FEMA Deceives Nation About Twin Towers Core

[kyzr]

There is no "Where's Walldo? WTC Wall Conspiracy". There is a "who is stupid enough to buy this book, conspiracy"

Cristo has been arguing 2 + 2 = 3 for the last 166 pages when everyone else knows the correct answer. No one is interested in a moronic conspiracy. If you think it helps you sell books, that makes some sense, but normal people won't waste their money on such nonsense.

 

[kyzr]

There is no "Where's Walldo? WTC Wall Conspiracy". There is a "who is stupid enough to buy this book, conspiracy"

Cristo has been arguing 2 + 2 = 3 for the last 166 pages when everyone else knows the correct answer. No one is interested in a moronic conspiracy. If you think it helps you sell books, that makes some sense, but normal people won't waste their money on such nonsense.

 

[Christophera]

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The same massive piece of concrete from another angle.

you keep posting the same pictures of smoke and a tumbling building.

You finally noticed that huge piece of concrete falling into the empty core. Maybe the families will consider forgiving you.

 

[Christophera]

There is no "Where's Walldo? WTC Wall Conspiracy". There is a "who is stupid enough to buy this book, conspiracy"

Cristo has been arguing 2 + 2 = 3 for the last 166 pages when everyone else knows the correct answer. No one is interested in a moronic conspiracy. If you think it helps you sell books, that makes some sense, but normal people won't waste their money on such nonsense.

So you have no evidence of steel core columns but do recognize that the possibility of knowledge being unconscious actually works better than secret. And that such a possibility allows explanation for a great deal in our world. I thought you would never get it.

Or that our republic and the constitution and the republic for which it stands might be saved by understanding such phenomena as can happen with the unconscious mind.

 

[DiveCon]

There is no "Where's Walldo? WTC Wall Conspiracy". There is a "who is stupid enough to buy this book, conspiracy"


Cristo has been arguing 2 + 2 = 3 for the last 166 pages when everyone else knows the correct answer. No one is interested in a moronic conspiracy. If you think it helps you sell books, that makes some sense, but normal people won't waste their money on such nonsense.

So you have no evidence of steel core columns but do recognize that the possibility of knowledge being unconscious actually works better than secret. And that such a possibility allows explanation for a great deal in our world. I thought you would never get it.

Or that our republic and the constitution and the republic for which it stands might be saved by understanding such phenomena as can happen with the unconscious mind.

yeah, no evidence of steel columns, sure ******* moron
the photos have been posted you are a ******* moron

 

[Christophera]

There is no "Where's Walldo? WTC Wall Conspiracy". There is a "who is stupid enough to buy this book, conspiracy"


Cristo has been arguing 2 + 2 = 3 for the last 166 pages when everyone else knows the correct answer. No one is interested in a moronic conspiracy. If you think it helps you sell books, that makes some sense, but normal people won't waste their money on such nonsense.

So you have no evidence of steel core columns but do recognize that the possibility of knowledge being unconscious actually works better than secret. And that such a possibility allows explanation for a great deal in our world. I thought you would never get it.

Or that our republic and the constitution and the republic for which it stands might be saved by understanding such phenomena as can happen with the unconscious mind.

yeah, no evidence of steel columns, sure ******* moron
the photos have been posted you are a ******* moron

I only saw elevator guide rail support steel at construction, like this,

Left and right of the central crane, the vertical steel has "butt plates" on their tops. Butt plates are of totally inadequate strength for joining sections of "core column". Joining any configured steel that will be used as "core column" requires a 100% fillet weld, like this seen on an "I" beam.

Since those butt plates are at the 5th floor, it is ridiculous to assert they are "core columns", because there is still 1,290 feet of column that will bear on them.
You never did, or I guess it was herr kaiser who said the towers were "well documented", come up with official plans that detail the needed horizontal and diagonal interconnections between supposed steel core columns?

