For Shogun re Israel

[GHook93]

Why is it relevant?


It's a huge lesson in what an ACTUAL western democracy is capable of when it is not trying to preserve the superiority of any one ethnicity. Like, say, an isreal who will never concieve the possibility of an arab PM. Some people hold a giant double standard when it comes to rationalizing the new master race and state sanctioned racism in israel. SOME would like to boohoo you into another blank check despite reality.

Please none of the other Western Democracy go outside the of Christian religion or sec! How many Jews, Buddahist or Muslims have been PMs in France, Britian, Ireland, Spain, Germany, the Netherlands, Denmark, the US or Canada? 0 you say how funny. How many have been Christian! 100%. The closest we Americans have come was to voting in a Catholic (still a sec to Christianity) and we only did it once. Wow these Western Democracies are just as guilty as you say Israel is.

However, the Israeli have had many Arabs in there Parliment and even their supreme court! Arabs even sat in on Israelis first Parlimentary assembly. 12 of the 120 parliment seats are held by Arab Israeli (the is 10%!), Arabs are town mayors and there is even an Arab Supreme Court justice! How many Muslim Congressman have there been in the US? 1, through out her history and he doesn't look to be reelected!

 

[Shogun]

It matters because the ever anti-semitic Shogun uses the ever ignorant argument that Israel is racist because an Arab will never be the PM. While it is not apples to apples to compare a Jews chance of becoming the US Presidents as to an Israeli Arab becoming PM, mainly because Jews are really enemies of the state in the US and most Israeli Arabs see themselves as enemies of the state. Nevertheless the point still stands.

What you can show is that Israeli Arabs (much as like the Jewish Americans) hold other places in the Israeli government. 12 of the 120 parliment seats are held by Arab Israeli (the is 10%!), Arabs are town mayors and there is even an Arab Supreme Court justice!

Hey, Even IRAN is capable of TOKEN positions for it's population of jews. Gosh, will this keep you from demonizing iran as a nation of jew hating evil? probably not. Even when Iran's effort in putting a jew into power is as impressive as israels half-assed effort in token positions people like ghook won't hesitate to apply the labels to an arab nation. Indeed, a REAL western nation like the US has arecord of moving beyond racism. Joe Lieberman proves as much. Then again, Ghook would interpret joe's fracture with the Democrat party as liberal racism anyway so who really expects this piece of excrement from admitting anything that is neither sucking off a jew or polishing israels halo.

In fact, allow me to point out just how ignorant a zionist can be. Notice that Ghook thinks that jews are "enemies of the state" in the US while he compares the status of jews in the US with arabs in Israel in order to justify arab racism. Not only is this idea simply the goofiest ******* piece of net retardation that I've seen all day since it in no way reflects an accurate comparison (since, for one thing, we sure as **** don't see jews clustered in refugee camps outside of any major American city) but is clearly a knee jerk reaction meant to defend anything jewish despite sounding like Walt Disney making an excuse for concentration camps.


If YOU see how absolutely stupid ghook is for stating as much just imagine how far he would go in acting like a big victim in order to keep the blank check gravy train coming.

 

[Shogun]

Please none of the other Western Democracy go outside the of Christian religion or sec! How many Jews, Buddahist or Muslims have been PMs in France, Britian, Ireland, Spain, Germany, the Netherlands, Denmark, the US or Canada? 0 you say how funny. How many have been Christian! 100%. The closest we Americans have come was to voting in a Catholic (still a sec to Christianity) and we only did it once. Wow these Western Democracies are just as guilty as you say Israel is.

However, the Israeli have had many Arabs in there Parliment and even their supreme court! Arabs even sat in on Israelis first Parlimentary assembly. 12 of the 120 parliment seats are held by Arab Israeli (the is 10%!), Arabs are town mayors and there is even an Arab Supreme Court justice! How many Muslim Congressman have there been in the US? 1, through out her history and he doesn't look to be reelected!

Clearly, you are not a halo-blinded zionist zealot whose only significant concern is everything jewish. Notice that it took about 3 seconds on google to find this list of JEWISH AMERICANS IN WESTERN POLITICS. But, I guess facts are not as important as calling someone an antisemite on topics like this. Of cource, who DOEST know that wikipedia is a bastion of joo hating antisemites for DARING to host such blatant jew hating evil. There must be a muslim on the payroll, right zionist?



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YUP! CLEARLY ENEMIES OF THE ******* STATE JUST LIKE ARABS IN ISRAEL! Gosh, it's almost as if you were merely trying to RATIONALIZE racism against muslims! SAY IT AINT SO, zionist! I'm not sure if my heart can withstand such a SHOCK! Feel free to address MY evidence that you are full of shit, zionist. Or, just call me an antisemite.. whatever is closer and easier for you to reach, dude.

