For 8 years the right has been called racist.

[Correll]

Why do you keep addressing your Nazi overlords?
Are you denying that we have significant racism now, and even more in the recent past, against black Americans?

It sounds like you are.

I'm pointing out that you are a mindless demagogue who slanders and libels those who are identified as enemies of your shameful party.

And yeah, that does make you a fucking scumbag..

I don't have a party, dumbass.
I am just tired of stupid white people.
It is time to wake the fuck up.

If I said I was tired of "stupid black people" you would say that was racist so how the fuck is your statement any different? Live by the sword, die by the sword.

Dumbfuck

The difference is that I am white. Please show me the time when whites have had a serious and no holds barred discussion amongst ourselves about racial oppression.

We have heard what black ought to do to shore up their communities. But we are not black. So it is pretty easy to point to others and say what they ought to do. But it is much harder to do the same in our own houses.

Are you insane?

We whites have been split and fighting over racial oppression since this nation was founded.

You remember the Civil War, where millions of white US citizens fought and killed their fellow white US citizens over the issue?

YOu don't want a discussion.

You want to shout down any opposition with loud lies of racism.

 

[rightwinger]

Looking at it from a political (yuck) perspective, one of the things it will take is for the Republican party to improve its message and its messaging and to use better messengers. I'm dead serious about that.

I realize that it goes against its core to single out individual groups - and I agree and sympathize with that - but the party needs to see that it's the only way this can be done. The notion that "we are for everyone" simply will not work after generations of the Democrats' strategy of singling them out and isolating them.

The message, messaging and messengers need to be upgraded. That would be a start.
.

Can't work for three reasons.

1. Our messages will not be heard, due to filtering by the media and by being drowned out by the lies.

I was talking to NAT yesterday, and I said that Hillary had rode her husbands career to a position of power. He came back to me and ridiculed me for claim that no woman could ever rise to high office on her own.

That is how the media and pop culture presents our message to the people. As long as that is the case we will never make any headway.


2. The only way to pander to any group other than whites would mean betraying the interests of their base in order to ATTEMPT to reach out to other groups. And they would fail, anyways, and lose support from their base in the process. This only accelerates the arrival of the One Party State that is our almost certain future.

3. And if the GOP is betraying the interests of my group, (the largest single group in the nation) and/or the nation as a whole to pander to the interests of minorities, then what is the point? At that point, me and mine are are out in the Cold forever, with our interests and agenda to never again be the platform of any national party.

Oh, I disagree, it can work. And giving up before really trying is just playing right into the hands of the Left. If you (a) want to improve the relationship between the party and Black Americans, and (b) truly & sincerely believe that the party is better for them personally, then you have no choice - you have to give it your best shot, don't you?

Look at how the Left has done it - a clear, consistent message over time. It won't happen overnight. They have been patient with their message and their messaging, and it has paid off handsomely for them. And the media CANNOT IGNORE a clear, consistent message if delivered at every opportunity and en masse.

This may blow your mind, but I give Trump great credit for at least trying. Yes, he's a horrific messenger, and yes, his "what have you got to lose" thing was predictably ham-handed and sloppy, but at least he TRIED.

What do the REPUBLICANS have to lose?
.

1. Trump's brash New York City persona is actually PERFECT "messaging" to reach out to "urban" blacks. And the only effect has been increased vitriol from the media that blacks have accepted and internalized.


2. Trump's plank of trying to bring back manufacturing jobs would disproportionately benefit blacks. And it was like throwing a pebble into the ocean. Plop, and zero ripples.

3. Trump's plank of deporting illegals and limiting further immigration would disproportionately benefit blacks. Nothing.

4. Thank you for giving Trump credit for trying.

Trumps persona in NYC was to build apartments where blacks were not welcome, to build golf courses where blacks were not welcome. A guy who builds stuff for rich white guys

As for the rest, blacks have heard it all before. The rising economic tide promised by Republicans that never seems to reach the lowest levels

Until Republicans can actually SHOW the jobs they are bringing, they will no longer be believed

1. Your race baiting is noted.

2. Trump's challenge to the Free Traders inside and outside of the GOP is a complete change, that has not been offered to the American people for a long time. For you to say it is the same old, same old is a lie.

That you seem to think you need to lie in order to make your case, shows that you know you cannot make your case honestly.

3. LOL!! Republicans have delivered on jobs before, and you libs just lie and smear all the more.

As a businessman, Trump was never noted for his work in minority communities. There are very, very few minorities in his apartments or golf courses

If Republicans create jobs...why did the last two Republican Presidents create only 2.5 million jobs in 12 years while Obama has created 14 million in 8 years

 

[JakeStarkey]

Correll continues and fails in his Alt Right propaganda.

