Food stamps Are Stimulas?

[Charles_Main]

It''s a false stimulation that cannot be sustained without increasing taxes. True stimulation for jobs comes from the private sector, not public subsidies!

Yes the point I made earlier that we have been adding stimulus to our economy for decades with govt spending.

For about 25 Years actually and guess what. The piper has come calling. Did you guys really think we could run Deficits for 99% of 25 Years and there would be no consequences? Exactly when did you plan on us paying some of the bills?

lol

Deficit Spending is sometimes unavoidable, and yes can help stimulate a struggling Economy. However it can only work if it is augmented by periods of surplus where we don't have to borrow. 25 Years straight Borrowing? Not acceptable. Our Creditors know that the only way we can ever pay back our Debt is to create money out of thin air, which of course we could not do in the volume needed with out Crashing the Dollar and causing Hyper Inflation. Were like the Family that has to many Credit Cards and has been getting new ones to pay for the old ones for years, and now it all finally is catching up, and pretty soon nobody is going to give us that next new card, and we will be fucked. Only we can print money so for some reason we think it wont hurt.

 

[Zander]

If only the stimulus was larger..........
Food stamps and unemployment are the best way to stimulate the economy....
Up is actually down.....

 

[Seawytch]

I've noticed that nobody can actually provide any FACTS to counter the conclusions drawn by Moody's and the CBO. How odd...

 

[SFC Ollie]

If only the stimulus was larger..........
Food stamps and unemployment are the best way to stimulate the economy....
Up is actually down.....

Don't forget that 5 - 5 = 10

 

[Sallow]

It''s a false stimulation that cannot be sustained without increasing taxes. True stimulation for jobs comes from the private sector, not public subsidies!

Generally?


Well not in the way you may think.

Stimulation for "jobs" comes from the private sector when government makes huge purchases from private corporations.

Wrap your mind around that.

No it doesn't.

No, small business is actually the bread and butter of our economy- government contracts to corporations are certainly like gold to those companies- but they are not what stimulates the economy- innovation and growth in the private sector does that. The point however was that government "subsidies" are a false stimulation as they cannot be sustained. Nor are they meant to be.

I likely understand the business cycle better then you might think- gee why might that be...hmmmmmm?

Sure it does.

When the government purchases cars from ford for a government agency..they generally purchase ALOT of cars.

The people building those cars purchase good and services from small businesses.

That wasn't so hard to get around..was it?

Most of the biggest corporations in this country..grew during WWII.

Think Kraft..and government cheese.

Where do you think that all came from?

 

[Jroc]

Generally?


Well not in the way you may think.

Stimulation for "jobs" comes from the private sector when government makes huge purchases from private corporations.

Wrap your mind around that.

No it doesn't.

No, small business is actually the bread and butter of our economy- government contracts to corporations are certainly like gold to those companies- but they are not what stimulates the economy- innovation and growth in the private sector does that. The point however was that government "subsidies" are a false stimulation as they cannot be sustained. Nor are they meant to be.

I likely understand the business cycle better then you might think- gee why might that be...hmmmmmm?

Sure it does.

When the government purchases cars from ford for a government agency..they generally purchase ALOT of cars.

The people building those cars purchase good and services from small businesses.

That wasn't so hard to get around..was it?

Most of the biggest corporations in this country..grew during WWII.

Think Kraft..and government cheese.

Where do you think that all came from?

You libs are a joke arguing in favor of food stamps as a stimulus. Yeah.. lets raise taxes so we can hand out more food stamps the perfect liberal utopia....Sad really.

 

[Sallow]

No it doesn't.

No, small business is actually the bread and butter of our economy- government contracts to corporations are certainly like gold to those companies- but they are not what stimulates the economy- innovation and growth in the private sector does that. The point however was that government "subsidies" are a false stimulation as they cannot be sustained. Nor are they meant to be.

I likely understand the business cycle better then you might think- gee why might that be...hmmmmmm?

Sure it does.

When the government purchases cars from ford for a government agency..they generally purchase ALOT of cars.

The people building those cars purchase good and services from small businesses.

That wasn't so hard to get around..was it?

Most of the biggest corporations in this country..grew during WWII.

Think Kraft..and government cheese.

Where do you think that all came from?

You libs are a joke arguing in favor of food stamps as a stimulus. Yeah.. lets raise taxes so we can hand out more food stamps the perfect liberal utopia....Sad really.

As opposed to what? Borrowing from China to fund war crimes in Iraq or paying for foreign militaries?

You conniebots are a funny breed. You simply love to watch Americans die in floodwaters, from malnutrition, from medical conditions that they can't afford treatment for or languish in poverty while you worship the super rich.

