Flordia Man Murders Door To Door Salesman For Stepping On His Property

[kaz]

He likely is some hard right nutcase that thought the guy was an Obama operative sent from Soro's communist/maxist/socialist army to break into his house to "take hizz gunnnnnnnzzzzzz!!

When you have to use word like 'likely', you lost your argument. Just sayin'.

Why haven't you answered RDD 1210's post on where you have called out fox or other radical right wing outlets on their BS?

You like the old days when people only heard views you agreed with as it should be, eh?

 

[California Girl]

He likely is some hard right nutcase that thought the guy was an Obama operative sent from Soro's communist/maxist/socialist army to break into his house to "take hizz gunnnnnnnzzzzzz!!

When you have to use word like 'likely', you lost your argument. Just sayin'.

Why haven't you answered RDD 1210's post on where you have called out fox or other radical right wing outlets on their BS?

I have answered it. Idiot. That moron, and you, are welcome to search USMB and find plenty of examples of where I've slammed Fox, and the right wing occasionally... unlike you, I am not a hack. I do not blindly follow any ideology.

 

[Intense]

This guy sounds like a first class card carrying teabagger.

"A man in Cape Coral, Florida on Wednesday was arrested for shooting and killing an unarmed door-to-door salesman on his property.

Kenneth Bailey Roop, 52, has been charged with second-degree murder for killing 30-year-old Nicholas Rainey.

A co-worker who witnessed the shooting said Rainey had knocked on Roop’s door, but received no answer. While Rainey was walking down the drive-way, Roop pulled up in his pickup truck and asked why Rainey was at his house. Rainey explained that he was selling steak and seafood. The witness said Roop then pulled out a black handgun and shot Rainey. As Rainey lay on the ground, Roop fired another bullet into the back of his head.

Roop later told police that he shot Rainey in the head “for effect” and that he had three no trespassing signs on his property. Roop said he feared for his life.

“I’m not going to give him the chance to do something to me,” he told police. “I was in fear."

I bet he's going to claim "stand your ground"

Florida man kills door-to-door salesman: I

Obviously, like you, the Shooter is a Liar. I'm Tea Party, and what I see described here is a cold blooded killing. I don't know what the Shooting Law is in Florida, relating to plainly Posted No Trespassing Signs, and the Right to Fire, but that second shot to the back of the head was malicious, sort of like you equating the incident to a Tea Party Mentality. You are predictable, if nothing else.

 

[Black_Label]

When you have to use word like 'likely', you lost your argument. Just sayin'.

Why haven't you answered RDD 1210's post on where you have called out fox or other radical right wing outlets on their BS?

I have answered it. Idiot. That moron, and you, are welcome to search USMB and find plenty of examples of where I've slammed Fox, and the right wing occasionally... unlike you, I am not a hack. I do not blindly follow any ideology.

I've never seen a single case, even in the thread I posted showing a right wing radio host claiming the CO shooter was a lib and the democrats caused it. You not only trolled up that thread, but not a single time "hammered" him like you said you do.

Until you can prove you have "hammered" fox and the other radical right outlets, you are nothing but an ultra-right wing partisan hack.

 

[California Girl]

Why haven't you answered RDD 1210's post on where you have called out fox or other radical right wing outlets on their BS?

I have answered it. Idiot. That moron, and you, are welcome to search USMB and find plenty of examples of where I've slammed Fox, and the right wing occasionally... unlike you, I am not a hack. I do not blindly follow any ideology.

I've never seen a single case, even in the thread I posted showing a right wing radio host claiming the CO shooter was a lib and the democrats caused it. You not only trolled up that thread, but not a single time "hammered" him like you said you do.

Until you can prove you have "hammered" fox and the other radical right outlets, you are nothing but an ultra-right wing partisan hack.

I don't have to 'prove' it. You want to know... fine, the posts are all here - on this very board. You are welcome to go look - I ain't gonna spoon feed your lazy ass.... but, since I regularly get repped by liberals for slamming some right wing crap, you're gonna lose this one... assuming you want to carry on with this bullshit. Go ******* look. It's all there. Lazy ******* lefty.

