For once Democrats are right: Parents are NOT the clients of public schools

[Seymour Flops]

(The Center Square) – A weekend Facebook post by the Michigan Democratic Party ignited a hailstorm of criticism, prompting the party to eventually delete the comment early Monday afternoon.

“Not sure where this ‘parents-should-control-what-is-taught-in-schools-because-they-are-our-kids’ is originating, but parents do have the option to choose to send their kids to a hand-selected private school at their own expense if this is what they desire,” the deleted post read.

It continued: “The purpose of a public education in a public school is not to teach kids only what parents want them to be taught. It is to teach them what society needs them to know. The client of the public school is not the parent, but the entire community, the public[.]”

Michigan Democratic Party deletes post claiming parents aren’t ‘client of the public school’

(The Center Square) – A weekend Facebook post by the Michigan Democratic Party ignited a hailstorm of criticism, prompting the party to eventually delete the comment early Monday afternoon.

www.thecentersquare.com

They deleted that post, not because it was false, but because it was too honestly true. The client is always the one who is paying, and for public schools, that does not mean parents. Parents pay for public schools only in so far as they are taxpayers like most other people. People on welfare who may have never filed a tax return except to get a "refundable tax credit," send their kids to public school just like two middle-class parents who are shocked at the bite their local school district takes in property taxes.

The first "public schools" were funded by factory owners and guess what? The schools taught what factory owners needed the next generation to learn. Basic math and reading, of course, but mainly how to follow a schedule, follow rules and follow directions. How to tolerate eight hours a day in a crowded building with few breaks. Then they lobbies local officials to use taxes to pay for the schools that they needed.

Parent do not provide the sole funding for public schools so they cannot expect to have the sole say in what is taught. What the community pays for is children who grow up to be educated in the way that best meets the needs of the community. Parents are the sole providers of the raw product, i.e. the children to be processed through the community education center.

Don't like that? Send your kids to private school, or a small town public district that you can have some political pull with. Because even though the "community" pays the taxes that run the schools, decisions are made through political pull. In the big cities, the teachers unions finance their own school board candidates. So don't be surprised if school boards seem more interested in pleasing teacher unions than in educating your kids the way you want them educated.

 

[Damaged Eagle]

That sounds very Democratic of you and the public school system

Can you heel and roll over for the system also?

*****SMILE*****

 

[Rambunctious]

Zoom school may save the day...because for the first time parents were able to sit in the classrooms of public schools...and they don't like what they saw....this spreads across party line...democrat parents were shocked to see the curriculum....

 

[Seymour Flops]

View attachment 590249

That sounds very Democratic of you and the public school system

Can you heel and roll over for the system also?

*****SMILE*****

You misunderstand my post, if you believe it is in support of public schools.

To expect the "public school system," to be anything other than a political indoctrination system is naive. If government pays for an "education system," of course it will be used for propaganda.

Our public schools were serviceable through the fifties and early sixties, but shamefully segregated. Unfortunately, the socialists adopted the cause of desegregation, so with desegregation came left-wing ideology as a replacement for education.

In reality, our schools are about as segregated as they were in the fifties, but not nearly as effective at producing educated white children and educated black children.

 

[FA_Q2]

Zoom school may save the day...because for the first time parents were able to sit in the classrooms of public schools...and they don't like what they saw....this spreads across party line...democrat parents were shocked to see the curriculum....

I am not so sure it was the content that was the problem over the general incompetency displayed of the entire system. I know the problems here I have with the school system is that they showed exactly what was important to them and it was not the education. Education was dropped in a hot second and the schools became little more than a food bank here. And it continues to this day.

 

[Augustine_]

(The Center Square) – A weekend Facebook post by the Michigan Democratic Party ignited a hailstorm of criticism, prompting the party to eventually delete the comment early Monday afternoon.

“Not sure where this ‘parents-should-control-what-is-taught-in-schools-because-they-are-our-kids’ is originating, but parents do have the option to choose to send their kids to a hand-selected private school at their own expense if this is what they desire,” the deleted post read.

It continued: “The purpose of a public education in a public school is not to teach kids only what parents want them to be taught. It is to teach them what society needs them to know. The client of the public school is not the parent, but the entire community, the public[.]”

Michigan Democratic Party deletes post claiming parents aren’t ‘client of the public school’

(The Center Square) – A weekend Facebook post by the Michigan Democratic Party ignited a hailstorm of criticism, prompting the party to eventually delete the comment early Monday afternoon.

www.thecentersquare.com

They deleted that post, not because it was false, but because it was too honestly true. The client is always the one who is paying, and for public schools, that does not mean parents. Parents pay for public schools only in so far as they are taxpayers like most other people. People on welfare who may have never filed a tax return except to get a "refundable tax credit," send their kids to public school just like two middle-class parents who are shocked at the bite their local school district takes in property taxes.