 

[Correll]

Tax cuts have historically increased revenue.

The only thing that increases deficits and debt is spending

I see you are committed to proving me 100% correct by displaying that you conservatives are operating on blatant falsehoods.



Tax cuts have not "historically increased revenue". The claim is nothing but a rightwing myth based on piss-poor understanding of revenue drivers (out of which long term economic growth, not minor tax-rate adjustments is a primary factor).

We've had record high revenues in 1990s and record LOW revenues since early 2000. Are you going to tell me that Clinton passed tax cuts and Bush expired them?

I know you won't take MY word for it, but I do urge you to read up on what SANE, NON-IGNORANT conservatives sound like when it comes to tax-cut effects:

Greg Mankiw's Blog: On Charlatans and Cranks

Here is what Bush's former chair of economic advisors, conservative and tax-cut suporter had to say to after Bush made the tax-cuts-increased-revenues claim in his SoTU speech:

You are smart people. You know that the tax cuts have not fueled record revenues. You know what it takes to establish causality. You know that the first order effect of cutting taxes is to lower tax revenues. We all agree that the ultimate reduction in tax revenues can be less than this first order effect, because lower tax rates encourage greater economic activity and thus expand the tax base. No thoughtful person believes that this possible offset more than compensated for the first effect for these tax cuts. Not a single one. - Andrew Samwick

There is only one group of people that believes that tax-cuts at current rates increase revenues - FAR RIGHT POLITICOS. That's what it takes to believe that nonsense. Conservative economists reject it and high profile Republicans no longer try to claim it.

As a percentage of GDP? That is a very odd standard to use. Why not actual revenue, perhaps per capita?

ODD? Because you think it is odd? %GDP is the standard adjustment for economy size and inflation. It is the norm of historic spending and revenues comparison. Per capita revenue (which still doesn't adjust for avg. income growth) trend was also way down by the way, if you look it up, this time yourself perhaps.

Like I said, this is the problem with conservatives, you make up your own facts. Economists? Professional experts? Studies? Fuck that, you know it all in your gut because you heard some rightwing politicos like Rush say it and you really liked the way it sounded.

%GDP makes sense comparing spending in different times or comparing revenues from different times.

But.

If an economic policy leads to tremendous economic growth, and only moderate tax revenue growth, to call the a decline in revenue and a failure is misleading.

 

[kaz]

Now if Hillary is elected that meme will change to sexist.
Liberals just can't fathom that people vehemently disagree with their positions. Their tunnel vision blinds them completely to the fact that their train of thought is but one narrow view of the world.

Democrats cry racist because their ideas are illogical and don't work

We cry racism when we see it. Period. This should not bother anyone who is not racist.

you are so full of shit. You cry racism to marginalize those who challenge your agenda.


Your race baiting is tearing this nation apart.


You are smearing good people for political gain.

You're a racist, you hate women, you hate Muslims, you hate the poor, you hate Mexicans, you hate the poor and worship corporations and the rich! Repeat, repeat, repeat. Oh, why is the country so divided? Republicans are so divisive!

They're moral scum, aren't they, Correll?

 

[Correll]

Can't work for three reasons.

1. Our messages will not be heard, due to filtering by the media and by being drowned out by the lies.

I was talking to NAT yesterday, and I said that Hillary had rode her husbands career to a position of power. He came back to me and ridiculed me for claim that no woman could ever rise to high office on her own.

That is how the media and pop culture presents our message to the people. As long as that is the case we will never make any headway.


2. The only way to pander to any group other than whites would mean betraying the interests of their base in order to ATTEMPT to reach out to other groups. And they would fail, anyways, and lose support from their base in the process. This only accelerates the arrival of the One Party State that is our almost certain future.

3. And if the GOP is betraying the interests of my group, (the largest single group in the nation) and/or the nation as a whole to pander to the interests of minorities, then what is the point? At that point, me and mine are are out in the Cold forever, with our interests and agenda to never again be the platform of any national party.

Oh, I disagree, it can work. And giving up before really trying is just playing right into the hands of the Left. If you (a) want to improve the relationship between the party and Black Americans, and (b) truly & sincerely believe that the party is better for them personally, then you have no choice - you have to give it your best shot, don't you?

Look at how the Left has done it - a clear, consistent message over time. It won't happen overnight. They have been patient with their message and their messaging, and it has paid off handsomely for them. And the media CANNOT IGNORE a clear, consistent message if delivered at every opportunity and en masse.

