FEMA Deceives Nation About Twin Towers Core

[Christophera]

This is where you lose idiot.

If you cannot see what I am describing, how can you see what you claim are buttplates? It is clear in that photo that the first two columns circled in red have lugs, but then the last one doesn't?

That's a joke.

You have defeated yourself by admitting that you can't actually see what is there WITHOUT the help of a closeup.

You have admitted to posting without adeqate imagry for readers to identify what you are talking about so the viewer cannot make sense of what you say. That is my point. You distort and attempt to state that I don't know what you are saying. I know very well what you say agent, and why you say it.

The second image is annotated identifying that the far elevator guide rail support has a butt plate.

You attempt to induce a cognitive distortion, implying a generalization, that all joints between sections of guide rail support must have butt plates.

Butt plates are expensive compared to a single pass weld which was extensively used on elevator guide rail supports.

You are saying that without a closeup, what I claim to be there cannot be seen. If that's the case.

That is the case meaning you are an agent seeking to conceal the methods of mass murder employed on 9-11. You actions serve the interests of the perpetrators and associate you with them.

This means you are conducting misprision of treason.

 

[Gamolon]

You have admitted to posting without adeqate imagry for readers to identify what you are talking about so the viewer cannot make sense of what you say. That is my point. You distort and attempt to state that I don't know what you are saying. I know very well what you say agent, and why you say it.

The second image is annotated identifying that the far elevator guide rail support has a butt plate.

You attempt to induce a cognitive distortion, implying a generalization, that all joints between sections of guide rail support must have butt plates.

Butt plates are expensive compared to a single pass weld which was extensively used on elevator guide rail supports.

You are saying that without a closeup, what I claim to be there cannot be seen. If that's the case.

That is the case meaning you are an agent seeking to conceal the methods of mass murder employed on 9-11. You actions serve the interests of the perpetrators and associate you with them.

This means you are conducting misprision of treason.

Show your proof weasel!

You are no longer trusted around here as your track record speaks for itself. You have admitted so many mistakes in your tenure here that it's become ridiculous.

I have provided backup photos PROVING that what I say existed. You have not. You lose.

Where are the closeup photos that prove what you say existed as buttplates. You have none. That's why you use distant, blurry photos. To mislead and deceive people.

So where are those photos?

 

[Gamolon]

Without posting a close up image to refer to what you state is seen, your post is Obfuscation, or Intentionally confusory subterfuge.

This goes for you also moron.

I have posted other clear photos of lugs that further support my claim. Where are your clear photos of buttplates to support yours?

 

[Gamolon]

The second image is annotated identifying that the far elevator guide rail support has a butt plate.

You attempt to induce a cognitive distortion, implying a generalization, that all joints between sections of guide rail support must have butt plates.

Butt plates are expensive compared to a single pass weld which was extensively used on elevator guide rail supports.

Hey stupid. Look at that second image you refer to. That last circled column was AGAINST the core wall per your description. That last column, after the column you designate as having a buttplate, was a core column. That makes the last one you refer to as being AGAINST the inner wall of the concrete core wall. Take a look at this next quote of yours.

Not a "core column" agent.

The first row of elevator guide rail support. And the fact the butt plates shown in PANEL 5 are near the center logically shows they were needed for alignment.

The inner concrete form had slots to hold the elevator guide rail support steel that were agains the concrete core wall, so no alignment was needed for them.

You just screwed yourself!

Again!

That column, according to your own supposed knowledge didn't need a buttplate as it was aligned using the "slots" of the inner concrete.

What a dumbass!!!! You just can't keep your lies straight. You actually debunked yourself!

 

[Christophera]

The second image is annotated identifying that the far elevator guide rail support has a butt plate.

You attempt to induce a cognitive distortion, implying a generalization, that all joints between sections of guide rail support must have butt plates.

Butt plates are expensive compared to a single pass weld which was extensively used on elevator guide rail supports.

Hey stupid. Look at that second image you refer to. That last circled column was AGAINST the core wall per your description. That last column, after the column you designate as having a buttplate, was a core column.

Wrong, that is an interior box column at the narrow end of the core, outside of the core.

That makes the last one you refer to as being AGAINST the inner wall of the concrete core wall. Take a look at this next quote of yours.

Not a "core column" agent.

