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YOU CANNOT DOCUMENT THE LIE. You are making stuff up because you are driven by fear. Your fear has made you a crazy nut case.
A disgusting coward who lives in a make believe world to justify fear.
For those who do not believe in science, do they believe in history
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A disgusting coward who lives in a make believe world to justify fear.
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I am talking about the top government officials Presidents including Trump. All current govenors and the VAST majority of congress.
THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT, FROM YOU, IS AN ABSOLUTE LIE AS POINTED OUT BY ONE OF YOUR FELLOW NUT CASES.
"Your statement that “99.2% deaths over the last two weeks are among the un-vaxed” is a false statement by any measure, a made up measure perhaps"
You are a liar and a coward.
Nearly all COVID deaths in US are now among unvaccinated
Nearly all COVID-19 deaths in the United States now are in people who weren’t vaccinated, a staggering demonstration of how effective the vaccines have been and an indication that daily deaths — now down to under 300 — could be practically zero if everyone eligible got the shots.
apnews.com
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It is about the vaccine
Eric Clapton Appears Frustrated With Covid-19 Vaccine on New Song 'This Has Gotta Stop'
Eric Clapton appeared to vent his frustration with the Covid-19 vaccine on his new song, 'This Has Gotta Stop."
www.rollingstone.com
ClaireH
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I am neither. I speak my truth on here the same as you. I read factual data from scientific journals and all most current sources. The deaths WITH COVID-19 and FROM COVID-19 have never been fully evaluated to determine accurate distinction.I am talking about the top government officials Presidents including Trump. All current govenors and the VAST majority of congress.
THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT, FROM YOU, IS AN ABSOLUTE LIE AS POINTED OUT BY ONE OF YOUR FELLOW NUT CASES.
"Your statement that “99.2% deaths over the last two weeks are among the un-vaxed” is a false statement by any measure, a made up measure perhaps"
You are a liar and a coward.
Nearly all COVID deaths in US are now among unvaccinated
Nearly all COVID-19 deaths in the United States now are in people who weren’t vaccinated, a staggering demonstration of how effective the vaccines have been and an indication that daily deaths — now down to under 300 — could be practically zero if everyone eligible got the shots.
Calling names on here seems really weak. I'd advise lifting weights.
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I provided documentation that one of your truths is NOT TRUE.
Please document your claims.
I have lost my patience for people passing on "their truth" that is not the truth in the real world.
The lies and mis-information are threatening our country.
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ClaireH
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Let’s take a paragraph from your source: “Nearly all COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. now are in people who weren’t vaccinated, a staggering demonstration of how effective the shots have been and an indication that deaths per day — now down to under 300 — could be practically zero if everyone eligible got the vaccine.”
The words in bold is a false qualifier. It reads that every single person should be vaccinated, which is a provable falsehood. It misleads the reader that a “one size fits all” approach is the optimal response for COVID-19 vaccine candidates.
BTW- You do know that multiple drug companies, those that have actually produced vaccines successfully in the past (unlike those select companies that rushed their products after getting the green light from governmental leaders) are currently competing to come up with better alternatives, yes? There are plant options that will soon be out for the public if they’re not already out in Canada but I’ll need to check that. These companies are still going to replicate messenger RNA molecules, but with a derivative from the tobacco plant, not a chicken egg which significantly reduces risk for contamination.
There are multiple options to effectively treat symptoms for mild to moderate coronavirus as you know for all outside of top risk groups.
Targeting high-risk groups is the sensible route, unfortunately the senseless have been at the helm with this mess. These are the people who, as data as shown, are dying:
1. Obesity is a top comorbidity, if not number one:
“Obesity plays a profound role in risk for death from COVID-19, particularly in male patients and younger populations.”
Obesity and Mortality Among Patients Diagnosed With COVID-19: Results From an Integrated Health Care Organization - PubMed
Roche-Genentech.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
2. Type 2 diabetes has been reported to be in around 40% of all Covid-19 deaths.
Everything You Should Know About COVID-19 and Diabetes
Worried about being high-risk for COVID-19 with diabetes? Here’s what you should know...
www.healthline.com
Another massive study: “The researchers estimated that more than 900,000 COVID-19 hospitalizations occurred through November 2020. Based on their model, 30% of these hospitalizations were attributable to obesity, 26% to hypertension, 21% to diabetes, and 12% to heart failure. These people would still have been infected with COVID-19, but likely would not have been sick enough to need hospitalization.”
So, 89% of 900,000 COVID-19 patients had at least 1 of 4 preexisting conditions. These are high risk groups who are dying and should consider the vaccine which reportedly reduces the severity and likelihood of death.
Most COVID-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions
A study estimated that nearly two-thirds of COVID-19 hospitalizations in the U.S. could be attributed to obesity, diabetes, hypertension, and heart failure.
www.nih.gov
If you’re looking for a lie, a “one size fits all” approach is the lie.
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Where the **** did you come up with these fake numbers?
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I'm an anti-vaxxer and I have had the virus---I didn't die. I acquired a better immunity than those who got vaccinated....Outspoken vaccine skeptic Phil Valentine died Saturday, a month after his COVID-19 diagnosis captured national attention.
It is sad that many anti-vaxers learn the truth the hard way. What is sadder is that their stupidity will result in other's dying.
Nashville radio host Phil Valentine dies at 61 after battling COVID-19
Phil Valentine, a Nashville radio host who had a public change of heart about the COVID-19 vaccine, has died after being diagnosed with COVID in July.www.tennessean.com
ClaireH
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That will continue to play out more and more whereas more time elapses we’ll be able to measure how long natural immunity can go and two years at a minimum for most from looking at other virus patterns is likely, (“most” only having to be 50.000001 % or so is a safe bet!) but admittedly just based on looking at other viruses. The data keeps changing as more time passes.
