Florist Sued for Refusing Service to Gay Couple Pens Defiant Letter Rejecting Gov’t Settlement Offer

[bodecea]

The florist did not refuse service to gays.

Wait....so this is much ado about nothing. She provided her services to their wedding and this is a fantasy story like on "Dallas".

These gays have been customers for nine years. Obviously she did not refuse them service. What she refused was her artistry. She sells flowers. They could have bought flowers. What they wanted was her talent.

Artists are being punished for not producing political art. Just like every other totalitarian government has done since Pharoah chained sculptors to blocks of stone.

She refused to sell flowers for their wedding. That is a denial of service for an invalid reason there, meaning she broke the law. You'll just have to deal with it, like she does now.

I saw last nite that she has become a darling to FOX News.

 

[Dana7360]

A mosque is not a business nor is a church.

Business's however are subject to the public accomodation laws- no a Christian cannot legally refuse to sell to a Jew or a Jew to a Muslim or a Muslim to a Christian- based upon their religion.

A business that is not incorporated cannot legitimately be subject to public accommodation laws. These laws exist, just as Georgia had sodomy laws - neither are legitimate and both should be opposed.

And I absolutely support every American's right to make that challenge in court- or attempt to change the law legislatively.

It used to be against the law for a same gender couple to get married in Washington State- that was changed legislatively. In California, the law was found to be unconstitutional and overturned.

Everyone has the right to challenge whatever they consider to be unconstitutional laws. Go for it.

I'm sorry but it wasn't done in the state legislature. In fact the state legislature passed a bill that outlawed gay marriage. Washington's supreme court upheld the law.

The way we threw out discrimination was at the ballot box. It was done by the people of the state. No politician or judge brought marriage equality to Washington.

It was an initiative on the ballot in 2012. The people voted in a good majority margin for marriage equality. So gays have been legally getting married in Washington since 2012.

I'm proud to say that I voted in that election and I voted with the majority. I've never thought discrimination against gays to get married was ever right or legal.

 

[Carla_Danger]

The florist did not refuse service to gays.

Wait....so this is much ado about nothing. She provided her services to their wedding and this is a fantasy story like on "Dallas".

These gays have been customers for nine years. Obviously she did not refuse them service. What she refused was her artistry. She sells flowers. They could have bought flowers. What they wanted was her talent.

Artists are being punished for not producing political art. Just like every other totalitarian government has done since Pharoah chained sculptors to blocks of stone.

She also refused to endorse their marriage.

You can't yank someone's business license because they refuse to ENDORSE an event. Businesses are allowed to pick and choose who they want to publicly support.

You are absolutely wrong. When you offer services in the State of Washington, that include weddings, you don't get to discriminate based on sexual orientation, which is exactly what this florist did, and that is exactly why the court ruled against her.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

The florist did not refuse service to gays.

Wait....so this is much ado about nothing. She provided her services to their wedding and this is a fantasy story like on "Dallas".

These gays have been customers for nine years. Obviously she did not refuse them service. What she refused was her artistry. She sells flowers. They could have bought flowers. What they wanted was her talent.

Artists are being punished for not producing political art. Just like every other totalitarian government has done since Pharoah chained sculptors to blocks of stone.

She refused to sell flowers for their wedding. That is a denial of service for an invalid reason there, meaning she broke the law. You'll just have to deal with it, like she does now.

I saw last nite that she has become a darling to FOX News.

Of course. Maybe that will be her next job when you loses the business?

 

[Uncensored2008]

You live in a fantasy world, the world of a child. I live in the real one, where deals are cut and rights have limitations.

I support civil rights - you oppose them, simple as that.

Leftism is authoritarian by nature. We had a SCOTUS which was leftist and activist through the 60's and 70's, the authority of the United States Constitution was severely curtailed. However, the court has changed and the majority of the current court supports and upholds the Constitution. Challenges to long standing leftist infringements on civil liberty are well timed in the current environment, particularly in light of the losses of the left in your assault on the 1st Amendment.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Another butt-ranger thread, another record number of posts.