Oh, and I might just point out one glaringly obvious point... You joined this board a month ago... I've been here since 09.... I'm quietly confident that you 'never having seen' something is nothing short of completely irrelevant. Twit.

 

[J.E.D]

We can assume your selective outrage over gun slaughter is due to your holding black people to a lower standard.

Shut the **** up you racist piece of shit.

using the ol leftist tactics. way to stay classy.

If calling a racist out for what he is makes me a leftist then I'll gladly carry that label. Carry on, ass clown.

 

[Black_Label]

I have answered it. Idiot. That moron, and you, are welcome to search USMB and find plenty of examples of where I've slammed Fox, and the right wing occasionally... unlike you, I am not a hack. I do not blindly follow any ideology.

I've never seen a single case, even in the thread I posted showing a right wing radio host claiming the CO shooter was a lib and the democrats caused it. You not only trolled up that thread, but not a single time "hammered" him like you said you do.

Until you can prove you have "hammered" fox and the other radical right outlets, you are nothing but an ultra-right wing partisan hack.

I don't have to 'prove' it. You want to know... fine, the posts are all here - on this very board. You are welcome to go look - I ain't gonna spoon feed your lazy ass.... but, since I regularly get repped by liberals for slamming some right wing crap, you're gonna lose this one... assuming you want to carry on with this bullshit. Go ******* look. It's all there. Lazy ******* lefty.

You made the claim that you "hammer" fox and other hard right partisan outlets when they spread BS, I've never seen a case nor have others.

That is your responsibility to prove your wild accusation. We all think you are an ultra right wing hack, until you prove otherwise, it will stay.

 

[California Girl]

I've never seen a single case, even in the thread I posted showing a right wing radio host claiming the CO shooter was a lib and the democrats caused it. You not only trolled up that thread, but not a single time "hammered" him like you said you do.

Until you can prove you have "hammered" fox and the other radical right outlets, you are nothing but an ultra-right wing partisan hack.

I don't have to 'prove' it. You want to know... fine, the posts are all here - on this very board. You are welcome to go look - I ain't gonna spoon feed your lazy ass.... but, since I regularly get repped by liberals for slamming some right wing crap, you're gonna lose this one... assuming you want to carry on with this bullshit. Go ******* look. It's all there. Lazy ******* lefty.

You made the claim that you "hammer" fox and other hard right partisan outlets when they spread BS, I've never seen a case nor have others.

That is your responsibility to prove your wild accusation. We all think you are an ultra right wing hack, until you prove otherwise, it will stay.

Nope, it's not my 'responsibility'. I don't have to 'prove' anything to you. You are welcome to use the quite simple 'search' function if you are inclined to... but I don't spoon feed hysterical hyperbolic bullshitters.

However, I am curious as to when you were elected to speak on behalf of other people... who exactly are these 'we all' that you refer to? Idiot.

 

[Freewill]

I don't have to 'prove' it. You want to know... fine, the posts are all here - on this very board. You are welcome to go look - I ain't gonna spoon feed your lazy ass.... but, since I regularly get repped by liberals for slamming some right wing crap, you're gonna lose this one... assuming you want to carry on with this bullshit. Go ******* look. It's all there. Lazy ******* lefty.

You made the claim that you "hammer" fox and other hard right partisan outlets when they spread BS, I've never seen a case nor have others.

That is your responsibility to prove your wild accusation. We all think you are an ultra right wing hack, until you prove otherwise, it will stay.

Nope, it's not my 'responsibility'. I don't have to 'prove' anything to you. You are welcome to use the quite simple 'search' function if you are inclined to... but I don't spoon feed hysterical hyperbolic bullshitters.

However, I am curious as to when you were elected to speak on behalf of other people... who exactly are these 'we all' that you refer to? Idiot.

CaliforniaGirl, there is an asteroid heading to Earth which will destroy the planet. Unless you can prove ME wrong then I am right and we are doomed.

