Florist Sued for Refusing Service to Gay Couple Pens Defiant Letter Rejecting Gov’t Settlement Offer

[BlindBoo]

How about the civil and Constitutional rights of the florist to exercise freedom of religion?

Her freedom of religion does not include the freedom for her business to discriminate against people for their sexual orientation.

 

[Silhouette]

Christians are not in any way ignoring God's law when they refuse to serve gay weddings. They are mandated to do so with those lifestyles as prescribed in the New Testament (the book they follow) in Jude 1.

Jude 1 makes no mention of selling cake.

You're hallucinating again.

We'll see I guess won't we? Aren't you glad this is going before the US Supreme Court? Then you'll have a final federal stamp on it, just like you always want in the legal arena. No state-level decisions good enough for you. Make sure the Nine see it. Right?

Oh, wait, let me guess....not in THIS case, right?

 

[Ravi]

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Her morality, dummy. And running a business isn't serving God, it's serving man.

Everything a true believer does is serving God. If you would go to church every once in a while you would understand that. Our Founding Fathers understood that and that is why they said that the state should not interfere with religion. It is like the the cornerstone of our Republic. You have heard of the 1st Amendment, haven't you? Just because you don't like this concept of freedom of religion don't mean that it is not guaranteed under the Bill of Rights.

The fact of the matter is that you love queers because they are a special interest group of the Democrat Party so you want to protect the butt hole fuckers and you don't mind stepping on the rights of religious people to do it.

You are showing you Libtard stupidity and that is why you have been intellectually and morally dishonest in this discussion.

Are you serving God right now? He doesn't think you are doing a good job.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

You are showing you Libtard stupidity and that is why you have been intellectually and morally dishonest in this discussion.

I've been completely honest in this discussion, I always am. Saying that everything a true believer does is serving God is what's dishonest. You aren't serving God by taking a shit, or money for flowers.

 

[Skylar]

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Her morality, dummy. And running a business isn't serving God, it's serving man.

Everything a true believer does is serving God. If you would go to church every once in a while you would understand that. Our Founding Fathers understood that and that is why they said that the state should not interfere with religion.

Neither the Bill of Rights nor the 1st amendment applied to the states. Rather elegantly kacking that argument.

It is like the the cornerstone of our Republic. You have heard of the 1st Amendment, haven't you? Just because you don't like this concept of freedom of religion don't mean that it is not guaranteed under the Bill of Rights.

Your conception of 'freedom' is that any Christian should be able to ignore any law that they feel violates their religion.

But when we ask you about say, Sharia law.......you're oddly mute. Should Sharia law, like Christian doctrine, trump civil law? If not, why not?

 

[Flash]

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She can do pretty much whatever she likes in church, but businesses are required to follow Man's laws, not God's.

But you left out the part about the Bill of Rights protecting the right of the people to have freedom of religion and that right is not restricted to within the walls of a church.

You Libtard are always confused about things like this, aren't you?

 

[g5000]

Everything a true believer does is serving God. If you would go to church every once in a while you would understand that. Our Founding Fathers understood that and that is why they said that the state should not interfere with religion.

You must go to a very weird church. In mine, baking a cake and selling it in a bakery is not worship.

 

[Katzndogz]

All of this controversy whether it's a florist, cake decorator or photographer have one thing in common. They are assaults against artistic freedom.

Nope. This is business. Money changes hands.

No can refuse to take money? Taking the money and refusing to perform I can understand. I was offered money to paint a portrait. Quite a lot of money. No money changed hands though because I turned the commission down. Now what? It's not business.

 

[BlindBoo]

He orders an elaborate funeral arrangement with a banner that says God Hates Fags. Should the flower shop be shut down if they refuse this order?

No. Homophobics (*** haters) are not a protected class in Washington State

 

[Katzndogz]

Everything a true believer does is serving God. If you would go to church every once in a while you would understand that. Our Founding Fathers understood that and that is why they said that the state should not interfere with religion.

