For The 199th Time; Why Are We Still In Iraq & Afghanistan????

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"The US military has launched a strike on facilities in eastern Syria used by Iran-backed militia, in retaliation for recent rocket attacks on US troop locations in Iraq, the Pentagon said. "These strikes were authorised in response to recent attacks against American and Coalition personnel in Iraq, and to ongoing threats to those personnel," he said. While the bombing could be the first retaliatory moves by the United States following last week's attacks, Thursday's strike appeared to be limited in scope, potentially lowering the risk of escalation."

Why the fuck are we still in Iraq......why are we still in Afghanistan?? Why are we still occupying the Middle East period.....The delicate balance between Shiites and Sunnis that held across Iraq has long been destroyed and US troops have no business in the middle of a never-ending stream of proxy wars between the Saudis and Iranians....these folks live there, we don't -- they will always wait us out...and with all of the hundreds of billions of dollars of weapons we sold the Saudis; let them protect their own oil fields or hire a bunch of Erik Prince mercenary firms to do it for them.....not US troops....

I thought Trump was the person best suited to end both wars; because of the sycophancy of the GOP and their willingness to switch positions on virtually anything based on if their cult leader tells them to...but he didn't -- he just ran his mouth as usual....and now we are still just as involved in this Bush generated quagmire as ever.....and Biden DEFINITELY won't be the one to get us out -- even if he wanted to; the GOP and Democrat war hawks will switch right back to Neo-con status and talk about cutting and running and how "we gotta fight them over there to avoid fighting them here, blah blah blah".
US troops don't protect Saudi Arabia's oil fields.
US troops DO, indirectly, protect Saudi Arabia's
oil fields. -----and the international waterways in
the area, coveted by both shiites worldwide and
jihadist pigs. It is a difficult position
Iran wants to control Socotra, the Bab al Manab and the Straits of Hormuz.
yes-----a NITE-MARE (and onward thru Yemen to the black turd in the sand of 'arabia' . . . . . . . . Whether the young intellectual kids of Teheran care about the black turd is not THE ISSUE-------the issue is the masses of illiterate shiites around the world
 

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"The US military has launched a strike on facilities in eastern Syria used by Iran-backed militia, in retaliation for recent rocket attacks on US troop locations in Iraq, the Pentagon said. "These strikes were authorised in response to recent attacks against American and Coalition personnel in Iraq, and to ongoing threats to those personnel," he said. While the bombing could be the first retaliatory moves by the United States following last week's attacks, Thursday's strike appeared to be limited in scope, potentially lowering the risk of escalation."

Why the fuck are we still in Iraq......why are we still in Afghanistan?? Why are we still occupying the Middle East period.....The delicate balance between Shiites and Sunnis that held across Iraq has long been destroyed and US troops have no business in the middle of a never-ending stream of proxy wars between the Saudis and Iranians....these folks live there, we don't -- they will always wait us out...and with all of the hundreds of billions of dollars of weapons we sold the Saudis; let them protect their own oil fields or hire a bunch of Erik Prince mercenary firms to do it for them.....not US troops....

I thought Trump was the person best suited to end both wars; because of the sycophancy of the GOP and their willingness to switch positions on virtually anything based on if their cult leader tells them to...but he didn't -- he just ran his mouth as usual....and now we are still just as involved in this Bush generated quagmire as ever.....and Biden DEFINITELY won't be the one to get us out -- even if he wanted to; the GOP and Democrat war hawks will switch right back to Neo-con status and talk about cutting and running and how "we gotta fight them over there to avoid fighting them here, blah blah blah".
We love bombing brown people, it's fun.
 

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"The US military has launched a strike on facilities in eastern Syria used by Iran-backed militia, in retaliation for recent rocket attacks on US troop locations in Iraq, the Pentagon said. "These strikes were authorised in response to recent attacks against American and Coalition personnel in Iraq, and to ongoing threats to those personnel," he said. While the bombing could be the first retaliatory moves by the United States following last week's attacks, Thursday's strike appeared to be limited in scope, potentially lowering the risk of escalation."

