Federal Minimum Wage.

[Supposn]

Why do people demand or feel they are entitled to a "livable wage" (whatever that is) when working a minimum wage job?

Jottathought, I've read and heard of proposals and pilot projects regarding a minimum or “livable” annual income. That requires the government to provide opportunities for each individual, (regardless of their capabilities), to annually earn no less than that minimum amount.

The federal government does not provide or guarantee minimum wage rate jobs. But an employer is prohibited from paying less than the minimum rate. Employers may not degrade their state's or other states' labor market prices, and thus increasing incidents and extents of poverty within the United States. Respectfully, Supposn

 

[Supposn]

I think it would be smart for Republicans to propose increasing the minimum wage by 25 cent in 2 year increments over the next 20 years then get the Democrats on the record voting against it. That would increase the minimum wage up to $9.75 by 2043. Then we could have a super low and predictable minimum wage for a long period of time. I'm afraid if minimum wage is revisited it will be increased too high which will do nothing in the long run but will be destructive in the short term.

Minimum wage is an issue of character.

The essence of personal and political opposition to the FMW rate.

The federal minimum wage, (FMW) rate is of net social and economic benefit to our nation. It has never been among the major causes of the U.S. dollar’s inflation; on the contrary, it’s certainly among inflations’ victims.

No employees are poorer and no enterprises suffer any competitive disadvantage to any USA enterprises due to the FMW rate.

[there’s no doubt that USA’s higher wage rates are a cause of our products’ price disadvantages in comparison to products from lower-wage nations; but although the elimination of our FMW rate laws would be greatly detrimental to our nation’s net social and economic well-being, eliminating it would accomplish extremely little to remedy our products’ global price disadvantages.
[Refer to Wikipedia’s “Import Certificates” article.]

I suppose most USA’s population, (significantly more than a 10% plurality) to some extent approve of federal minimum rate’s existence. There are few among wealthy or competent people that are opposed to the federal minimum rate.

A great proportion of minimum rate opponents lack self-esteem. They need whatever affirmation of their own worth that they can derive by being able to look down upon people experiencing lesser financial conditions. They cannot acknowledge even to themselves their fears of improving the financial conditions of others would consequentially reduce their own social status. That’s the essence of personal and political opposition to the FMW rate.

Respectfully, Supposn

 

[DudleySmith]

Unions are strategically good for employers at first just to get their foot in the door. Over time they can destroy a company.

Crappy management destroyed far more companies, and still does. If employers continue to collude to hold down wages and stifle competition I can't make myself cry over their problems.

 

[DudleySmith]

I'm not against private sector unions....Freedom of association and all that....But that freedom of association also precludes "closed shops"....Nobody should be forced into a union.

Nobody should be forced to work for anybody else, but reality makes that pretty much impossible. I'm all for free markets, if anybody can find a way to keep them free and keep monopolies from taking over that would be great, but nobody has and apparently nobody wants to, so balances are needed.

 

[DudleySmith]

LMFAO!....I have a stalker.

Commie dorks always obsess on their betters. Abu needs to be kept in a monkey cage and taunted by school children.

 

[norwegen]

Get rid of it altogether.

Price fixing is a crime in the private sector....The gubmint shouldn't be doing it either.

Yep.

A minimum wage is just another way I which Big Brother runs other peoples' businesses.

 

[Woodznutz]

Why do people demand or feel they are entitled to a "livable wage" (whatever that is) when working a minimum wage job?

They aren't prepared for the shock of starting at the bottom and working their way up, the way previous generations did.

 

[jotathought]

They aren't prepared for the shock of starting at the bottom and working their way up, the way previous generations did.

It's because when individuals are sucking the tit of government benefits ... there is no incentive to better oneself, and the outcome is to "blame the system" on why they can't survive.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

The Federal Minimum Wage.


The U.S. Dollar (as all nations' currencies), is of variable value within time. That's why USA's Social Security retirement benefits are annually adjusted to a cost-price index).

Congressional Democrats had previously submitted a proposal, (H.R. 582, 1st session of 116th U.S. Congress) for the minimum wage to be annually increased by some specific amounts, and thereafter be annually increased to whatever has been the proportional increase of USA's median wage rate per employee as determined by the U.S. Department of Labor.
In my opinion, it would be preferable to peg the minimum to the proportional increase of USA's employees' median annual wages as annually reported for the purpose of FICA taxes. That's an objective amount that need not be determined by mathematicians,or statisticians. But I won't quibble; the median USA wage rate is O.K.]

Traditionally Democrats continued submitting minimum wage bills of finite increase amounts until the minimum increases to the finite “target” amount. H.R. was a vast improvement because it accounts for U.S. Dollar's future values. Thus far Republicans have always been permitted to delay the increases until they've been “too little, too late”.

Democrats should draft a bill calling for a predetermined and (reasonably modest) proportional increase of the minimum until it achieves its target of a variable amount; thereafter to be annually adjusted, retaining no less than the variable target. There's no good reason to specify the duration of years for achieving the goal. This is the bill Democrats should continue (without change) annually submitting until it's passed.
Respectfully, Supposn

There should be no Federal Minimum Wage.

There should be no state minimum wage.

If a specific cities citizens wishes to pass one that is the highest level it should be ever made.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

It's because when individuals are sucking the tit of government benefits ... there is no incentive to better oneself, and the outcome is to "blame the system" on why they can't survive.

The Govt tit does not really offer that much, if what they give leaves someone with no incentive to better oneself, that says much about the person and little about the Govt.