I know they were "well documented", but i also know that the queen knighted guiliani for his performance as mayor of NYC and the aftermath of 9-11. Why she did that, when the ex NYC mayor took the plans and hid them while the courts protect their hiding we need to know.

BTW, you never did recognize the violations of law contained with that link. Do you support lawless government, the demise of the US Constitution and secret methods of mass murder?

 

[DiveCon]

So you have no evidence of steel core columns but do recognize that the possibility of knowledge being unconscious actually works better than secret. And that such a possibility allows explanation for a great deal in our world. I thought you would never get it.

Or that our republic and the constitution and the republic for which it stands might be saved by understanding such phenomena as can happen with the unconscious mind.

yeah, no evidence of steel columns, sure ******* moron
the photos have been posted you are a ******* moron

I only saw elevator guide rail support steel at construction, like this,

Left and right of the central crane, the vertical steel has "butt plates" on their tops. Butt plates are of totally inadequate strength for joining sections of "core column". Joining any configured steel that will be used as "core column" requires a 100% fillet weld, like this seen on an "I" beam.

those are steel columns you dumbfuck
you dont know a ******* thing about construction or steel

the elevator componants would have been added AFTER the building was enclosed
otherwise they would RUST
you dont have the IQ of a ******* CARROT

 

[Christophera]

yeah, no evidence of steel columns, sure ******* moron
the photos have been posted you are a ******* moron

I only saw elevator guide rail support steel at construction, like this,

Left and right of the central crane, the vertical steel has "butt plates" on their tops. Butt plates are of totally inadequate strength for joining sections of "core column". Joining any configured steel that will be used as "core column" requires a 100% fillet weld, like this seen on an "I" beam.

those are steel columns you dumbfuck
you dont know a ******* thing about construction or steel

the elevator componants would have been added AFTER the building was enclosed
otherwise they would RUST

Columns can have any configuration. It is their vertical orientation and structural role that makes them "columns".

BTW, did you ever acknowledge the violations of law that are embodied in the ex NYC mayor taking the plans and hiding them while the courts protected their hiding?

 

[DiveCon]

I only saw elevator guide rail support steel at construction, like this,



Left and right of the central crane, the vertical steel has "butt plates" on their tops. Butt plates are of totally inadequate strength for joining sections of "core column". Joining any configured steel that will be used as "core column" requires a 100% fillet weld, like this seen on an "I" beam.

those are steel columns you dumbfuck
you dont know a ******* thing about construction or steel

the elevator componants would have been added AFTER the building was enclosed
otherwise they would RUST

Columns can have any configuration. It is their vertical orientation and structural role that makes them "columns".

BTW, did you ever acknowledge the violations of law that are embodied in the ex NYC mayor taking the plans and hiding them while the courts protected their hiding?

if there were actual violations of the law he would have been charged you moron
you are too ******* stupid for words

 

[Christophera]

those are steel columns you dumbfuck
you dont know a ******* thing about construction or steel

the elevator componants would have been added AFTER the building was enclosed
otherwise they would RUST

Columns can have any configuration. It is their vertical orientation and structural role that makes them "columns".

BTW, did you ever acknowledge the violations of law that are embodied in the ex NYC mayor taking the plans and hiding them while the courts protected their hiding?

if there were actual violations of the law he would have been changed you moron
you are too ******* stupid for words

You mean if he violated law he would have rehabilitated himself automatically? How does that work?

Or do you mean that the laws would have been changed to make him legal?

 

[DiveCon]

Columns can have any configuration. It is their vertical orientation and structural role that makes them "columns".

BTW, did you ever acknowledge the violations of law that are embodied in the ex NYC mayor taking the plans and hiding them while the courts protected their hiding?

if there were actual violations of the law he would have been changed you moron
you are too ******* stupid for words

You mean if he violated law he would have rehabilitated himself automatically? How does that work?

