerpts from the Churchill White Paper of 1922:

• Further, it is contemplated that the status of all citizens of Palestine in the eyes of the law shall be Palestinian, and it has never been intended that they, or any section of them, should possess any other juridical status. So far as the Jewish population of Palestine are concerned it appears that some among them are apprehensive that His Majesty's Government may depart from the policy embodied in the Declaration of 1917. It is necessary, therefore, once more to affirm that these fears are unfounded, and that that Declaration, re affirmed by the Conference of the Principle Allied Powers at San Remo and again in the Treaty of Sevres, is not susceptible of change.

• That is the reason why it is necessary that the existence of a Jewish National Home in Palestine should be internationally guaranteed, and that it should be formally recognized to rest upon ancient historic connection.

---
There is no reasonable expectation that the Arab Palestinian, given a relaxed security environment, will not rearm and reinitiate an insurgency and terrorist campaign against Israel.

Most Respectfully,
R

The Arab Palestinians have denied Israel the "territorial integrity" through assault, terrorism and conventional rocket fire. Israel is a member of the UN and entitled to defend itself.​

You always crack me up with this one. Where is Israel's legitimate territory?

I have given the link from the Mandate for Palestine already


Delineating the final geographical area of Palestine designated for the Jewish National Home on September 16, 1922, as described by the Mandatory:

PALESTINE


INTRODUCTORY.


POSITION, ETC.


Palestine lies on the western edge of the continent of Asia between Latitude 30º N. and 33º N., Longitude 34º 30’ E. and 35º 30’ E.

On the North it is bounded by the French Mandated Territories of Syria and Lebanon, on the East by Syria and Trans-Jordan, on the South-west by the Egyptian province of Sinai, on the South-east by the Gulf of Aqaba and on the West by the Mediterranean. The frontier with Syria was laid down by the Anglo-French Convention of the 23rd December, 1920, and its delimitation was ratified in 1923. Briefly stated, the boundaries are as follows: -

North. – From Ras en Naqura on the Mediterranean eastwards to a point west of Qadas, thence in a northerly direction to Metulla, thence east to a point west of Banias.

East. – From Banias in a southerly direction east of Lake Hula to Jisr Banat Ya’pub, thence along a line east of the Jordan and the Lake of Tiberias and on to El Hamme station on the Samakh-Deraa railway line, thence along the centre of the river Yarmuq to its confluence with the Jordan, thence along the centres of the Jordan, the Dead Sea and the Wadi Araba to a point on the Gulf of Aqaba two miles west of the town of Aqaba, thence along the shore of the Gulf of Aqaba to Ras Jaba.

South. – From Ras Jaba in a generally north-westerly direction to the junction of the Neki-Aqaba and Gaza-Aqaba Roads, thence to a point west-north-west of Ain Maghara and thence to a point on the Mediterranean coast north-west of Rafa.

West. – The Mediterranean Sea.

 

[Phoenall]

Mandate for palestine

Nice duck. Where dies it say what you said?

How is it a duck I have given you the link many times so it should be easy enough to find. The mandate for Palestine contains the details so why don't you look.

Because your link does not say what you said.

PROOF ? ? ? ? ?

That's all I ask. Quote the passage that says what you say.

How many more times will you play this stupid game, I have given you the link now read it.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

If this is all you found to place an objection with, we must be close to an agreement.

In point of fact, other than Article 2(4) of the UN Charter, there is not one single international law that supports specifically “unilateral secessions.”

This does not apply to the Palestinians at all. This only applies to groups of people wanting to break away from a state.

(REFERENCE)

While that is the more narrow view of "secession," the real meaning is much broader: Secession (derived from the Latin term secessio) is the act of withdrawing from an organization, union, military alliance or especially a political entity. Threats of secession can also be a strategy for achieving more limited goals.

(COMMENT)

I tend to think that the three principles the Palestinians have latched onto (outside the use of force) are much to do about nothing, in terms of applicability:

• The right to self determination without external interference.
• The right to independence and sovereignty.
• The right to territorial integrity.

