Fire every federal bureaucrat/employee caught undermining the administration.

[Zincwarrior]

You have a point?

I made it.

 

[JWBooth]

 

[Oddball]

No, they are guilty of disobeying orders and should be court-martialed for that.

It's beyond that...Plotting to do so is subversion.

 

[Oddball]

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[martybegan]

It's beyond that...Plotting to do so is subversion.

Still not treason, but still court martial his ass.

And we need to bring cashiering back as a ceremony.

 

[Marener]

These people aren't loyal to the country, they are loyal to their party and their political view.

Are you opposed to the politicization of every part of the administration?

 

[westwall]

Jesus would want to have a word with you.

Also, you can kill people, but you can never kill ideas, and making martyrs makes ideas.

I want ruthless efficiency in firings, going the treason route just gives them a fight back talking point.

If there aren't REAL consequences for the criminal acts that these pricks did, they will continue on as usual.

Fear is the only thing that controls evil people. You are correct, ideas never die, but if you make acting on those ideas in a a criminal way, painful as hell, that will prevent most from carrying out their criminal ideas.

It's not about punishment, it's a warning that you and your family will suffer terrible consequences if you violate the COTUS.

 

[martybegan]

Are you opposed to the politicization of every part of the administration?

The appointed positions are by their nature political.

I am against cogs thinking they can run the system better than the elected people chosen to run the system.

 

[Marener]

The appointed positions are by their nature political.

I am against cogs thinking they can run the system better than the elected people chosen to run the system.

You didn’t answer the question because you’re just barely smart enough to see where this goes and how incoherent you are.

 

[martybegan]

If there aren't REAL consequences for the criminal acts that these prices dod, they will continue on as usual.

Fear is the only thing that controls evil people. You are correct, ideas never die, but if you make acting on those ideas in a a criminal way, painful as hell, that will prevent most from carrying out their criminal ideas.

It's not about punishment, it's a warning that you and your family will suffer terrible consequences if you violate the COTUS.

Oh if they do disobey direct orders I'm OK with it being about getting rid of them AND the punishment.

And I don't think the Founders were Klingons, so I don't go for the "Sins of the Father" thing, but it was one of the best episodes of The Next Generation.

Duras getting slapped by Worf was epic.

 

[martybegan]

You didn’t answer the question because you’re just barely smart enough to see where this goes and how incoherent you are.

I did answer the question. I know you got some lame gotcha moment, so just get to your supposed point and be on your way.

 

[westwall]

No, they are guilty of disobeying orders and should be court-martialed for that.

Not when they are actively conspiring to subvert the incoming administration.

 

[martybegan]

Not when they are actively conspiring to subvert the incoming administration.

Let Trump make the order, let them disobey it, the drum them out of the service.

Much cleaner than trying to prove a Conspiracy.

 

[postman]

Here is what Trump is having to deal with even before taking office. We saw it played out by FBI personnel et al in his first administration and no doubt it will continue, i.e. federal bureaucrats/employees intentionally undermining and/or sabotaging the President and his agenda.

I remember the same of Truman.

On July 26, 1948, President Harry Truman signed Executive Order 9981, creating the President’s Committee on Equality of Treatment and Opportunity in the Armed Services. The order mandated the desegregation of the U.S. military. The first point in the executive order states “It is hereby declared to be the policy of the President that there shall be equality of treatment and opportunity for all persons in the armed services without regard to race, color, religion or national origin. This policy shall be put into effect as rapidly as possible, having due regard to the time required to effectuate any necessary changes without impairing efficiency or morale.”

Truman should have rid the federal government of segregationists from the very start.

 

[Marener]

I did answer the question. I know you got some lame gotcha moment, so just get to your supposed point and be on your way.

Nope. You answered a different question about appointees. I’m asked about the department as a whole. Do you want the entire administration politicized? Not just the appointees but the entire department?

The answer, of course, is yes. But only when it’s Trump doing it.

This is a gotcha. I gotcha demonstrating how you’re a massive partisan hack and total hypocrite.

 

[westwall]

Let Trump make the order, let them disobey it, the drum them out of the service.

Much cleaner than trying to prove a Conspiracy.

Not really. They admit to it all of the time.

 

[martybegan]

Nope. You answered a different question about appointees. I’m asked about the department as a whole. Do you want the entire administration politicized? Not just the appointees but the entire department?

The answer, of course, is yes. But only when it’s Trump doing it.

This is a gotcha. I gotcha demonstrating how you’re a massive partisan hack and total hypocrite.

Applying one's agenda is not politicizing.

Deciding to prosecute your political opponents and also over-prosecuting them is politicizing.

Keep thinking you win these debates with me, mouth breather.

 

[postman]

The appointed positions are by their nature political.

I am against cogs thinking they can run the system better than the elected people chosen to run the system.

As you said, the appointed people are political.

The cogs are there because they know how to run things.

 

[martybegan]

Not really. They admit to it all of the time.

But proving it to jury is another thing,

Much easier to prove "he did this" than "he planned to do this but we arrested him before he did it"

 

[martybegan]

As you said, the appointed people are political.

The cogs are there because they know how to run things.

The PROBLEM is the cogs thinking they run things. They aren't supposed run things, they are supposed to execute things. The political appointees are supposed to run things, as their power to do so flows down from the person with the constitutional power to do so, the Elected President.