Why the fuck are we still in Iraq......why are we still in Afghanistan?? Why are we still occupying the Middle East period.....The delicate balance between Shiites and Sunnis that held across Iraq has long been destroyed and US troops have no business in the middle of a never-ending stream of proxy wars between the Saudis and Iranians....these folks live there, we don't -- they will always wait us out...and with all of the hundreds of billions of dollars of weapons we sold the Saudis; let them protect their own oil fields or hire a bunch of Erik Prince mercenary firms to do it for them.....not US troops....

I thought Trump was the person best suited to end both wars; because of the sycophancy of the GOP and their willingness to switch positions on virtually anything based on if their cult leader tells them to...but he didn't -- he just ran his mouth as usual....and now we are still just as involved in this Bush generated quagmire as ever.....and Biden DEFINITELY won't be the one to get us out -- even if he wanted to; the GOP and Democrat war hawks will switch right back to Neo-con status and talk about cutting and running and how "we gotta fight them over there to avoid fighting them here, blah blah blah".
We love bombing brown people, it's fun.
who are you calling "brown people"??? are you british? have you ever met an Iraqi or an Iranian?
Try not to INFORM any of them on your impressions of
--------uhm------human races
 

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It is a difficult position
Trade with all, ally with none- it's called minding your own business- the US gov't wasn't granted the authority to be the worlds police- and make no mistake, given an inch a mile is taken, we're living the evidence.

it's called HIDING YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND
 
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We have been over there in the ME since 1953 when Great Britain asked for US involvement.
And have accomplished nothing.
These are corporate wars.

And we are silent because we worry about not being able to not be able to get the new iphone as soon as it comes out. All the while thousands of mothers cry themselves to sleep every night.
What is this "we" shit?

"We" are not silent. "We" have been pretty damn vocal. For four years the Democratic Party was fixated on Trump.

Ya asked for nothing and ya got nothing in return.

I'm over it. You guys seem to think that you can just waltz back in now that you installed a KNOWN warhawk and get back to where we were some 12 years ago?

Oh, no.

You completely ignored that the countries that wanted Biden in power stood to profit substantially. One group of billionaires.
When was the last successful anti-war movement??

Even back during Vietnam; when the left was able to turn the tide on that war.....Nixon invaded Cambodia and next thing you know, students at Kent State and Jackson St get slaughtered.....


Apathy has long since set in on any belief that we will end wars in the ME.......would Bernie had been the one to do it?? I doubt it.....

Trump had the best chance to do it and he didn't
I would say the last successful protests were in the 90s. Protesting the School of Assassins' simply in terms of bringing it to people's attention.

We have a luxury that wasn't available before. That would be the internet. Before the 90s people had to wait for information. You read the paper and way in the back might be an article alerting people to a corporate deal.

We don't have apathy so much as a failure to stick to the issue instead of talking points provided by the media or the politicians. They get to pick the issue, frame the issue and, in doing so, obtains the answers they want. The exact same people that sit on the boards of media conglomerates are also sitting on the boards in other industries.

The tail is wagging the dog. You have to stick to the issues and force the politicians to pay attention and not allow a political party to hijack the issue.
Problem is.........tons of politicians were able to get elected into office without a commitment to bringing home troops ever being an action item they had to run on.....

And with how poorly educated voters are on the cause and effects of why we are so entangled in the Middle East; it makes it harder for them to hold anyone accountable if they are still seeing it as Red vs Blue
 

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We have been over there in the ME since 1953 when Great Britain asked for US involvement.
And have accomplished nothing.
These are corporate wars.

And we are silent because we worry about not being able to not be able to get the new iphone as soon as it comes out. All the while thousands of mothers cry themselves to sleep every night.
What is this "we" shit?

"We" are not silent. "We" have been pretty damn vocal. For four years the Democratic Party was fixated on Trump.

Ya asked for nothing and ya got nothing in return.

I'm over it. You guys seem to think that you can just waltz back in now that you installed a KNOWN warhawk and get back to where we were some 12 years ago?

Oh, no.

You completely ignored that the countries that wanted Biden in power stood to profit substantially. One group of billionaires.
When was the last successful anti-war movement??

Even back during Vietnam; when the left was able to turn the tide on that war.....Nixon invaded Cambodia and next thing you know, students at Kent State and Jackson St get slaughtered.....