If we could just start a new Board for gay threads only, we could save a lot of room in the Politics Board.

Why not? We have a Current Events Board..... Which is rather interesting, to say the least.

We have an obamacare Board.... Nothing about Politics there, eh?

We have a Media Board? Nope, no politics in the DISGUSTING FILTH of the Lame Stream Media...... Just ax Lyin' Brian

We have an Environment Board (ever notice, dimocraps can politicize taking a shit?)

We have a Religion Board, a Science Board, blah, blah, blah, blah.

All of which have more to do with Politics than do butt-ranger threads.

Please Moderators, Administration, Jedi Knights or whoever runs this place -- Please start a Gay Board.

Please

Your use of the political process to disadvantage gay Americans as a consequence of your unwarranted fear and hate of homosexuals makes this a political issue.

 

[Flash]

Capitalism is regulated here, and everywhere else. Time to grow up now.

...and the regulation is abusive as we see in the example of the florist that was simply exercising his moral and religious conviction, which suppose to be protected under our Bill of Rights.

Time for you to get your head of your abusive government loving ass.

 

[Katzndogz]

Here's a scenerio for you all to chew on.

Washington Business A sells flowers. Customer B comes in and orders flowers for a wedding that will take place at a Catholic church. Business owner A tells Customer B that they don't sell flowers nor flower arrangements to Catholics because of their personal belief system.

SO.....
1) Has Business A broken the law?

2) Does Customer A have the right to report them to the state if they have broken the law?

3) If the state finds that Business A has indeed broken the law, has the state the right to fine Business A based on the law?

4) Does Business A have the right to ignore the law and ignore the fine because they don't like it?

Why doesn't anyone want to answer these simple questions?

If they sell flowers they are selling a product and cannot discriminate against anyone.

If they sell flower arrangements the arrangement is the talent of the florist. It is not a product. They don't have to sell to anyone.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Southern Democrats and Southern Republicans did. Yes they did. While Northern Democrats and Northern Republicans worked for civil rights.

Apparently KOS is slow in uploading your programming. Can a business discriminate based on bathing? Why or why not? (I'll wait while you log on to KOS to have the answer programmed into you..)

 

[PaintMyHouse]

You live in a fantasy world, the world of a child. I live in the real one, where deals are cut and rights have limitations.

I support civil rights - you oppose them, simple as that.

Leftism is authoritarian by nature. We had a SCOTUS which was leftist and activist through the 60's and 70's, the authority of the United States Constitution was severely curtailed. However, the court has changed and the majority of the current court supports and upholds the Constitution. Challenges to long standing leftist infringements on civil liberty are well timed in the current environment, particularly in light of the losses of the left in your assault on the 1st Amendment.

My people created your rights, They also acknowledged their limitations. You want anarchy, all children do. Rules, requirements, those keep you from doing exactly as you please and to you, and all other children, that so unfair that is makes you mad, mad, mad...

 

[koshergrl]

The florist did not refuse service to gays.

Wait....so this is much ado about nothing. She provided her services to their wedding and this is a fantasy story like on "Dallas".

These gays have been customers for nine years. Obviously she did not refuse them service. What she refused was her artistry. She sells flowers. They could have bought flowers. What they wanted was her talent.

Artists are being punished for not producing political art. Just like every other totalitarian government has done since Pharoah chained sculptors to blocks of stone.

I just checked her website. All flowers are sold as an arrangement. She's been selling them her "artistry" for 9 years.

Good for her.

So it wasn't discrimination.

She just didn't want to participate in the wedding. Got it.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Here's a scenerio for you all to chew on.

Washington Business A sells flowers. Customer B comes in and orders flowers for a wedding that will take place at a Catholic church. Business owner A tells Customer B that they don't sell flowers nor flower arrangements to Catholics because of their personal belief system.

SO.....
1) Has Business A broken the law?

2) Does Customer A have the right to report them to the state if they have broken the law?

3) If the state finds that Business A has indeed broken the law, has the state the right to fine Business A based on the law?