 

[jillian]

Awwwwwwwwwwww.... how cute... .a little list of important jews... gee wow, golly!

How long do you think a similar list of white anglo saxon protestants would be?

oh yeah, but the jews have disproportionate power... must be. dayum... it's a conspiracy!

damn jews....

But couldn't be you're rationalizing your support for terrorists, right?

Nah...couldn't be.

 

[Shogun]

since it was white anglo saxons protestants that BUILT THE ******* COUNTRY FROM GROUND UP then yes, such a list sure does make ghook's silly zionist comments a laughing farce. Can you say the same thing about Israel? no? Don't blame white people in America because your people were too busy making nests in other countries until the west could hold a jewish hand accross the street to statehood. If jews had half as significant of a history in America as Pals do in Israel you may have had a point. As it is, zionosm is as zionist knee-jerk reflexes does apparently.



Maybe YOU want to jump on his "jews are enemies of the US state" bandagon since it's traveling to "DemonizeMuslimVille"

after all, it sure is support for terrorist to point out how racist Israel is in it's jewish superiority complex, eh? of COURSE it is!


Face it, with that list above it's beyond stupid to boohoo yourself some "jews don't have as much influence as protestants so it's antisemitism to point out that an Arab will never be as Isreali PM... even though Joe Lieberman almost took seat number 2", jill.

 

[jillian]

since it was white anglo saxons protestants that BUILT THE ******* COUNTRY FROM GROUND UP then yes, such a list sure does make ghook's silly zionist comments a laughing farce. Can you say the same thing about Israel? no? Don't blame white people in America because your people were too busy making nests in other countries until the west could hold a jewish hand accross the street to statehood. If jews had half as significant of a history in America as Pals do in Israel you may have had a point. As it is, zionosm is as zionist knee-jerk reflexes does apparently.



Maybe YOU want to jump on his "jews are enemies of the US state" bandagon since it's traveling to "DemonizeMuslimVille"

after all, it sure is support for terrorist to point out how racist Israel is in it's jewish superiority complex, eh? of COURSE it is!


Face it, with that list above it's beyond stupid to boohoo yourself some "jews don't have as much influence as protestants so it's antisemitism to point out that an Arab will never be as Isreali PM... even though Joe Lieberman almost took seat number 2", jill.

Ohhhhhhhh.... so, if only the white anglo saxon protestants "built this country from the ground up", then I suppose *they* deserve to be er... *special", eh? And the damn jews only exist to disrupt the nice, pleasant place the anglos made for themselves, eh?

Again, in comparison to the anglos, Jews have had very little influence, so your point must be, what? that they should have none?

Nah...that couldn't be it.

I think you just hoisted yourself on your own petard, babe.

 

[GHook93]

Hey, Even IRAN is capable of TOKEN positions for it's population of jews. Gosh, will this keep you from demonizing iran as a nation of jew hating evil? probably not. Even when Iran's effort in putting a jew into power is as impressive as israels half-assed effort in token positions people like ghook won't hesitate to apply the labels to an arab nation. Indeed, a REAL western nation like the US has arecord of moving beyond racism.

One Jew in government thoughout the whole middle east. And I challenge you to show me were I demonized the Iranians. I demonized your hero Alamdouchebag, but not the Iranians. I honestly don't see them as an huge threat to Israel as they are portrayed. Alamdouchebag is more bark than bite. He is waging the dog when it comes to Israel to take the Iranian public's attention off the campaign promises he has delivered on - mainly the economy. It will lose the next election to the reformers. Think of what Bush has done for the Republicans.

I have pointed out that the Iran ironically the Iranian people have been the best people throughout the history of the world to the Jews. From Cyrus the Great liberating the Jews from the Assyrians and giving them semi-automny, the Persians helping the Jews retake Jerusalem from the Byzantine (for at least a short time) to the Shah and every during the Iran-Iraq war the Israelis and Iranians has secret relations.

Joe Lieberman proves as much. Then again, Ghook would interpret joe's fracture with the Democrat party as liberal racism anyway so who really expects this piece of excrement from admitting anything that is neither sucking off a jew or polishing israels halo.

Wow I haven't even thought that from the ever, but carry on!

In fact, allow me to point out just how ignorant a zionist can be. Notice that Ghook thinks that jews are "enemies of the state" in the US

I never stated that. I stated that the Jews AREN"T enemies of the state to the US, while the majority of Israeli Arabs are to Israel. Not even Israeli Arabs would deny this. So I said it was ignorant to compare the two's relationships to their respective country. But ignorance is nothing new to you.

while he compares the status of jews in the US with arabs in Israel in order to justify arab racism.

