Florist Sued for Refusing Service to Gay Couple Pens Defiant Letter Rejecting Gov’t Settlement Offer

[Katzndogz]

Wait....so this is much ado about nothing. She provided her services to their wedding and this is a fantasy story like on "Dallas".

These gays have been customers for nine years. Obviously she did not refuse them service. What she refused was her artistry. She sells flowers. They could have bought flowers. What they wanted was her talent.

Artists are being punished for not producing political art. Just like every other totalitarian government has done since Pharoah chained sculptors to blocks of stone.

She also refused to endorse their marriage.

You can't yank someone's business license because they refuse to ENDORSE an event. Businesses are allowed to pick and choose who they want to publicly support.

Nonsense.

So anyone who walks up to Nike and says "You have to put your swoosh on my ads because I'm going to give you money" can force nike to endorse them?

Really? Is that how you think business works?

Lol.

You're on ignore now too. Boring. It was fun for a while. But one of you black morons is enough, and Schlep has more entertainment value. At least he can dance.

The way business works a is a ****** walks into a Nike store, and walks out 20 minutes later in new shoes. it's not complicated, and shouldn't be.

Right off the shelf. That's the way it is.

A gay goes to a designer and says that he wants a specially designed shoe.

The designer should be able to turn it down.

 

[Carla_Danger]

The florist did not refuse service to gays.

Wait....so this is much ado about nothing. She provided her services to their wedding and this is a fantasy story like on "Dallas".

These gays have been customers for nine years. Obviously she did not refuse them service. What she refused was her artistry. She sells flowers. They could have bought flowers. What they wanted was her talent.

Artists are being punished for not producing political art. Just like every other totalitarian government has done since Pharoah chained sculptors to blocks of stone.

She also refused to endorse their marriage.

You can't yank someone's business license because they refuse to ENDORSE an event. Businesses are allowed to pick and choose who they want to publicly support.

Nonsense.

So anyone who walks up to Nike and says "You have to put your swoosh on my ads because I'm going to give you money" can force nike to endorse them?

Really? Is that how you think business works?

Lol.

You're on ignore now too. Boring. It was fun for a while. But one of you black morons is enough, and Schlep has more entertainment value. At least he can dance.

This racist dingbat thinks she's going to heaven when she dies. LOL!

 

[g5000]

Only a truly ignorant fool would not know the Democrats of the 50s and 60s who opposed the civil rights movement were right wingers.

 

[bodecea]

Southern Democrats and Southern Republicans did. Yes they did. While Northern Democrats and Northern Republicans worked for civil rights.

Apparently KOS is slow in uploading your programming. Can a business discriminate based on bathing? Why or why not? (I'll wait while you log on to KOS to have the answer programmed into you..)

Seriously....you want to equate bathing with being gay or being Catholic.......

 

[kaz]

Segregationists and slave owners felt the same way.

They were just following the bible.

strawman

 

[Ravi]

Only a truly ignorant fool would not know the Democrats of the 50s and 60s who opposed civil rights were right wingers.

Welcome to USMB. There are a lot of those particular ignorant fools here.

 

[Seawytch]

How about this hypothetical. A man's brother in law passes away. After doing some research as to florists in his area he identifies the flower shop owned by a gay. He orders an elaborate funeral arrangement with a banner that says God Hates Fags. Should the flower shop be shut down if they refuse this order?

Sell him the flowers, he can get the banner elsewhere since in that situation those are Fighting Words, and therefore not protected. Personally, if I did banners, he can have whatever he likes up to the point where what he wants is illegal, as long as the check clears.

So a baker can bake a wedding cake for homos but refuse to put any wording or two little homos on the top of it?

I don't know why this is so difficult for you people to grasp. If you sell a product to person A, you cannot refuse to sell the same exact product to person B because they are gay, or black, or Christian, etc.

 

[bodecea]

So...you now want to compare being gay or being black or being of a certain religion with bathing.

Fascinating where you want to take a simple law preventing discrimination in business dealings.

Homosexuality is a behavior - as is bathing.

