Zone1 The Star of Bethlehem was a comet
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Correct, MAN CREATING DOGMA, FOR CONTROL.
A story as old as mankind. Witness the dogma that faux-chi created around COVID.
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Trying to shake people's faith is an attempt to tear down Christianity. Please see my sig line for the issue of honest evaluation and validation of what we believe and how we should approach that.
It would be far more kind to acknowledge that miracles by natural means are no less miracles of God. That does not require you to not believe that the Star of Bethlehem is not a miracle of God or to put things in terms of your own belief. So long as you put things in terms of your own belief and not what everybody else is supposed to believe.
Many, perhaps most, Christians will disagree with my personal Biblical interpretations and analysis. But I always am careful to make those interpretations and analysis my own and allow others to believe differently on those concepts that do not change the Gospel that of glorious news announced to mankind of salvation and victory over sin and death that God offers to all people through the person and accomplished work of Jesus Christ on the cross as proven by His resurrection.
Those who believe in that salvation via Jesus Christ are Christians. The other details given through the Scriptures can be discussed and debated by those who enjoy doing that, but never should we demand that others share our opinions on any of those details.
I believe that is the Christian way.
Hafar1014
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No one demands you believe anything. Its Christians who have history of demanding conversion.
If I dont believe in Jesus am I going to hell in your mind?
Can you live up to your own standards?
A miracle by nature cannot be an act of God. Thats circular logic.
See, you do understand. Religion is a creation by man to explain the world he lives in.
What is interesting to me is how closely the book of Genesis, and modern cosmological theory line up.
MarathonMike
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No no no. It randomly sprung out of the Wuhan Meat Market, coincidentally located a few hundred yards from the Wuhan Virology Lab.
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Reports of a comet are found in Chinese records from 5 B.C.E., according to research published on December 3 in the Journal of the British Astronomical Association and written by Mark Matney, a planetary scientist at NASA, who conducted the research independently of the agency.
Have Astronomers Found the True ‘Star of Bethlehem’?
A scientist has identified a possible astronomical explanation for the Star of Bethlehem, as described in the Biblewww.scientificamerican.com
Matney recalls how, as a student, he worked at a planetarium that ran a Christmas sky show telling the story of the Star of Bethlehem, which rose in the southern sky until it appeared to come to a stop overhead. The planetarium show said that no known astronomical object could act in the way described by the story of the magi—Earth’s rotation means that everything in the sky rises in the east and sets in the west.
“I remember sitting there saying, ‘Oh, I know one that could do that,’” Matney says. He suspected that a long-period comet from the mysterious Oort Cloud, which lies far beyond the planets of our solar system, could be the key.
Not a sign from God
I am curious, do you believe, or at least suspect, that something similar may be happening in December of 2025, with that comet that a famous astronomer has risked his career to speculate about?
Comet growing a tail could be alien technology, Harvard professor suggests
I am a Christian and I have never demanded anybody believe anything.
I allow you your belief that a miracle by natural means cannot exist. I do believe you are very wrong about that though.
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You have made a good point but it is my belief that very possibly Messiah Yeshua - Jesus in His resurrected body will make this earth a utopian paradise within two centuries, [but Jesus may in a sense somewhat continue to hide Himself at least from the most skeptical of us who will want to believe that what is happening was caused by something other than a series of miracles that fit with every word in the Law, the Prophets, the Writings, [not to mention modern near death experience accounts]?
[Howard Storm] :
5. The Future of the U.S. and the World
Because of my fear of a nuclear holocaust I asked if there was going to be a nuclear war in the world, and they said no. That astonished me, and I gave them this extensive explanation of how I had lived under the threat of nuclear war. That was one of the reasons I was who I was. I figured, when I was in this life, that it was all sort of hopeless; the world was going to blow up anyway, and nothing made much sense. In that context I felt I could do what I wanted, since nothing mattered.
They said, “No, there isn’t going to be any nuclear war.”
I asked if they were absolutely sure there wasn’t going to be nuclear war. They reassured me again, and I asked them how they could be so sure.
Their response was: “God loves the world.” They told me that at the most, one or two nuclear weapons might go off accidentally, if they weren’t destroyed, but there wouldn’t be a nuclear war.
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The image of the future that they gave me then, and it was their image, not one that I created, surprised me. My image had previously been sort of like Star Wars, where everything was space age, plastics, and technology.
The future that they showed me was almost no technology at all. What everybody, absolutely everybody, in this euphoric future spent most of their time doing was raising children. The chief concern of people was children, and everybody considered children to be the most precious commodity in the world.
And when a person became an adult, there was no sense of anxiety, nor hatred, nor competition.
There was this enormous sense of trust and mutual respect. If a person, in this view of the future, became disturbed, then the community of people all cared about the disturbed person falling away from the harmony of the group. Spiritually, through prayer and love, the others would elevate the afflicted person.
What people did with the rest of their time was that they gardened, with almost no physical effort. They showed me that plants, with prayer, would produce huge fruits and vegetables.
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Harry Dresden
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you cant prove that it wasnt sent by a god and i cant prove that it was...
If the whole of existence was created by God, including Nature, how could 'A miracle by nature not be an act of God' ?
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Thats called circular thinkingIf the whole of existence was created by God, including Nature, how could 'A miracle by nature not be an act of God' ?
Reality is in a state of chaos or freedom. Anything can happen to anyone. You can be a saint and get cancer. Life isnt fair its not supposed to be. We have to create that not some God. We are not as ants or bees. We are autonomous and free
Much of the first chapters in the Book of Genesis is taken from earlier Sumerian writing, Enuma Elish, as dictated by the Annunaki. \
Eridu Genesis - Wikipedia
Eridu Genesis - World History Encyclopedia
The Origins of Human Beings According to Ancient Sumerian ...
Picked up from the time the Hebrews spent in Babylon.
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Free to self-destruct, and we have seized upon that freedom with relish (not the food kind of relish). Maybe I should have said "zest" (Oh wait, that's also a kind of food).
Hafar1014
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Speak for yourselfFree to self-destruct, and we have seized upon that freedom with relish (not the food kind of relish). Maybe I should have said "zest" (Oh wait, that's also a kind of food).
There are many similarities in Creation stories. Genesis is based on an old Hebrew oral tradition. Its an allegory. I wouldnt say taken from.
Genesis a Jewish work was far advanced. They arent that similar. Genesis describes evolution, mans moral teaching and free will that must be combined, and mans inherent need for meaning he defines for himself.
1) I was taking the perspective about Creation as presented in Judea-Christian Dogma/Scripture.
2) You've presented your "belief system", others might have ones that are different.
3) If the God of Creation is eternal, no beginning & no ending, and all that is Existence is created of and by God, then all of Creation also has no beginning nor ending. Hence reality is circular.
You might not but I will; having read the "Epic of Gilgamesh", and other Sumerian (later Akkad, then Babylon) writings/records.
BTW, I am speaking for myself, some what, but also from perspective of a historian.
More details in this thread of mine;
The Geminga Scenario
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The circular logic was in the miracle context.1) I was taking the perspective about Creation as presented in Judea-Christian Dogma/Scripture.
2) You've presented your "belief system", others might have ones that are different.
3) If the God of Creation is eternal, no beginning & no ending, and all that is Existence is created of and by God, then all of Creation also has no beginning nor ending. Hence reality is circular.
Everything must have a beginning. Who is the creator of creators? Thats called a paradox and has no answer. The truth is we simply cant know. So then we believe and the choice fills an emotional need. Nothing wrong with that.
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I calls 'em the way I sees 'em.
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