Fire every federal bureaucrat/employee caught undermining the administration.

[postman]

No, they are guilty of disobeying orders and should be court-martialed for that.

Only if the orders they disobeyed were "lawful" orders. A soldier can be (and should be) court-martialed for carrying out an unlawful order.

 

[Marener]

Applying one's agenda is not politicizing.

Deciding to prosecute your political opponents and also over-prosecuting them is politicizing.

Keep thinking you win these debates with me, mouth breather.

Who decides what is politicizing and what isn’t?

 

[martybegan]

Only if the orders they disobeyed were "lawful" orders. A soldier can be (and should be) court-martialed for carrying out an unlawful order.

The problem is the left thinks that the concept of an unlawful order extends to "orders I don't like"

 

[konradv]

Here is what Trump is having to deal with even before taking office. We saw it played out by FBI personnel et al in his first administration and no doubt it will continue, i.e. federal bureaucrats/employees intentionally undermining and/or sabotaging the President and his agenda.



I want Congress to pass a law mandating that any bureaucrat/employee/appointee who is caught and confirmed in deliberately sabotaging or otherwise interfering with the elected leadership can be immediately fired and will be entitled to no benefits. If sufficiently severe, the person can be indicted and tried for criminal acts.

No President can do his job as effectively with this kind of deep state subversion going on.

Federal employees must be instructed and must agree to work faithfully for the people's choice as their leaders or they must be out.

That of course would not apply to honest whistle blowers who go through proper channels to report any obvious malfeasance going on within the government.

I have seen posted on social media that Mannina was fired over the incident in the link but I have not confirmed that.

Trump doesn’t want them doing their jobs; neither does Putin.

 

[westwall]

Trump doesn’t want them doing their jobs; neither does Putin.

312-226 #YOURBITCHLOST!

 

[martybegan]

Who decides what is politicizing and what isn’t?

Common sense, something you and your ilk lack.

 

[Marener]

Common sense, something you and your ilk lack.

Again, I asked WHO. Last time I checked, common sense isn’t a person.

You’re too weak to answer a straightforward question.

 

[postman]

The PROBLEM is the cogs thinking they run things. They aren't supposed run things, they are supposed to execute things. The political appointees are supposed to run things, as their power to do so flows down from the person with the constitutional power to do so, the Elected President.

The cogs are usually career people, chosen for their skills and knowledge, and know how the system is supposed to work.

We learned the lesson of politics over professionals when we got rid of all the cogs in Iraq.
And the whole place went to hell in a handbasket.

 

[martybegan]

Again, I asked WHO. Last time I checked, common sense isn’t a person.

You’re too weak to answer a straightforward question.

You are asking the wrong question.

Now you try to figure it out.

 

[westwall]

The cogs are usually career people, chosen for their skills and knowledge, and know how the system is supposed to work.

We learned the lesson of politics over professionals when we got rid of all the cogs in Iraq.
And the whole place went to hell in a handbasket.

Yeah? So what. They are not empowered to regulate. Yet they try.

That's illegal.

 

[martybegan]

The cogs are usually career people, chosen for their skills and knowledge, and know how the system is supposed to work.

We learned the lesson of politics over professionals when we got rid of all the cogs in Iraq.
And the whole place went to hell in a handbasket.

Who elected them to do their job?

You really want an unelected bureaucracy overriding the will of the elected President, the person who the Constitution gives all these powers to?

Iraq's problem is the old people in charge were a Sunni minority trying to run a Shia majority, not equitable to the US system.

 

[Marener]

You are asking the wrong question.

The hell I am. You’re just too weak to understand it.

The person that decides what is political is the person who is being told to do it.

They’re not cogs. That’s stupid.

 

[martybegan]

The hell I am. You’re just too weak to understand it.

The person that decides what is political is the person who is being told to do it.

They’re not cogs. That’s stupid.

That doesn't make any fucking sense.

So a civil servant should refuse to execute a directive from someone appointed by an elected President because they don't like the directive?

 

[westwall]

Who elected them to do their job?