 

[Black_Label]

I don't have to 'prove' it. You want to know... fine, the posts are all here - on this very board. You are welcome to go look - I ain't gonna spoon feed your lazy ass.... but, since I regularly get repped by liberals for slamming some right wing crap, you're gonna lose this one... assuming you want to carry on with this bullshit. Go ******* look. It's all there. Lazy ******* lefty.

You made the claim that you "hammer" fox and other hard right partisan outlets when they spread BS, I've never seen a case nor have others.

That is your responsibility to prove your wild accusation. We all think you are an ultra right wing hack, until you prove otherwise, it will stay.

Nope, it's not my 'responsibility'. I don't have to 'prove' anything to you. You are welcome to use the quite simple 'search' function if you are inclined to... but I don't spoon feed hysterical hyperbolic bullshitters.

However, I am curious as to when you were elected to speak on behalf of other people... who exactly are these 'we all' that you refer to? Idiot.

Thanks for confirming what we already knew, that you are an ultra right wing partisan piece of shit

I still also love going back to this thread and lol'ing at how you took the gold medal in who "daves" the most

http://www.usmessageboard.com/the-flame-zone/231313-who-daves-the-hardest-in-the-flame-zone.html

 

[California Girl]

You made the claim that you "hammer" fox and other hard right partisan outlets when they spread BS, I've never seen a case nor have others.

That is your responsibility to prove your wild accusation. We all think you are an ultra right wing hack, until you prove otherwise, it will stay.

Nope, it's not my 'responsibility'. I don't have to 'prove' anything to you. You are welcome to use the quite simple 'search' function if you are inclined to... but I don't spoon feed hysterical hyperbolic bullshitters.

However, I am curious as to when you were elected to speak on behalf of other people... who exactly are these 'we all' that you refer to? Idiot.

Thanks for confirming what we already knew, that you are an ultra right wing partisan piece of shit

I still also love going back to this thread and lol'ing at how you took the gold medal in who "daves" the most

http://www.usmessageboard.com/the-flame-zone/231313-who-daves-the-hardest-in-the-flame-zone.html

We? Speak for yourself, coward. Stand on your own... break away from the herd and be a grown up. Even the 'dave' thing.... ******* herd mentality. Desperate to be one of the gang. Coward.

What a loser you are... everyone who disagrees with your asinine drivel is a 'ultra right wing' 'extremist' 'racist' blah, blah, blah.

Oh, and... I voted for myself in Catz asinine poll. Humor. Some of us have it... clearly you struggle with that. Sad boy.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

A co-worker who witnessed the shooting said Rainey had knocked on Roop’s door, but received no answer. While Rainey was walking down the drive-way, Roop pulled up in his pickup truck and asked why Rainey was at his house. Rainey explained that he was selling steak and seafood. The witness said Roop then pulled out a black handgun and shot Rainey. As Rainey lay on the ground, Roop fired another bullet into the back of his head.

Roop later told police that he shot Rainey in the head “for effect” and that he had three no trespassing signs on his property. Roop said he feared for his life.

Again, this was not the original intent of Florida lawmakers when they enacted SYG.

One can not engage in ‘pre-emptive’ self-defense.

In Florida SYG was conceived in the context of home invasion, epidemic in the State at the time. To ensure a comprehensive application of the law, ‘castle doctrine’/SYG was expanded to include one’s car (car jacking was also epidemic), at a friend’s, neighbor’s, or family member’s home, at work, or ‘anywhere one has a right or is expected to be.’

However, homeowners and property owners are still expected to exercise common sense and good faith with regard to using deadly force, one is not required to retreat but that does not mean he may go on the offensive or otherwise place himself in danger only to justify a SYG defense.

In the case of the OP incident the proper course of action for the homeowner if he felt threatened would be to remain in his vehicle and drive to a safe location to contact authorities. A charge of second-degree murder is indeed justified.

 

[Againsheila]

What is alarming is that people actually think theft justifies killing. Personal danger may justify a self-defense reaction resulting in death for the attacker, but killing someone expressly because they steal is Medieval at best.

