Found space object proves we are not alone

[Hollie]

There are billions of galaxies and within them are billions of solar systems with billions of planets within. If you want top[lay the odds its 1,000,000 to 1 that there are other planets out there that could harbor life.

You believe in science, right? Science states that fine tuning of life means it only happens in a very narrow range. The exact quantity of each physical constant and the respective ratios must all be precisely as they are in order for life to exist. In most cases, the tiniest change to one of these constants would not only prohibit life as we know it, but it would make most forms of matter impossible, too. Our universe is not merely tuned to allow for “some kind” of life, but it seems to be arranged in the only way allowing for “any life,” at all. Our universe and Earth as the only planet to have life seems to be designed by a designer with intelligence.

The probabilities involved with the fine-tuning of the universe and life anywhere is much greater than winning the lottery. The odds of winning the lottery odds are represented using eight or nine digits, e.g., 1:10 to the 9th power. Randomly dealing a deck of 52 playing cards in perfect order presents odds of 1:10 to the 68 power. Physicists express the odds of “randomly” arranging universal physical constants in the present arrangement using numbers more like 1:10 to the 120th power.

Thus, your common sense and intuition are wrong.

Do you have any citation for your comment “Science states that fine tuning of life means it only happens in a very narrow range”?

It is the ID’iot creation ministries that press the religiously based “fine tuning” argument.

There is nothing to suggest that “The exact quantity of each physical constant and the respective ratios must all be precisely as they are in order for life to exist.” Contrary to the ID’iot creationer notion above, we know that life on this planet survives in a wide array of extremes of environmental conditions.

The silly deck of cards analogy regarding the chance is demonstrably false. We know the chance of life developing on this planet is 100%. There is no question about that. It may come as a surprise to you that biological processes mutate and respond to environmental pressures. Not so with inanimate objects such as a deck of cards.

So tell us, what are the odds of your gods being true vs. all the other gods?

 

[ReinyDays]

Do you have any citation for your comment “Science states that fine tuning of life means it only happens in a very narrow range”?

Kinda baffling to say SARS and Blue Whales are a "very narrow range" of options ... just looking at the range and diversity of vascular plants is amazing ...

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Just because an object is unusual does not mean it's aliens. It's probably not even that unusual for interstellar objects to pass through the inner solar system, it's just the first time we saw one.

When that object changes both speed and trajectory, well. There you have it

It didn't do anything that would suggest it was anything other than just a rock. Quit looking for aliens, there aren't any.

Maybe read what actually happened. It was shaped like nothing we've ever seen - 10 times longer than it was wide, it was highly reflective indicating that it was more likely than not metallic and it changed speed and direction

 

[Flash]

So a space rock is elongated instead of being round and we think it is an alien probe? LOL!

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

than not metallic and it changed speed and direction

Its speed changed minutely. More tha likely outgassing and gravity assist as it fell towards the sun

 

[dblack]

The two "facts" that are so interesting about this - the shape of the object and it's unusual acceleration - are both based on inferences made from very little data. I suspect there are some leaps made in the "inferring" that might not hold up.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

So a space rock is elongated instead of being round and we think it is an alien probe? LOL!

And they're making assumptions based on little data. The telescopes only picked it up as a tiny dot. They did not SEE an elongated shape. Everything you see is an artist's rendition

 

[Flash]

So a space rock is elongated instead of being round and we think it is an alien probe? LOL!

And they're making assumptions based on little data. The telescopes only picked it up as a tiny dot. They did not SEE an elongated shape. Everything you see is an artist's rendition

So nobody really knows anything but yet there are idiots that say it an alien spacecraft.

Typical.

We have been brainwashed with 100 years of Science Fiction so we are sure that there are green Orion slave girls out there just waiting to be screwed by Cpt Kirk.

 

[dblack]

So a space rock is elongated instead of being round and we think it is an alien probe? LOL!

And they're making assumptions based on little data. The telescopes only picked it up as a tiny dot. They did not SEE an elongated shape. Everything you see is an artist's rendition

So nobody really knows anything but yet there are idiots that say it an alien spacecraft.

Typical.

We have been brainwashed with 100 years of Science Fiction so we are sure that there are green Orion slave girls out there just waiting to be screwed by Cpt Kirk.

I'll wait for Qanon to weigh in.

 

[Natural Citizen]

They're probably gonna simulate the threat of an alien invasion, except they'll say the aliens won't invade if you give up your plinkers. Heh heh.

 

[MarathonMike]

I saw a report on that last year. Very cool, too bad we didn't have the technology to grab that bad boy and study it.