You really want an unelected bureaucracy overriding the will of the elected President, the person who the Constitution gives all these powers to?

Iraq's problem is the old people in charge were a Sunni minority trying to run a Shia majority, not equitable to the US system.

Yes, the postman does. He's all about institutions controlling the people instead of the other way around.

 

[MisterBeale]

What Trump Should Do​

January 15, 2025

Paul Craig Roberts

What Trump Should Do |

www.paulcraigroberts.org

"American security agencies have long used the cloak of national security to avoid accountability for their crimes, such as the assassinations of President John F. Kennedy and his brother, Robert F. Kennedy, and the numerous assassinations of foreign leaders and screw-ups. Beginning with the Clinton regime, presidents and non-security appointees also began escaping accountability. The situation worsened in the George W. Bush/Dick Cheney regime, and it exploded in the Biden regime with the Attorney General, FBI, and Democrat state attorneys general and prosecutors using law as a weapon against Trump, his attorneys, and his supporters. Many people were ruined financially. Many were falsely imprisoned, and Trump himself had his reelection in 2020 stolen by the most brazen and obvious vote theft in American history. The evidence is clear that Biden himself is guilty of selling vice presidential and presidential influence with his son, Hunter, being the marketer and sharing the revenues. Yet the US Department of Justice prevented any investigation and indictments The whore American media covered up the story.

The practice of elevating high office holders to the privileged status of a king or an aristocracy above both the law and the US Constitution must not continue in the Trump regime. If it does, high officials will have gained squatters’ rights in being above the law, and the US Constitution will be reduced to a dead document.

At this point, the only way a collapse of the rule of law in the US can be avoided is for the Trump regime to relentless prosecute the Department of Justice, FBI, and White House officials who selectively applied law in the form of lawfare against political opponents. If those responsible avoid accountability, a legal precedent will have been established, and the differential rights and status based on race and gender that are already in place will be joined by special legal privileges for high government officials. It would mean the end of any possibility of accountable government.

This should be the highest priority of the Trump regime. It is even more important than closing the border. . . "

 

[westwall]

That doesn't make any fucking sense.

So a civil servant should refuse to execute a directive from someone appointed by an elected President because they don't like the directive?

These are statists you are talking to. They WANT the government to be in absolute control because they are fascists at heart.

You haven't figured that out about them yet?

 

[martybegan]

Yes, the postman does. He's all about institutions controlling the people instead of the other way around.

We have seen systems like that before. The Confucian Bureaucracy that went against the will of many Emperors. The Meiji system in Japan where the Army and Navy had power over the Emperor, the Diet and the Prime Minister. The old Soviet system where the power flowed from the Politburo and the various Soviet Ministries, not the Central Committee as intended. even the old Russian Imperial system where the nobles as a class controlled the government Bureaucracy.

All of those systems had bad endings, in the case of the Chinese system, multiple times as Dynasties were overtaken by outsiders after becoming stagnant.

 

[martybegan]

These are statists you are talking to. They WANT the government to be in absolute control because they are fascists at heart.

You haven't figured that out about them yet?

I have, and they are more run of the mill authoritarians or oligarchs than Fascists.

I always liked the term Progressive Bureaucratic Statists.

 

[postman]

Who elected them to do their job?

You really want an unelected bureaucracy overriding the will of the elected President, the person who the Constitution gives all these powers to?

Like Elon Musk and Ramaswamy?

 

[westwall]

We have seen systems like that before. The Confucian Bureaucracy that went against the will of many Emperors. The Meiji system in Japan where the Army and Navy had power over the Emperor, the Diet and the Prime Minister. The old Soviet system where the power flowed from the Politburo and the various Soviet Ministries, not the Central Committee as intended. even the old Russian Imperial system where the nobles as a class controlled the government Bureaucracy.

All of those systems had bad endings, in the case of the Chinese system, multiple times as Dynasties were overtaken by outsiders after becoming stagnant.

Yup. Anyone conversant with history knows what lays at the end of those rainbows.

And it's never good.