One of the main reasons I stopped carrying a firearm was the idea that everywhere I was, there was a gun. It did not guarantee I would be the one to use it. And at exactly what point does one produce the weapon? And who else might have one and whom might they shoot, seeing another firearm? It gets pretty complicated and pretty scary pretty quickly. In reality, the probability of 'needing' a gun is so low that the constant presence is unnecessary.

Try breaking in my truck and see what happens.

You sound like the guy this thread is about,...

The guy this thread is about shot an unarmed person, wounding him and then shot him in the head to kill him. The person did nothing more than knock on his door. Had the person been robbing him, my sympathy would go with the guy who did the shooting, except of course for the head shot. Once he's out of commission you stop and let the police handle it.

 

[Againsheila]

A co-worker who witnessed the shooting said Rainey had knocked on Roop’s door, but received no answer. While Rainey was walking down the drive-way, Roop pulled up in his pickup truck and asked why Rainey was at his house. Rainey explained that he was selling steak and seafood. The witness said Roop then pulled out a black handgun and shot Rainey. As Rainey lay on the ground, Roop fired another bullet into the back of his head.

Roop later told police that he shot Rainey in the head “for effect” and that he had three no trespassing signs on his property. Roop said he feared for his life.

Again, this was not the original intent of Florida lawmakers when they enacted SYG.

One can not engage in ‘pre-emptive’ self-defense.

In Florida SYG was conceived in the context of home invasion, epidemic in the State at the time. To ensure a comprehensive application of the law, ‘castle doctrine’/SYG was expanded to include one’s car (car jacking was also epidemic), at a friend’s, neighbor’s, or family member’s home, at work, or ‘anywhere one has a right or is expected to be.’

However, homeowners and property owners are still expected to exercise common sense and good faith with regard to using deadly force, one is not required to retreat but that does not mean he may go on the offensive or otherwise place himself in danger only to justify a SYG defense.

In the case of the OP incident the proper course of action for the homeowner if he felt threatened would be to remain in his vehicle and drive to a safe location to contact authorities. A charge of second-degree murder is indeed justified.

I think the shot to the back of the head makes it first degree murder....

 

[California Girl]

Try breaking in my truck and see what happens.

You sound like the guy this thread is about,...

The guy this thread is about shot an unarmed person, wounding him and then shot him in the head to kill him. The person did nothing more than knock on his door. Had the person been robbing him, my sympathy would go with the guy who did the shooting, except of course for the head shot. Once he's out of commission you stop and let the police handle it.

Frankly, I find it somewhat worrisome that some people feel the need to politicize these crimes. Sick freaks.

 

[bodecea]

How many people were offed in Chicago last night over a pair of tennis shoes?

Or is your outrage over senseless death selective?

deflection attempt.

 

[bodecea]

How many people were offed in Chicago last night over a pair of tennis shoes?

You tell me, I haven't heard of a single case. I'm sure you have solid proof to back up that wild accusation,...

We can assume your selective outrage over gun slaughter is due to your holding black people to a lower standard.

Interesting....why are you making this a Race thing?

 

[bodecea]

it is not common sense....it is however human compassion

Well, then. You can see why some on this thread don't understand then.

 

[The T]

You sound like the guy this thread is about,...

The guy this thread is about shot an unarmed person, wounding him and then shot him in the head to kill him. The person did nothing more than knock on his door. Had the person been robbing him, my sympathy would go with the guy who did the shooting, except of course for the head shot. Once he's out of commission you stop and let the police handle it.

Frankly, I find it somewhat worrisome that some people feel the need to politicize these crimes. Sick freaks.

All for the sake of demonizing the Second Amendment, and precisely what Fast And Furious was all about.

 

[NoNukes]

How many people were offed in Chicago last night over a pair of tennis shoes?

Or is your outrage over senseless death selective?

When I lived in Tampa FL, a 14-year-old black kid gunned down an elderly couple for $20 not more than 3-4 blocks from my apartment.

If she was white you would have said a 14 year old girl.