Apathy has long since set in on any belief that we will end wars in the ME.......would Bernie had been the one to do it?? I doubt it.....

Trump had the best chance to do it and he didn't
I would say the last successful protests were in the 90s. Protesting the School of Assassins' simply in terms of bringing it to people's attention.

We have a luxury that wasn't available before. That would be the internet. Before the 90s people had to wait for information. You read the paper and way in the back might be an article alerting people to a corporate deal.

We don't have apathy so much as a failure to stick to the issue instead of talking points provided by the media or the politicians. They get to pick the issue, frame the issue and, in doing so, obtains the answers they want. The exact same people that sit on the boards of media conglomerates are also sitting on the boards in other industries.

The tail is wagging the dog. You have to stick to the issues and force the politicians to pay attention and not allow a political party to hijack the issue.
Problem is.........tons of politicians were able to get elected into office without a commitment to bringing home troops ever being an action item they had to run on.....

And with how poorly educated voters are on the cause and effects of why we are so entangled in the Middle East; it makes it harder for them to hold anyone accountable if they are still seeing it as Red vs Blue
Demand nothing and get nothing in return.

I firmly believe that if discussions can be carried out focusing objectively on issues that it can be flipped. They are no longer in control of the conversation and they will HAVE to pay attention.
 

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We have been over there in the ME since 1953 when Great Britain asked for US involvement.
And have accomplished nothing.
These are corporate wars.

And we are silent because we worry about not being able to not be able to get the new iphone as soon as it comes out. All the while thousands of mothers cry themselves to sleep every night.
What is this "we" shit?

"We" are not silent. "We" have been pretty damn vocal. For four years the Democratic Party was fixated on Trump.

Ya asked for nothing and ya got nothing in return.

I'm over it. You guys seem to think that you can just waltz back in now that you installed a KNOWN warhawk and get back to where we were some 12 years ago?

Oh, no.

You completely ignored that the countries that wanted Biden in power stood to profit substantially. One group of billionaires.
When was the last successful anti-war movement??

Even back during Vietnam; when the left was able to turn the tide on that war.....Nixon invaded Cambodia and next thing you know, students at Kent State and Jackson St get slaughtered.....


Apathy has long since set in on any belief that we will end wars in the ME.......would Bernie had been the one to do it?? I doubt it.....

Trump had the best chance to do it and he didn't
I would say the last successful protests were in the 90s. Protesting the School of Assassins' simply in terms of bringing it to people's attention.

We have a luxury that wasn't available before. That would be the internet. Before the 90s people had to wait for information. You read the paper and way in the back might be an article alerting people to a corporate deal.

We don't have apathy so much as a failure to stick to the issue instead of talking points provided by the media or the politicians. They get to pick the issue, frame the issue and, in doing so, obtains the answers they want. The exact same people that sit on the boards of media conglomerates are also sitting on the boards in other industries.

The tail is wagging the dog. You have to stick to the issues and force the politicians to pay attention and not allow a political party to hijack the issue.
Problem is.........tons of politicians were able to get elected into office without a commitment to bringing home troops ever being an action item they had to run on.....

And with how poorly educated voters are on the cause and effects of why we are so entangled in the Middle East; it makes it harder for them to hold anyone accountable if they are still seeing it as Red vs Blue
It wasn't even brought up in the debates.
 

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Demand nothing and get nothing in return.
Demanding the fed gov't so anything other than it's constitutional allowances means you get un onstitutional allowances you don't like with maybe some you might like-
 

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it's called HIDING YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND
I trust Washington and Jefferson's thoughts a lot more than your's-
different PLACE in the dimension called TIME.
Back then, both the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans
were HUGE BULWARKS---(remember the great wall
of china?------same superannuated idea) I trust
logic, and truth
 

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"The US military has launched a strike on facilities in eastern Syria used by Iran-backed militia, in retaliation for recent rocket attacks on US troop locations in Iraq, the Pentagon said. "These strikes were authorised in response to recent attacks against American and Coalition personnel in Iraq, and to ongoing threats to those personnel," he said. While the bombing could be the first retaliatory moves by the United States following last week's attacks, Thursday's strike appeared to be limited in scope, potentially lowering the risk of escalation."

