Finally, a Libertarian Utopia!

[bripat9643]

This "billionaire" was able to amass enough wealth in this country to entertain the thoughts of building his own country. Along the way, he obtained an education and through his hard work became fabulously wealthy. Good for him. Every step of the way he was protected by the Police and the Miltary and profited off of a society that is relatively functional and that manages to change leadership every four years or so in a bloodless coup.

uhhhhhhhh . . . . . . so?

 

[bripat9643]

In truth, after a while it kind of sounds like whining.

Moron assholes like you would claim holocaust victims are "whining."

 

[BoycottTheday]

The States dont seem "United" to me.

 

[bripat9643]

See. This /\ is the shit I am talking about. So now we are roughly equivalent to a Facist government?

It's hard to take that seriously.

No, we are not "EQUIVALENT to a fascist government." The US government is a fascist government.

When do fascists ever take any objection to their schemes seriously?

 

[BoycottTheday]

Democratic Socialism + crony capitalism = Facism.

 

[bripat9643]

We don't have a fascist government, knucklehead.

Get back to me when they are kicking down your door for speaking against the government. We'll probably share a cell.

Yes we do, turd.

Of course, the fascists who support it will never admit it.

 

[bripat9643]

The fucktards are those who ignore the officers killed in cold blood, while crying for people who allowed their children to be burned by their leaders. How did the place go up so fast? There's never been any reports of the Feds spreading accelerants.

You're oviously a fucking moron who doesn't know a thing about the indcident.

the "allowed" their children to be burned? The ATF and the FBI are the ones who burned their children, not "their leaders," fucktard.

People like you make me want to vomit.

 

[bripat9643]

Even though New York City, for one example, imposes very strict standards and regulations on the construction industry the Buildings Department Legal Division is constantly prosecuting deliberate code violations, many of which either cause or present potential for injury, damage or abnormal deterioration.

Says who, the building code department?

 

[Mr.Nick]

Thiel has been a big backer of the Seasteading Institute, which seeks to build sovereign nations on oil rig-like platforms to occupy waters beyond the reach of law-of-the-sea treaties. The idea is for these countries to start from scratch--free from the laws, regulations, and moral codes of any existing place. Details says the experiment would be "a kind of floating petri dish for implementing policies that libertarians, stymied by indifference at the voting booths, have been unable to advance: no welfare, looser building codes, no minimum wage, and few restrictions on weapons."

Silicon Valley billionaire funding creation of artificial libertarian islands | The Lookout - Yahoo! News

I invite all of USMB's libertoids to flee to the islands.

There are already communities like that.

Principality of Sealand - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Smallest Country" for Sale -- Sea Views Included, Land Extra

There are several "small countries" like that. I remember reading an article on them a few years back.

 

[Ravi]

Thiel has been a big backer of the Seasteading Institute, which seeks to build sovereign nations on oil rig-like platforms to occupy waters beyond the reach of law-of-the-sea treaties. The idea is for these countries to start from scratch--free from the laws, regulations, and moral codes of any existing place. Details says the experiment would be "a kind of floating petri dish for implementing policies that libertarians, stymied by indifference at the voting booths, have been unable to advance: no welfare, looser building codes, no minimum wage, and few restrictions on weapons."

Silicon Valley billionaire funding creation of artificial libertarian islands | The Lookout - Yahoo! News

I invite all of USMB's libertoids to flee to the islands.

Actually all we really need for a libertarian utopia is for everyone else to adhere and abide by the constitution. Though it would be YOU that would probably need to do the moving then.

Really? What have I done that is unconstitutional?

 

[editec]

I am currently in the process of recruiting pirates, brigands, former Marines, Army Rangers, and other badasses for a little "hostile takeover" if this thing ever gets established. I hope they invest in some security, and I hope they are better shots than my crew.

Of course, they shouldn't rely on the U.S. to bail them out once we start tossing people into the ocean.

The nice thing about this? International waters and within the borders of another "sovereign" nation. Good luck prosecuting me!

Why would you do that?

Why not?

Would you repress his freedom to do as he likes?

What are you some kind of collectivist?

 

[dblack]

Why not?

Would you repress his freedom to do as he likes?

What are you some kind of collectivist?

Is that really your understanding of 'freedom'?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Ilaughed my ass off.... will it be called "RonPaulland"?

 

[Douger]

Keep a unit under 2 million and it's in the southern hemisphere. I'm in.

 

[Bern80]

Thiel has been a big backer of the Seasteading Institute, which seeks to build sovereign nations on oil rig-like platforms to occupy waters beyond the reach of law-of-the-sea treaties. The idea is for these countries to start from scratch--free from the laws, regulations, and moral codes of any existing place. Details says the experiment would be "a kind of floating petri dish for implementing policies that libertarians, stymied by indifference at the voting booths, have been unable to advance: no welfare, looser building codes, no minimum wage, and few restrictions on weapons."

Silicon Valley billionaire funding creation of artificial libertarian islands | The Lookout - Yahoo! News

I invite all of USMB's libertoids to flee to the islands.

Actually all we really need for a libertarian utopia is for everyone else to adhere and abide by the constitution. Though it would be YOU that would probably need to do the moving then.