Arabs in Israel live better in Israel, then they do throughout much of the Arab world! They are more freedom in Israel then they do throughout much of the Arab world. That is a fact!

If YOU see how absolutely stupid ghook is for stating as much just imagine how far he would go in acting like a big victim in order to keep the blank check gravy train coming.

Calm down little guy. Maybe smoke a joint and relax.

 

[Shogun]

Ohhhhhhhh.... so, if only the white anglo saxon protestants "built this country from the ground up", then I suppose *they* deserve to be er... *special", eh? And the damn jews only exist to disrupt the nice, pleasant place the anglos made for themselves, eh?

Again, in comparison to the anglos, Jews have had very little influence, so your point must be, what? that they should have none.

Nah...that couldn't be it.

I think you just hoisted yourself on your own petard, babe.

Indeed, the first half of this nation's history saw white people insist on just that... YET HERE WE ARE in an actual WESTERN NATION that has moved BEYOND that racist standard by evidence of all those "enemies of the state" listed above. Does AMERICA hold an ethnic litmus test in regards to ITS politics? of course not.

It's fun watching you wrangle my statements as suggesting that jews have no influence in America. Gosh, it's almost like you feel that it is necessary to maintain the same ole victim status that allows for that blank check you enjoy for isreal, jill! Say it aint so!

I think that your opinion of where I've hoisted myself has more to do with your ethnic common denominator than it does the facts of israels state sponsored racism.

 

[Shogun]

One Jew in government thoughout the whole middle east. And I challenge you to show me were I demonized the Iranians. I demonized your hero Alamdouchebag, but not the Iranians. I honestly don't see them as an huge threat to Israel as they are portrayed. Alamdouchebag is more bark than bite. He is waging the dog when it comes to Israel to take the Iranian public's attention off the campaign promises he has delivered on - mainly the economy. It will lose the next election to the reformers. Think of what Bush has done for the Republicans.


Now, if only you will get to the point of admitting the bullshit nature of your eternal anti-arab talking points... I won't hold my breath. Indeed, it's probably TRUE that pointing at Iran in order to justify Israeli racism is NOT criticizing muslims! of COURSE! Chosen cannot be racist, right?



I have pointed out that the Iran ironically the Iranian people have been the best people throughout the history of the world to the Jews. From Cyrus the Great liberating the Jews from the Assyrians and giving them semi-automny, the Persians helping the Jews retake Jerusalem from the Byzantine (for at least a short time) to the Shah and every during the Iran-Iraq war the Israelis and Iranians has secret relations.

HAHAHA!

QUOTE for me where you've suggested such a thing! HAHAHAHAHAHA!

that's quite rich.

Wow I haven't even thought that from the ever, but carry on!

Ghook post #60
While it is not apples to apples to compare a Jews chance of becoming the US Presidents as to an Israeli Arab becoming PM, mainly because Jews are really enemies of the state in the US and most Israeli Arabs see themselves as enemies of the state.


yes, we sure do see who the LIAR is. Evidence is antisemitic, you know!




I never stated that. I stated that the Jews AREN"T enemies of the state to the US, while the majority of Israeli Arabs are to Israel. Not even Israeli Arabs would deny this. So I said it was ignorant to compare the two's relationships to their respective country. But ignorance is nothing new to you.


Scroll up brainiac. Hurry! Edit before the reflex applies the scarlet A! Israeli arabs are not enemies of the Israeli state any more than america's blacks were ENEMIES of the state while black panthers participated in the civil rights era. WE IN AMERICA see such generalization as blatant racism. Clearly, a different standard applies when jews feel the need to rationalize the actions of zion.


Arabs in Israel live better in Israel, then they do throughout much of the Arab world! They are more freedom in Israel then they do throughout much of the Arab world. That is a fact!

oh well THAT means that they should be glad to be GRANTED a lifestyle despite state sponsored racism to be sure! yea, I wonder how many white people said the same thing about blacks during the 100 years in between the emancipation proclimation and the 1960s! Hell, living in racist 1930s Mississippi is better than being slaves, right?

Face it, America is on the verge of electing a black man as its president despite our history of rationalized segregation and racism. it's too bad you can't see that far ahead in israels future to predict the same thing happening in zion. CLEARLY, im the racist here!




Calm down little guy. Maybe smoke a joint and relax.