Then you spend money we don't got on bullshit.

 

[theHawk]

This is Obama's new plan to create jobs: Food Stamps.

 

[theHawk]

Sure it does.

When the government purchases cars from ford for a government agency..they generally purchase ALOT of cars.

The people building those cars purchase good and services from small businesses.

That wasn't so hard to get around..was it?

Most of the biggest corporations in this country..grew during WWII.

Think Kraft..and government cheese.

Where do you think that all came from?

You libs are a joke arguing in favor of food stamps as a stimulus. Yeah.. lets raise taxes so we can hand out more food stamps the perfect liberal utopia....Sad really.

As opposed to what? Borrowing from China to fund war crimes in Iraq or paying for foreign militaries?

You conniebots are a funny breed. You simply love to watch Americans die in floodwaters, from malnutrition, from medical conditions that they can't afford treatment for or languish in poverty while you worship the super rich.

Then you spend money we don't got on bullshit.

How about as opposed to cutting spending, especially in entitlements.

If government intrusion was removed from the health care equation then it would become much cheaper so everyone can afford it. Why do you liberals want to mingle government corruption and inefficiency with health care which drive up the costs so no one can afford it? Why do you hate affordable health care so much?

 

[clevergirl]

Generally?


Well not in the way you may think.

Stimulation for "jobs" comes from the private sector when government makes huge purchases from private corporations.

Wrap your mind around that.

No it doesn't.

No, small business is actually the bread and butter of our economy- government contracts to corporations are certainly like gold to those companies- but they are not what stimulates the economy- innovation and growth in the private sector does that. The point however was that government "subsidies" are a false stimulation as they cannot be sustained. Nor are they meant to be.

I likely understand the business cycle better then you might think- gee why might that be...hmmmmmm?

Sure it does.

When the government purchases cars from ford for a government agency..they generally purchase ALOT of cars.

The people building those cars purchase good and services from small businesses.

That wasn't so hard to get around..was it?

Most of the biggest corporations in this country..grew during WWII.

Think Kraft..and government cheese.

Where do you think that all came from?

LOL- a lot of companies purchase "cars" in bulk. Not only the government. Virtually every company that have sales teams purchase cars for their employee's- every two years- most government cars remain in their fleet for many years. This is your argument for food stamps stimulating the economy? Think Kraft and a global market. Kraft is owned by Nestle' the largest candy company in the world. They buy cars...lots and lots of cars and trucks for their sales and delivery employees- now multiply that by the thousands of private sector companies and government purchasing is a mere drop in the bucket.

 

[FuelRod]

No it doesn't.

No, small business is actually the bread and butter of our economy- government contracts to corporations are certainly like gold to those companies- but they are not what stimulates the economy- innovation and growth in the private sector does that. The point however was that government "subsidies" are a false stimulation as they cannot be sustained. Nor are they meant to be.

I likely understand the business cycle better then you might think- gee why might that be...hmmmmmm?

Sure it does.

When the government purchases cars from ford for a government agency..they generally purchase ALOT of cars.

The people building those cars purchase good and services from small businesses.

That wasn't so hard to get around..was it?

Most of the biggest corporations in this country..grew during WWII.

Think Kraft..and government cheese.

Where do you think that all came from?

LOL- a lot of companies purchase "cars" in bulk. Not only the government. Virtually every company that have sales teams purchase cars for their employee's- every two years- most government cars remain in their fleet for many years. This is your argument for food stamps stimulating the economy? Think Kraft and a global market. Kraft is owned by Nestle' the largest candy company in the world. They buy cars...lots and lots of cars and trucks for their sales and delivery employees- now multiply that by the thousands of private sector companies and government purchasing is a mere drop in the bucket.

Many auto dealers and businesses in general either refuse or hate doing business with the Government because they are a notorious slow pay to say the least.

 

[cootydog]

Im sure when foodstamps fail to get Obama enough votes in 2012 he will for sure blame Bush, here is what I think of Obama and liberal vaginas like him.

aginal dryness is perhaps the most distressing and least talked about symptom of Obama. Vaginal dryness probably results from changes that occur when conservative levels drop. Low conservativism causes the vagina and surrounding connective tissue to lose elasticity and the tissue that lines the vagina to become thinner and more fragile. It occurs in about 100 percent of liberals, sometimes transiently and other times permanently.

How does vaginal dryness feel? Itchy is how most liberals describe it. Vaginal dryness can cause pain and bleeding during intercourse and increase the possibility of developing a vaginal infection.

