Folly In Trumped-Up Defense Already(?)! Cherry-Pick Constitutional Impeachment Language--Conclude It's All Attainder!

[Faun]

Article II, section 4 provides that officers impeached and convicted “shall be removed from office”; Article I, section 3, clause 7 provides further that “judgment in cases of impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States.”

Article 1 of the Trumped-Up defense document starts only with Article II, Section 4--Removal from Office. Like everyone Trumped-Up: It ignores the people, and so the language of what the People of The United States can do lawfully! See the language of US Constitution Article 1. The Senate has the stipulated right of trial, removal, and disqualification--with basis in the office-holding--at the moment(s) of "Cause" of the Impeachment Article.

Read former President Trump's response to the article of impeachment against him | CNN Politics

Lawyers for former President Donald Trump filed a 14-page response to the House's impeachment manager's case on Tuesday, in its first filing ahead of next week's Senate impeachment trial.

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The hoax being used to blind trial jurors--the Senate--is that what is averred is not the Article of Impeachment, lawfully brought, but a disconnect of the language of US Constitution Article 1 as having any bearing on the lawful impeachment: Shown in Constitutional Article One(?).

Since the defense claims Constitutional Article One is not in the language of the Constitution--the document: Then it concludes that the Trumped-Up defendant was never the office-holder--but effectively at the time, even of office-holding: Only A private citizen. With basis in that--never able to be removed: Then now the defendant continues to be said: Merely a private citizen. The Private Citizen is then completely absolved of the term in office. Defendant lawyers then hang themselves more tightly, and the defendant--with a contention that since Article One does not exist, then the disqualification of the private citizen--from further office-holding--is Attainder.

The defense has to come to grips with its own specious, extraterrestrial claims! The tail is essentially: Wagging the dog!

The claims is that what happened in the term of office is not relevant at all to actions: During the term of office(?)!

Aka: Stupid!

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(There is even more in Acts 7: About how Moses came to a deity concept!)

What a desperate plea for help. While they claim Twice Impeached Trump can't be tried in the Senate because he can't be removed from office, they somehow are unfamiliar with the Constitution which clearly states the Senate has the power to try "ALL" impeachments. Not excluding the one they find inconvenient. They also repeat over and over there can be no trial since he can't be removed from office -- but there can be a trial because that's only one of the possible punishments. Another potential punishment is he becomes ineligible to hold federal public office again. And possibility is they don't punish him at all. So that excuse doesn't hold water. Not to mention there's precedence of the Senate holding a trial for someone who resigned from office after being impeached but before his trial.

This is shoddy legal work but fortunately for Twice Impeached Trump, it won't cost him much since he doesn't pay his bills.

 

[westwall]

What the Impeachment trial proves is whether or not a President who has lost an election can be held accountable for his actions afterwards.

Trump didn't lose the election. The political elite stole the election from WE THE PEOPLE. No matter how many times you repeat your bullshit propaganda no one with a brain will believe you.

Trump was a bad President who botched his leadership during COVID. It cost him a second term. He lost by a wide margin

Rather than accept defeat and admit it was his own fault. Trump made up a lie that he had in fact, won and had been cheated.

Morons such as yourself, believe it.

Trump did more things that benefitted this country in four years than obummer did in 8. You are simply a paid chinese stooge posting bullshit for your masters.

Piss off troll.

Trump did very little except to cut taxes for billionaires.

When his leadership was really tested, he failed miserably in leading through COVID.

It cost him a second term

Really? Then why did billionaires overwhelmingly support xiden, your hero? Wall Street bought the Democrat party along with their handlers, the Chinese. That's why the hedge fund assholes get saved from us little guys when they broke the law, and got caught. YOUR BILLIONAIRES ARE ALL IN IT TOGETHER AGAINST US, we the PEOPLE.

 

[rightwinger]

What the Impeachment trial proves is whether or not a President who has lost an election can be held accountable for his actions afterwards.

Trump didn't lose the election. The political elite stole the election from WE THE PEOPLE. No matter how many times you repeat your bullshit propaganda no one with a brain will believe you.