Thats easy to say from a guy enjoying the status that his ethnicity makes possible. Gosh, I wonder if you'd say the same thing to a jew in germany circa 1945

 

[Dr Grump]

since it was white anglo saxons protestants that BUILT THE ******* COUNTRY FROM GROUND UP then yes, such a list sure does make ghook's silly zionist comments a laughing farce. Can you say the same thing about Israel? no? Don't blame white people in America because your people were too busy making nests in other countries until the west could hold a jewish hand accross the street to statehood. If jews had half as significant of a history in America as Pals do in Israel you may have had a point. As it is, zionosm is as zionist knee-jerk reflexes does apparently.

Quite a few on your list of prominent Jewish politicos were around before Israel was even a country. Also, the US has a massive population compared to Israel, so it is no surprise the list is long. As Ghook said Shogun, there are prominent arabs in Israeli society.

Look, your biggest problem with this issue is you are trying to treat Israel like the US, Canada or any other western democracy. You are comparing apples and oranges. How many European countries in the past 60 years have attacked France, or Spain, or Italy and tried to wipe them out? Ditto the US? You are trying to rationalise your warped sense of what is right by turning Israel into some sort of Jeffersonian democracy. It isn't. Bottom line? If Israel had lost the 1948, 1956, 1967 or 1973 wars it would no longer exist, and once again the Jews would be wandering various lands and getting the shit kicked out of them in some of the less enlightened countries every time there was a recession. See, the only problem with the holocaust (IMO), is that it glosses over the other atrocities against the Jews. You do realise that in eastern Europe especially every time life turned to crap pogroms were carried out - the victims being Jews. And further to my point re Israel not existing if they lost one of those wars, note they didn't do the same re all the countries they defeated. To be fair it would have been hard for them to do so, but I reckon they could have re Lebanon, Syria and Jordan especially. Egypt and Saudi would have been impossible but still, they just want to be left alone.

 

[GHook93]

One Jew in government thoughout the whole middle east. And I challenge you to show me were I demonized the Iranians. I demonized your hero Alamdouchebag, but not the Iranians. I honestly don't see them as an huge threat to Israel as they are portrayed. Alamdouchebag is more bark than bite. He is waging the dog when it comes to Israel to take the Iranian public's attention off the campaign promises he has delivered on - mainly the economy. It will lose the next election to the reformers. Think of what Bush has done for the Republicans.


Now, if only you will get to the point of admitting the bullshit nature of your eternal anti-arab talking points... I won't hold my breath. Indeed, it's probably TRUE that pointing at Iran in order to justify Israeli racism is NOT criticizing muslims! of COURSE! Chosen cannot be racist, right?



I have pointed out that the Iran ironically the Iranian people have been the best people throughout the history of the world to the Jews. From Cyrus the Great liberating the Jews from the Assyrians and giving them semi-automny, the Persians helping the Jews retake Jerusalem from the Byzantine (for at least a short time) to the Shah and every during the Iran-Iraq war the Israelis and Iranians has secret relations.

HAHAHA!

QUOTE for me where you've suggested such a thing! HAHAHAHAHAHA!

that's quite rich.

Wow I haven't even thought that from the ever, but carry on!

Ghook post #60
While it is not apples to apples to compare a Jews chance of becoming the US Presidents as to an Israeli Arab becoming PM, mainly because Jews are really enemies of the state in the US and most Israeli Arabs see themselves as enemies of the state.


yes, we sure do see who the LIAR is. Evidence is antisemitic, you know!




I never stated that. I stated that the Jews AREN"T enemies of the state to the US, while the majority of Israeli Arabs are to Israel. Not even Israeli Arabs would deny this. So I said it was ignorant to compare the two's relationships to their respective country. But ignorance is nothing new to you.


Scroll up brainiac. Hurry! Edit before the reflex applies the scarlet A! Israeli arabs are not enemies of the Israeli state any more than america's blacks were ENEMIES of the state while black panthers participated in the civil rights era. WE IN AMERICA see such generalization as blatant racism. Clearly, a different standard applies when jews feel the need to rationalize the actions of zion.


Arabs in Israel live better in Israel, then they do throughout much of the Arab world! They are more freedom in Israel then they do throughout much of the Arab world. That is a fact!

oh well THAT means that they should be glad to be GRANTED a lifestyle despite state sponsored racism to be sure! yea, I wonder how many white people said the same thing about blacks during the 100 years in between the emancipation proclimation and the 1960s! Hell, living in racist 1930s Mississippi is better than being slaves, right?

Face it, America is on the verge of electing a black man as its president despite our history of rationalized segregation and racism. it's too bad you can't see that far ahead in israels future to predict the same thing happening in zion. CLEARLY, im the racist here!




Calm down little guy. Maybe smoke a joint and relax.