Baking a cake and selling it is not worship.

Of course it is to a believer.

 

[Dana7360]

So what? So do pickup truck owners, coin collectors, and mystery novel readers. Were you trying to stumble upon a POINT here?

I'm simply pointing out that you're wrong. You said the vast majority doesn't give a rat ****. I pointed out that you're wrong. If you don't care, you probably shouldn't post at all.

Serious question: are you actually not bright enough to figure out why what you posted makes absolutely no sense?

Excuse me, you loon. You posted something stupid and patently incorrect in response to a statement I made. I corrected you and your response was "WHY DOES IT MATTER?" If it doesn't matter, why did you challenge my original statement? If it doesn't matter, why did you lie? If it doesnt' matter, why are you even engaged here?

I know why..because you're a troll. This is what you do. You add nothing to the convo, and arbitrarily argue both sides. Go away, lunatic.

Looks like I touched a nerve!

OK, I guess I need to explain it like I would to a 5-year-old: the number of small-business owners is entirely irrelevant to the situation! Your bizarre, nonsensical comparison assumes that NONE of them are pro-gay...in fact, it assumes that most dislike gays. In reality: some do, some are pro-gay, some are themselves gay...and many simply DON'T GIVE A SHIT!

To take it even further- IF she were right- well then it would be simple for all of her sympathizing bigot pals to change Washington State law.

But that isn't going to happen.

The bigots already had their say in Washington state. They had their say when every other citizen of Washington had it. The citizens of the state of Washington had their say in November 2012. The homophobe bigots were out voted by a good margin.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Funny - facts show those Democrats were far right wing conservatives.

That is the big lie you are programmed by your masters to repeat.

But recall that I have crushed you on this lie repeatedly Jake.

What is it that made the Dixicrats "right wing?" Were they staunch opponents of FDR's New Deal? Did they seek to repeal big government programs and social programs?

LOL;

Of course not - Bull Conner, George Wallace, Orval Faubus, Robert Byrd, et al. were all far left democrats - you're just lying through your ******* teeth - as you democrats tend to do.

They are your political ancestors.

They held the same big government, social welfare views you promote today.

Funny - that part of the equation is always willfully censored out by the people pouring that piss you drink with so much gusto.

Funny that the big lie only works if it isn't challenged.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

“Washington’s constitution guarantees us ‘freedom of conscience in all matters of religious sentiment.’

No it doesn't.

Stupid Libtards always have a difficult time understanding the concept of freedom of religion just like they have trouble understanding the right to keep and bear arms and other Constitutionally guaranteed freedoms.

If the state tells me that I can't can't conduct my business in accordance with my heartfelt religious convictions then it is interfering with my freedom of religion. It ain't rocket science.

As an aside. If the filthy ass oppressive state tells me that I can't tell a couple of queers to get the hell out of my store then the state has interfered with my right of free speech.

You're an ignorant, hateful conservative, you don't know the difference between the Commerce Clause and the First Amendment.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

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She can do pretty much whatever she likes in church, but businesses are required to follow Man's laws, not God's.

But you left out the part about the Bill of Rights protecting the right of the people to have freedom of religion and that right is not restricted to within the walls of a church.

You Libtard are always confused about things like this, aren't you?

I'm not confused about anything. You can't rape a child and call it faith. You can't refuse service to a ****** for the same reason. Soon, you won't be able to refuse service to a homo. You confuse business with faith, don't. We regulate both but one much more. If you truly want to serve God then don't open a business. Those have to comply with the laws of Man, not God.

 

[Skylar]

Christians are not in any way ignoring God's law when they refuse to serve gay weddings. They are mandated to do so with those lifestyles as prescribed in the New Testament (the book they follow) in Jude 1.

Jude 1 makes no mention of selling cake.

You're hallucinating again.

We'll see I guess won't we?

We can see right now. Read Jude 1....and then quote the portion where the it prohibits the sale of cake to gay people.