Why the fuck are we still in Iraq......why are we still in Afghanistan?? Why are we still occupying the Middle East period.....The delicate balance between Shiites and Sunnis that held across Iraq has long been destroyed and US troops have no business in the middle of a never-ending stream of proxy wars between the Saudis and Iranians....these folks live there, we don't -- they will always wait us out...and with all of the hundreds of billions of dollars of weapons we sold the Saudis; let them protect their own oil fields or hire a bunch of Erik Prince mercenary firms to do it for them.....not US troops....

I thought Trump was the person best suited to end both wars; because of the sycophancy of the GOP and their willingness to switch positions on virtually anything based on if their cult leader tells them to...but he didn't -- he just ran his mouth as usual....and now we are still just as involved in this Bush generated quagmire as ever.....and Biden DEFINITELY won't be the one to get us out -- even if he wanted to; the GOP and Democrat war hawks will switch right back to Neo-con status and talk about cutting and running and how "we gotta fight them over there to avoid fighting them here, blah blah blah".
We love bombing brown people, it's fun.
who are you calling "brown people"??? are you british? have you ever met an Iraqi or an Iranian?
Try not to INFORM any of them on your impressions of
--------uhm------human races
Iraq and Afghanistan are chock full of brown people. We should nuke them.
 

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different PLACE in the dimension called TIME.
Back then, both the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans
were HUGE BULWARKS---(remember the great wall
of china?------same superannuated idea) I trust
logic, and truth
Truth is constant-
 

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"The US military has launched a strike on facilities in eastern Syria used by Iran-backed militia, in retaliation for recent rocket attacks on US troop locations in Iraq, the Pentagon said. "These strikes were authorised in response to recent attacks against American and Coalition personnel in Iraq, and to ongoing threats to those personnel," he said. While the bombing could be the first retaliatory moves by the United States following last week's attacks, Thursday's strike appeared to be limited in scope, potentially lowering the risk of escalation."

Why the fuck are we still in Iraq......why are we still in Afghanistan?? Why are we still occupying the Middle East period.....The delicate balance between Shiites and Sunnis that held across Iraq has long been destroyed and US troops have no business in the middle of a never-ending stream of proxy wars between the Saudis and Iranians....these folks live there, we don't -- they will always wait us out...and with all of the hundreds of billions of dollars of weapons we sold the Saudis; let them protect their own oil fields or hire a bunch of Erik Prince mercenary firms to do it for them.....not US troops....

I thought Trump was the person best suited to end both wars; because of the sycophancy of the GOP and their willingness to switch positions on virtually anything based on if their cult leader tells them to...but he didn't -- he just ran his mouth as usual....and now we are still just as involved in this Bush generated quagmire as ever.....and Biden DEFINITELY won't be the one to get us out -- even if he wanted to; the GOP and Democrat war hawks will switch right back to Neo-con status and talk about cutting and running and how "we gotta fight them over there to avoid fighting them here, blah blah blah".
We love bombing brown people, it's fun.
who are you calling "brown people"??? are you british? have you ever met an Iraqi or an Iranian?
Try not to INFORM any of them on your impressions of
--------uhm------human races
Iraq and Afghanistan are chock full of brown people. We should nuke them.
did you pass 8th grade biology?-------uhm----do you have any idea how concepts of "race" came about in
the HUMAN SPECIES amongst the persons called
"anthropologists" <<<<< an inbred population.
Getting back to the demographics of Iraq----that land is the OLD TIME mesopotamia----it was invaded by
arabs----both peoples considered "Caucasian" even
by the inbred anthropologists of the 18th century----same is true of the indigenous people of arabia---albeit with lots of mixing, over the centuries-----with the people they call "ABED"----from the southern half of
Africa-----based on their slave economy
 

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"The US military has launched a strike on facilities in eastern Syria used by Iran-backed militia, in retaliation for recent rocket attacks on US troop locations in Iraq, the Pentagon said. "These strikes were authorised in response to recent attacks against American and Coalition personnel in Iraq, and to ongoing threats to those personnel," he said. While the bombing could be the first retaliatory moves by the United States following last week's attacks, Thursday's strike appeared to be limited in scope, potentially lowering the risk of escalation."