The reason that the Arab Palestinians are subject to occupation and security containment is because they pose a threat to Israel:

• The Arab Palestinians have denied Israel the "territorial integrity" through assault, terrorism and conventional rocket fire. Israel is a member of the UN and entitled to defend itself.
• The Arab Palestinian will never recognize the validity of the partition plan adopted by the General Assembly; and consider that any attempt by the Jewish people to establish a Jewish state in Arab territory (the territory to which the British Mandate formerly applied) as an act of aggression. The further denies the right to self determination as an applicable concept. And it denies the State of Israel the right to independence and sovereignty.
• The Arab Palestinian sees Palestine as Arab Territory from the river to the sea, and from north to south, is a land of the Palestinian people and its homeland and its legitimate right, and do not recognize the legitimacy of "Israel" in any part of Palestine. This nullifies the right to territorial integrity.

If these principles do not apply to Israel, formed pursuant to the Steps Preparatory to Independence as established by the General Assembly, then they cannot be either inalienable or universal.

Excerpts from the Churchill White Paper of 1922:

• Further, it is contemplated that the status of all citizens of Palestine in the eyes of the law shall be Palestinian, and it has never been intended that they, or any section of them, should possess any other juridical status. So far as the Jewish population of Palestine are concerned it appears that some among them are apprehensive that His Majesty's Government may depart from the policy embodied in the Declaration of 1917. It is necessary, therefore, once more to affirm that these fears are unfounded, and that that Declaration, re affirmed by the Conference of the Principle Allied Powers at San Remo and again in the Treaty of Sevres, is not susceptible of change.

• That is the reason why it is necessary that the existence of a Jewish National Home in Palestine should be internationally guaranteed, and that it should be formally recognized to rest upon ancient historic connection.

---
There is no reasonable expectation that the Arab Palestinian, given a relaxed security environment, will not rearm and reinitiate an insurgency and terrorist campaign against Israel.

Most Respectfully,
R

If these principles do not apply to Israel, formed pursuant to the Steps Preparatory to Independence as established by the General Assembly, then they cannot be either inalienable or universal.​

Resolution 181 was a non binding recommendation. It has nothing to do with the creation of Israel.

 

[Coyote]

Otranto is in Italy, not Spain. That's what threw me, but that's all you can expect from Phoney, he makes it up as he goes along.

There are "bone" churches all over Europe if you look, just that there are many in Spain from the Islamic period using the bones of martyred |Christians and Jews.

There are many? Really? Can you provide some links? I never heard of them before so had to look them up and while there are a number throughout Europe, there was only one that held bones of those from an Islamic conflict and it was Catholics. You might want to remember that THEY did not like Jews either then. I seriously doubt they would include Jewish bones. Their attitude was more likely "good riddance".

Lets see if I can make this easy enough for you to understand.

1) 5000 people hacked to death in Spain by the muslims

2) dismembered bodies thrown in a pit all jumbled up

3) nothing to distinguish the bones religion ( no dna testing and no religion written on the bones )

4) so the Christians who build the churches cant say Jew throw them back in the hole.

5) see how stupid I have just made you look, and how you slipped in some Jew hatred and Anti Semitism.

How exactly is it anti-semitism to point out that the Catholics did not like Jews? They certainly didn't treat them well but if you call that "liking" then whatever floats your boat dude.

The Jew hatred was in your snide comment about them not including Jewish bones without thinking about how you would say that these bones are Jewish.

It's not snide at all. It's pointing out what a dumbass you being when you can't even get your facts or countries straight because you are so eager to accuse others of being "Jew haters"

Bone churches: 9 of the Strangest Bone Churches of Europe BootsnAll

Most were not the result of conflicts but ossuaries that built up over time as graves were emptied and refilled.

The church you were talking about, that you couldn't even get in the right country is Otranto: This Church Houses A Bloody History With The Bones Of A Massacre Decorating The Walls

813 Christian resisters of the Ottoman invasion were beheaded there in the 15th century.


From the article:

Bone churches by and large tend to be structures into which piles of bones have been placed. The Capela dos Ossos in the Church of St. Francis in Evora, Portugal, on the other hand, seems to be made of bones. The very walls of the chapel have bones in them, with cement holding everything together. Even the pillars supporting the ceiling have skulls running up and down them.