You can't....as you're hallucinating. You've taken the Christian Sovereign Citizen argument to a new height. Insisting that a Christian should be able to ignore any law based on any passages they invent or imagine.

Aren't you glad this is going before the US Supreme Court? Then you'll have a final federal stamp on it, just like you always want in the legal arena. No state-level decisions good enough for you. Make sure the Nine see it. Right?

Unless they rule against how you believe they should rule, right? Then, like your panty shitting hysterics regarding gay marriage, its a violation of the constitution, tyranny, the end of our system of government, etc. Honestly, I'm shocked you haven't folded in zombies.

You only believe in the authority of the judiciary if they agree with you. Where by any rational standard, they'd be authoritative regardless of what you believe.

 

[g5000]

Funny - facts show those Democrats were far right wing conservatives.

That is the big lie you are programmed by your masters to repeat.

But recall that I have crushed you on this lie repeatedly Jake.

What is it that made the Dixicrats "right wing?" Were they staunch opponents of FDR's New Deal? Did they seek to repeal big government programs and social programs?

LOL;

I like how you willful retards jump around in time and space to make your idiotic claims fit. You jump back 50, 60 years in a pathetic attempt to draw parallels between the racist right wing Democrats of the past to the present day Democrats, and now you jump back a further 25 years to make the Southern Dixiecrats into FDR Democrats.

We are talking about the civil rights era and the Deep South of the 1950s and 60s, not the Great Depression and FDR, numbnuts.

Sorry, it is a fact the Southern Dixiecrats who opposed civil rights were right wing conservatives. Do you deny they were also pro states rights? Do you deny they were also big on Defense? Do you deny they were also anti communist? Go ahead, please deny this so I can have some fun kicking your balls up into your throat.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Everything a true believer does is serving God. If you would go to church every once in a while you would understand that. Our Founding Fathers understood that and that is why they said that the state should not interfere with religion.

Baking a cake and selling it is not worship.

Of course it is to a believer.

No, that's garbage. You aren't saving souls by baking cakes for cash.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The willful ignorance of most conservatives concerning this issue is truly amazing.

They aren't Conservatives, they are Reactionaries. And yes, their ignorance is profound but it is also willful. Just children with their fingers stuck in their ears.

They're both, actually.

 

[g5000]

Dixiecrat political party United States Encyclopedia Britannica

"Dixiecrat, also called States’ Rights Democrat, member of a right-wing Democratic splinter group in the 1948 U.S. presidential election organized by Southerners who objected to the civil rights program of the Democratic Party. It met at Birmingham, Ala., and on July 17, 1948, nominated Gov. Strom Thurmond of South Carolina for president and Gov. states’ rights, carried South Carolina, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Alabama, to receive 39 electoral votes; their popular vote totalled over 1,000,000."



In 1964, Strom Thurmond switched to the Republican Party.

 

[Carla_Danger]

Here in America we have this document called the Constitution. We base our nation and laws on that document.

In that document there's a clause called the Commerce Clause. That says that the government can regulate commerce..

Here in America we also have a thing called The First Amendment. It is the unchallengeable right of a person to exercise their religion in their daily life.

Since we are tallking about a lifestyle here and not a race of people, Christians and others may absolutely reject serving anyone whose lifestyle forces that Christian to quit practicing the edicts of their faith....particularly those like in Jude 1 of the New Testament which spells out quite clearly that promoting a homosexual cultural takeover of any society or human settlement is worthy of eternal damnation. And just passively letting it happen is equally as damnable as actively assisting it.

Plus, we live in a democracy and when it comes to this quesiton and the LGBT cult lifestyles, there is a CLEAR majority on this question. A church is nothing more than a congregation of individual Christians: Should Churches be forced to accomodate for homosexual weddings Page 787 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum Refer to the numbers in the poll at the top of the page.

Here in America, there are also these things called a business license in which you need to operate specifically in the State of Washington, which is the topic of this thread. And once again, the judge ruled that the florist violated consumer protection laws.