Or do you mean that the laws would have been changed to make him legal?

i meant to say "charged" and it now shows that
**** off asswipe

 

[Christophera]

if there were actual violations of the law he would have been changed you moron
you are too ******* stupid for words

You mean if he violated law he would have rehabilitated himself automatically? How does that work?

Or do you mean that the laws would have been changed to make him legal?

i meant to say "charged" and it now shows that
**** off asswipe

Maybe you don't understand. When the NYC mayor took the plans he deprived all the citizens of NY and the nation of public documents, the FOIL laws exist to guarantee public access to public documents. When the courts protected their hiding by not compelling a release, they enabled the FEMA deception, which was critical to sabotaging the NIST analysis of collapse and conducting mass murder by secret methods.

 

[Christophera]

Here is a list of evidence showing the basic FEMA deception about the towers core, and the independently verified evidence of the concrete core.

More detail on the FEMA deception is here.

FEMA misrepresented core structure of the Twin Towers.

Any who might be interested in acting to ensure justice with 9-11 can use this information.

THE FEMA "CORE DECEPTION"

Misrepresenting the core structure of the Twin Towers as in the following image.

http://algoxy.com/psych/psyimages/femacore.gif

Further, the truth movement has been mislead by quasi leaders that present helicopter photos showing elevator guide rail support steel and calling it "core columns"

The butt plates on top of the guide rail support steel, left and right of the center crane in this photo of WTC 2 at around the fifth floor show a method of joining far too weak to be used to join core columns.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/elev_guide.rail.supp.jpg

It is reasonably expected that if no independently verified evidence of steel core columns, or no credible opposition to this information of the concrete core can be made. The concrete core is a fact and what follows independent verification of the fact must lead towards acceptance.

These images and links to independent verifications of the assertion that the images show a steel reinforced, rectangular, tubular concrete core 80x120'. The ones that show pieces, glimpses of the core, show an empty core when shown, and some concrete surrounding it or another feature of the cast concrete structure surrounding the core area.


THE CONCRETE CORE OF THE TWINS

9-11 IMAGES
End view of WTC 1 W core wall and spire
http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtc1spirecorewall.jpg.

South view of WTC 1 core wall and spire, interior box columns.
http://algoxy.com/psych/images/shearspirewall.jpg

Video of east end of WTC 2 core with thick concrete wall toppling into the empty core (17 sec).
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dWBBEtA5bI[/ame]
Verifying chopper photo from ALT. perspective.
http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtc.1core.fall.jpg

Video of north WTC 1 core wall and guide rail support steel toppling out of position (14 sec).
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIZp6aOibiM[/ame]

3" high tensile steel Rebar of WTC 1's north and west wall, aprox. 50 rebar, silhouetted across the hudson at 400- feet height.
http://home.comcast.net/~jeffrey.king2/spire_dust-3.jpg

A portion of the top of WTC 2 concrete core surrounded in perimeter columns falling onto WTC 3
http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtc2coreonto3.jpg

WTC 2 core standing at 400+-
http://algoxy.com/psych/images/southcorestands.gif




GZ IMAGES
Portion of WTC 1 north core wall section w/3x7 hall running length, daylight shines through.
http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtc1.core.wall.base.annot4.jpg

INDEPENDANT STATEMENTS OF AUTHORITY(not credible that this would not be corrected if it was wrong)
Leslie E. Robertson, Newsweek source for structural data.
MSNBC - ‘Painful and Horrible’

Domel, ground zero consults and examination of plans w/FEMA engineer weeks after 9-11
http://www.ncsea.com/downloads/wtcseerp.pdf

Oxford (scanned photocopy from book in British library perhasp, 2004)
http://algoxy.com/psych/images/oxfordarchcore.jpg

Bazant, et. al. June 21, 2007 revision (northwestern university removed this .pdf sometime in 2008. (Online archives do not show it as was published at the university) The following is reconstructed from a url that was perhaps gained after the original .pdf was taken off the server. The .pdf is here.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images2/00 WTC Collapse - Wha#558C6.pdf

