Franklin Roosevelts views of Nazi Germany 1933 through 1938

Most of the spending came from France and the UK. The UK expended its entire gold reserve buying equipment from the USA.

Except France was out of the war by 1940... The UK had to be LOANED money to keep fighting the war. (Including being leased 50 obsolete US Destroyers.)

Look, man, here's a reality. The US has never gotten out of a Recession or a Depression without a massive influx of government spending. It just doesn't happen.

After the fall of Holland, the DEI was spending money like water trying to prepare a defense force against the Japanese who it knew was coming. It bought over a hundred Buffalos,

You realize the Buffalo was pretty much obsolete by 1940 and the US was selling them off as surplus, right? This was not a game changer for the economy.
 
The DEI defense force expanded from about twenty thousand to eighty thousand between 1940 and 1941 with plans to triple that, but ran out of time before the invasion. It only had about fifteen thousand trained troops by December 7th, 1941. Given what it had to use, the DEI fought hard.

Nope, it was actually kind of pathetic, and compared to other colonies in the region, The Japanese had a cakewalk in Indonesia. (It had been completely taken over by March 7th, 1942, compared to the Philippines, where resistance continued until May of 1942.)
 
Except France was out of the war by 1940... The UK had to be LOANED money to keep fighting the war. (Including being leased 50 obsolete US Destroyers.)

Look, man, here's a reality. The US has never gotten out of a Recession or a Depression without a massive influx of government spending. It just doesn't happen.



You realize the Buffalo was pretty much obsolete by 1940 and the US was selling them off as surplus, right? This was not a game changer for the economy.
You really need to read up on history. France and the UK started ordering and paying for American weapons right after Munich. The Destroyer deal had nothing to do with loans or Lend-Lease, they were part of a straight ships for bases swap to give the RN extra escorts and the US bases to patrol the Caribbean. in 1940 the Buffalo was the most modern fighter in the USN inventory, it had entered squadron service on 8 December 1939. It was actually more modern than either the Spitfire or Hurricane which entered squadron service on 4 August 1983 and 15 June 1938 respectively. The Buffalo had a three bladed metal constant speed prop when the Hurricane and Spitfire were using two bladed wooden fixed pitch props.
 
Nope, it was actually kind of pathetic, and compared to other colonies in the region, The Japanese had a cakewalk in Indonesia. (It had been completely taken over by March 7th, 1942, compared to the Philippines, where resistance continued until May of 1942.)
Again you need to read up on history. The only reason "resistance" lasted until May of 1942 was the Japanese besieged the Americans in the Bataan Peninsula and Corregidor Island. The Americans and Philippinos were totally defeated by 6 January 1942 when the last US troops retreated into Bataan. The Dutch troops in the East Indies were outnumbered over two to one if you count the untrained newly recruited native troops or fifteen to one if you only count the trained troops available. They had no tanks, the Japanese had 193, the Japanese had total control of the air and seas. Given that, the Dutch colonial troops gave a really good account of themselves, far better than the more numerous, better trained and armed US and Philippino forces did on Luzon.
The only other colonial troops the Japanese fought were the British and Aussies in Malaysia which really was a cakewalk despite the Commonwealth forces actually outnumbering the Japanese.
 
You really need to read up on history. France and the UK started ordering and paying for American weapons right after Munich. The Destroyer deal had nothing to do with loans or Lend-Lease, they were part of a straight ships for bases swap to give the RN extra escorts and the US bases to patrol the Caribbean. in 1940 the Buffalo was the most modern fighter in the USN inventory, it had entered squadron service on 8 December 1939. It was actually more modern than either the Spitfire or Hurricane which entered squadron service on 4 August 1983 and 15 June 1938 respectively. The Buffalo had a three bladed metal constant speed prop when the Hurricane and Spitfire were using two bladed wooden fixed pitch props.

I've got a degree in history, buddy.

Before we get off on too many tangents, your claim is that WW2 brought us out of the recession, even before we got into it, when in fact, it really didn't. FDR had to bring the country kicking and screaming to provide what little support we did for the UK before Pearl Harbor. Same with the minimal assistance we gave Peanut in China.

The Buffalo was a shit fighter.

Although superior to the Grumman F3F biplane it replaced, and the early F4Fs,[2] the Buffalo was largely obsolete when the United States entered the war, being unstable and overweight, especially when compared to the Japanese Mitsubishi A6M Zero.

Even in late 1940 it was apparent that the Buffalo was rapidly becoming obsolete.[N 2] It badly needed a more powerful engine and an enlarged wing (to offset the increased weight), but the limits of the airframe had been reached, making installation of a larger engine impossible. Soon after deliveries of the F2A-3 began, the Navy decided to eliminate the type altogether.
 