Thats easy to say from a guy enjoying the status that his ethnicity makes possible. Gosh, I wonder if you'd say the same thing to a jew in germany circa 1945

http://www.usmessageboard.com/showpost.php?p=645144&postcount=51
This is what I stated in a previous post on that same thread.

Quote by GHook93:
Maybe its better to compare an Israeli Arab to an 9/11 truther who hates America. Since Israeli Arabs consider themselves enemies of the state. Why the hell would the Jew vote from one. Just as neither party Democrats or Republicans would vote for a white and Christian American that is a 9/11 Truther who openly calls for American destruction.
The American Jews are not enemies of the State, as Israel Arabs are to Israel!

In the quote you had of me I had a typo (which I corrected), but you could easily infer what I meant even with the typo!

 

[GHook93]

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Look, your biggest problem with this issue is you are trying to treat Israel like the US, Canada or any other western democracy. You are comparing apples and oranges. How many European countries in the past 60 years have attacked France, or Spain, or Italy and tried to wipe them out? Ditto the US?

God that is rich! I don't know how about GERMANY and ITALY! How one easily forgets WW II! Israel was attacked and defending themselves. Contrary to the intent of her enemies she never tried to wipe out anyone!

You are trying to rationalise your warped sense of what is right by turning Israel into some sort of Jeffersonian democracy. It isn't. Bottom line? If Israel had lost the 1948, 1956, 1967 or 1973 wars it would no longer exist, and once again the Jews would be wandering various lands and getting the shit kicked out of them in some of the less enlightened countries every time there was a recession. See, the only problem with the holocaust (IMO), is that it glosses over the other atrocities against the Jews. You do realise that in eastern Europe especially every time life turned to crap pogroms were carried out - the victims being Jews. And further to my point re Israel not existing if they lost one of those wars, note they didn't do the same re all the countries they defeated. To be fair it would have been hard for them to do so, but I reckon they could have re Lebanon, Syria and Jordan especially. Egypt and Saudi would have been impossible but still, they just want to be left alone

True

 

[Shogun]

Quite a few on your list of prominent Jewish politicos were around before Israel was even a country. Also, the US has a massive population compared to Israel, so it is no surprise the list is long. As Ghook said Shogun, there are prominent arabs in Israeli society.


There are prominant jews in Iran too. so what. Are you going to tell me that it sits well with you that israel will accept only jews in it's highest office? Can the US get away with that shit? Germany? Stop making excuses, dude. You are either for or against state-sponsored racism. Was there gray area with the holocaust? no? Then feel free to be consistent in the application of the term Western Nation. Hell, if Israel wants to admit that it is no better in dealing with it's minorities than Saudi Arabia then so be it. At least, then, they will be honest about their motivation to keep jews superior in Israel rather than bounce back and forth accross the "Western" line when it suits the zionism.




Look, your biggest problem with this issue is you are trying to treat Israel like the US, Canada or any other western democracy. You are comparing apples and oranges. How many European countries in the past 60 years have attacked France, or Spain, or Italy and tried to wipe them out? Ditto the US? You are trying to rationalise your warped sense of what is right by turning Israel into some sort of Jeffersonian democracy. It isn't. Bottom line? If Israel had lost the 1948, 1956, 1967 or 1973 wars it would no longer exist, and once again the Jews would be wandering various lands and getting the shit kicked out of them in some of the less enlightened countries every time there was a recession. See, the only problem with the holocaust (IMO), is that it glosses over the other atrocities against the Jews. You do realise that in eastern Europe especially every time life turned to crap pogroms were carried out - the victims being Jews. And further to my point re Israel not existing if they lost one of those wars, note they didn't do the same re all the countries they defeated. To be fair it would have been hard for them to do so, but I reckon they could have re Lebanon, Syria and Jordan especially. Egypt and Saudi would have been impossible but still, they just want to be left alone.



don't give me this apples to oranges shit for an excuse. What is horrible for Germany and early US is still horrible for jews even if they really, REALLY want to rationalize treating arabs less than human. Hell, Palestine could take the SAME excuse you just tossed out to israel in validating another ten years of kassam rockets. All of a sudden it's not the same anymore, eh? If israel refuses to act like the rest of us in our western nations then we can always treat em like any other demonized mid eastern country saturated with dogma before law, racism before equality. The struggle to CARVE out a nation isn't an excuse to marginalize an entire population there any more than it is here. It's both sad and hilarious what you people will sweep under the rug for the sake of the new master race.

For christs ******* sake, we don't use the excuse of the civil war and it's impact on the US as the main reason to treat blacks like shit. Yet, here you are using every war israel has ever participated in to increase it's land squated per jew ratio as a rationalized excuse to VALIDATE the racism of a jewish litmus test for PM. Funny how easy it is to become the modern walt disney, eh?