This may blow your mind, but I give Trump great credit for at least trying. Yes, he's a horrific messenger, and yes, his "what have you got to lose" thing was predictably ham-handed and sloppy, but at least he TRIED.

What do the REPUBLICANS have to lose?
.

1. Trump's brash New York City persona is actually PERFECT "messaging" to reach out to "urban" blacks. And the only effect has been increased vitriol from the media that blacks have accepted and internalized.


2. Trump's plank of trying to bring back manufacturing jobs would disproportionately benefit blacks. And it was like throwing a pebble into the ocean. Plop, and zero ripples.

3. Trump's plank of deporting illegals and limiting further immigration would disproportionately benefit blacks. Nothing.

4. Thank you for giving Trump credit for trying.

Trumps persona in NYC was to build apartments where blacks were not welcome, to build golf courses where blacks were not welcome. A guy who builds stuff for rich white guys

As for the rest, blacks have heard it all before. The rising economic tide promised by Republicans that never seems to reach the lowest levels

Until Republicans can actually SHOW the jobs they are bringing, they will no longer be believed

1. Your race baiting is noted.

2. Trump's challenge to the Free Traders inside and outside of the GOP is a complete change, that has not been offered to the American people for a long time. For you to say it is the same old, same old is a lie.

That you seem to think you need to lie in order to make your case, shows that you know you cannot make your case honestly.

3. LOL!! Republicans have delivered on jobs before, and you libs just lie and smear all the more.

As a businessman, Trump was never noted for his work in minority communities. There are very, very few minorities in his apartments or golf courses

If Republicans create jobs...why did the last two Republican Presidents create only 2.5 million jobs in 12 years while Obama has created 14 million in 8 years

1. NOt everything is about minorities.

2. Reagan created a shit load of jobs. Blacks benefited a LOT. Dems responded by making up Racist fantasies, and rewriting history.

 

[Correll]

Now if Hillary is elected that meme will change to sexist.
Liberals just can't fathom that people vehemently disagree with their positions. Their tunnel vision blinds them completely to the fact that their train of thought is but one narrow view of the world.

Democrats cry racist because their ideas are illogical and don't work

We cry racism when we see it. Period. This should not bother anyone who is not racist.

you are so full of shit. You cry racism to marginalize those who challenge your agenda.


Your race baiting is tearing this nation apart.


You are smearing good people for political gain.

You're a racist, you hate women, you hate Muslims, you hate the poor, you hate Mexicans, you hate the poor and worship corporations and the rich! Repeat, repeat, repeat. Oh, why is the country so divided? Republicans are so divisive!

They're moral scum, aren't they, Correll?

Yes, yes they are.

 

[Correll]

Now if Hillary is elected that meme will change to sexist.
Liberals just can't fathom that people vehemently disagree with their positions. Their tunnel vision blinds them completely to the fact that their train of thought is but one narrow view of the world.

Many conservatives are both sexist and racist. Trump is the personification of these people.

YOu are vilifying good people for political gain.


You should be ashamed.

 

[HnL]

Every white person in Texas, eh?

No, dumbass, just the overwhelming majority.

If only white people could vote, the most insane, inept, and destructive candidate in American history would be elected in a landslide.

And why?

Because whites are so scared of losing their white privilege and unearned white entitlements that they are going to overwhelmingly vote for a dangerous demagogue. That is horrific.

 

[HnL]

Your hatred has made you irrational. Nature - apparently - made you stupid.

No, unearned white privilege has made white Texans overwhelmingly stupid and blind.

 

[kaz]

The chorus of the Alt Right and Far Right are beginning to fail and fade in tone as they see their demise approaching rapidly.

It just kills you to hear a Democrat be criticized for their actions, doesn't it, Jake?

 

[kaz]

Your hatred has made you irrational. Nature - apparently - made you stupid.

No, unearned white privilege has made white Texans overwhelmingly stupid and blind.

How's the kool-aid today?

 

[Correll]

Every white person in Texas, eh?

No, dumbass, just the overwhelming majority.

If only white people could vote, the most insane, inept, and destructive candidate in American history would be elected in a landslide.

And why?

Because whites are so scared of losing their white privilege and unearned white entitlements that they are going to overwhelmingly vote for a dangerous demagogue. That is horrific.

White privilege in a time when black skin nets you a 230 point bonus in Ivy League College admissions.

Your claims are utter nonsense.


YOU and yours are the demagogues.

 

[AntonToo]

Tax cuts have historically increased revenue.

The only thing that increases deficits and debt is spending

I see you are committed to proving me 100% correct by displaying that you conservatives are operating on blatant falsehoods.



