Florist Sued for Refusing Service to Gay Couple Pens Defiant Letter Rejecting Gov’t Settlement Offer

[Ravi]

The couple wanted flowers. that's perfectly understandable. But, according to the tight ass florist, and you who are similarly tight assed, 'the homos' don't deserve flowers because of their lifestyle.

And you dare call yourself American. You should re-examine what being an American means.

She never refused to sell them flowers and had sold them flowers many times in the past.

Yep. She sold flower arrangements to two gay men living in sin. Which by her own logic would be a sin.

But not sacrilege.

Oh right! Unmarried gay sex is not sacrilege.

No, because ass sex isn't a sacrament.

Adultery is a mortal sin. See the 10 commandments. But this woman gladly supported it.

 

[koshergrl]

She never refused to sell them flowers and had sold them flowers many times in the past.

Yep. She sold flower arrangements to two gay men living in sin. Which by her own logic would be a sin.

But not sacrilege.

Oh right! Unmarried gay sex is not sacrilege.

No, because ass sex isn't a sacrament.

Adultery is a mortal sin. See the 10 commandments. But this woman gladly supported it.

It's not sacrilege to provide flowers to sinners. Everybody is a sinner dear.

It is sacrilege to celebrate homo marriage, as marriage is a holy sacrament, and to bastardize it is to openly defy and renounce God.

 

[Ravi]

She's being persecuted for opting out of creating art that celebrates and event she considers a sacrilegious desecration of a sacrament.

She didn't discriminate against anybody, she didn't toss anyone out of her shop. She didn't say "You can't buy flowers and take them to your event." She just said "I will not create special art for an event I object to on a religious basis."

She doesn't have to. And the left naturally will crucify her for it. You guys are good at crucifixion.

Her flowers are not integral to the event. They are not part of any sacrament, ritual, rite or worship. They are decorative, that's all.

She cannot hide behind her faith to rationalize her bad behavior. She is adopting the same tactics as the Taliban when she perverts her faith to discriminate.

In which case, her refusing to arrange them in no way restricts the freedom of the homos to celebrate their sexuality as they choose.

The couple wanted flowers. that's perfectly understandable. But, according to the tight ass florist, and you who are similarly tight assed, 'the homos' don't deserve flowers because of their lifestyle.

And you dare call yourself American. You should re-examine what being an American means.

American means not being persecuted for your faith. For not having to fear that your business will be shut down and you will be thrown in prison if you refuse to renounce your faith.

I know what being American is. It's freedom. You statist creeps belong in N. Korea, and I'm eternally hopeful that is where you'll end up.

Being an American today no more means freedom than it did to Egyptian slaves chained to rocks. If an artist does not have the freedom to create or not create there is no freedom. There is only permission.

And yet you freely refuse to do caricatures whenever you please.

 

[Nosmo King]

She's being persecuted for opting out of creating art that celebrates and event she considers a sacrilegious desecration of a sacrament.

She didn't discriminate against anybody, she didn't toss anyone out of her shop. She didn't say "You can't buy flowers and take them to your event." She just said "I will not create special art for an event I object to on a religious basis."

She doesn't have to. And the left naturally will crucify her for it. You guys are good at crucifixion.

Her flowers are not integral to the event. They are not part of any sacrament, ritual, rite or worship. They are decorative, that's all.

She cannot hide behind her faith to rationalize her bad behavior. She is adopting the same tactics as the Taliban when she perverts her faith to discriminate.

In which case, her refusing to arrange them in no way restricts the freedom of the homos to celebrate their sexuality as they choose.

The couple wanted flowers. that's perfectly understandable. But, according to the tight ass florist, and you who are similarly tight assed, 'the homos' don't deserve flowers because of their lifestyle.

And you dare call yourself American. You should re-examine what being an American means.

American means not being persecuted for your faith. For not having to fear that your business will be shut down and you will be thrown in prison if you refuse to renounce your faith.

I know what being American is. It's freedom. You statist creeps belong in N. Korea, and I'm eternally hopeful that is where you'll end up.

Being an American today no more means freedom than it did to Egyptian slaves chained to rocks. If an artist does not have the freedom to create or not create there is no freedom. There is only permission.

What other craftsmen get to hide behind artistic temperament or the Book of Leviticus? Bakers, DJs, photographers, wedding singers?

If these folks are the homophobes we take them for, wouldn't it be at least more honest and noble for them to say so rather than grab a Bible and use it as a baseball bat?

 

[Nosmo King]

Yep. She sold flower arrangements to two gay men living in sin. Which by her own logic would be a sin.

But not sacrilege.

Oh right! Unmarried gay sex is not sacrilege.