Behavior is not race, it is not an inherent trait.

Can a business refuse to serve a person who does not bathe? You of the left claim that business owners are property of the state/party and can only do as ordered, so can a business refuse service to a malodorous customer?

Then...being heterosexual is like bathing too. This is fun!

 

[Carla_Danger]

These gays have been customers for nine years. Obviously she did not refuse them service. What she refused was her artistry. She sells flowers. They could have bought flowers. What they wanted was her talent.

Artists are being punished for not producing political art. Just like every other totalitarian government has done since Pharoah chained sculptors to blocks of stone.

She also refused to endorse their marriage.

You can't yank someone's business license because they refuse to ENDORSE an event. Businesses are allowed to pick and choose who they want to publicly support.

Nonsense.

So anyone who walks up to Nike and says "You have to put your swoosh on my ads because I'm going to give you money" can force nike to endorse them?

Really? Is that how you think business works?

Lol.

You're on ignore now too. Boring. It was fun for a while. But one of you black morons is enough, and Schlep has more entertainment value. At least he can dance.

The way business works a is a ****** walks into a Nike store, and walks out 20 minutes later in new shoes. it's not complicated, and shouldn't be.

Right off the shelf. That's the way it is.

A gay goes to a designer and says that he wants a specially designed shoe.

The designer should be able to turn it down.

If that shoe design is specifically designed for weddings, then you have to do all weddings without discriminating based on sexual orientation.

What part of that don't you get?

 

[kaz]

George Wallace for President 1968 Campaign Brochure

ON STATES RIGHTS

I recommend that the states of the Union continue to determine the policies of their domestic institutions themselves and that the bureaucrats and theoreticians in Washington let people in Ohio and New York and California decide themselves... what type of school system they are going to have. I recommend states rights and local government, and territorial democracy...

ON VIETNAM

...I think the first thing we ought to do in this country is to impress upon Hanoi and Peking and Moscow the resolve of the American people. These few people today who are out advocating sedition and raising money and clothes and supplies for the Viet Cong -- these college professors who are making speeches advocating victory for the Viet Cong Communists -- I would deal with these people as they ought to be dealt with, as traitors.

And you guys thought the neocons under Bush invented this kind of talk.

The Southern Democrats like Wallace are their political ancestors.

Damn queer hating, sexist, racist corporation loving Republicans. Tell me how you are one again?

 

[BlindBoo]

Only a truly ignorant fool would not know the Democrats of the 50s and 60s who opposed the civil rights movement were right wingers.

And from the South.

 

[g5000]

If Wallace gave this speech at CPAC today, he'd get a standing ovation.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Only a truly ignorant fool would not know the Democrats of the 50s and 60s who opposed the civil rights movement were right wingers.

Nope. They were and always will be Democrats. When the Civil Rights act passed, a couple of Democrats, namely Strom Thurmond switched parties because he so strongly believed in segregation and the inferiority of the black man.

By the way, that would make a good sig line for someone. Too bad I don't bandy about people's stupidity on my sig line.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

These gays have been customers for nine years. Obviously she did not refuse them service. What she refused was her artistry. She sells flowers. They could have bought flowers. What they wanted was her talent.

Artists are being punished for not producing political art. Just like every other totalitarian government has done since Pharoah chained sculptors to blocks of stone.

She also refused to endorse their marriage.

You can't yank someone's business license because they refuse to ENDORSE an event. Businesses are allowed to pick and choose who they want to publicly support.

Nonsense.

So anyone who walks up to Nike and says "You have to put your swoosh on my ads because I'm going to give you money" can force nike to endorse them?

Really? Is that how you think business works?

Lol.

You're on ignore now too. Boring. It was fun for a while. But one of you black morons is enough, and Schlep has more entertainment value. At least he can dance.

The way business works a is a ****** walks into a Nike store, and walks out 20 minutes later in new shoes. it's not complicated, and shouldn't be.

Right off the shelf. That's the way it is.

A gay goes to a designer and says that he wants a specially designed shoe.

The designer should be able to turn it down.