Why the fuck are we still in Iraq......why are we still in Afghanistan?? Why are we still occupying the Middle East period.....The delicate balance between Shiites and Sunnis that held across Iraq has long been destroyed and US troops have no business in the middle of a never-ending stream of proxy wars between the Saudis and Iranians....these folks live there, we don't -- they will always wait us out...and with all of the hundreds of billions of dollars of weapons we sold the Saudis; let them protect their own oil fields or hire a bunch of Erik Prince mercenary firms to do it for them.....not US troops....

I thought Trump was the person best suited to end both wars; because of the sycophancy of the GOP and their willingness to switch positions on virtually anything based on if their cult leader tells them to...but he didn't -- he just ran his mouth as usual....and now we are still just as involved in this Bush generated quagmire as ever.....and Biden DEFINITELY won't be the one to get us out -- even if he wanted to; the GOP and Democrat war hawks will switch right back to Neo-con status and talk about cutting and running and how "we gotta fight them over there to avoid fighting them here, blah blah blah".
We love bombing brown people, it's fun.
who are you calling "brown people"??? are you british? have you ever met an Iraqi or an Iranian?
Try not to INFORM any of them on your impressions of
--------uhm------human races
Iraq and Afghanistan are chock full of brown people. We should nuke them.
did you pass 8th grade biology?-------uhm----do you have any idea how concepts of "race" came about in
the HUMAN SPECIES amongst the persons called
"anthropologists" <<<<< an inbred population.
Getting back to the demographics of Iraq----that land is the OLD TIME mesopotamia----it was invaded by
arabs----both peoples considered "Caucasian" even
by the inbred anthropologists of the 18th century----same is true of the indigenous people of arabia---albeit with lots of mixing, over the centuries-----with the people they call "ABED"----from the southern half of
Africa-----based on their slave economy
Get your glasses cleaned, you old hag, they're all brown people. All arabs are brown. :biggrin:
 
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We have been over there in the ME since 1953 when Great Britain asked for US involvement.
And have accomplished nothing.
These are corporate wars.

And we are silent because we worry about not being able to not be able to get the new iphone as soon as it comes out. All the while thousands of mothers cry themselves to sleep every night.
What is this "we" shit?

"We" are not silent. "We" have been pretty damn vocal. For four years the Democratic Party was fixated on Trump.

Ya asked for nothing and ya got nothing in return.

I'm over it. You guys seem to think that you can just waltz back in now that you installed a KNOWN warhawk and get back to where we were some 12 years ago?

Oh, no.

You completely ignored that the countries that wanted Biden in power stood to profit substantially. One group of billionaires.
When was the last successful anti-war movement??

Even back during Vietnam; when the left was able to turn the tide on that war.....Nixon invaded Cambodia and next thing you know, students at Kent State and Jackson St get slaughtered.....


Apathy has long since set in on any belief that we will end wars in the ME.......would Bernie had been the one to do it?? I doubt it.....

Trump had the best chance to do it and he didn't
I would say the last successful protests were in the 90s. Protesting the School of Assassins' simply in terms of bringing it to people's attention.

We have a luxury that wasn't available before. That would be the internet. Before the 90s people had to wait for information. You read the paper and way in the back might be an article alerting people to a corporate deal.

We don't have apathy so much as a failure to stick to the issue instead of talking points provided by the media or the politicians. They get to pick the issue, frame the issue and, in doing so, obtains the answers they want. The exact same people that sit on the boards of media conglomerates are also sitting on the boards in other industries.

The tail is wagging the dog. You have to stick to the issues and force the politicians to pay attention and not allow a political party to hijack the issue.
Problem is.........tons of politicians were able to get elected into office without a commitment to bringing home troops ever being an action item they had to run on.....

And with how poorly educated voters are on the cause and effects of why we are so entangled in the Middle East; it makes it harder for them to hold anyone accountable if they are still seeing it as Red vs Blue
It wasn't even brought up in the debates.
At all........including the Democratic primaries.......

But that is by design...
 