 

[anotherlife]

Cigar shaped? Ten times as long as wide? Okay, but the devil's cigar is supposed to be crooked, no?

 

[james bond]

Do you have any citation for your comment “Science states that fine tuning of life means it only happens in a very narrow range”?

Kinda baffling to say SARS and Blue Whales are a "very narrow range" of options ... just looking at the range and diversity of vascular plants is amazing ...

Lol. Who should I explain it to? Hollie, you, or both?

Hollie usually doesn't get that it was found by Stephen Hawking's scientists. Next, she get nasty and spews out insults about me being a member of " ID’iot creation ministries." ID and creationists are two separate organizations. Or calls me a religioner. Religion and science are because both seek outt he truth. She can't get past creation science being science instead of religion. Next, I point out her evolution and evolutionary thinking are based on the atheist religion.

 

[Hollie]

Do you have any citation for your comment “Science states that fine tuning of life means it only happens in a very narrow range”?

Kinda baffling to say SARS and Blue Whales are a "very narrow range" of options ... just looking at the range and diversity of vascular plants is amazing ...

Lol. Who should I explain it to? Hollie, you, or both?

Hollie usually doesn't get that it was found by Stephen Hawking's scientists. Next, she get nasty and spews out insults about me being a member of " ID’iot creation ministries." ID and creationists are two separate organizations. Or calls me a religioner. Religion and science are because both seek outt he truth. She can't get past creation science being science instead of religion. Next, I point out her evolution and evolutionary thinking are based on the atheist religion.

You're mistaken, as usual. Religion does not ''seek out the truth''. Religion seeks to support its own biases and preconceptions. That's why your ID'iot creationer ministries have a ''statement of faith'' that requires your ''pwoofs'' to be consistent with the brand of religious dogma.

Evolution and evolutionary thinking (whatever that is) reduces your to silly slogans. Evolution is a solidly accepted principle associated with biological organisms. You're denial of facts is not uncommon for the ID'iot creationers but don't assume others share your delusions.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Do you have any citation for your comment “Science states that fine tuning of life means it only happens in a very narrow range”?

Kinda baffling to say SARS and Blue Whales are a "very narrow range" of options ... just looking at the range and diversity of vascular plants is amazing ...

Terrible! My nonvascular plant collection is now marching around with signs saying "Chopped Liver Here", "Our Culture Has Been Cancelled", "Stop Fluid Transport Discrimination", "Blow It Out Your Xylem Tubes", ..

 

[james bond]

Do you have any citation for your comment “Science states that fine tuning of life means it only happens in a very narrow range”?

Kinda baffling to say SARS and Blue Whales are a "very narrow range" of options ... just looking at the range and diversity of vascular plants is amazing ...

You're changing the subject from fine tuning. I'll accept that as conceding defeat as the scientific method shows no abiogenesis. Furthermore, creationists know God created natural selection.

As for the vascular plants, can you explain which came first vascular or non-vascular? Can you change one into the other, i.e. demonstrate? Please explain the sexual reproduction and how that came to be.

 

[james bond]

You're mistaken, as usual. Religion does not ''seek out the truth''. Religion seeks to support its own biases and preconceptions. That's why your ID'iot creationer ministries have a ''statement of faith'' that requires your ''pwoofs'' to be consistent with the brand of religious dogma.

I heard that you read a book of mazes and then got lost in it.

 

[james bond]

It gets boring when the evolutioners who practice atheism do not explain nor stick to the topic.

I thought this was amusing . Can an evolutioner follow up on it?

"It’s never aliens—until it is. On December 18th news leaked in the British newspaper the Guardian of a mysterious signal coming from the closest star to our own, Proxima Centauri, a star too dim to see from Earth with the naked eye that is nonetheless a cosmic stone’s throw away at just 4.2 light-years. Found this autumn in archival data gathered last year, the signal appears to emanate from the direction of our neighboring star and cannot yet be dismissed as Earth-based interference, raising the very faint prospect that it is a transmission from some form of advanced extraterrestrial intelligence (ETI)—a so-called “technosignature.” Now, speaking to Scientific American, the scientists behind the discovery caution there is still much work to be done, but admit the interest is justified. “It has some particular properties that caused it to pass many of our checks, and we cannot yet explain it,” says Andrew Siemion from the University of California, Berkeley."

Alien Hunters Discover Mysterious Signal from Proxima Centauri

Strange radio transmissions appear to be coming from our nearest star system. Now scientists are trying to work out what is sending them

www.scientificamerican.com

Here's the original article:

"Astronomers behind the most extensive search yet for alien life are investigating an intriguing radio wave emission that appears to have come from the direction of Proxima Centauri, the nearest star to the sun.

