For all you hardliners who blame Fentanyl deaths on the person who OD-ed.

[Grumblenuts]

FIO from a third party who is an ultra smart man .

".You can kill yourself with opioids over-the-counter now, buying them at the grocery store or minimart under the name Za-Za or Tianaa, aka gas station heroin. It is a 46 billion dollar industry killing people right and left, but our vaunted FDA is doing. . . nothing, of course. There are existing laws against this, but no one at any level— Justice, FBI, attorneys general, or DAs—are doing anything about it. Why? ---- "

You don't need prompting to know the answer

The active ingredient in both is tianeptine. A long studied mild opiate with good and bad indications.

Tianeptine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Seems desperate people take a crapload at once just to get high then suffer withdrawal symptoms and liver damage after prolonged use. Pot seems generally a better choice, but it may be just the ticket for some mental illness sufferers sensing a coming crisis or panic attack. Might even help Mr. Stiffy stand and salute again. Ban it from OTC? Tough call.

 

[Markle]

She should try to control her use.

 

[Markle]

Did you know the same pharmaceutical company that manufactures fentanyl also manufactures narcan?

Did you know it's 10X's morphine, and they're working on it being 100X's?

~S~

As you know, the fentanyl causing 100,000 deaths is not manufactured in America. The raw chemicals are manufactured in China those are shipped to Mexico where the drug cartels manufacture the pills and smuggle them into America.

The issue is not a pharmaceutical company in America, the problem is our Southern Border across which this poison is flooding.

These are not manufactured by any pharmaceutical company in the US. They are made in Mexico.

 

[Markle]

This young female cop just TOUCHED a rolled up dollar bill with traces of Fentanyl. She was on the ground dying within a couple of minutes. She would have been dead had the other officers not immediately adminstered 3 doses of Narcan. Now do you get it?

Police save fellow officer from fentanyl overdose during traffic stop in Florida

A Florida police officer is recovering from a fentanyl overdose during a traffic stop in Tavares. And she's thanking her fellow officers for saving her life.

wwmt.com

Well, it is true she was dying.

She touched rolled-up bills but, she was wearing gloves. She was driving when the dispatcher noted her irregular breathing and other signs and called emergency rescue to her location. It is believed that the fentanyl was blown in her face or inhaled from the bills. In my opinion, that is the attempted murder of a police officer.

Waiting for EMTs to arrive, her fellow officers administered three doses of Narcan.

 

[Markle]

ALWAYS wear gloves when searching a suspect or handling evidence.

Cop 101.

She was.

 

[Markle]

There is no rational scientific basis to blame this on fentanyl.

 

[Batcat]

She should try to control her use.

That might qualify as

because it sure isn’t funny.

 

[Batcat]

This young female cop just TOUCHED a rolled up dollar bill with traces of Fentanyl. She was on the ground dying within a couple of minutes. She would have been dead had the other officers not immediately adminstered 3 doses of Narcan. Now do you get it?

Police save fellow officer from fentanyl overdose during traffic stop in Florida

A Florida police officer is recovering from a fentanyl overdose during a traffic stop in Tavares. And she's thanking her fellow officers for saving her life.

wwmt.com

Why would drug dealers sell a drug that kills off their customers. Sounds counterproductive to me.

 

[Markle]

Fentanyl deaths skyrocketed during Trump's presidency.

The border has nothing to do with it.

That's just goofy, and desperate.

 

[sparky]

The issue is not a pharmaceutical company in America,

really?
then why are they being sued Mark?

~S~

 

[Batcat]

That's just goofy, and desperate.

American’s involvement in the Vietnam War was between 1955 to 1975. During the 20 years we fought in Vietnam our nation lost 59,000 lives.

We‘ve had more deaths from fentanyl overdoses in our nation in just one year than the total we lost in Vietnam during 20 years.

It makes little sense for the drug dealers to be killing off their customers, so it looks like they may be purposefully trying to kill Americans along with the Chinese who supply the ingredients to the Mexicans to make fentanyl.

It would seem our government could do something to stop this murder of Americans by the Chinese and the Mexicans. Perhaps declare Mexican drug cartels terrorists and bomb the shit out of them. Impose trade sanctions on China until they stop supplying the chemicals to the drug cartels. At least close the damn Mexican border so the border agents can concentrate on stopping drugs rather than processing illegal aliens and putting them on busses.

Perhaps nothing is happening because the Chinese have bought many of our elected politicians including our corrupt President and his family. Plus many large corporations in our nation are greedy to make big bucks from the people in China.

I remember how concerned our news media was over the loss of American troops in Vietnam. You would think they would be raising hell about fentanyl today. Perhaps since most news outlets are struggling financially, the Chinese have bought them too.