Built in the 16th century, the Capela dos Ossos (or Chapel of Bones) was built with the goal of pointing out how short life is. The poem at the chapel’s entrance emphasizes this, as it reads in part, “Where are you going in such a hurry, traveler? Pause … You have no greater concern than this one. … Recall how many have passed from this world, reflect on your similar end. Our bones that are here await yours
​

Jews flourished fairly well under the Ottoman's (compared with Christian Europe at the time)...and given the attitudes towards Jews in Christian Europe - it's pretty hard to believe they'd number among the martyrs in Oranto's bone church.

I can't find any other examples of bone churches that were compiled as a result of conflicts with Muslims.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Nice duck. Where dies it say what you said?

How is it a duck I have given you the link many times so it should be easy enough to find. The mandate for Palestine contains the details so why don't you look.

Because your link does not say what you said.

PROOF ? ? ? ? ?

That's all I ask. Quote the passage that says what you say.

How many more times will you play this stupid game, I have given you the link now read it.

As long as you keep ducking.

 

[Humanity]

Or try Andalucía the Islamic name for Spain

Just a minor point Phoney but the Islamic name, Al-Andalus covered the Iberian peninsula and a bit of France for a short while, NOT just Spain.

 

[Coyote]

There are many? Really? Can you provide some links? I never heard of them before so had to look them up and while there are a number throughout Europe, there was only one that held bones of those from an Islamic conflict and it was Catholics. You might want to remember that THEY did not like Jews either then. I seriously doubt they would include Jewish bones. Their attitude was more likely "good riddance".

Lets see if I can make this easy enough for you to understand.

1) 5000 people hacked to death in Spain by the muslims

2) dismembered bodies thrown in a pit all jumbled up

3) nothing to distinguish the bones religion ( no dna testing and no religion written on the bones )

4) so the Christians who build the churches cant say Jew throw them back in the hole.

5) see how stupid I have just made you look, and how you slipped in some Jew hatred and Anti Semitism.

So how do YOU know there were any Jewish people present?

Documentary evidence of the massacres by surviving Jews and Christians, are you that stupid that you think there were no proofs at the time of the massacres. Much like the mass graves being found in Iraq and Nigeria at the moment that are found to contain mixed up bodies.

Please provide evidence then, that Jewish bones were included in those bone churches. Frankly - you didn't even get the country right, what makes this claim any more credible? Only one church - when I googled it - had bones from an Islamic conflict.

So Spain was not ruled by the muslims now, according to you.

Huh??? How on earth did you come up with that?

And the muslims did not massacre many Christians and Jews in Spain according to you.

Where did I say that?

And that they did their usual practice of throwing the dismembered bodies into mass graves, according to you.

Really...according to me?

Dude - we were talking about a frigging bone church and now you've suddenly exploded all over the place.

Have you got it yet according to you the muslims did nothing, according to you the muslims are still doing nothing, according to you Jews were not killed at the same time as Christians.

Have you got it yet that you've exploded all over the place into stuff we never even discussed?

According to you the Jews do not have the right to a national home, according to you the arab muslims should be given Israel on a plate.

Really now....where did I say that Phoenall?

Now try looking for bone churches and see how many there are in reality, then look for muslim massacres in Spain. Or try Andalucía the Islamic name for Spain

I did. Maybe it's time you do it and try to substantiate your claims.

 

[Coyote]

Muslims, please grow a pair and "end the occupation" yourselves. Stop whining to any tom, dick, and harry at the UN to come and liberate your precious Palestinians. History attests that the Arabs originally conquered Palestine from the Byzantines, so what right have you to piss and moan about the Zionists doing the same to you 1300 years later?

Because we're (I hope) a bit more civilized now. That is debatable however.

 

[Coyote]

Jewish National Home​

What does that mean?

Same thing as the arab national home, Syrian national home, Iraqi national home and American national home. The homeland of the people who live there. The arab muslims had been given 5 national homes taking up 99.9% of Palestine as agreed with the British prior to WW1.

Syran and Iraqi's are different peoples...actually collections of different peoples. That would be like saying we should give put Germans, Italians and British into one and call it "Eurpean national home".

Did I say any different, or is it your Jew hatred coming out again. No as they are distinct nationalities, so have their own national homes ( nations/states/countries). But arabs see themselves as one nationality as proven by the 1948 war of independence when 5 arab countries came together under arab nationalism and invaded Israel.