The first row of elevator guide rail support. And the fact the butt plates shown in PANEL 5 are near the center logically shows they were needed for alignment.

The inner concrete form had slots to hold the elevator guide rail support steel that were agains the concrete core wall, so no alignment was needed for them.

You just screwed yourself!

Again!

That column, according to your own supposed knowledge didn't need a buttplate as it was aligned using the "slots" of the inner concrete.

What a dumbass!!!! You just can't keep your lies straight. You actually debunked yourself!

Can you show that in the plans? Why not?

I also remember the steel breakdown inner form could not be used for 3 floors of the first skylobby.

Why haven't you posted an image of this core on 9-11?

 

[Gamolon]

The second image is annotated identifying that the far elevator guide rail support has a butt plate.

You attempt to induce a cognitive distortion, implying a generalization, that all joints between sections of guide rail support must have butt plates.

Butt plates are expensive compared to a single pass weld which was extensively used on elevator guide rail supports.

Hey stupid. Look at that second image you refer to. That last circled column was AGAINST the core wall per your description. That last column, after the column you designate as having a buttplate, was a core column.

Wrong, that is an interior box column at the narrow end of the core, outside of the core.

No moron. I am right. That's EXACTLY what I said, but you're too stupid to understand. Here is a photo further explaining.

Your elevator column that you claim has a buttplate is the second column in putting it right inside the wall and thus not needing to be aligned per your own damn quote. The first is the core column I point to that you just said was outside the core.

That makes the "piece" on the the elevator column you are speaking of NOT a buttplate and PROVES that it was lugs.

You have debunked youreself idiot.

 

[Christophera]

Where are the official building plans? The core changed size at the 43rd. It is possible that concrete shifted a guide rail support. They had little lateral bracing.

How about showing this core at least once agent.

Where are the daigonal braces? Do you realize that is the ONLY official depiction of the steel core?

 

[DiveCon]

Where are the official building plans? The core changed size at the 43rd. It is possible that concrete shifted a guide rail support. They had little lateral bracing.

How about showing this core at least once agent.



Where are the daigonal braces? Do you realize that is the ONLY official depiction of the steel core?

you've been shown, moron

 

[Christophera]

Why don't you show them again?

 

[DiveCon]

Why don't you show them again?

because it would be a waste of electrons, moron
but then, every post you make is

 

[Christophera]

Every time I post the truth a trillion electrons are very well used. You only abuse them.

You have no evidence for steel core columns.

There is a great deal of independently verified evidence of the concrete core.

Robertson is verified by Oxford, verifying Domel who describes a concrete core verified by the image of WTC 2 core, verifying the top of WTC 2 core falling onto WTC 3, the WTC 1 rebar, just after the WTC 1 west core wall is seen in an end view, then, the WTC 1 east shear wall toppling, consistent with interior box columns silhouetted on WTC 1 north core wall, consistent with ground zero showing the WTC 1 north concrete core base wall, 12 foot thick, all supported as clarification of the many confused statements that do mention concrete in the core including the latest revised NIST analysis of free fall by Bazant et. al 6/21/2007, which actually provides an equivalent amount of high explosives needed to create the rate of fall they are attempting to justify with physics. It doesn't work for justifying explanation for collapse, but at least they won't go down in history as totally supporting the deceptions.

 

[DiveCon]

Every time I post the truth a trillion electrons are very well used. You only abuse them.

You have no evidence for steel core columns.

<delusions removed>

your delusions are not evidence

 

[Gamolon]

The core changed size at the 43rd. It is possible that concrete shifted a guide rail support. They had little lateral bracing.

So basically you're making statements and claims, calling people agents because you think we are lying, and then admit that you aren't sure about the buttplate in that photo now?

What the hell is the matter with you? This is 100% proof that you are flying by the seat of your pants and are making shit up as you go along.

How can you make claims of a buttplate for this long and all of a sudden admit that you aren't sure? And then you try and hand-wave it away by changing the subject about official plans. That;s your typical move you know that? Get your ass handed to you and then post bullshit to cover it up. This is why you won't provide a scaled drawing of the lobby level. Because you'll look like an asshole yet again when you debunk yourself.

What a moron.

 

[Gamolon]

dipshit chris will claim the concrete core was poured 10 stories below

Agent divot forgets that WTC 1 was only allowed to go 7 floors over the top of the concrete core.