Of course Obama is to blame for this and yes you got it, the Bush will be blamed

 

[Lonestar_logic]

I've noticed that nobody can actually provide any FACTS to counter the conclusions drawn by Moody's and the CBO. How odd...

If every dollar of food stamps puts $1.84 into the economy, instead of the $860 billion stimulus, why didn’t the administration just send every single American $2,800 worth of food stamps and thereby generate $1.58 trillion in economic activity?

 

[Big Fitz]

I've noticed that nobody can actually provide any FACTS to counter the conclusions drawn by Moody's and the CBO. How odd...

No proof? Okay, how about we play a little game of logic.

-You wish to increase food stamps which you claim increases economic activity and creates a near doubling of the economy per dollar spent.
-Therefore you increase the budget to the program.
- Which requires you to increase taxes or cut from other programs.
- Since cuts to other programs won't be made, taxes increase.
- Now the people who's taxes went up, means they now keep less of their own money to spend.
- Therefore consumption from taxpayers drops due to less money.
- The money put into food stamps is less than money collected in taxes because of government skimming the amount for the administration cost.
- The remaining money is put into hands that spend it in consumption, but the amount is less than what was taxed.
- Since consumption dropped, business slowed, the economy slowed, causing more people to be laid off or businesses to close.
- These people now require assistance, including food stamps.
- This decreases the overall revenue available for tax, thereby decreasing the revenue brought in.
- The government must now choose to borrow more money, raise more taxes or decrease the size of the program.
- If money is borrowed, we now have high interest loans out that take care of immediate need, but not long term.
- These new costs require more tax money, which then decreases consumption and investment.
- Causing more business failures and layoffs.
- Prompting MORE borrowing or tax increases.
- Which causes more layoffs and business closures and people needing assistance requiring more revenue from elsewhere.

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At some point the whole system collapses as the weight of the people needing assistance crushes the ability to pay for it. I do believe we passed the buoyancy mark back in the 70's, and now the ability to pay is crushed under it's growing weight. It only took this long because of this nation having been so blessed since Reagan and through Clinton, we outgrew the inevitable flooding in the hull. Now the pumps have quit, and the crew is exhausted, but we COULD patch the hole, but it's dangerous and will mean some sacrifice on the part of those who have been surviving on the government's teat for sometimes decades.

This is the price that MUST be paid to save this ship of state.

But if you want to play logic games and lie about earnings and profitability caused by hand outs... do so on your own dime. Your theory is kaput and most rational people who are aware are wise to the deception.

So, is the solution you're touting to put everyone on the very successful and profitable unemployment benefits and food stamps? Or do you prefer to stick with something a lot less successful? After all, who would pay for unemployment if we all were on it? See the problem now?

The theory of perpetual motion machines, even economic ones was disproven in the 19th century you know.

 

[mal]

Only in Obama's ass backwards liberal world.


Obama Ag Secretary Vilsack Food Stamps Are A Stimulus - YouTube

Yeah... you didn't know that if you take money from me, and give it to someone else to spend, that's a stimulous to the economy?...

Liberals are Brilliant!

And you are a Racist to Question their Brilliance.



peace...

 

[Lonestar_logic]

How liberals manage to function day to day is a mystery to me.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

For Obama and his followers food stamps are bought votes. Sad really

 

[Sallow]

You libs are a joke arguing in favor of food stamps as a stimulus. Yeah.. lets raise taxes so we can hand out more food stamps the perfect liberal utopia....Sad really.

As opposed to what? Borrowing from China to fund war crimes in Iraq or paying for foreign militaries?

You conniebots are a funny breed. You simply love to watch Americans die in floodwaters, from malnutrition, from medical conditions that they can't afford treatment for or languish in poverty while you worship the super rich.

Then you spend money we don't got on bullshit.

How about as opposed to cutting spending, especially in entitlements.

If government intrusion was removed from the health care equation then it would become much cheaper so everyone can afford it. Why do you liberals want to mingle government corruption and inefficiency with health care which drive up the costs so no one can afford it? Why do you hate affordable health care so much?

How about cutting spending..on missiles, planes, tanks and exotic weapon systems?

Oh..well that would cut about half the jobs in Texas, wouldn't it?

With tax loopholes for oil, grants to oil and government contracts to oil cutting most of the rest.

Well..there is Mickey D's.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Who needs a job swallow when you can just get unemployment for obamas entire term? Plus food stamps, cash for clunkers and all his other freebies

 

[Sallow]

Who needs a job swallow when you can just get unemployment for obamas entire term? Plus food stamps, cash for clunkers and all his other freebies

You are a little old to be asking straight men for a swallow..aren't ya?

Can't you just do like your hero Larry Craig and try to suck some guy's dick in the bathroom?