What Jew hatred? You have yet to post a link. I've repeatedly said I support Israel's right to exist. Get over yourself. Your claim states that "arab muslims" yada yada and you then you talk about an arab national home and a blah blah blah - totally contradicting yourself. Rights and nations aren't measured by how many each religion "gets".

Yet demonise and deride them at every opportunity, making claims based on islamonazi sources about the alleged atrocities committed.

Really? How about providing a link to this alleged "demonising" and "deriding" of Jews?

Then bully other posters who give a differing POV and try and belittle them until the rest of team Palestine joins in and supports your false claims.

Oh right, so asking for a link to support your claims is not "bullying" and "belittling"?

Don't forget countries are not necessarily nations, as the same nationality can live in more than 1 country. Just look at the French who spread across into Spain and Belgium. The British are spread across England, Wales, Ireland and Scotland. Not every nation is a federation like the US, or how Russia was until it split into separate nations

Of course.

 

[RoshanNair]

Muslims, please grow a pair and "end the occupation" yourselves. Stop whining to any tom, dick, and harry at the UN to come and liberate your precious Palestinians. History attests that the Arabs originally conquered Palestine from the Byzantines, so what right have you to piss and moan about the Zionists doing the same to you 1300 years later?

Because we're (I hope) a bit more civilized now. That is debatable however.

That is precisely the problem. Modern "civilization" has emasculated us. Israel conquers Palestine and rather than rallying to fight and liberate themselves from under Israel, as was the norm throughout history against any "occupying" power, the Palestinians have resorted to whining and liberals around the world have conveniently enabled them to continue.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I not even sure this is a legitimate question.

The Arab Palestinians have denied Israel the "territorial integrity" through assault, terrorism and conventional rocket fire. Israel is a member of the UN and entitled to defend itself.

You always crack me up with this one. Where is Israel's legitimate territory?

(REFERENCE)

Post #70 - No Palestinian State
Post $46 - No Palestinian State

(COMMENT)

Relative to Israel are identified in the treaties in the REFERENCE Postings. There are no real borders with respect to Israel and Palestine, as the Palestinians have not negotiated any boundaries. The closest simulated boundary are the Armistice demarcation lines.

Thus, it is the State of Palestine that has no boundaries.

Israel has boundaries by treaty.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[aris2chat]

There are "bone" churches all over Europe if you look, just that there are many in Spain from the Islamic period using the bones of martyred |Christians and Jews.

There are many? Really? Can you provide some links? I never heard of them before so had to look them up and while there are a number throughout Europe, there was only one that held bones of those from an Islamic conflict and it was Catholics. You might want to remember that THEY did not like Jews either then. I seriously doubt they would include Jewish bones. Their attitude was more likely "good riddance".

Lets see if I can make this easy enough for you to understand.

1) 5000 people hacked to death in Spain by the muslims

2) dismembered bodies thrown in a pit all jumbled up

3) nothing to distinguish the bones religion ( no dna testing and no religion written on the bones )

4) so the Christians who build the churches cant say Jew throw them back in the hole.

5) see how stupid I have just made you look, and how you slipped in some Jew hatred and Anti Semitism.

How exactly is it anti-semitism to point out that the Catholics did not like Jews? They certainly didn't treat them well but if you call that "liking" then whatever floats your boat dude.

The Jew hatred was in your snide comment about them not including Jewish bones without thinking about how you would say that these bones are Jewish.

It's not snide at all. It's pointing out what a dumbass you being when you can't even get your facts or countries straight because you are so eager to accuse others of being "Jew haters"

Bone churches: 9 of the Strangest Bone Churches of Europe BootsnAll

Most were not the result of conflicts but ossuaries that built up over time as graves were emptied and refilled.

The church you were talking about, that you couldn't even get in the right country is Otranto: This Church Houses A Bloody History With The Bones Of A Massacre Decorating The Walls

813 Christian resisters of the Ottoman invasion were beheaded there in the 15th century.


From the article:

Bone churches by and large tend to be structures into which piles of bones have been placed. The Capela dos Ossos in the Church of St. Francis in Evora, Portugal, on the other hand, seems to be made of bones. The very walls of the chapel have bones in them, with cement holding everything together. Even the pillars supporting the ceiling have skulls running up and down them.