Also, I realize that it sounds good while wielding the zionist sword but more people were killed in the Holocaust than jews. Not that we'd validate gays and gypsies carving a nation out of another nation of people..

Finally, we ALL agree that the holocaust was horrible. Tell me, at what point do a persecuted people attain the right to shit on ANOTHER population in order to insist upon the same ethnic purity that the Aryan nazi's wanted? You may wanna go ahead and label the irony with a giant scarlet A. As it is, it's laughable to rationalize a double standard on racism due to the history of jews in other nations. Boofuckinghoo. 1945 was a ***** for a LOT of people. In 2004 where a jew can come very close to assuming the second most powerful role in the entire world your excuses fall flat on their asses.

 

[Shogun]

http://www.usmessageboard.com/showpost.php?p=645144&postcount=51
This is what I stated in a previous post on that same thread.



In the quote you had of me I had a typo (which I corrected), but you could easily infer what I meant even with the typo!

HA!

typo. of course.

Indeed, it speaks volumes that you see israeli arabs as an enemy of the state of israel. I could post articles conveying the growing anti-arab racism in israel (as I already have on this forum) but im sure your team jersey would require a justification for that as well.. AFTER calling my sources an antisemite, of course. Even though they were wiki and major news organizations... life is antisemitic, you know.



Gosh, I wonder if any whites had the same opinion of blacks pre-civil rights era..


and no, were I to put words in your mouth the next thing I know i'd be accused of trying to throw you down a well. Thanks, anyway.

 

[Shogun]

God that is rich! I don't know how about GERMANY and ITALY! How one easily forgets WW II! Israel was attacked and defending themselves. Contrary to the intent of her enemies she never tried to wipe out anyone!

HA!

yea... just like Germany was attacked for defending itself in a conquered poland!

Indeed, every day in Palestine we see just how much israel wants to be left alone... I'm not sure which proves it more.. the 'dozing of refugee camps to make way for imported jews or the herd of refugees behind a modern aparthied wall. Gosh, for a nation that just wants to be left alone they sure did have a lot to say about pals crossing a border from EGYPT into PAL! Hell, most western nations tend to treat an entire population like shit because a sample acts criminally.... Heck, there sure was a scourge of jewish deaths following the conviction of the Julius and Ethel, wasn't there? Every 60s era black panther with a molitov cocktail srue did validate keeping blacks on the farm where they couldn't howl at white chicks like emmet till, eh buddy?


Some people are probably glad that you allow such atrocity in Israel.. No, not your fellow zionists.. rather the actual antisemites that will be relieved to know that they will never have to deal with a jewish president considering your justification of an israeli ethnic litmus test.


Chears!



True

 

[Dr Grump]

God that is rich! I don't know how about GERMANY and ITALY! How one easily forgets WW II! Israel was attacked and defending themselves. Contrary to the intent of her enemies she never tried to wipe out anyone!:

Hook my man, you need to read a post properly and THEN answer. Note I said "in the last 60 years". Now, using my prowess as an outstanding mathmetician (sarcasm), I reckon 60 years ago was 1948. Using my even more exceptional intellect regarding history, I reckon WWII was from 1939-1945 (unless you are one of that ethnocentric Yanks who think WWII started in 1941..:O) ) Therefore Italy and Germany were doing bugger-all regarding invading other countries from 1948 onwards...unless you care to rewrite history??

I know Israel was defending itself. That was my point...;O)

 

[GHook93]

There are prominant jews in Iran too. so what. Are you going to tell me that it sits well with you that israel will accept only jews in it's highest office?

One prominent Jew in the whole country! Yep that is prominance. How many Arabs are in the Persian government? 0! What respect to their Muslim brothers.

Can the US get away with that shit? Germany? Stop making excuses, dude. You are either for or against state-sponsored racism. Was there gray area with the holocaust? no? Then feel free to be consistent in the application of the term Western Nation

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What shit! An Arab can be voted in to the PM of Israeli, yet they don't. Same reason Germany, France, US, Britian or Spain has never voted in a non-Christian as their President/PM!

Hell, if Israel wants to admit that it is no better in dealing with it's minorities than Saudi Arabia then so be it.

Here is racism for you. Israeli is installing affirmative action for Ethiopian Black Immigrants!
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?:rolleyes: cid=1202657415169&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

More than two decades after Ethiopian Jewry began immigrating to Israel, the government approved Sunday a NIS 870 million affirmative action plan - the first of its kind - designed to combat the community's chronic unemployment and low pay and to encourage education and integration in mainstream society.

