Frankly, it's completely overwhelming.

[berg80]

How about this for a stunning plot twist. Garland decides he can not avoid indicting Trump for multiple crimes based on the overwhelming evidence of his guilt. Trump is convicted on the charge of obstructing an official proceeding (so is John Eastman, Trump's co-conspirator), possibly on other charges as well.
In order to spare the country the indignity of a former prez serving jail time...........wait for it........................Biden pardons Trump.

 

[berg80]

There was no evidence in either impeachment . Actually there was no crime to supply any evidence. You’re being played again by your masters dumb ass.

As we know from.........



........an actual crime doesn't have to be committed to warrant the impeachment of a prez.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

How about this for a stunning plot twist. Garland decides he can not avoid indicting Trump for multiple crimes based on the overwhelming evidence of his guilt. Trump is convicted on the charge of obstructing an official proceeding (so is John Eastman, Trump's co-conspirator), possibly on other charges as well.
In order to spare the country the indignity of a former prez serving jail time...........wait for it........................Biden pardons Trump.

That's precisely What would happen.

 

[skye]

Frankly, it's completely overwhelming.-​

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

As we know from.........



........an actual crime doesn't have to be committed to warrant the impeachment of a prez.

You do understand One Eye Willie lied to a grand jury right?

 

[easyt65]

How about this for a stunning plot twist. Garland decides he can not avoid indicting Trump for multiple crimes based on the overwhelming evidence of his guilt. Trump is convicted on the charge of obstructing an official proceeding (so is John Eastman, Trump's co-conspirator), possibly on other charges as well.
In order to spare the country the indignity of a former prez serving jail time...........wait for it........................Biden pardons Trump.

Cool story brau...

Just like during the Impeachments, though, Democrats just proved again there are still no crimes, no witnesses, and no evidence.

 

[Mac1958]

You still think you know Kavanaugh is a raging alcoholic who led rape trains in college.

 

[bripat9643]

You guys seem to want and ignore the illegal activity.

What illegal activity?

 

[berg80]

You do understand One Eye Willie lied to a grand jury right?

The point Graham was making remains. A prez doesn't have to break the law to merit impeachment.

 

[berg80]

What illegal activity?

https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Trump-on-Trial.pdf

You can add witness tampering and issuing illegal orders relative to the "mags" since that list was compiled.

 

[bripat9643]

https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Trump-on-Trial.pdf

You can add witness tampering and issuing illegal orders relative to the "mags" since that list was compiled.

What "witness tampering?"

I'm not reading your shit pile of propaganda.

 

[Peach45]

After hearing yesterday's testimony, how does one even begin to process all of what was said? It was teased as being a potential bombshell. It was closer to carpet bombing.

There were some things we knew about that Hutchinson provided more detail and color for. Like the timing of his tweet accusing Pence of not having the courage to help with the coup coming minutes after Trump was told the mob was chanting "hang Mike Pence." It was a mind boggling disregard for Pence's safety.

There were some things we didn't know, like this.

Trump knew there were weapons in the crowd, wanted to get rid of metal detectors before siccing crowd on Congress​

Trump not only knew about weapons in the crowd on Jan. 6, but actually seemed to embrace that fact, Hutchinson testified. She focused on Trump’s rage upon learning that the immediate crowd area around the stage at the White House Ellipse — the part that was surrounded by metal detectors — was not full because people in the crowd had weapons and could not go through the magnetometers with them.

Backstage at the rally, Hutchinson said she overheard Trump say something to the effect of, “I don’t effing care that they have weapons. They’re not here to hurt me. Take the effing mags away. Let my people in, they can march to the Capitol from here. Let the people in, take the effing mags away.”

The Craziest Moments Of Cassidy Hutchinson’s Account Of Jan. 6

Her testimony laid out a shocking pattern of both knowledge by Trump and others that the Jan. 6 rallies would grow violent, and a willingness to let that happen and even encourage it.

talkingpointsmemo.com

I thought I had become immune to being shocked by the Orange Menace. That still shocked me. I was reminded of all the times he boasted about the size of his rally crowds. And of course who can forget Don forcing Sean Spicer to go to the WH podium and lie about the size of the inaugural crowd? Clearly, this was much worse. It would be enough to keep Faux having an apoplectic fit for years. All the other far right wing outlets would similarly be in meltdown mode. The story would infinitely reverberate around the right wing sound chamber. With Trump, it's just one of many outrages. Too many to count. Too many to elicit the appropriate amount of indignity or attention. He has once again flooded the zone with atrocity just as he did for his entire presidency.

Yet in the leakiest administration and federal government of all time….none of that stuff leaked for 2 years

 

[jc456]

How about this for a stunning plot twist. Garland decides he can not avoid indicting Trump for multiple crimes based on the overwhelming evidence of his guilt. Trump is convicted on the charge of obstructing an official proceeding (so is John Eastman, Trump's co-conspirator), possibly on other charges as well.
In order to spare the country the indignity of a former prez serving jail time...........wait for it........................Biden pardons Trump.

good, let's see the indictments.

 

[berg80]

What "witness tampering?"