 

[Fizz]

show us any picture of the concrete core in place.

all you have is crappy pictures that YOU say shows concrete while a building is collapsing. pictures clearly showing a steel core are available to everyone and you have been shown these many times. you make false claims that these are elevator guide rails. on other forums this has been proven to be false by people in the industry. the elevator components can not be exposed to weather. THEY GO IN AFTER THE CORE NOT BEFORE!!!

where are all the pictures of the concrete in place before 9/11? where are the pictures of the concrete during construction. you have none because the core wasnt concrete.

I've been trying for years to contact victims families. The perpetrators shield them with non profit organizations and encourage them to not be public.

you are truly a sick and perverted individual.

LEAVE THE FAMILIES ALONE!!! they have had enough trauma in their life and dont need some whacko hunting them down and disturbing them.

 

[DiveCon]

You mean if he violated law he would have rehabilitated himself automatically? How does that work?

Or do you mean that the laws would have been changed to make him legal?

i meant to say "charged" and it now shows that
**** off asswipe

Maybe you don't understand. When the NYC mayor took the plans he deprived all the citizens of NY and the nation of public documents, the FOIL laws exist to guarantee public access to public documents. When the courts protected their hiding by not compelling a release, they enabled the FEMA deception, which was critical to sabotaging the NIST analysis of collapse and conducting mass murder by secret methods.

again, if it had been the ONLY SET OF PLANS, you MIGHT have a case
but since it was not, and you haven't even proven what you claim
you remain a fucktard with no knowledge of steel or construction

 

[DiveCon]

Here is a list of evidence showing the basic FEMA deception about the towers core, and the independently verified evidence of the concrete core.

More detail on the FEMA deception is here.

FEMA misrepresented core structure of the Twin Towers.

Any who might be interested in acting to ensure justice with 9-11 can use this information.

THE FEMA "CORE DECEPTION"

Misrepresenting the core structure of the Twin Towers as in the following image.

http://algoxy.com/psych/psyimages/femacore.gif

Further, the truth movement has been mislead by quasi leaders that present helicopter photos showing elevator guide rail support steel and calling it "core columns"

The butt plates on top of the guide rail support steel, left and right of the center crane in this photo of WTC 2 at around the fifth floor show a method of joining far too weak to be used to join core columns.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/elev_guide.rail.supp.jpg

It is reasonably expected that if no independently verified evidence of steel core columns, or no credible opposition to this information of the concrete core can be made. The concrete core is a fact and what follows independent verification of the fact must lead towards acceptance.

These images and links to independent verifications of the assertion that the images show a steel reinforced, rectangular, tubular concrete core 80x120'. The ones that show pieces, glimpses of the core, show an empty core when shown, and some concrete surrounding it or another feature of the cast concrete structure surrounding the core area.


THE CONCRETE CORE OF THE TWINS

9-11 IMAGES
End view of WTC 1 W core wall and spire
http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtc1spirecorewall.jpg.

South view of WTC 1 core wall and spire, interior box columns.
http://algoxy.com/psych/images/shearspirewall.jpg

Video of east end of WTC 2 core with thick concrete wall toppling into the empty core (17 sec).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dWBBEtA5bI
Verifying chopper photo from ALT. perspective.
http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtc.1core.fall.jpg

Video of north WTC 1 core wall and guide rail support steel toppling out of position (14 sec).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIZp6aOibiM

3" high tensile steel Rebar of WTC 1's north and west wall, aprox. 50 rebar, silhouetted across the hudson at 400- feet height.
http://home.comcast.net/~jeffrey.king2/spire_dust-3.jpg

A portion of the top of WTC 2 concrete core surrounded in perimeter columns falling onto WTC 3
http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtc2coreonto3.jpg