Demonstrating for Ethiopians' rights, November 2006. This group poses the most difficult absorption challenges.
Photo: Ariel Jerozolimski
A total of NIS 82.5m. will be invested in the first year of the five-year program, which was conceived and planned in conjunction with members of the Ethiopian community.

"Past piecemeal attempts to help Ethiopians later failed," said Gadi Yavarkon, chairman of Ethiopian Jewry's Resistance Headquarters. Yavarkon, an activist that has organized demonstrations protesting racial discrimination against Ethiopians, was part of the team that prepared the blueprint for the plan.

"This proves that the patronizing attitude of 'we know what's best' [and of] exclusion of Ethiopians from the planning and implementation was totally misguided."

The Immigration and Absorption Ministry will be responsible for implementing and overseeing the plan, which aims to "right some of the wrongs suffered by Ethiopian Jewry over the years," said Immigration and Absorption Minister Ya'acov Edri.

Some of the goals include:

Increasing the number of Ethiopians who obtain higher education via state-sponsored tutoring.
Increasing the number of high school graduates with matriculation. Presently, only 38 percent of Ethiopian high school graduates receive full matriculation.
Increasing housing aid to young couples so as to help them find housing in socioeconomically desirable neighborhoods. Today, a quarter of Ethiopian Jewry is concentrated in 15 cities. Housing grants will be increased by 40% from the present average of NIS 300,000.
Providing vocational training to Ethiopians. Employment among Ethiopians aged 18 to 35 is 49.6%, much lower than the national average of 59%.
Encouraging military service. Although a disproportionately high percentage of Ethiopian youth enlists in the IDF, there is also a high dropout rate.

Finally, we ALL agree that the holocaust was horrible.

I doubt you do, if you even believe it at all!

Tell me, at what point do a persecuted people attain the right to shit on ANOTHER population in order to insist upon the same ethnic purity that the Aryan nazi's wanted?

Ethnic purity! God your a moron! What do the Palestinians want, for sure as hell not leaving next to a Jew. Why don't you ever cry for the 850K-1 mil Jews that were expelled from all the Arab countries. If Israel didn't exist they would have nowhere to go.

 

[Shogun]

One prominent Jew in the whole country! Yep that is prominance. How many Arabs are in the Persian government? 0! What respect to their Muslim brothers.

As opposed to how many arabs in line for isreali PM? Again, it keeps being funny every time you cry about the pot being black despite your kettle darkness. Hey, don't let that keep you from demonizing muslims though! It's probably not obvious by now how quick you are with your version of a ****** joke.

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What shit! An Arab can be voted in to the PM of Israeli, yet they don't. Same reason Germany, France, US, Britian or Spain has never voted in a non-Christian as their President/PM!


HA!

yea, SUUUUUUUUUURE they can. Is this where you conveniently bounce to the idea that being jewish is a religious identity instead of an ethnic identity? Hell, theoretically, blacks could have ran for president in 1925 too. But that hardly reflects the RACISM rampant in the US, does it? Indeed, neither will baiting and switching ethnicity with religion. Face it, you are defending a racist state on the basis of your common ethnicity. If you were white I'd be allowed to call you a racist for that very behaviour. Thankfully, the new master race is above all that.


Here is racism for you. Israeli is installing affirmative action for Ethiopian Black Immigrants!
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?:rolleyes: cid=1202657415169&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull


First off. Learn to post a link.

Second, are these BLACK JEWS or just blacks? Gosh, the devil is always in the details, isnt it? But, hey, at least you tried to be a shiesty ************, right?

More than two decades after Ethiopian Jewry began immigrating to Israel, the government approved Sunday a NIS 870 million affirmative action plan - the first of its kind - designed to combat the community's chronic unemployment and low pay and to encourage education and integration in mainstream society.


SHOCKER.. jews supporting only jews while there is a population of starving people right outside the aparthied wall. It's almost as SHOCKING as how you try to suggest an affirmative action for blacks.... yet forget to mention that this is only applied to black JEWS... imported in order to stock up on that competing birth rate, no less. Gee, I wonder how many bulldozed pals it will take to facilitate THAT import! Yes, you were totally NOT a sheisty ************ when hoping that no one would pay close attention to your source.

good ******* grief, dude.



I doubt you do, if you even believe it at all!

I care what you think! really! Impressing a jew is my main goal in life and I just can't WAIT to jump through hoops proving it!




Ethnic purity! God your a moron! What do the Palestinians want, for sure as hell not leaving next to a Jew. Why don't you ever cry for the 850K-1 mil Jews that were expelled from all the Arab countries. If Israel didn't exist they would have nowhere to go.