I'm not reading your shit pile of propaganda.

A. 18 USC § 371: Conspiracy to Defraud the United States

The record of publicly disclosed facts shows that former President Donald Trump and members of his circle—including, at a minimum, outside attorney John Eastman—attempted to interfere with Congress’ electoral count on January 6, 2021. Among other things: They pressed Vice President Mike Pence to groundlessly reject electoral certificates from key states, attempting to deny Joe Biden the electoral college majority that he legitimately won in a fair and secure election. In the alternative, they wanted Pence to delay the electoral count. It furthermore appears that, in coercing leadership to baselessly declare the 2020 election to be tainted by fraud, in direct and unreasonable contravention of authoritative accounts, Trump and those around him—including, at a minimum, DOJ lawyer Jeffrey Clark—planned to interfere with the DOJ’s responsibility to investigate election offenses fairly and evenhandedly. There is substantial evidence supporting the conclusion that those schemes amount to one or more violations of 18 U.S.C. § 371, although any final determination must of course await the completion of the Committee’s hearing and report, and the decision of the DOJ. § 371 creates an offense “f two or more persons conspire either to commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy.

 

[berg80]

1. Conspiracy

“The essence” of a conspiracy “is an agreement to commit an unlawful act.”220 To be convicted, a defendant must know “the scheme’s criminal purpose and specifically intend[] to further that objective.”221 The defendant need only know “the essential nature of the plan”—the core wrong to be committed—not every detail.222 And agreement “need not be shown to have been explicit. It can instead be inferred from the facts and circumstances of the case.”223 Tacit agreement, inferred from “concert of action” in furtherance of shared objectives, can be enough.224 Here, we believe there is strong evidence that Trump and Eastman and Trump and Clark, agreed— tacitly or explicitly—on the end goals of obstructing the electoral count and interfering with the DOJ’s election enforcement work. The evidence also suggests an agreement between Trump and Meadows, and we look forward to learning more starting with the Committee hearings. a. Trump and Eastman The evidence shows that Trump and Eastman agreed, tacitly or explicitly, to work in concert towards the common goal of obstructing the congressional count on January 6, 2021.225 Eastman is the author of two memoranda that lay out a scheme of highly dubious legality for overturning the election.226 Both call for Vice President Pence to “determine[] on his own” which of the states’ electoral certificates “is valid, asserting that the authority to make that determination under the 12th Amendment, and the Adams and Jefferson precedents, is his alone.”

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

The point Graham was making remains. A prez doesn't have to break the law to merit impeachment.

Yes Dementia Riddled Slurring *Joe should be impeached he’s clearly unfit for office.

 

[bripat9643]

A. 18 USC § 371: Conspiracy to Defraud the United States

The record of publicly disclosed facts shows that former President Donald Trump and members of his circle—including, at a minimum, outside attorney John Eastman—attempted to interfere with Congress’ electoral count on January 6, 2021. Among other things: They pressed Vice President Mike Pence to groundlessly reject electoral certificates from key states, attempting to deny Joe Biden the electoral college majority that he legitimately won in a fair and secure election. In the alternative, they wanted Pence to delay the electoral count. It furthermore appears that, in coercing leadership to baselessly declare the 2020 election to be tainted by fraud, in direct and unreasonable contravention of authoritative accounts, Trump and those around him—including, at a minimum, DOJ lawyer Jeffrey Clark—planned to interfere with the DOJ’s responsibility to investigate election offenses fairly and evenhandedly. There is substantial evidence supporting the conclusion that those schemes amount to one or more violations of 18 U.S.C. § 371, although any final determination must of course await the completion of the Committee’s hearing and report, and the decision of the DOJ. § 371 creates an offense “f two or more persons conspire either to commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy.

I didn't ask you "what is witness tampering." I asked you to identify the witness tampering that you claim occurred, you fucking moron.

 

[jc456]

I didn't ask you "what is witness tampering." I asked you to identify the witness tampering that you claim occurred, you fucking moron.

dude, his brain exploded when you asked him.

 

[berg80]

It was just an ordinary day in the hearing room. We learned Trump has been referred to the DoJ for possible witness tampering, that Trump wanted the Capital riot to look spontaneous......but it was planned, there was a full on conflagration between Team Crazy/Coup and Team Enablers on Dec. 18 over whether the enablers had the balls to join Team Crazy/Coup, and following that conflict Trump tweeted the infamous "be there, going to be wild" on 1/6 tweet, focusing the right wing extremists attention on that date as the last ditch effort to accomplish the steal.

It's absolutely overwhelming. The evidence of obscene, heinous acts keeps piling up. So many they are hard to keep track of.

 

[lennypartiv]

Can't blame you for taking the cynical approach given the Trump crime family has thus far escaped justice. The cautionary tale of cult members infiltrating the jury reminds me of how Repub senators ignored the evidence in Trump's impeachments, with the exception of a few in #2. Still, it would be a dereliction of his oath of office if Garland didn't file charges. We are a country of laws or we are the country Trump wants us to become.

But you think Hillary should get away with her crimes.