 

[Woodznutz]

The Govt tit does not really offer that much, if what they give leaves someone with no incentive to better oneself, that says much about the person and little about the Govt.

True. You gotta jump through hoops to get continued gov't assistance.

 

[jotathought]

The Govt tit does not really offer that much, if what they give leaves someone with no incentive to better oneself, that says much about the person and little about the Govt.

I don't necessarily disagree with your statement, but what incentive does government provide when giving individuals free goodies?

 

[Supposn]

There should be no Federal Minimum Wage.

There should be no state minimum wage.

If a specific cities citizens wishes to pass one that is the highest level it should be ever made.

 

[fncceo]

Different tiers of wages for the different jobs/experience/longevity.

The government has no way to know what value an individual worker brings to an employer.

What any person is paid for a job is a personal and voluntary decision between employers and employees.

 

[Supposn]

Golfing Gator, no person or organization “gives” jobs to applicants. Enterprise's managers created job openings because they had need for some tasks to be performed.
Enterprises attempt to fill those job slots with the most capable workers they're able to recruit at wage rates they're willing to pay.

The federal minimum wage rate laws limit is a MINIMUM rate below which an employer within federal jurisdiction is not enabled to detrimentally affect labor markets' wage rates, and consequentially our nation's economy. Families primarily dependent upon wages are by far the majority of our nation's population segments.

Government doesn't “give” jobs or guarantee jobs to individuals. Enterprise managers recruited their employees and often rejected some applicants. Jobs weren't freely passed out with “no strings attached”.
Employers are not generally altruistic; they generally require their employees' work to be satisfactory and worthy of wages paid; (workers earned their pay, it wasn't given as “gifts”).
Respectfully, Supposn

 

[Supposn]

I'm not against private sector unions....Freedom of association and all that....But that freedom of association also precludes "closed shops"....Nobody should be forced into a union.

Oddball, do you also believe that no one should be forced to pay bus fare? It's OK if they wish to be 'free riders”? How's about all taxes being voluntary?

The union negotiated the “shop's” wage rates with the employers. The union provided shop's employees with the necessary “leverage” to enable their earning no less than union wage rates.
Some state's laws didn't require “closed shop” employees to join the union, but they were required to pay the regular union dues fees. Union fees and dues, (like taxes) enable benefits to be provided and the unions, (similar to governments' taxes) required all closed shop employees to pay their fees and dues.

Since the federal laws anti-union laws have been enacted, those laws have been net detrimental to families dependent upon wages. Respectfully, Supposn

 

[Lisa558]

They need to get rid of minimum wage and formulate wages like they do government wages.

Different tiers of wages for the different jobs/experience/longevity.

Say base workers would make $10.00 an hour. Base workers being anyone in a low-end retail or sales job......cashiers, stockers, cooks, lawn maintenance workers, wait staff, etc...

Tier 3 managers would be those managers you might call Supervisors. They do a lot of the grunt work the manager doesn't have time for, but aren't experience/trained enough to be a manager themselves. Tier 2 would be a mid-level manager, and Tier 3 would be the head manager or a district manager. Corporate managers would fall under a different catagory.

Well, you get the idea.

This way, EVERYBODY knows what job pays what, and what they have to do in order to go to the next level. No fuss, no muss.
Companies would have the options for paying MORE, but the would not be able to pay LESS, unless they want their company or business shut down.

So you want the government controlling the compensation expenses of all private companies? Then we would end up with a bunch of overpaid incompetent workers, just like they have in the government, but the difference is: private companies can’t print money or go to the citizens for tax revenue.

So, they’d all be driven out of business, and then government would own everything.Socialism.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Golfing Gator, no person or organization “gives” jobs to applicants. Enterprise's managers created job openings because they had need for some tasks to be performed.
Enterprises attempt to fill those job slots with the most capable workers they're able to recruit at wage rates they're willing to pay.

The federal minimum wage rate laws limit is a MINIMUM rate below which an employer within federal jurisdiction is not enabled to detrimentally affect labor markets' wage rates, and consequentially our nation's economy. Families primarily dependent upon wages are by far the majority of our nation's population segments.

Government doesn't “give” jobs or guarantee jobs to individuals. Enterprise managers recruited their employees and often rejected some applicants. Jobs weren't freely passed out with “no strings attached”.
Employers are not generally altruistic; they generally require their employees' work to be satisfactory and worthy of wages paid; (workers earned their pay, it wasn't given as “gifts”).
Respectfully, Supposn

What does any of that have to do with anything I posted?

Did I ever once post that the Govt gave jobs or that anyone gave jobs?

 

[Lisa558]

They aren't prepared for the shock of starting at the bottom and working their way up, the way previous generations did.

Exactly! They want to come right out of school and expect to afford their own apartment. Nobody I knew did that - including college graduates with well-paying careers in their future. When they first started out, everyone either 1) shared an apartment or b) rented a small bedroom in a house.

I just did a search on Zillow for a 3-bedroom apartment about an hour’s commute from a major East Coast city. There were a lot of them in the $2000 range, and one only $1500, which three low-wage people could share. Of course they were all in dumpy areas, but that’s what you get if you haven’t any job skills.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I just did a search on Zillow for a 3-bedroom apartment about an hour’s commute from a major East Coast city. There were a lot of them in the $2000 range, and one only $1500, which three low-wage people could share. Of course they were all in dumpy areas, but that’s what you get if you haven’t any job skills.

And thus the problem. Before I joined the Marines in 88 I was renting 1 bedroom house for just around 500 a month