4) Does Business A have the right to ignore the law and ignore the fine because they don't like it?

Why doesn't anyone want to answer these simple questions?

If they sell flowers they are selling a product and cannot discriminate against anyone.

If they sell flower arrangements the arrangement is the talent of the florist. It is not a product. They don't have to sell to anyone.

The courts disagree so why do you persist? Gay marriage is now a thing. If you do weddings and can't do the gay ones, you are soon out of business and out of luck.

 

[Uncensored2008]

So...you now want to compare being gay or being black or being of a certain religion with bathing.

Fascinating where you want to take a simple law preventing discrimination in business dealings.

Homosexuality is a behavior - as is bathing.

Behavior is not race, it is not an inherent trait.

Can a business refuse to serve a person who does not bathe? You of the left claim that business owners are property of the state/party and can only do as ordered, so can a business refuse service to a malodorous customer?

 

[Flash]

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I support civil rights - you oppose them, simple as that.

How about the civil and Constitutional rights of the florist to exercise freedom of religion? Did you ever consider that? Liberals never support civil rights if conflicts with one of their filthy ass special interest groups desires, like the queers.

 

[Carla_Danger]

Here's a scenerio for you all to chew on.

Washington Business A sells flowers. Customer B comes in and orders flowers for a wedding that will take place at a Catholic church. Business owner A tells Customer B that they don't sell flowers nor flower arrangements to Catholics because of their personal belief system.

SO.....
1) Has Business A broken the law?

2) Does Customer A have the right to report them to the state if they have broken the law?

3) If the state finds that Business A has indeed broken the law, has the state the right to fine Business A based on the law?

4) Does Business A have the right to ignore the law and ignore the fine because they don't like it?

Why doesn't anyone want to answer these simple questions?

If they sell flowers they are selling a product and cannot discriminate against anyone.

If they sell flower arrangements the arrangement is the talent of the florist. It is not a product. They don't have to sell to anyone.

That's not what the judge said. The judge ruled that they violated (CPA) consumer protection law.

 

[Flash]

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Yeah, no shit. That kind of retardation cannot be cured with reason.

Nazis hated non-whites and homosexuals. Hmmmm, sounds like some people here we know. They can't stand the thought they have so much in common with Nazis and so they have to do a lot of mental twists to console themselves. I've seen it countless times.

It is not about hating or loving the queers.

It is about protecting the freedom of the Florist to exercise the freedom of religion and personal morality.

If you don't agree with his morality then that is fine but don't be a Libtard shithead and take those rights away from him. That is not cool.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Can a business refuse to serve a person who does not bathe?

Yes, if they are prepared to make that case in court should they need to. The better solution is to serve them outside.

The naked business doesn't not have to serve the clothed, the clothed business doesn't have to serve the naked, and neither is required to sell what they don't sell, but are required to serve all, under reasonable conditions that is.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

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Yeah, no shit. That kind of retardation cannot be cured with reason.

Nazis hated non-whites and homosexuals. Hmmmm, sounds like some people here we know. They can't stand the thought they have so much in common with Nazis and so they have to do a lot of mental twists to console themselves. I've seen it countless times.

It is not about hating or loving the queers.

It is about protecting the freedom of the Florist to exercise the freedom of religion and personal morality.

If you don't agree with his morality then that is fine but don't be a Libtard shithead and take those rights away from him. That is not cool.

Her morality, dummy. And running a business isn't serving God, it's serving man.

 

[Katzndogz]

How about this hypothetical. A man's brother in law passes away. After doing some research as to florists in his area he identifies the flower shop owned by a gay. He orders an elaborate funeral arrangement with a banner that says God Hates Fags. Should the flower shop be shut down if they refuse this order?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

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I support civil rights - you oppose them, simple as that.

How about the civil and Constitutional rights of the florist to exercise freedom of religion? Did you ever consider that? Liberals never support civil rights if conflicts with one of their filthy ass special interest groups desires, like the queers.

She can do pretty much whatever she likes in church, but businesses are required to follow Man's laws, not God's.