The first "public schools" were funded by factory owners and guess what? The schools taught what factory owners needed the next generation to learn. Basic math and reading, of course, but mainly how to follow a schedule, follow rules and follow directions. How to tolerate eight hours a day in a crowded building with few breaks. Then they lobbies local officials to use taxes to pay for the schools that they needed.

Parent do not provide the sole funding for public schools so they cannot expect to have the sole say in what is taught. What the community pays for is children who grow up to be educated in the way that best meets the needs of the community. Parents are the sole providers of the raw product, i.e. the children to be processed through the community education center.

Don't like that? Send your kids to private school, or a small town public district that you can have some political pull with. Because even though the "community" pays the taxes that run the schools, decisions are made through political pull. In the big cities, the teachers unions finance their own school board candidates. So don't be surprised if school boards seem more interested in pleasing teacher unions than in educating your kids the way you want them educated.

Schools are daycare. That's their most important function. Second is to indoctrinate the youth to accept being coerced to work in the system to survive for the rest of their lives. Which, of course, will make them need a daycare for their own kids. What they're taught in school doesn't matter, except to politicians trying to cement themselves into the oligarchy.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Schools are daycare. That's their most important function. Second is to indoctrinate the youth to accept being coerced to work in the system to survive for the rest of their lives. Which, of course, will make them need a daycare for their own kids. What they're taught in school doesn't matter, except to politicians trying to cement themselves into the oligarchy.

Yes, very true about the baby sitting. Again, it plays right into the hands of the needs of employers.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

(The Center Square) – A weekend Facebook post by the Michigan Democratic Party ignited a hailstorm of criticism, prompting the party to eventually delete the comment early Monday afternoon.

“Not sure where this ‘parents-should-control-what-is-taught-in-schools-because-they-are-our-kids’ is originating, but parents do have the option to choose to send their kids to a hand-selected private school at their own expense if this is what they desire,” the deleted post read.

It continued: “The purpose of a public education in a public school is not to teach kids only what parents want them to be taught. It is to teach them what society needs them to know. The client of the public school is not the parent, but the entire community, the public[.]”

Michigan Democratic Party deletes post claiming parents aren’t ‘client of the public school’

(The Center Square) – A weekend Facebook post by the Michigan Democratic Party ignited a hailstorm of criticism, prompting the party to eventually delete the comment early Monday afternoon.

www.thecentersquare.com

They deleted that post, not because it was false, but because it was too honestly true. The client is always the one who is paying, and for public schools, that does not mean parents. Parents pay for public schools only in so far as they are taxpayers like most other people. People on welfare who may have never filed a tax return except to get a "refundable tax credit," send their kids to public school just like two middle-class parents who are shocked at the bite their local school district takes in property taxes.

The first "public schools" were funded by factory owners and guess what? The schools taught what factory owners needed the next generation to learn. Basic math and reading, of course, but mainly how to follow a schedule, follow rules and follow directions. How to tolerate eight hours a day in a crowded building with few breaks. Then they lobbies local officials to use taxes to pay for the schools that they needed.

Parent do not provide the sole funding for public schools so they cannot expect to have the sole say in what is taught. What the community pays for is children who grow up to be educated in the way that best meets the needs of the community. Parents are the sole providers of the raw product, i.e. the children to be processed through the community education center.

Don't like that? Send your kids to private school, or a small town public district that you can have some political pull with. Because even though the "community" pays the taxes that run the schools, decisions are made through political pull. In the big cities, the teachers unions finance their own school board candidates. So don't be surprised if school boards seem more interested in pleasing teacher unions than in educating your kids the way you want them educated.

About 90% of the funding of public schools comes from STATE property taxes. Your statement is grossly incorrect.

Apparently you know more about educational history than you do anything else related to public education, which is very little. The first schools in the US were funded by various groups. There were no factories, so your belief that factories established schools is some education bashers fantasy.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You misunderstand my post, if you believe it is in support of public schools.

To expect the "public school system," to be anything other than a political indoctrination system is naive. If government pays for an "education system," of course it will be used for propaganda.

Our public schools were serviceable through the fifties and early sixties, but shamefully segregated. Unfortunately, the socialists adopted the cause of desegregation, so with desegregation came left-wing ideology as a replacement for education.