Plus, as you already know Turtlesoup, “Immunity is also determined by other factors besides antibodies, such as T and B cell memory, which some studies estimate could last for years.”
How long does covid-19 immunity last?
Many questions remain about both natural and vaccine induced immunity to SARS-CoV-2. Chris Baraniuk reviews what we know so far This is difficult to say definitively. When the body’s immune system responds to an infection, it isn’t always clear how long any immunity that develops will persist...
Good to know you have a boosted antibody count from natural route!
Rigby5
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That is silly.
If a person was fear driven, the thing being most hyped as threatening is the virus, so then it is those pushing these rushed vaccines who are fear driven.
It is those who know science who know the virus is no big deal and the vaccines are badly designed and implemented.
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Nothing you have said and documented changes the need for all, without extenuating situation, get vaccinated for their own health and more importantly for the common good.Let’s take a paragraph from your source: “Nearly all COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. now are in people who weren’t vaccinated, a staggering demonstration of how effective the shots have been and an indication that deaths per day — now down to under 300 — could be practically zero if everyone eligible got the vaccine.”
The words in bold is a false qualifier. It reads that every single person should be vaccinated, which is a provable falsehood. It misleads the reader that a “one size fits all” approach is the optimal response for COVID-19 vaccine candidates.
BTW- You do know that multiple drug companies, those that have actually produced vaccines successfully in the past (unlike those select companies that rushed their products after getting the green light from governmental leaders) are currently competing to come up with better alternatives, yes? There are plant options that will soon be out for the public if they’re not already out in Canada but I’ll need to check that. These companies are still going to replicate messenger RNA molecules, but with a derivative from the tobacco plant, not a chicken egg which significantly reduces risk for contamination.
There are multiple options to effectively treat symptoms for mild to moderate coronavirus as you know for all outside of top risk groups.
Targeting high-risk groups is the sensible route, unfortunately the senseless have been at the helm with this mess. These are the people who, as data as shown, are dying:
1. Obesity is a top comorbidity, if not number one:
“Obesity plays a profound role in risk for death from COVID-19, particularly in male patients and younger populations.”
Obesity and Mortality Among Patients Diagnosed With COVID-19: Results From an Integrated Health Care Organization - PubMed
Roche-Genentech.
2. Type 2 diabetes has been reported to be in around 40% of all Covid-19 deaths.
Everything You Should Know About COVID-19 and Diabetes
Worried about being high-risk for COVID-19 with diabetes? Here’s what you should know...
Another massive study: “The researchers estimated that more than 900,000 COVID-19 hospitalizations occurred through November 2020. Based on their model, 30% of these hospitalizations were attributable to obesity, 26% to hypertension, 21% to diabetes, and 12% to heart failure. These people would still have been infected with COVID-19, but likely would not have been sick enough to need hospitalization.”
So, 89% of 900,000 COVID-19 patients had at least 1 of 4 preexisting conditions. These are high risk groups who are dying and should consider the vaccine which reportedly reduces the severity and likelihood of death.
Most COVID-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions
A study estimated that nearly two-thirds of COVID-19 hospitalizations in the U.S. could be attributed to obesity, diabetes, hypertension, and heart failure.
If you’re looking for a lie, a “one size fits all” approach is the lie.
Your thinking is adding 2 + 2 and getting 3. Your thinking and words will cost human lives. If you only harmed yourself, so be it, but you are hurting others because of flawed thinking. Be a good citizen and look beyond yourself.
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Those who know real science know this virus is a big deal. Anytime novel virus as contagious as COVID 19 hits a virgin population, it is a big deal.
The populations who are resisting vaccines the most are those that do not trust science.
You blatantly make stuff up and deliver it as fact.
Trust in science, social consensus and vaccine confidence - Nature Human Behaviour
Trust in science is important for vaccine confidence, and this is true for countries as well as individuals. Sturgis et al. find that confidence in vaccination is higher in countries where people agree that scientists are trustworthy.
www.nature.com
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Wrong
Look for These Symptoms in the Months After COVID Recovery
Heart disease, diabetes, and kidney complications are all possible for people who've had COVID-19. Here's what you should look for.
www.healthline.com
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Again, I have had the virus--DEC/Jan timeframe...I have better immunity than the vaccinated. Sorry that you don't like the truth.Wrong
Look for These Symptoms in the Months After COVID Recovery
Heart disease, diabetes, and kidney complications are all possible for people who've had COVID-19. Here's what you should look for.
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boedicca
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And the government didn't promote an experimental mRNA treatment which caused them to mutate.
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That is true. But SARS - Corona viruses are impossible to eradicate. Zero Covid is yet another fake Utopian agenda as Covid is already endemic. It is better for us to learn to live with it and to focus on treatment instead of these futile, and ultimately counterproductive mRNA "vaccines".
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Mark Twain would have been smart enough to know that the CDC lies and manipulates and that the vaccines are shit....they only last a few months at best .....while natural immunity offers years of immunity.
ClaireH
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So to be clear, you reject clinical test results from the NIH (National Institute of Health) affiliated with the US government and parent company, if you will, over Fauci’s department NIIDS.
I’ve posted evidence from top medical sources and you know it. But by all means, continue to stay buried in your rabbit hole fixated on not learning factual findings. You are indeed a most peculiar poster, and because I feel the need to spell it out, not in a good way.
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