No, because ass sex isn't a sacrament.

Adultery is a mortal sin. See the 10 commandments. But this woman gladly supported it.

It's not sacrilege to provide flowers to sinners. Everybody is a sinner dear.

It is sacrilege to celebrate homo marriage, as marriage is a holy sacrament, and to bastardize it is to openly defy and renounce God.

Marriage is a sacrament IN A CHURCH, NOT A BUSINESS!!!!!

 

[koshergrl]

The only person in this thread using the bible as a bat is ravtard and her buds.

Marriage is a sacrament. Just because you weirdoes claim it's not doesn't mean we're obliged to participate when you make a mockery of it.

To us, it's a sacrament. And we won't be participating in it's degradation. You go right ahead and do whatever you want. But you won't get us to decorate the hall, bake the cakes, or hand out food.

 

[Syriusly]

"“The message of these rulings is unmistakable: The government will bring about your personal and professional ruin if you don’t help celebrate same-sex marriage,” Kristen Waggoner, a lawyer for the alliance, said...“The attorney general’s targeting of Barronelle was unprecedented,” Waggoner said. “He has had 18 months to end the threat to our client’s freedom and livelihood. It is interesting that this offer only materialized after his crusade to ruin this 70-year-old grandmother was exposed nationally.”

Florist who refused to do flowers for gay wedding to appeal KOIN.com

Wash. florist broke laws for rejecting gay couple - NY Daily News

Benton County Superior Court Judge Alex Ekstrom rejected arguments from the owner of Arlene's Flowers in Richland that her actions were protected by her freedoms of speech and religion. While religious beliefs are protected by the First Amendment, actions based on those beliefs aren't necessarily protected, he said.

"For over 135 years, the Supreme Court has held that laws may prohibit religiously motivated action, as opposed to belief," Ekstrom wrote. "The Courts have confirmed the power of the Legislative Branch to prohibit conduct it deems discriminatory, even where the motivation for that conduct is grounded in religious belief."

 

[koshergrl]

But not sacrilege.

Oh right! Unmarried gay sex is not sacrilege.

No, because ass sex isn't a sacrament.

Adultery is a mortal sin. See the 10 commandments. But this woman gladly supported it.

It's not sacrilege to provide flowers to sinners. Everybody is a sinner dear.

It is sacrilege to celebrate homo marriage, as marriage is a holy sacrament, and to bastardize it is to openly defy and renounce God.

Marriage is a sacrament IN A CHURCH, NOT A BUSINESS!!!!!

Ok, you're dismissed now. You obviously have no clue what the hell you're talking about.

Anyway, you don't get to dictate to me, or to any other Christian, what we see as sacraments. Though, incidentally, you are wrong. It's always a sacrament. That's why we won't be participating when you do other shit and call it "marriage".

 

[Syriusly]

Actually, the Taliban employs the tactics YOU loons are using. They employ the state and the law to persecute those who have a different faith, and who fail to properly observe those disgusting practices they hold near and dear.

I'm afraid if we're going to bring the Taliban into it, you are the Taliban in this case.

LOL! It's you that share's the Taliban's values.

And what makes you think the two men aren't Christian?

I have no idea if they're Christian or not. I don't care.
As I said. Using the law to persecute someone for their faith..that's puts you with the Taliban. And all the other well known statist killers of the past.

No one is being persecuted for their faith.

Everyone is subject to the law.

 

[Nosmo King]

The only person in this thread using the bible as a bat is ravtard and her buds.

Marriage is a sacrament. Just because you weirdoes claim it's not doesn't mean we're obliged to participate when you make a mockery of it.

To us, it's a sacrament. And we won't be participating in it's degradation. You go right ahead and do whatever you want. But you won't get us to decorate the hall, bake the cakes, or hand out food.

We are not governed by dogma. If a church views marriage as a sacrament it's perfectly legal for that church to refuse that sacrament to those who are not worthy in the view of that church.

The personal whims of a business person do not apply when that business person is a licensed business open to the public.

For years Conservatives have told us that corporations are people too. In spite of the fact that corporations don't have a vote, cannot be drafted into military service or be eligible for any federal largess like Social Security or Medicare. Now Conservatives are telling us that companies have religious freedom.

It's a strange and dangerous melding of corporate culture with the advantages soley in the company's corner. Companies, business people have no freedom to impose their peculiar beliefs with the thin veneer of Christianity applied just to discriminate against their fellow Americans because that company, that business person thinks those American's lifestyle is 'icky'.

 

[Ravi]

Yep. She sold flower arrangements to two gay men living in sin. Which by her own logic would be a sin.

But not sacrilege.