In reality, our schools are about as segregated as they were in the fifties, but not nearly as effective at producing educated white children and educated black children.

Really? How old are you? I am 61 years old and attended school in the late 60s and 70s, with college in the 80s.

Our educational product today, such as my children and grandchildren, have a far superior education than what I had.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Really? How old are you? I am 61 years old and attended school in the late 60s and 70s, with college in the 80s.

I am 59 years old, 60 in May, so I was right behind you.

Our educational product today, such as my children and grandchildren, have a far superior education than what I had.

I went to an inner city junior high, Lanier Junior in the heart of Houston. It was evenly divided among blacks, whites and Hispanics, with a few Asians at the beginning of the influx of Vietnamese. I was expected to learn math, science, and rhetoric, not equity, gender studies and propaganda.

I work in public schools and their performance compared to America in the fifties, sixties and seventies and to other countries in the present day is shameful.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I am 59 years old, 60 in May, so I was right behind you.

I went to an inner city junior high, Lanier Junior in the heart of Houston. It was evenly divided among blacks, whites and Hispanics, with a few Asians at the beginning of the influx of Vietnamese. I was expected to learn math, science, and rhetoric, not equity, gender studies and propaganda.

I work in public schools and their performance compared to America in the fifties, sixties and seventies and to other countries in the present day is shameful.

I was a teacher for 21 years before I retired in 2018. I taught in city schools, inner city schools, suburban schools, rural schools and even a military dependents high school. I disagree with your assessment as none of that crap was ever taught in my schools, which were in 7 districts in two states.

 

[Stryder50]

You misunderstand my post, if you believe it is in support of public schools.

To expect the "public school system," to be anything other than a political indoctrination system is naive. If government pays for an "education system," of course it will be used for propaganda.

Our public schools were serviceable through the fifties and early sixties, but shamefully segregated. Unfortunately, the socialists adopted the cause of desegregation, so with desegregation came left-wing ideology as a replacement for education.

In reality, our schools are about as segregated as they were in the fifties, but not nearly as effective at producing educated white children and educated black children.

Government doesn't really pay for anything. It steals from wealth creators and "redistributes" the productivity of others. It isn't so much a matter of "government" as it is the infiltration and domination of socialists in the ranks of teachers and administrators.

 

[Seymour Flops]

I was a teacher for 21 years before I retired in 2018. I taught in city schools, inner city schools, suburban schools, rural schools and even a military dependents high school. I disagree with your assessment as none of that crap was ever taught in my schools, which were in 7 districts in two states.

I find that surprising. If you had said that you taught for 30 to 40 years, it would make sense. But teaching twenty-one years, before retiring at 58 implies fifteen to twenty years of working in the real world. Or were you working another government job?

If you worked that much time in the real world, you would know that if any business ever performed as our public schools do, they would have been out of business. If any teacher had the attitude that many public school teachers have, they would have been shit-canned pronto in the real world.

 

[Woodznutz]

(The Center Square) – A weekend Facebook post by the Michigan Democratic Party ignited a hailstorm of criticism, prompting the party to eventually delete the comment early Monday afternoon.

“Not sure where this ‘parents-should-control-what-is-taught-in-schools-because-they-are-our-kids’ is originating, but parents do have the option to choose to send their kids to a hand-selected private school at their own expense if this is what they desire,” the deleted post read.

It continued: “The purpose of a public education in a public school is not to teach kids only what parents want them to be taught. It is to teach them what society needs them to know. The client of the public school is not the parent, but the entire community, the public[.]”

Michigan Democratic Party deletes post claiming parents aren’t ‘client of the public school’

(The Center Square) – A weekend Facebook post by the Michigan Democratic Party ignited a hailstorm of criticism, prompting the party to eventually delete the comment early Monday afternoon.

www.thecentersquare.com

They deleted that post, not because it was false, but because it was too honestly true. The client is always the one who is paying, and for public schools, that does not mean parents. Parents pay for public schools only in so far as they are taxpayers like most other people. People on welfare who may have never filed a tax return except to get a "refundable tax credit," send their kids to public school just like two middle-class parents who are shocked at the bite their local school district takes in property taxes.

The first "public schools" were funded by factory owners and guess what? The schools taught what factory owners needed the next generation to learn. Basic math and reading, of course, but mainly how to follow a schedule, follow rules and follow directions. How to tolerate eight hours a day in a crowded building with few breaks. Then they lobbies local officials to use taxes to pay for the schools that they needed.