Built in the 16th century, the Capela dos Ossos (or Chapel of Bones) was built with the goal of pointing out how short life is. The poem at the chapel’s entrance emphasizes this, as it reads in part, “Where are you going in such a hurry, traveler? Pause … You have no greater concern than this one. … Recall how many have passed from this world, reflect on your similar end. Our bones that are here await yours
​

Jews flourished fairly well under the Ottoman's (compared with Christian Europe at the time)...and given the attitudes towards Jews in Christian Europe - it's pretty hard to believe they'd number among the martyrs in Oranto's bone church.

I can't find any other examples of bone churches that were compiled as a result of conflicts with Muslims.

Aleppo has organs incorporated into the mosque wall

 

[Coyote]

Muslims, please grow a pair and "end the occupation" yourselves. Stop whining to any tom, dick, and harry at the UN to come and liberate your precious Palestinians. History attests that the Arabs originally conquered Palestine from the Byzantines, so what right have you to piss and moan about the Zionists doing the same to you 1300 years later?

Because we're (I hope) a bit more civilized now. That is debatable however.

That is precisely the problem. Modern "civilization" has emasculated us. Israel conquers Palestine and rather than rallying to fight and liberate themselves from under Israel, as was the norm throughout history against any "occupying" power, the Palestinians have resorted to whining and liberals around the world have conveniently enabled them to continue.

Given past penchants for genocide, mass-buriels, torture, execution without trial, discrimmination, etc....na...I don't

There are many? Really? Can you provide some links? I never heard of them before so had to look them up and while there are a number throughout Europe, there was only one that held bones of those from an Islamic conflict and it was Catholics. You might want to remember that THEY did not like Jews either then. I seriously doubt they would include Jewish bones. Their attitude was more likely "good riddance".

Lets see if I can make this easy enough for you to understand.

1) 5000 people hacked to death in Spain by the muslims

2) dismembered bodies thrown in a pit all jumbled up

3) nothing to distinguish the bones religion ( no dna testing and no religion written on the bones )

4) so the Christians who build the churches cant say Jew throw them back in the hole.

5) see how stupid I have just made you look, and how you slipped in some Jew hatred and Anti Semitism.

How exactly is it anti-semitism to point out that the Catholics did not like Jews? They certainly didn't treat them well but if you call that "liking" then whatever floats your boat dude.

The Jew hatred was in your snide comment about them not including Jewish bones without thinking about how you would say that these bones are Jewish.

It's not snide at all. It's pointing out what a dumbass you being when you can't even get your facts or countries straight because you are so eager to accuse others of being "Jew haters"

Bone churches: 9 of the Strangest Bone Churches of Europe BootsnAll

Most were not the result of conflicts but ossuaries that built up over time as graves were emptied and refilled.

The church you were talking about, that you couldn't even get in the right country is Otranto: This Church Houses A Bloody History With The Bones Of A Massacre Decorating The Walls

813 Christian resisters of the Ottoman invasion were beheaded there in the 15th century.


From the article:

Bone churches by and large tend to be structures into which piles of bones have been placed. The Capela dos Ossos in the Church of St. Francis in Evora, Portugal, on the other hand, seems to be made of bones. The very walls of the chapel have bones in them, with cement holding everything together. Even the pillars supporting the ceiling have skulls running up and down them.

Built in the 16th century, the Capela dos Ossos (or Chapel of Bones) was built with the goal of pointing out how short life is. The poem at the chapel’s entrance emphasizes this, as it reads in part, “Where are you going in such a hurry, traveler? Pause … You have no greater concern than this one. … Recall how many have passed from this world, reflect on your similar end. Our bones that are here await yours
​

Jews flourished fairly well under the Ottoman's (compared with Christian Europe at the time)...and given the attitudes towards Jews in Christian Europe - it's pretty hard to believe they'd number among the martyrs in Oranto's bone church.

I can't find any other examples of bone churches that were compiled as a result of conflicts with Muslims.

Aleppo has organs incorporated into the mosque wall

I'm not sure I needed to know that.....

 

[RoshanNair]

Muslims, please grow a pair and "end the occupation" yourselves. Stop whining to any tom, dick, and harry at the UN to come and liberate your precious Palestinians. History attests that the Arabs originally conquered Palestine from the Byzantines, so what right have you to piss and moan about the Zionists doing the same to you 1300 years later?