Trump was a bad President who botched his leadership during COVID. It cost him a second term. He lost by a wide margin

Rather than accept defeat and admit it was his own fault. Trump made up a lie that he had in fact, won and had been cheated.

Morons such as yourself, believe it.

Trump did more things that benefitted this country in four years than obummer did in 8. You are simply a paid chinese stooge posting bullshit for your masters.

Piss off troll.

Trump did very little except to cut taxes for billionaires.

When his leadership was really tested, he failed miserably in leading through COVID.

It cost him a second term

Really? Then why did billionaires overwhelmingly support xiden, your hero? Wall Street bought the Democrat party along with their handlers, the Chinese. That's why the hedge fund assholes get saved from us little guys when they broke the law, and got caught. YOUR BILLIONAIRES ARE ALL IN IT TOGETHER AGAINST US, we the PEOPLE.

Why?

Because Biden represented stability
A trait that Billionaires cherish

 

[Faun]

Trump didn't lose the election. The political elite stole the election from WE THE PEOPLE. No matter how many times you repeat your bullshit propaganda no one with a brain will believe you.

 

[westwall]

What the Impeachment trial proves is whether or not a President who has lost an election can be held accountable for his actions afterwards.

Trump didn't lose the election. The political elite stole the election from WE THE PEOPLE. No matter how many times you repeat your bullshit propaganda no one with a brain will believe you.

Trump was a bad President who botched his leadership during COVID. It cost him a second term. He lost by a wide margin

Rather than accept defeat and admit it was his own fault. Trump made up a lie that he had in fact, won and had been cheated.

Morons such as yourself, believe it.

Trump did more things that benefitted this country in four years than obummer did in 8. You are simply a paid chinese stooge posting bullshit for your masters.

Piss off troll.

Trump did very little except to cut taxes for billionaires.

When his leadership was really tested, he failed miserably in leading through COVID.

It cost him a second term

Really? Then why did billionaires overwhelmingly support xiden, your hero? Wall Street bought the Democrat party along with their handlers, the Chinese. That's why the hedge fund assholes get saved from us little guys when they broke the law, and got caught. YOUR BILLIONAIRES ARE ALL IN IT TOGETHER AGAINST US, we the PEOPLE.

Why?

Because Biden represented stability
A trait that Billionaires cherish

So the hedge fund managers breaking the law and being protected by xiden is OK with you then.

I thought you were for the little guy and not the billionaires.

Looks like you are all in on screwing the middle class.

 

[MarcATL]

What the Impeachment trial proves is whether or not a President who has lost an election can be held accountable for his actions afterwards.

He must, be held, accountable.

 

[mascale]

And so restating the Faun post:
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proceedings will shift to the Senate, which has the “sole Power to try all Impeachments” under Article I, Section 3 of the Constitution. That provision establishes certain basic rules for impeachment trials—the Senate shall be on “Oath or Affirmation;” the Chief Justice presides since the President is the defendant; conviction requires a two-thirds vote and can impose no punishment except removal from office and disqualification from future office.
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That being lawful, then no "Attainder" can be inferred as an outcome of the trial.

The conjecture of an "Attainder" obscures that many states impose impeachment only after the incumbent has left the office: Not regarded "Attainder."

Only the Senate can set the rules of the trial. What is Constitutional is shown already. The judicial branch cannot become involved, especially since the Chief Justice is not now required to preside.

That is all that no longer incumbent means, per the document. The outcome of any punishment for any conviction is limited to the one outcome, not an Attainder.

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(Deut 23: 19-30 pretends Pharaoh's likely alliance arithmetic to be divinely created(?), and so applied. Jesus ben Joseph, Son of Mary, Often called in English, "Oh Christ!" would explain what that was up with that in Matt 25: 14-30. Lives don't matter, and so get thrown clear out of the program, left to "Weeping and Gnashing of Teeth!" The basis is ability or not to keep up with on-going arithmetic--never stopping(?), in the back-drop of Matt 20:1-16--putting on the brakes!)