Parent do not provide the sole funding for public schools so they cannot expect to have the sole say in what is taught. What the community pays for is children who grow up to be educated in the way that best meets the needs of the community. Parents are the sole providers of the raw product, i.e. the children to be processed through the community education center.

Don't like that? Send your kids to private school, or a small town public district that you can have some political pull with. Because even though the "community" pays the taxes that run the schools, decisions are made through political pull. In the big cities, the teachers unions finance their own school board candidates. So don't be surprised if school boards seem more interested in pleasing teacher unions than in educating your kids the way you want them educated.

So, are the basic needs of society being met? What are those needs?

 

[Seymour Flops]

So, are the basic needs of society being met? What are those needs?

No, not at all.

I see where I may have confused you. Instead of saying:

What the community pays for is children who grow up to be educated in the way that best meets the needs of the community.

I should have said:

What the community intends to pay for is children who grow up to be educated in the way that best meets the needs of the community.

Apologize! I type faster than most people can think.

 

[westwall]

Really? How old are you? I am 61 years old and attended school in the late 60s and 70s, with college in the 80s.

Our educational product today, such as my children and grandchildren, have a far superior education than what I had.

I find that assertion absurd. The high school education now is a farce. It is so bad I sent my daughter to a Swiss boarding school where she actually WILL get a quality education.

 

[Woodznutz]

No, not at all.

I see where I may have confused you. Instead of saying:



I should have said:



Apologize! I type faster than most people can think.

So if I made list of society's needs our educational system would be addressing those needs?

Does society need better dental health, or more dentists (understanding that bad oral health also requires employment in the entire medical field)?

 

[Woodznutz]

(The Center Square) – A weekend Facebook post by the Michigan Democratic Party ignited a hailstorm of criticism, prompting the party to eventually delete the comment early Monday afternoon.

“Not sure where this ‘parents-should-control-what-is-taught-in-schools-because-they-are-our-kids’ is originating, but parents do have the option to choose to send their kids to a hand-selected private school at their own expense if this is what they desire,” the deleted post read.

It continued: “The purpose of a public education in a public school is not to teach kids only what parents want them to be taught. It is to teach them what society needs them to know. The client of the public school is not the parent, but the entire community, the public[.]”

Michigan Democratic Party deletes post claiming parents aren’t ‘client of the public school’

(The Center Square) – A weekend Facebook post by the Michigan Democratic Party ignited a hailstorm of criticism, prompting the party to eventually delete the comment early Monday afternoon.

www.thecentersquare.com

They deleted that post, not because it was false, but because it was too honestly true. The client is always the one who is paying, and for public schools, that does not mean parents. Parents pay for public schools only in so far as they are taxpayers like most other people. People on welfare who may have never filed a tax return except to get a "refundable tax credit," send their kids to public school just like two middle-class parents who are shocked at the bite their local school district takes in property taxes.

The first "public schools" were funded by factory owners and guess what? The schools taught what factory owners needed the next generation to learn. Basic math and reading, of course, but mainly how to follow a schedule, follow rules and follow directions. How to tolerate eight hours a day in a crowded building with few breaks. Then they lobbies local officials to use taxes to pay for the schools that they needed.

Parent do not provide the sole funding for public schools so they cannot expect to have the sole say in what is taught. What the community pays for is children who grow up to be educated in the way that best meets the needs of the community. Parents are the sole providers of the raw product, i.e. the children to be processed through the community education center.

Don't like that? Send your kids to private school, or a small town public district that you can have some political pull with. Because even though the "community" pays the taxes that run the schools, decisions are made through political pull. In the big cities, the teachers unions finance their own school board candidates. So don't be surprised if school boards seem more interested in pleasing teacher unions than in educating your kids the way you want them educated.

So "shut up and drink the Kool Aid". Very cynical opinion.

 

[Seymour Flops]

So if I made list of society's needs our educational system would be addressing those needs?

Does society need better dental health, or more dentists (understanding that bad oral health also requires employment in the entire medical field)?

I think you are completely misunderstanding my post, but now it seems willful.

If you made a list of society's needs, I would look at them and say, "those are wants."

"Needs" is a phony concept. It's a way for one group of people to pressure another group of people to give them things.

"Give me your money so I can build a school for my kids!"

"Why should I give you my money, just because you want a school for your kids?"

"No, no. My kids need a school!"

Am I really supposed to say, "Oh, that's different, who do I make the blank check out to?"

 

[Calypso Jones]

Our educational product today, such as my children and grandchildren, have a far superior education than what I had.

though it is evident much of your education was lost on you, at least your education was BETTER than what you children received and your grandkids education is SORELY lacking.