WTC 2 core standing at 400+-
http://algoxy.com/psych/images/southcorestands.gif




GZ IMAGES
Portion of WTC 1 north core wall section w/3x7 hall running length, daylight shines through.
http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtc1.core.wall.base.annot4.jpg

INDEPENDANT STATEMENTS OF AUTHORITY(not credible that this would not be corrected if it was wrong)
Leslie E. Robertson, Newsweek source for structural data.
MSNBC - ‘Painful and Horrible’

Domel, ground zero consults and examination of plans w/FEMA engineer weeks after 9-11
http://www.ncsea.com/downloads/wtcseerp.pdf

Oxford (scanned photocopy from book in British library perhasp, 2004)
http://algoxy.com/psych/images/oxfordarchcore.jpg

Bazant, et. al. June 21, 2007 revision (northwestern university removed this .pdf sometime in 2008. (Online archives do not show it as was published at the university) The following is reconstructed from a url that was perhaps gained after the original .pdf was taken off the server. The .pdf is here.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images2/00 WTC Collapse - Wha#558C6.pdf

did you ever think they took it off the server because it was WRONG and the ******* lie?
or are you too ******* stupid to understand how the internet works

 

[Christophera]

i meant to say "charged" and it now shows that
**** off asswipe

Maybe you don't understand. When the NYC mayor took the plans he deprived all the citizens of NY and the nation of public documents, the FOIL laws exist to guarantee public access to public documents. When the courts protected their hiding by not compelling a release, they enabled the FEMA deception, which was critical to sabotaging the NIST analysis of collapse and conducting mass murder by secret methods.

again, if it had been the ONLY SET OF PLANS,

It was a lot more than just the plans.

NYCLU:

"World Trade Center files" and "Millennium Project files," together with 6000 files of photographs, 1000 audiotapes, and 15,000 videotapes, are also reported to be a part of the records covered by the contract.

 

[DiveCon]

Maybe you don't understand. When the NYC mayor took the plans he deprived all the citizens of NY and the nation of public documents, the FOIL laws exist to guarantee public access to public documents. When the courts protected their hiding by not compelling a release, they enabled the FEMA deception, which was critical to sabotaging the NIST analysis of collapse and conducting mass murder by secret methods.

again, if it had been the ONLY SET OF PLANS,

It was a lot more than just the plans.

NYCLU:

"World Trade Center files" and "Millennium Project files," together with 6000 files of photographs, 1000 audiotapes, and 15,000 videotapes, are also reported to be a part of the records covered by the contract.

SO????

who gives a ****
it doesnt change the fact that the twin towers had STEEL CORES

 

[LA RAM FAN]

sure is deep prejudice in his posts and his selectively NOT to address it. everytime he is confronted with facts and evidence such as Guliani and FEMA illegally removing evidence all he can come back with in his posts is a bunch of profanity laced bullshit when he in is backed into a corner. thats why he is not worth the effort and why nobody should ever bother with him.

please show evidence anything illegal was done. otherwise, you are talking out of your ass again.

hey disinfo agent,in a crime like this,you DONT destory the evidence like they did and ship it off overseas like FEMA and Guliani had them do.you get arrested for tampering with evidence like they did. but since it was an inside job,of course they arent going to arrest anybody.also agent,the firefighters of new york called the 9/11 investigation a half baked farce and was outraged over that.FACT not THEORY.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

The spam of the disinformation agents must have obscured this proof that the steel shown in the core from helicopter photos of construction is NOT steel core columns. It is elevator guide rail support steel.

NYC mayor took the plans and hid them while the courts protect their hiding[/url] which enabled the structural deception by FEMA of NIST.

Whats REALLY hysterical about these disinformation agents that have been sent here to spam the boards is they ignore that its a FACT not a theory,that many firefighters and first responders of new york called the 9/11 coverup investigation a half baked farce yet that means NOTHING to them,only what NIST and fox news tell them. "rolls on floor laughing."