Because we're (I hope) a bit more civilized now. That is debatable however.

That is precisely the problem. Modern "civilization" has emasculated us. Israel conquers Palestine and rather than rallying to fight and liberate themselves from under Israel, as was the norm throughout history against any "occupying" power, the Palestinians have resorted to whining and liberals around the world have conveniently enabled them to continue.

Given past penchants for genocide, mass-buriels, torture, execution without trial, discrimmination, etc....na...I don't

Lets see if I can make this easy enough for you to understand.

1) 5000 people hacked to death in Spain by the muslims

2) dismembered bodies thrown in a pit all jumbled up

3) nothing to distinguish the bones religion ( no dna testing and no religion written on the bones )

4) so the Christians who build the churches cant say Jew throw them back in the hole.

5) see how stupid I have just made you look, and how you slipped in some Jew hatred and Anti Semitism.

How exactly is it anti-semitism to point out that the Catholics did not like Jews? They certainly didn't treat them well but if you call that "liking" then whatever floats your boat dude.

The Jew hatred was in your snide comment about them not including Jewish bones without thinking about how you would say that these bones are Jewish.

It's not snide at all. It's pointing out what a dumbass you being when you can't even get your facts or countries straight because you are so eager to accuse others of being "Jew haters"

Bone churches: 9 of the Strangest Bone Churches of Europe BootsnAll

Most were not the result of conflicts but ossuaries that built up over time as graves were emptied and refilled.

The church you were talking about, that you couldn't even get in the right country is Otranto: This Church Houses A Bloody History With The Bones Of A Massacre Decorating The Walls

813 Christian resisters of the Ottoman invasion were beheaded there in the 15th century.


From the article:

Bone churches by and large tend to be structures into which piles of bones have been placed. The Capela dos Ossos in the Church of St. Francis in Evora, Portugal, on the other hand, seems to be made of bones. The very walls of the chapel have bones in them, with cement holding everything together. Even the pillars supporting the ceiling have skulls running up and down them.

Built in the 16th century, the Capela dos Ossos (or Chapel of Bones) was built with the goal of pointing out how short life is. The poem at the chapel’s entrance emphasizes this, as it reads in part, “Where are you going in such a hurry, traveler? Pause … You have no greater concern than this one. … Recall how many have passed from this world, reflect on your similar end. Our bones that are here await yours
​

Jews flourished fairly well under the Ottoman's (compared with Christian Europe at the time)...and given the attitudes towards Jews in Christian Europe - it's pretty hard to believe they'd number among the martyrs in Oranto's bone church.

I can't find any other examples of bone churches that were compiled as a result of conflicts with Muslims.

Aleppo has organs incorporated into the mosque wall

I'm not sure I needed to know that.....

Those atrocities are obscene and should be condemned in the strongest terms. But combat and warfare are norms of human organization and society. Why should the Palestinians be cast out and treated like the special needs child when there is nothing "special" about their plight at all?

 

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There are many? Really? Can you provide some links? I never heard of them before so had to look them up and while there are a number throughout Europe, there was only one that held bones of those from an Islamic conflict and it was Catholics. You might want to remember that THEY did not like Jews either then. I seriously doubt they would include Jewish bones. Their attitude was more likely "good riddance".

Lets see if I can make this easy enough for you to understand.

1) 5000 people hacked to death in Spain by the muslims

2) dismembered bodies thrown in a pit all jumbled up

3) nothing to distinguish the bones religion ( no dna testing and no religion written on the bones )

4) so the Christians who build the churches cant say Jew throw them back in the hole.

5) see how stupid I have just made you look, and how you slipped in some Jew hatred and Anti Semitism.

How exactly is it anti-semitism to point out that the Catholics did not like Jews? They certainly didn't treat them well but if you call that "liking" then whatever floats your boat dude.

The Jew hatred was in your snide comment about them not including Jewish bones without thinking about how you would say that these bones are Jewish.

It's not snide at all. It's pointing out what a dumbass you being when you can't even get your facts or countries straight because you are so eager to accuse others of being "Jew haters"

Bone churches: 9 of the Strangest Bone Churches of Europe BootsnAll

Most were not the result of conflicts but ossuaries that built up over time as graves were emptied and refilled.