WTC 1 was allowed to go 12 stories, depending on which of the concrete core walls were cast and cured.

More proof that you are making shit up as you go. Here is a quote from another forum from Christophera from this forum Steel Reinforced Concrete Core Of The Wtc Towers (Loose Change Forum)

Yes, the core was a cast concrete tubular structure cast inside the steel framwork after it had been erected 4 floors over the previously poured 40 foot section of concrete. WTC 7 being re constructed now, is built in the same way.

So it used to be 4 floors did it???????



What a COMPLETE moron!

 

[froggy]

Why was fema called there ahead of time, and who called them?

 

[Christophera]

Very good question?

Why was the "office of special operations" put in charge of FEMA 2 weeks after gwb was (s)elected?

 

[DiveCon]

dipshit chris will claim the concrete core was poured 10 stories below

Agent divot forgets that WTC 1 was only allowed to go 7 floors over the top of the concrete core.

WTC 1 was allowed to go 12 stories, depending on which of the concrete core walls were cast and cured.

More proof that you are making shit up as you go. Here is a quote from another forum from Christophera from this forum Steel Reinforced Concrete Core Of The Wtc Towers (Loose Change Forum)

Yes, the core was a cast concrete tubular structure cast inside the steel framwork after it had been erected 4 floors over the previously poured 40 foot section of concrete. WTC 7 being re constructed now, is built in the same way.

So it used to be 4 floors did it???????



What a COMPLETE moron!

oh man
the new WTC7 the concrete in the core was showing as it was going up

more proof chris doesnt know what he was talking about
and funny how there are TONS of photos of this
yet he cant produce ONE photo clearly showing his concrete core hoax

 

[Christophera]

That is nothing compared to your refusal to recognize the violations of law that deprive the public of 6,000 photo files of the WTC.

 

[DiveCon]

That is nothing compared to your refusal to recognize the violations of law that deprive the public of 6,000 photo files of the WTC.

except there are no violations of law, dipshit

 

[Christophera]

Now you are pretending you kno more about NY law thatn the NYCLU.

NYCLU:

Our concern is based on the following facts, as we understand them. On or about December 24, 2001, Commissioner George Rios, on behalf of the City of New York and/or the Department of Records and Information Services of the City of New York, entered into a contract with the Rudolph W. Giuliani Center for Urban Affairs Inc., signed by Saul Cohen, President, concerning the records of the mayoralty of Rudolph Giuliani. The records are said to include appointment books, cabinet meeting audiotapes, e-mails, telephone logs, advance and briefing memos, correspondence, transition materials, and private schedules, as well as Mr. Giuliani&#8217;s departmental, travel, event, subject, and Gracie Mansion files. Giuliani's "World Trade Center files" and "Millennium Project files," together with 6000 files of photographs, 1000 audiotapes, and 15,000 videotapes, are also reported to be a part of the records covered by the contract.


These provisions violate the Freedom of Information Law as interpreted by the New York Court of Appeals in Capital Newspapers, Div. of Hearst Corp. v. Whalen, 69 N.Y.2d 246 (1987).

The City also violated the Freedom of Information Law by transferring records to the custody of the Giuliani Center without first compiling a detailed list. Section 87(3)(c) of the Public Officer Law obligates an agency to maintain a &#8220;reasonably detailed list by subject matter&#8221; of all agency records, &#8220;whether or not [those records are] available under this article.&#8221; Such a list is necessary to prevent the inappropriate destruction of documents and to inform the public as to the content of the documentary collection. The list appended to the December 24th contract as Attachment A does not contain sufficiently detailed information to satisfy this requirement. And the documents appear, therefore, to have been transferred without complying with this requirement.

Finally, the City Charter vests DORIS with the responsibility to preserve and receive all city records of historical, research, cultural or other important value. City Charter, Chapter 72, § 3004(1)(c). The City Charter mandates that DORIS make all of the materials it maintains available for public inspection. §3004(2)(c). The City Charter also mandates that all records which are deemed to be of historical or research value be transferred by the city official or agency to DORIS&#8217; municipal archives for &#8220;permanent custody.&#8221; City Charter, Chapter 49, §1133(b); RCNY §1-07. In transferring the documents to the Center, the City has violated this mandate and has made it less likely that the materials will be readily accessible for public inspection.

Violations of law that deprive the public of the plans and 6,000 photo files.