Pals want their ******* homeland back. It's pretty simple, really. Just like Poland after germany invaded. I know, it's a ******* mind-blower! And yes, jews could go BACK to the very nations that they have been imported from for the sake of winning the birthrate war. America is not purging jews. Europe is not purging jews. Hell, even IRANIAN JEWS REFUSED TO COME TO ISRAEL AND CALLED THE ZIONISTS ******* LIARS ABOUT THEIR STATUS IN IRAN.

But don't let facts like that keep you from crying giant crocodile tears and calling anyone an antisemite if they are not quick to drop to their knees and suck some jewish dick.

and yes, ETHNIC PURITY..


Apparently, the only way israel will import blacks is, drum roll please, they are black JEWS! indeed, ethnic ******* purity, you hebrew racist.

 

[GHook93]

One prominent Jew in the whole country! Yep that is prominance. How many Arabs are in the Persian government? 0! What respect to their Muslim brothers.

As opposed to how many arabs in line for isreali PM? Again, it keeps being funny every time you cry about the pot being black despite your kettle darkness. Hey, don't let that keep you from demonizing muslims though! It's probably not obvious by now how quick you are with your version of a ****** joke.

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What shit! An Arab can be voted in to the PM of Israeli, yet they don't. Same reason Germany, France, US, Britian or Spain has never voted in a non-Christian as their President/PM!


HA!

yea, SUUUUUUUUUURE they can. Is this where you conveniently bounce to the idea that being jewish is a religious identity instead of an ethnic identity? Hell, theoretically, blacks could have ran for president in 1925 too. But that hardly reflects the RACISM rampant in the US, does it? Indeed, neither will baiting and switching ethnicity with religion. Face it, you are defending a racist state on the basis of your common ethnicity. If you were white I'd be allowed to call you a racist for that very behaviour. Thankfully, the new master race is above all that.


Here is racism for you. Israeli is installing affirmative action for Ethiopian Black Immigrants!
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?:rolleyes: cid=1202657415169&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull


First off. Learn to post a link.

Second, are these BLACK JEWS or just blacks? Gosh, the devil is always in the details, isnt it? But, hey, at least you tried to be a shiesty ************, right?

More than two decades after Ethiopian Jewry began immigrating to Israel, the government approved Sunday a NIS 870 million affirmative action plan - the first of its kind - designed to combat the community's chronic unemployment and low pay and to encourage education and integration in mainstream society.


SHOCKER.. jews supporting only jews while there is a population of starving people right outside the aparthied wall. It's almost as SHOCKING as how you try to suggest an affirmative action for blacks.... yet forget to mention that this is only applied to black JEWS... imported in order to stock up on that competing birth rate, no less. Gee, I wonder how many bulldozed pals it will take to facilitate THAT import! Yes, you were totally NOT a sheisty ************ when hoping that no one would pay close attention to your source.

good ******* grief, dude.



I doubt you do, if you even believe it at all!

I care what you think! really! Impressing a jew is my main goal in life and I just can't WAIT to jump through hoops proving it!




Ethnic purity! God your a moron! What do the Palestinians want, for sure as hell not leaving next to a Jew. Why don't you ever cry for the 850K-1 mil Jews that were expelled from all the Arab countries. If Israel didn't exist they would have nowhere to go.



Pals want their ******* homeland back. It's pretty simple, really. Just like Poland after germany invaded. I know, it's a ******* mind-blower! And yes, jews could go BACK to the very nations that they have been imported from for the sake of winning the birthrate war. America is not purging jews. Europe is not purging jews. Hell, even IRANIAN JEWS REFUSED TO COME TO ISRAEL AND CALLED THE ZIONISTS ******* LIARS ABOUT THEIR STATUS IN IRAN.

But don't let facts like that keep you from crying giant crocodile tears and calling anyone an antisemite if they are not quick to drop to their knees and suck some jewish dick.

and yes, ETHNIC PURITY..


Apparently, the only way israel will import blacks is, drum roll please, they are black JEWS! indeed, ethnic ******* purity, you hebrew racist.

Man I can't even deal with you! You are way to ignorant, arrogant and bigoted. Consider yourself on my permanent ignore list. And lastly you can go **** yourself!

 

[Shogun]

Man I can't even deal with you! You are way to ignorant, arrogant and bigoted. Consider yourself on my permanent ignore list. And lastly you can go **** yourself!

oh NOOOOEZ! a zionist jew who couldn't argue his way out of a wet paper sack beyond tossing out the Scarlet A is putting me on his ignore list!

wat evr wil I dooooo!





This must be why pussies like you resort to the reflex label reaction instead of proving your point. If I were an arab im sure you'd be calling me a terrorist that east jewish babies by now.


Good riddance, puss.