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If we withdraw from Afghanistan with our tails between our legs we will be inviting another 9/11.
 
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"The US military has launched a strike on facilities in eastern Syria used by Iran-backed militia, in retaliation for recent rocket attacks on US troop locations in Iraq, the Pentagon said. "These strikes were authorised in response to recent attacks against American and Coalition personnel in Iraq, and to ongoing threats to those personnel," he said. While the bombing could be the first retaliatory moves by the United States following last week's attacks, Thursday's strike appeared to be limited in scope, potentially lowering the risk of escalation."

Why the fuck are we still in Iraq......why are we still in Afghanistan?? Why are we still occupying the Middle East period.....The delicate balance between Shiites and Sunnis that held across Iraq has long been destroyed and US troops have no business in the middle of a never-ending stream of proxy wars between the Saudis and Iranians....these folks live there, we don't -- they will always wait us out...and with all of the hundreds of billions of dollars of weapons we sold the Saudis; let them protect their own oil fields or hire a bunch of Erik Prince mercenary firms to do it for them.....not US troops....

I thought Trump was the person best suited to end both wars; because of the sycophancy of the GOP and their willingness to switch positions on virtually anything based on if their cult leader tells them to...but he didn't -- he just ran his mouth as usual....and now we are still just as involved in this Bush generated quagmire as ever.....and Biden DEFINITELY won't be the one to get us out -- even if he wanted to; the GOP and Democrat war hawks will switch right back to Neo-con status and talk about cutting and running and how "we gotta fight them over there to avoid fighting them here, blah blah blah".
US troops don't protect Saudi Arabia's oil fields.
US troops DO, indirectly, protect Saudi Arabia's
oil fields. -----and the international waterways in
the area, coveted by both shiites worldwide and
jihadist pigs. It is a difficult position
Iran wants to control Socotra, the Bab al Manab and the Straits of Hormuz.
Who does Iran think they are to think they can control water ways

Only imperial nations can do that....
 
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If we withdraw from Afghanistan with our tails between our legs we will be inviting another 9/11.
"tails between our legs" is how you wish to paint it.....

The families of those soldiers see their loved ones differently than you.....

What are you gaining from occupying Afghanistan for generations??


Then ask yourself what the Soviets got for it
 

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"The US military has launched a strike on facilities in eastern Syria used by Iran-backed militia, in retaliation for recent rocket attacks on US troop locations in Iraq, the Pentagon said. "These strikes were authorised in response to recent attacks against American and Coalition personnel in Iraq, and to ongoing threats to those personnel," he said. While the bombing could be the first retaliatory moves by the United States following last week's attacks, Thursday's strike appeared to be limited in scope, potentially lowering the risk of escalation."

Why the fuck are we still in Iraq......why are we still in Afghanistan?? Why are we still occupying the Middle East period.....The delicate balance between Shiites and Sunnis that held across Iraq has long been destroyed and US troops have no business in the middle of a never-ending stream of proxy wars between the Saudis and Iranians....these folks live there, we don't -- they will always wait us out...and with all of the hundreds of billions of dollars of weapons we sold the Saudis; let them protect their own oil fields or hire a bunch of Erik Prince mercenary firms to do it for them.....not US troops....

I thought Trump was the person best suited to end both wars; because of the sycophancy of the GOP and their willingness to switch positions on virtually anything based on if their cult leader tells them to...but he didn't -- he just ran his mouth as usual....and now we are still just as involved in this Bush generated quagmire as ever.....and Biden DEFINITELY won't be the one to get us out -- even if he wanted to; the GOP and Democrat war hawks will switch right back to Neo-con status and talk about cutting and running and how "we gotta fight them over there to avoid fighting them here, blah blah blah".
US troops don't protect Saudi Arabia's oil fields.
US troops DO, indirectly, protect Saudi Arabia's
oil fields. -----and the international waterways in
the area, coveted by both shiites worldwide and
jihadist pigs. It is a difficult position
Iran wants to control Socotra, the Bab al Manab and the Straits of Hormuz.
Who does Iran think they are to think they can control water ways

Only imperial nations can do that....
Iran is a terrorist nation and I am glad that we killed Soleimani.
 

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