Again you need to read up on history. The only reason "resistance" lasted until May of 1942 was the Japanese besieged the Americans in the Bataan Peninsula and Corregidor Island. The Americans and Philippinos were totally defeated by 6 January 1942 when the last US troops retreated into Bataan. The Dutch troops in the East Indies were outnumbered over two to one if you count the untrained newly recruited native troops or fifteen to one if you only count the trained troops available. They had no tanks, the Japanese had 193, the Japanese had total control of the air and seas. Given that, the Dutch colonial troops gave a really good account of themselves, far better than the more numerous, better trained and armed US and Philippino forces did on Luzon.
The only other colonial troops the Japanese fought were the British and Aussies in Malaysia which really was a cakewalk despite the Commonwealth forces actually outnumbering the Japanese.

Nice dissing of American and Filipino Troops there... but the fact is, they fought for far longer than the Dutch did.

The Dutch had some delusion that they'd be allowed to keep running the show in Indonesia like the French were allowed to keep running the show in Indochina. Imagine their surprise when the Japanese sent them all off to prison camps for the duration and put Indonesians in charge.
 
I've got a degree in history, buddy.

Before we get off on too many tangents, your claim is that WW2 brought us out of the recession, even before we got into it, when in fact, it really didn't. FDR had to bring the country kicking and screaming to provide what little support we did for the UK before Pearl Harbor. Same with the minimal assistance we gave Peanut in China.

The Buffalo was a shit fighter.

Although superior to the Grumman F3F biplane it replaced, and the early F4Fs,[2] the Buffalo was largely obsolete when the United States entered the war, being unstable and overweight, especially when compared to the Japanese Mitsubishi A6M Zero.

Even in late 1940 it was apparent that the Buffalo was rapidly becoming obsolete.[N 2] It badly needed a more powerful engine and an enlarged wing (to offset the increased weight), but the limits of the airframe had been reached, making installation of a larger engine impossible. Soon after deliveries of the F2A-3 began, the Navy decided to eliminate the type altogether.
The Buffalo wasn't "a shit fighter" it did poorly against the Zero, Nate and Oscar, but so did the Spitfire Hurricane, P-40 and P-36 and you can't call any of them "shit aircraft". It performed well against the Me-109s and I16s it faced over Finland. The Buffalo was underpowered once the Navy added about a ton of self-sealing fuel tanks, pilot armor and flotation devices and a life raft. Once the Finns in the Winter War against I-16s and Me-109s in the Continuation War dumped all the extra weight the Buffalo did well. Once RAAF dumped all the extra weight, the Buffalo did better against the Nates it faced over Malaysia being competitive in everything except climb rate.

Brewster compounded the problems with poor management and quality control. If the Wildcat hadn't been available as a replacement the Buffalo could have been fixed, but that wasn't necessary, and the Navy was already souring about Brewster.
 
I've got a degree in history, buddy.

Before we get off on too many tangents, your claim is that WW2 brought us out of the recession, even before we got into it, when in fact, it really didn't. FDR had to bring the country kicking and screaming to provide what little support we did for the UK before Pearl Harbor. Same with the minimal assistance we gave Peanut in China.

The Buffalo was a shit fighter.

Although superior to the Grumman F3F biplane it replaced, and the early F4Fs,[2] the Buffalo was largely obsolete when the United States entered the war, being unstable and overweight, especially when compared to the Japanese Mitsubishi A6M Zero.

Even in late 1940 it was apparent that the Buffalo was rapidly becoming obsolete.[N 2] It badly needed a more powerful engine and an enlarged wing (to offset the increased weight), but the limits of the airframe had been reached, making installation of a larger engine impossible. Soon after deliveries of the F2A-3 began, the Navy decided to eliminate the type altogether.
Every reputable historian and economist claim FDR had nothing to do with the end of the Great Depression and that it was ended by the onset of WWII. Your degree is worthless as shown by all your insane positions taken on these boards in opposition to historical and contemporary facts. You have a proven track record of ignoring any evidence or facts that disagree with your preconceptions which are almost always wrong.
 
Nice dissing of American and Filipino Troops there... but the fact is, they fought for far longer than the Dutch did.

The Dutch had some delusion that they'd be allowed to keep running the show in Indonesia like the French were allowed to keep running the show in Indochina. Imagine their surprise when the Japanese sent them all off to prison camps for the duration and put Indonesians in charge.
The Dutch never had that idea. Indochina was Vichy French and since Vichy and Germany were allied with Japan the colonial administrators did have that idea.
 
You are a good candidate to read truth done by outstanding author Amity Shlaes.