The church you were talking about, that you couldn't even get in the right country is Otranto: This Church Houses A Bloody History With The Bones Of A Massacre Decorating The Walls

813 Christian resisters of the Ottoman invasion were beheaded there in the 15th century.


From the article:

Bone churches by and large tend to be structures into which piles of bones have been placed. The Capela dos Ossos in the Church of St. Francis in Evora, Portugal, on the other hand, seems to be made of bones. The very walls of the chapel have bones in them, with cement holding everything together. Even the pillars supporting the ceiling have skulls running up and down them.

Built in the 16th century, the Capela dos Ossos (or Chapel of Bones) was built with the goal of pointing out how short life is. The poem at the chapel’s entrance emphasizes this, as it reads in part, “Where are you going in such a hurry, traveler? Pause … You have no greater concern than this one. … Recall how many have passed from this world, reflect on your similar end. Our bones that are here await yours
​

Jews flourished fairly well under the Ottoman's (compared with Christian Europe at the time)...and given the attitudes towards Jews in Christian Europe - it's pretty hard to believe they'd number among the martyrs in Oranto's bone church.

I can't find any other examples of bone churches that were compiled as a result of conflicts with Muslims.

Aleppo has organs incorporated into the mosque wall

In Idris there is a mosque with a tomb in the wall. Both are supposed to be forbidden in Islam. No grave, no shrine in or under a mosque.

Iran many of the mosques are shrines with tombs or mausoleum. Bodies are supposed to be shrouded and buried in the ground.

 

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Maybe free Palestine is cheaper than free beer?

 

[Coyote]

Lets see if I can make this easy enough for you to understand.

1) 5000 people hacked to death in Spain by the muslims

2) dismembered bodies thrown in a pit all jumbled up

3) nothing to distinguish the bones religion ( no dna testing and no religion written on the bones )

4) so the Christians who build the churches cant say Jew throw them back in the hole.

5) see how stupid I have just made you look, and how you slipped in some Jew hatred and Anti Semitism.

How exactly is it anti-semitism to point out that the Catholics did not like Jews? They certainly didn't treat them well but if you call that "liking" then whatever floats your boat dude.

The Jew hatred was in your snide comment about them not including Jewish bones without thinking about how you would say that these bones are Jewish.

It's not snide at all. It's pointing out what a dumbass you being when you can't even get your facts or countries straight because you are so eager to accuse others of being "Jew haters"

Bone churches: 9 of the Strangest Bone Churches of Europe BootsnAll

Most were not the result of conflicts but ossuaries that built up over time as graves were emptied and refilled.

The church you were talking about, that you couldn't even get in the right country is Otranto: This Church Houses A Bloody History With The Bones Of A Massacre Decorating The Walls

813 Christian resisters of the Ottoman invasion were beheaded there in the 15th century.


From the article:

Bone churches by and large tend to be structures into which piles of bones have been placed. The Capela dos Ossos in the Church of St. Francis in Evora, Portugal, on the other hand, seems to be made of bones. The very walls of the chapel have bones in them, with cement holding everything together. Even the pillars supporting the ceiling have skulls running up and down them.

Built in the 16th century, the Capela dos Ossos (or Chapel of Bones) was built with the goal of pointing out how short life is. The poem at the chapel’s entrance emphasizes this, as it reads in part, “Where are you going in such a hurry, traveler? Pause … You have no greater concern than this one. … Recall how many have passed from this world, reflect on your similar end. Our bones that are here await yours
​

Jews flourished fairly well under the Ottoman's (compared with Christian Europe at the time)...and given the attitudes towards Jews in Christian Europe - it's pretty hard to believe they'd number among the martyrs in Oranto's bone church.

I can't find any other examples of bone churches that were compiled as a result of conflicts with Muslims.

Aleppo has organs incorporated into the mosque wall

In Idris there is a mosque with a tomb in the wall. Both are supposed to be forbidden in Islam. No grave, no shrine in or under a mosque.

Iran many of the mosques are shrines with tombs or mausoleum. Bodies are supposed to be shrouded and buried in the ground.

I did not know that either - interesting and thanks for posting it. It was interesting reading about bone churches - totally new to me!