Really? What have I done that is unconstitutional?

Nothing that I'm aware of. My point is libertarianism is not some kook extreme ideology. It just means adhering to the constitution which clearly limited the role of the federal government. To most politicians the constitution is an after thought these days. Following the constitution would mean when we would have to do away with more than a few entitlement programs. Which is why i said if our government actually followed the already established law of the land, it would be you that probably wouldn't want to live here anymore.

 

[Contumacious]

So the Libertarian disposition, which is commendable in many aspects, would have disastrous consequences where the construction industry is concerned.

Bullshit.

"And what about building codes and their enforcement? It is a great myth that these are somehow responsible for the soundness of our buildings. Private enterprise meets the demand for safety as well as it meets any consumer demand. Your house doesn't fall in because of building codes but because the builders are liable for mistakes and because there is competition among them to build better buildings. What's more, private enterprise regulates itself, with a vast array of regulatory codes that are self-enforcing (Underwriters Laboratory, for example, is entirely private). So why do the government codes exist? Mostly they are used by large companies to erect barriers to entry by smaller firms. "

Socialism and the Chinese Earthquake by Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr.

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[Ravi]

Hurricane Andrew proved you wrong.

 

[Contumacious]

Hurricane Andrew proved you wrong.

OK Vern, is like this.

Houses in South Florida were compliant with what were the building codes at the time.

Inadequacies exposed by Hurricane Andrew forced the new regulations. Despite higher construction costs, it is unclear whether homes will be safer.
http://www.sptimes.com/2002/webspecials02/andrew/day2/story1.shtml

But the question is , can individuals afford to buy houses , which can withstand category 5 Hurricanes , even though they may hit every 25, or more, years!?!?!?!?!?!?

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[MikeK]

Do you have specific examples of what codes were violated and how such violations would have caused problems? If you want a building with certain specifications, a company will offer it if you will pay for it. If there were no building codes you could not violate them, so your statement does not even make sense.

Again, the fallacy that without government something terrible will happen. "Without government banning drugs we will all do drugs and become useless! Without government providing healthcare we will all die on the streets! Without government social security, the elderly will never be able to retire! Without building codes and regulations, our buildings will be hazardous and crumble!"

It is all the same old, same old. If these codes are violated, it is more likely they are unnecessary codes. Companies are not going to construct buildings that are inherently unsafe. They will not make a profit by killing their customers.

I didn't work for the Buidlings Department so I don't retain specific examples of code violation litigations or prosecutions. Nor can I supply specific examples of convenience store holdups, house burglaries, arsons, etc., but I can assure you they do happen. And as Ravi has pointed out in a previous message, whenever there is a hurricane or other natural disaster evidence of code violations become readily apparent. Other examples frequently appear during investigations of fires and pre-purchase home inspections. In fact, I was made painfully aware of a code violation in my own home when I had a new air conditioner system installed, which required an inspection of existing electrical wiring.

But if your need to adhere to Libertarian delusions about competitive self-regulation is such that you're able to deny the obvious I won't interfere with that. Be happy.

 

[ShackledNation]

Do you have specific examples of what codes were violated and how such violations would have caused problems? If you want a building with certain specifications, a company will offer it if you will pay for it. If there were no building codes you could not violate them, so your statement does not even make sense.

Again, the fallacy that without government something terrible will happen. "Without government banning drugs we will all do drugs and become useless! Without government providing healthcare we will all die on the streets! Without government social security, the elderly will never be able to retire! Without building codes and regulations, our buildings will be hazardous and crumble!"

It is all the same old, same old. If these codes are violated, it is more likely they are unnecessary codes. Companies are not going to construct buildings that are inherently unsafe. They will not make a profit by killing their customers.

I didn't work for the Buidlings Department so I don't retain specific examples of code violation litigations or prosecutions. Nor can I supply specific examples of convenience store holdups, house burglaries, arsons, etc., but I can assure you they do happen. And as Ravi has pointed out in a previous message, whenever there is a hurricane or other natural disaster evidence of code violations become readily apparent. Other examples frequently appear during investigations of fires and pre-purchase home inspections. In fact, I was made painfully aware of a code violation in my own home when I had a new air conditioner system installed, which required an inspection of existing electrical wiring.

But if your need to adhere to Libertarian delusions about competitive self-regulation is such that you're able to deny the obvious I won't interfere with that. Be happy.

Well, I can supply specific examples of store holdups, etc. I do not doubt that codes may be violated. But what is the exact code that is violated? Maybe the code is a bad code. Maybe not. But if you have absolutely no specific evidence of anything, you have no argument.

As Contumacious pointed out, the buildings that were destroyed in Hurricane Andrew followed the building codes. New regulations were then enacted, but even those are likely to do little. So that too is a moot point.

You say I deny the obvious, yet you fail to provide a single example? What is obvious is that your argument is weak and unsupported. You have zero evidence that companies will build unsafe buildings without government forcing them to build safe ones. Companies do not make profit selling products that are supposed to shelter consumers but end up killing them or injuring them. Government is not needed to ensure higher quality computers, nor is it needed to ensure higher quality buildings. Why is that so hard to understand?