No, he shouldn't, and by law he very likely can't. If you take money for something, take the money. The lifestyle and sexual orientation of the customer is none of your damn business.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Only a truly ignorant fool would not know the Democrats of the 50s and 60s who opposed the civil rights movement were right wingers.

And from the South.

Does being in the south automatically make us racist? Are you channeling your inner Mary Landrieu?

 

[g5000]

George Wallace for President 1968 Campaign Brochure

ON STATES RIGHTS

I recommend that the states of the Union continue to determine the policies of their domestic institutions themselves and that the bureaucrats and theoreticians in Washington let people in Ohio and New York and California decide themselves... what type of school system they are going to have. I recommend states rights and local government, and territorial democracy...

ON VIETNAM

...I think the first thing we ought to do in this country is to impress upon Hanoi and Peking and Moscow the resolve of the American people. These few people today who are out advocating sedition and raising money and clothes and supplies for the Viet Cong -- these college professors who are making speeches advocating victory for the Viet Cong Communists -- I would deal with these people as they ought to be dealt with, as traitors.

And you guys thought the neocons under Bush invented this kind of talk.

The Southern Democrats like Wallace are their political ancestors.

Damn queer hating, sexist, racist corporation loving Republicans. Tell me how you are one again?

I am old school conservative Republican who would like to see the racists and bigots who have infected our party exorcised. The Southern Strategy had the effect of overwhelming the GOP with liars, racists, bigots, psychopaths, and hypocrites.

I'd like to send you back to the Democrats.

 

[g5000]

Only a truly ignorant fool would not know the Democrats of the 50s and 60s who opposed the civil rights movement were right wingers.

And from the South.

Does being in the south automatically make us racist?

Are you that stupid?

 

[kaz]

How about this hypothetical. A man's brother in law passes away. After doing some research as to florists in his area he identifies the flower shop owned by a gay. He orders an elaborate funeral arrangement with a banner that says God Hates Fags. Should the flower shop be shut down if they refuse this order?

Sell him the flowers, he can get the banner elsewhere since in that situation those are Fighting Words, and therefore not protected. Personally, if I did banners, he can have whatever he likes up to the point where what he wants is illegal, as long as the check clears.

So a baker can bake a wedding cake for homos but refuse to put any wording or two little homos on the top of it?

I don't know why this is so difficult for you people to grasp. If you sell a product to person A, you cannot refuse to sell the same exact product to person B because they are gay, or black, or Christian, etc.

I don't sell to people who are rude to my staff, jerk us around about paying their invoices and for a bunch of other reasons. I also don't sell to people I don't think will buy enough. I don't sell to people for a bunch of reasons, they are all good reasons, but they are up to me, not you. Your hostility doesn't change that

 

[g5000]

So, as I was saying...

Funny - fact shows it was your democrats who forced blacks to the back of the bus.

Funny - facts show those Democrats were far right wing conservatives. They are your political ancestors.

Funny - that part of the equation is always willfully censored out by the people pouring that piss you drink with so much gusto.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

How about this hypothetical. A man's brother in law passes away. After doing some research as to florists in his area he identifies the flower shop owned by a gay. He orders an elaborate funeral arrangement with a banner that says God Hates Fags. Should the flower shop be shut down if they refuse this order?

Sell him the flowers, he can get the banner elsewhere since in that situation those are Fighting Words, and therefore not protected. Personally, if I did banners, he can have whatever he likes up to the point where what he wants is illegal, as long as the check clears.

So a baker can bake a wedding cake for homos but refuse to put any wording or two little homos on the top of it?

I don't know why this is so difficult for you people to grasp. If you sell a product to person A, you cannot refuse to sell the same exact product to person B because they are gay, or black, or Christian, etc.

I don't sell to people who are rude to my staff, jerk us around about paying their invoices and for a bunch of other reasons. I also don't sell to people I don't think will buy enough. I don't sell to people for a bunch of reasons, they are all good reasons, but they are up to me, not you. Your hostility doesn't change that

Pick you reasons carefully, or be prepared to defend them in court.