Oh right! Unmarried gay sex is not sacrilege.

No, because ass sex isn't a sacrament.

Adultery is a mortal sin. See the 10 commandments. But this woman gladly supported it.

It's not sacrilege to provide flowers to sinners. Everybody is a sinner dear.

It is sacrilege to celebrate homo marriage, as marriage is a holy sacrament, and to bastardize it is to openly defy and renounce God.

Keep pretending she isn't a hypocrite.

 

[Nosmo King]

Oh right! Unmarried gay sex is not sacrilege.

No, because ass sex isn't a sacrament.

Adultery is a mortal sin. See the 10 commandments. But this woman gladly supported it.

It's not sacrilege to provide flowers to sinners. Everybody is a sinner dear.

It is sacrilege to celebrate homo marriage, as marriage is a holy sacrament, and to bastardize it is to openly defy and renounce God.

Marriage is a sacrament IN A CHURCH, NOT A BUSINESS!!!!!

Ok, you're dismissed now. You obviously have no clue what the hell you're talking about.

Anyway, you don't get to dictate to me, or to any other Christian, what we see as sacraments. Though, incidentally, you are wrong. It's always a sacrament. That's why we won't be participating when you do other shit and call it "marriage".

The florist, the wedding singer, the caterer, the photographer DO NOT PARTICIPATE IN THE SACRAMENT!!!!

They are vendors, not clergy. And their personal whims about sin do not apply in their business practices, so long as they have a business OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

 

[Katzndogz]

No, because ass sex isn't a sacrament.

Adultery is a mortal sin. See the 10 commandments. But this woman gladly supported it.

It's not sacrilege to provide flowers to sinners. Everybody is a sinner dear.

It is sacrilege to celebrate homo marriage, as marriage is a holy sacrament, and to bastardize it is to openly defy and renounce God.

Marriage is a sacrament IN A CHURCH, NOT A BUSINESS!!!!!

Ok, you're dismissed now. You obviously have no clue what the hell you're talking about.

Anyway, you don't get to dictate to me, or to any other Christian, what we see as sacraments. Though, incidentally, you are wrong. It's always a sacrament. That's why we won't be participating when you do other shit and call it "marriage".

The florist, the wedding singer, the caterer, the photographer DO NOT PARTICIPATE IN THE SACRAMENT!!!!

They are vendors, not clergy. And their personal whims about sin do not apply in their business practices, so long as they have a business OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

The customer is entitled to the product not the artistry.

 

[Nosmo King]

Adultery is a mortal sin. See the 10 commandments. But this woman gladly supported it.

It's not sacrilege to provide flowers to sinners. Everybody is a sinner dear.

It is sacrilege to celebrate homo marriage, as marriage is a holy sacrament, and to bastardize it is to openly defy and renounce God.

Marriage is a sacrament IN A CHURCH, NOT A BUSINESS!!!!!

Ok, you're dismissed now. You obviously have no clue what the hell you're talking about.

Anyway, you don't get to dictate to me, or to any other Christian, what we see as sacraments. Though, incidentally, you are wrong. It's always a sacrament. That's why we won't be participating when you do other shit and call it "marriage".

The florist, the wedding singer, the caterer, the photographer DO NOT PARTICIPATE IN THE SACRAMENT!!!!

They are vendors, not clergy. And their personal whims about sin do not apply in their business practices, so long as they have a business OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

The customer is entitled to the product not the artistry.

So some loose, unkempt flowers is what a customer should expect? That's ridiculous.

 

[Seawytch]

But celebrating heterosexual sex acts is okay. Just not homosexual marriage. And yet you don't understand that the refusal was based entirely on that fact. That's discrimination.

Yep. They've been serving two men who just didn't happen to be gay but were also living in sin.

It doesn't really get much more hypocritical.

You still can't force us to participate. You can gyrate all you want. It won't make any difference. At the end of the day..we won't be bringing the cake in or doing the flowers.

Please stop imagining me gyrating. I don't want any part in your fantasy life.

And btw, no one forced this woman to supply arrangements for weddings. She chose that option of her own free will.

Not to mention that your post did not change the fact of her epic hypocrisy.

She's being persecuted for opting out of creating art that celebrates and event she considers a sacrilegious desecration of a sacrament.

She didn't discriminate against anybody, she didn't toss anyone out of her shop. She didn't say "You can't buy flowers and take them to your event." She just said "I will not create special art for an event I object to on a religious basis."

She doesn't have to. And the left naturally will crucify her for it. You guys are good at crucifixion.

Yet she'll create special art for two gay men living in sin. Delicious!

If you think about it, she was complicit in their getting married by providing them flowers for their romance.