The narrow beam of radio waves was picked up during 30 hours of observations by the Parkes telescope in Australia in April and May last year, the Guardian understands. Analysis of the beam has been under way for some time and scientists have yet to identify a terrestrial culprit such as ground-based equipment or a passing satellite.

It is usual for astronomers on the $100m (£70m) Breakthrough Listen project to spot strange blasts of radio waves with the Parkes telescope or the Green Bank Observatory in West Virginia, but all so far have been attributed to human-made interference or natural sources.

The latest “signal” is likely to have a mundane explanation too, but the direction of the narrow beam, around 980MHz, and an apparent shift in its frequency said to be consistent with the movement of a planet have added to the tantalising nature of the finding. Scientists are now preparing a paper on the beam, named BLC1, for Breakthrough Listen, the project to search for evidence of life in space, the Guardian understands.

The beam that appears to have come from the direction of Proxima Centauri, a red dwarf star 4.2 light years from Earth, has not been spotted since the initial observation, according to an individual in the astronomy community who requested anonymity because the work is ongoing. “It is the first serious candidate since the ‘Wow! signal’,” they said."

Scientists looking for aliens investigate radio beam 'from nearby star'

Tantalising ‘signal’ appears to have come from Proxima Centauri, the closest star to the sun

www.theguardian.com

 

[Hollie]

You're mistaken, as usual. Religion does not ''seek out the truth''. Religion seeks to support its own biases and preconceptions. That's why your ID'iot creationer ministries have a ''statement of faith'' that requires your ''pwoofs'' to be consistent with the brand of religious dogma.

I heard that you read a book of mazes and then got lost in it.

Instead of cutting and pasting your usual cartoons, why not make an attempt to support your argument?

 

[Hollie]

It gets boring when the evolutioners who practice atheism do not explain nor stick to the topic.

I thought this was amusing . Can an evolutioner follow up on it?

"It’s never aliens—until it is. On December 18th news leaked in the British newspaper the Guardian of a mysterious signal coming from the closest star to our own, Proxima Centauri, a star too dim to see from Earth with the naked eye that is nonetheless a cosmic stone’s throw away at just 4.2 light-years. Found this autumn in archival data gathered last year, the signal appears to emanate from the direction of our neighboring star and cannot yet be dismissed as Earth-based interference, raising the very faint prospect that it is a transmission from some form of advanced extraterrestrial intelligence (ETI)—a so-called “technosignature.” Now, speaking to Scientific American, the scientists behind the discovery caution there is still much work to be done, but admit the interest is justified. “It has some particular properties that caused it to pass many of our checks, and we cannot yet explain it,” says Andrew Siemion from the University of California, Berkeley."

Alien Hunters Discover Mysterious Signal from Proxima Centauri

Strange radio transmissions appear to be coming from our nearest star system. Now scientists are trying to work out what is sending them

www.scientificamerican.com

Here's the original article:

"Astronomers behind the most extensive search yet for alien life are investigating an intriguing radio wave emission that appears to have come from the direction of Proxima Centauri, the nearest star to the sun.

The narrow beam of radio waves was picked up during 30 hours of observations by the Parkes telescope in Australia in April and May last year, the Guardian understands. Analysis of the beam has been under way for some time and scientists have yet to identify a terrestrial culprit such as ground-based equipment or a passing satellite.

It is usual for astronomers on the $100m (£70m) Breakthrough Listen project to spot strange blasts of radio waves with the Parkes telescope or the Green Bank Observatory in West Virginia, but all so far have been attributed to human-made interference or natural sources.

The latest “signal” is likely to have a mundane explanation too, but the direction of the narrow beam, around 980MHz, and an apparent shift in its frequency said to be consistent with the movement of a planet have added to the tantalising nature of the finding. Scientists are now preparing a paper on the beam, named BLC1, for Breakthrough Listen, the project to search for evidence of life in space, the Guardian understands.

The beam that appears to have come from the direction of Proxima Centauri, a red dwarf star 4.2 light years from Earth, has not been spotted since the initial observation, according to an individual in the astronomy community who requested anonymity because the work is ongoing. “It is the first serious candidate since the ‘Wow! signal’,” they said."

Scientists looking for aliens investigate radio beam 'from nearby star'

Tantalising ‘signal’ appears to have come from Proxima Centauri, the closest star to the sun

www.theguardian.com

Have any of your ID’iot creationer ministries commented?

Maybe the gods of an alien civilization are reaching out.