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Paleoconservative Preaching

I've already heard all the sweat-shopping parasites' self-serving propaganda. Their own birth-class's saboteurs took over the formerly Democratic Party and made it look like the New Deal was retroactively just as wasteful and ineffective as the Preppy Progressives' raw deal. Big Business is as economically destructive as Big Government. Quit trying to revive the dead Old Right just because the fake New Left pretends to be its only alternative.
 
The DEI defense force expanded from about twenty thousand to eighty thousand between 1940 and 1941 with plans to triple that, but ran out of time before the invasion. It only had about fifteen thousand trained troops by December 7th, 1941. Given what it had to use, the DEI fought hard.
The Dutch? Not Much!
 
Most of the spending came from France and the UK. The UK expended its entire gold reserve buying equipment from the USA.
After the fall of Holland, the DEI was spending money like water trying to prepare a defense force against the Japanese who it knew was coming. It bought over a hundred Buffalos, twenty four CW-21 Demons, six hundred twenty eight miscellaneous Martin Harrington tanks few of which arrived in time. Twenty four P-36s, one hundred fifty Martin 139s (export model B-10s), along with several hundred trainers, liaison aircraft and multi-engine transports. The DEI army bought small arms from the USA including a thousand Thompson and over a thousand M-1941 Johnson rifles.
I like how you research JoeB131's propaganda.
 
The Buffalo wasn't "a shit fighter" it did poorly against the Zero, Nate and Oscar, but so did the Spitfire Hurricane, P-40 and P-36 and you can't call any of them "shit aircraft". It performed well against the Me-109s and I16s it faced over Finland. The Buffalo was underpowered once the Navy added about a ton of self-sealing fuel tanks, pilot armor and flotation devices and a life raft. Once the Finns in the Winter War against I-16s and Me-109s in the Continuation War dumped all the extra weight the Buffalo did well. Once RAAF dumped all the extra weight, the Buffalo did better against the Nates it faced over Malaysia being competitive in everything except climb rate.

Brewster compounded the problems with poor management and quality control. If the Wildcat hadn't been available as a replacement the Buffalo could have been fixed, but that wasn't necessary, and the Navy was already souring about Brewster.

You realize the Finns lost the Winter War, right?

Point was, the Navy dumped the Buffalo at the first opportunity because it was a shit aircraft.

Also, the ME-109 was a German Aircraft. Germany and Finland were allies.
 
The Stock Market was a trigger on an economy that was already floundering. But what really sunk us was the Smoot-Hawley Tariffs that destroyed international trade and plunged the whole world into a Depression.
When President Franklin Delano Roosevelt took office in March 1933, he immediately focused his attention on the domestic economic situation created by the Great Depression. Believing that recovery would come from measures taken at home rather than abroad, he secured Congressional passage of a series of far-reaching domestic economic reforms that would come to be known as the first New Deal. His doubts about the ability of foreign economic policy to contribute to domestic recovery were reflected in his approach to the London Economic Conference. In June 1933, representatives from 66 countries gathered in London to try to find a way out of the Depression through cooperation in areas such as the reduction of trade barriers and the stabilization of exchange rates. Countries that remained on the gold standard, such as France, sought to convince countries that had left the gold standard, particularly the United Kingdom (in September 1931) and the United States (in April 1933), to agree to stabilize the par values of their currencies. The chances for success were already slim when, on July 3, Roosevelt rejected such an agreement as “a purely artificial and temporary experiment,” asserting that a “sound internal economic situation” was more important to a country’s prosperity than the external value of its currency. The conference ended less than a month later with little to show for its efforts.
 
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When President Franklin Delano Roosevelt took office in March 1933, he immediately focused his attention on the domestic economic situation created by the Great Depression. Believing that recovery would come from measures taken at home rather than abroad, he secured Congressional passage of a series of far-reaching domestic economic reforms that would come to be known as the first New

Yes, it was brilliant, it worked, and he got elected four times. The end.

Explain your point. What are you trying to prove?

That selling obsolete Buffalos to finland didn't end the great depression, I guess. AZ has taken the discussion down so many rabbit holes I'm not even sure anymore.
 
You realize the Finns lost the Winter War, right?

Point was, the Navy dumped the Buffalo at the first opportunity because it was a shit aircraft.

Also, the ME-109 was a German Aircraft. Germany and Finland were allies.
As usual you have no idea what you are talking about. The Finns flew the Buffalos until they couldn’t be made airworthy any more or the end of the war. The Finns preferred the Buffalos to the Me-109s the Germans supplied. The Finns did fight against the Germans getting many kills against Me-109s and Fw-190s after signing a peace treaty with the USSR in September 1944.
 
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