 

[Nosmo King]

Oh right! Unmarried gay sex is not sacrilege.

No, because ass sex isn't a sacrament.

Adultery is a mortal sin. See the 10 commandments. But this woman gladly supported it.

It's not sacrilege to provide flowers to sinners. Everybody is a sinner dear.

It is sacrilege to celebrate homo marriage, as marriage is a holy sacrament, and to bastardize it is to openly defy and renounce God.

Marriage is a sacrament IN A CHURCH, NOT A BUSINESS!!!!!

Ok, you're dismissed now. You obviously have no clue what the hell you're talking about.

Anyway, you don't get to dictate to me, or to any other Christian, what we see as sacraments. Though, incidentally, you are wrong. It's always a sacrament. That's why we won't be participating when you do other shit and call it "marriage".

Marriage is only a sacrament in the eyes of the church and its congregants, not everyone. Marriage is not ALWAYS a sacrament. there are plenty of civil ceremonies, secular ceremonies, ceremonies that...get ready for it..not Christian. Marriage is, in fact, a matter of contract law. Churches may sanctify it as a sacrament. But in the eyes of the state, marriage is a contract. No vendor has the right to impose their imperator, their approval, their blessing on each and every marriage they serve.

 

[Syriusly]

Adultery is a mortal sin. See the 10 commandments. But this woman gladly supported it.

It's not sacrilege to provide flowers to sinners. Everybody is a sinner dear.

It is sacrilege to celebrate homo marriage, as marriage is a holy sacrament, and to bastardize it is to openly defy and renounce God.

Marriage is a sacrament IN A CHURCH, NOT A BUSINESS!!!!!

Ok, you're dismissed now. You obviously have no clue what the hell you're talking about.

Anyway, you don't get to dictate to me, or to any other Christian, what we see as sacraments. Though, incidentally, you are wrong. It's always a sacrament. That's why we won't be participating when you do other shit and call it "marriage".

The florist, the wedding singer, the caterer, the photographer DO NOT PARTICIPATE IN THE SACRAMENT!!!!

They are vendors, not clergy. And their personal whims about sin do not apply in their business practices, so long as they have a business OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

The customer is entitled to the product not the artistry.

The customer is entitled to whatever product or service offered by the vendor- regardless of whether the customer is black, white, blind or sighted, Russian or American, Christian or Muslim, Straight or Gay.

 

[Dot Com]

How about an example?

Boycotts of gay owned businesses. Or, Muslim owned, or [name your protected class] owned. Should the same legal principle be applied?

You can boycott any business you like. Business isn't protected from boycotts under PA law.

I understand the current legal status. I'm asking if you think it should be prohibited on the same grounds. Why is it any different?

A business isn't a person. You could have a business run by gay people that caters to gay people but the business itself is not gay (or muslim, etc.).

We're talking about the people working at the business. You really don't see the inconsistency here?

The principles at the core of these kinds of laws are corrosive, and as they are applied more generally will become ever more problematic. Every time a new "protected class" is added to the list it's going to get worse.

yeah. Having xstians being a protected class is enough right?

 

[Skylar]

What damage did they suffer? They had to go to another florist? They targeted this florist intentionally. Only on the immoral Lefts is the aggressor turned into a "victim".

They "targeted this florist intentionally" by going to her for 9 years. Listen to yourself lie.

Actually, the lawsuit by the couple isn't really an issue. I believe they sued for something like $3, the cost of traveling to another shop. The shop owner is being fined for violating the law, not because of a lawsuit.

And now the law itself will be put on trial.

Of course. It is really good to see people so enthusiastic about the federal government stepping in to tell a state what laws it can or cannot have. I hadn't realized how many strident proponents of nationalism we had.

Nonsense. It's a bad law. Those who believe in liberty have ALWAYS fought against bad law, and have ALWAYS opted that there should be fewer, not more laws. That's not to say NO laws at all..we do need laws.

Always, huh? So if Christian belief 'always' trumps civil law, does Sharia 'always' trump it too?

This is your 'always' test.

 

[Skylar]

Right. They were immediately seen by someone else. They are real martyrs alright.

They still were discriminated by the Florist and they suffered damages from that interaction. That's the law buddy.

What damage did they suffer? They had to go to another florist? They targeted this florist intentionally. Only on the immoral Lefts is the aggressor turned into a "victim".

They "targeted this florist intentionally" by going to her for 9 years. Listen to yourself lie.

Actually, the lawsuit by the couple isn't really an issue. I believe they sued for something like $3, the cost of traveling to another shop. The shop owner is being fined for violating the law, not because of a lawsuit.

The couple didn't sue, or file a complaint.

Yes, they did.