Chinese Chemicals in Mexican Cartel Hands Feed Deadly U.S. Fentanyl Crisis

China has cracked down on fentanyl, but an unmatched U.S. appetite ensures a continued flow. "We don't manufacture fentanyl, we use fentanyl. They don't use fentanyl, they manufacture fentanyl," one DEA official told Newsweek, "and also we cannot even keep our side of the sidewalk clean."

www.newsweek.com

Mexican cartels exploiting border chaos to smuggle fentanyl into US

Mexican cartels are taking advantage of overwhelmed border patrols to smuggle fentanyl into the US.

nypost.com

US media outlets received millions of dollars from China to sell its propaganda: Report

China's propaganda outlet China Daily has reportedly paid millions of dollars in funding to some of the most influential US newspapers and publications in the last six months in a bid to dominate the global narrative. The disclosures were revealed by an independent analyst report referencing...

www.wionews.com

WATCH: Rubio Rips Hypocritical Corporations Who Pander to China • National Legal And Policy Center

Sen. Marco Rubio appeared on Thursday’s “Mornings with Maria” (Bartiromo) on Fox Business Network and spend much of his segment blasting the hypocrisy of U.S. corporations that do the bidding of the communist Chinese government at the expense of American workers. And he explained that Washington...

www.nlpc.org

(note: main section on China starts at 4 mins in.)

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[fncceo]

Death from drug overdoses is the inevitable, and unavoidable, effect of using drugs.

It doesn't matter if the drugs are OTC, prescription, or illicit ... if you use them against medical advice, you're risking injury and or death.

You can't blame drug makers, or doctors, politicians or pushers for what people choose to do with drugs against medical advice.

Fentanyl means a better quality of life for millions of Americans suffering from chronic or post-operative pain. It would be a shame for those Americans to lose their ability to manage that pain because of foolish people using the same drug against medical advice.

 

[Markle]

really?
then why are they being sued Mark?

~S~

As you know, these are two different issues. What is your goal in conflating the two?

 

[sparky]

You can't blame drug makers, or doctors, politicians or pushers for what people choose to do with drugs against medical advice.

actually there's been a world of blame FOR their advice fncceo

~S~

 

[Grumblenuts]

Yes. Doctors, pharmaceutical companies, the insurance cartel, and the prison industrial complex have all profited from overprescribing additive, legalized drugs and marketing them like candy. "Ask your doctor about.."

We have a lazy, just take a pill for anything bothering you bad cultural attitude that needs to be seriously addressed for a change. First by our leadership setting a good example, ejecting all for-profit corporate lobbyists from Congress for example.. Then..

 

[sparky]

for-profit corporate lobbyists from Congress

How much do pharmaceutical companies pay for lobbying?

Annual Lobbying on Pharmaceuticals/Health Products

Client/Parent	Total
Pharmaceutical Research & Manufacturers of America	$22,382,000
Pfizer Inc	$11,580,000
Biotechnology Innovation Organization	$9,510,000
Roche Holdings	$8,635,000

~S~

 

[Grumblenuts]

How much do pharmaceutical companies pay for lobbying?

Annual Lobbying on Pharmaceuticals/Health Products

Client/Parent	Total
Pharmaceutical Research & Manufacturers of America	$22,382,000
Pfizer Inc	$11,580,000
Biotechnology Innovation Organization	$9,510,000
Roche Holdings	$8,635,000

~S~

Bribes that shall continue paying big dividends so long as elections legally remain tied to corporate funding.

 

[sparky]

Bribes that shall continue paying big dividends so long as elections legally remain tied to corporate funding.

yes they have & will Grumbly one

One huge dividen being Congress will never and a day bite the hand that feeds, in this case talk pottymouth of Big Pharma

ergo, the bait switch to China, Mexico, and any other of their 3rd world sweatshops magically crossing from licit to illicit via their toadies

The bait/switch goes on for immigration, where our POLICY is the crux of the issue

~S~

 

[pknopp]

Emergency Medicine physician Dr. Rajiv Bahl reviewed the harrowing video. Bahl says it’s not likely for overdosing from exposure to fentanyl to occur simply from touching the drug. It would only happen as a result of unknowingly ingesting the drug.


A spokesperson for the Tavares police Department said Bannick’s believed that, “between the wind and loose powder of the narcotic located, that she was exposed that way.”

According to the American Journal of Medical Toxicology, that’s not likely.

Emergency Room physician reacts to body camera video of Tavares officer’s fentanyl exposure

 

[Ralph Norton]

Emergency Medicine physician Dr. Rajiv Bahl reviewed the harrowing video. Bahl says it’s not likely for overdosing from exposure to fentanyl to occur simply from touching the drug. It would only happen as a result of unknowingly ingesting the drug.


A spokesperson for the Tavares police Department said Bannick’s believed that, “between the wind and loose powder of the narcotic located, that she was exposed that way.”

According to the American Journal of Medical Toxicology, that’s not likely.

Emergency Room physician reacts to body camera video of Tavares officer’s fentanyl exposure

Apparently you didn't read the entire article before posting:

"Dr. Bahl says the fact that the Narcan was effective in treating Bannick’s condition is an indication that she was in fact experiencing a fentanyl overdose."

Are you suggesting that she took fentanyl deliberately?