Tax cuts have not "historically increased revenue". The claim is nothing but a rightwing myth based on piss-poor understanding of revenue drivers (out of which long term economic growth, not minor tax-rate adjustments is a primary factor).

We've had record high revenues in 1990s and record LOW revenues since early 2000. Are you going to tell me that Clinton passed tax cuts and Bush expired them?

I know you won't take MY word for it, but I do urge you to read up on what SANE, NON-IGNORANT conservatives sound like when it comes to tax-cut effects:

Greg Mankiw's Blog: On Charlatans and Cranks

Here is what Bush's former chair of economic advisors, conservative and tax-cut suporter had to say to after Bush made the tax-cuts-increased-revenues claim in his SoTU speech:

You are smart people. You know that the tax cuts have not fueled record revenues. You know what it takes to establish causality. You know that the first order effect of cutting taxes is to lower tax revenues. We all agree that the ultimate reduction in tax revenues can be less than this first order effect, because lower tax rates encourage greater economic activity and thus expand the tax base. No thoughtful person believes that this possible offset more than compensated for the first effect for these tax cuts. Not a single one. - Andrew Samwick

There is only one group of people that believes that tax-cuts at current rates increase revenues - FAR RIGHT POLITICOS. That's what it takes to believe that nonsense. Conservative economists reject it and high profile Republicans no longer try to claim it.

As a percentage of GDP? That is a very odd standard to use. Why not actual revenue, perhaps per capita?

ODD? Because you think it is odd? %GDP is the standard adjustment for economy size and inflation. It is the norm of historic spending and revenues comparison. Per capita revenue (which still doesn't adjust for avg. income growth) trend was also way down by the way, if you look it up, this time yourself perhaps.

Like I said, this is the problem with conservatives, you make up your own facts. Economists? Professional experts? Studies? Fuck that, you know it all in your gut because you heard some rightwing politicos like Rush say it and you really liked the way it sounded.

%GDP makes sense comparing spending in different times or comparing revenues from different times.

But.

If an economic policy leads to tremendous economic growth, and only moderate tax revenue growth, to call the a decline in revenue and a failure is misleading.

It's not perfect, it is simply the best comparison standard we have. Your alternative proposal that we use unadjusted dollar revenues is MUCH worse. If you have another, better standard I would certainly consider it, but you don't.

I will quote you again a CONSERVATIVE, Chair of Economic Advisors to Bush and a tax cut supporter:

You are smart people. You know that the tax cuts have not fueled record revenues. You know what it takes to establish causality. You know that the first order effect of cutting taxes is to lower tax revenues. We all agree that the ultimate reduction in tax revenues can be less than this first order effect, because lower tax rates encourage greater economic activity and thus expand the tax base. No thoughtful person believes that this possible offset more than compensated for the first effect for these tax cuts. Not a single one.


Are you a thoughtful person? Then THINK. Why would anyone object paying less taxes while government collects more revenues? Why would I object to it? Why would conservative economists and explicitly partisan organizations like Heritage reject such wonderful free lunch for everyone? THINK

 

[Correll]

Your hatred has made you irrational. Nature - apparently - made you stupid.

No, unearned white privilege has made white Texans overwhelmingly stupid and blind.

Because they disagree with you?

Tell me again about how open minded libs are.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The chorus of the Alt Right and Far Right are beginning to fail and fade in tone as they see their demise approaching rapidly.

It just kills you to hear a Democrat be criticized for their actions, doesn't it, Jake?

To a reasonable person, what you just wrote makes absolutely no sense.

 

[kaz]

Your hatred has made you irrational. Nature - apparently - made you stupid.

No, unearned white privilege has made white Texans overwhelmingly stupid and blind.

Because they disagree with you?

Tell me again about how open minded libs are.

They're open minded about you agreeing with them

 

[kaz]

The chorus of the Alt Right and Far Right are beginning to fail and fade in tone as they see their demise approaching rapidly.

It just kills you to hear a Democrat be criticized for their actions, doesn't it, Jake?

To a reasonable person, what you just wrote makes absolutely no sense.

Don't remember what you were responding to when you said that, Jake? It's Sunday morning, don't you ever lay off the bottle?

 

[HnL]

What if Obama had been white? Then, questioning his birth certificate would STILL be racist?

He is not white. And his birth is the most well attested birth in American presidential election history!

Yet, he is the only American born candidate who has ever been challenged. And given Trump called it into question 3 years after the matter was IMMUTABLY SETTLED by the state of Hawaii, then it is crystal clear it was florid racism.

Question: who was the first president born in a hospital?

 

[JakeStarkey]

the kazs and the corrells are way off their games

the massive, impending defeat of orange creepy is deranging their minds