Federal Judge throws out Democrat Attempt to Block Wall Funding

[danielpalos]

feck those foreigners and i say that not bothering to argues with you over what you say in Post 178 'english bob / cowboy ted' !! Even if what you said is correct , well , thats the way it goes 'english ted' .

wasting our tax money on foreign wars on crime, drugs, and terror only bothers foreigners and turns them into refugees.

 

[iceberg]

first of all - since i'm not for a wall, you and others seem to think i'm happy to let them come over here in droves and care for them.

200% WRONG.

i view illegal immigration as likely our biggest threat today. but i see both sides dug in and not doing ANYTHING simply because the other side doesn't want the first side to actually be credited with ANYTHING positive. if immigration isn't our biggest threat, this is.

ourselves. just stop for a second and look around at what we're doing to ourselves these days and the war-trenches we've dug so we don't give another inch to that "other side". the funding for a wall will never come through and it will continue to be built in ad-hoc "gofundme" ways. that isn't practical, is left to who will maintain it, and will still leave 1200 or so miles UNWALLED at this point.

how long will it take to gofundme 1200 miles of wall? on who's land are we going to put it when it becomes private property and the gov is not pushing this but people? no one is thinking this through and it's because of the environment we've collectively created that is our biggest holdup.

there are places where a wall certainly makes sense. to bring in israel is fine but their wall far out is more like a huge fence and not the concrete WW-Z wall the entire distance. also - they are under attack 24x7 so sure a wall makes more sense.

now again - i am FOR a wall where it makes sense. 200 miles of desert wall i think would be better served with long range detection of people coming and a use of technology to stop them and/or meet them at the border cause we've seen them coming. but where is the compromise of ideas? so far nowhere. i wanted to talk options and ideas; common in many discussion groups but the rabid right went into attack mode and would not listen to hear other ideas for solutions. yet these are the same people who bitch that the left won't listen.

funny how that happens far too often, huh? bitch at someone else cause they won't listen while you spend your time NOT listening? people are so afraid that if you give one inch your life will domino and the world will fall. i'd argue this bullheaded bullshit will end us faster than trying to compromise.

i did some research into why they keep coming and while sure the left making stupid promises is part of the puzzle, it's only part. there is more of a perfect storm of events going on. pull a few lynch pins out from this and the rest can cave in. but only if you look to understand what you're dealing with and choose to attack it intelligently, not emotionally.

putting up a wall can certainly be part of an overall solution but anyone thinking it is the entire solution is seriously delusional, to me anyway. i'd love to talk about ideas and solutions but you've seen many people in here simply can't have that.

my way or fuck off while they bitch at others doing the same. ironic as fuck in a seriously socially painful way.

A wall would do away with the whole problem. Walls work. Ask the Israeli's. There's has worked for a long time.

That's the idea as I see it. I couldn't care less about the why they come. Just the fact that they do come and cost we tax payers billions every year.

Its more than time to build the wall. We have a national crisis at the border with thousands of fake asylum seekers looking to get in and illegals crossing the border by the thousands.

With a wall we won't have any more illegals getting into the country. A wall won't let the fake asylum seekers in either.

More than works for me.

why they come will be a direct reflection on how much they're willing to go through. not caring about the why's that dictate actions you are, to me, seems like flying blind and hoping you land ok.

again - a wall where it make sense can be part of a solution but it certainly is not an entire one.

The wall will stop them from getting in. That's the only solution I need to see.

Their problems aren't my problems and I sure as hell don't see a reason to make them my problems.

well since they're coming here by the droves, it seems it *is* our problem or we'd not need to put up a wall to address "not our problem".

so since we have to address it in some form, i'd rather be as productive as possible about it.

The wall would eliminate "our problem."

and how long before we can get that built then?

again - this MY WAY OR FUCK OFF is why we're having such a hard time getting ANYTHING done anymore.

 

[danielpalos]

solve the problem , how !! I think you advocate fixing up their zhit holes so they stay at home . Sounds to me that you want the USA to fix up the zholes like the USA fixed up 'mexico' using USA taxpayer money so that then 'mexico' can exert its will against the USA Iceberg .

waging war with weapons of micro and mass destruction on a for-profit basis is immoral; only the right wing advocates for that.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Seeking asylum is not illegal. And, there is no express immigration clause.

Nothing but the abomination of hypocrisy with a McCarthy era phrase in our pledge.

That is why we don't take the right wing seriously.

Job 34:30 applies.

Hypocrisy cuts many angles. My favorite is the Asylum defense from Liberals. Based on the Asylum guidelines, Mexico should be the final stop. Further, why do liberals lose their shit over Trump calling these countries “shit holes” and immediately pivot to the oppression, persecution, torture, and rape these people face?

It is in the favor of America if we let them have their little dreamy delusions of making America into a shithole so they can seize power. They hate President Trump merely because he tells it like it is. And the American people, who they do not think will catch on to Hillary Rodham Clinton's vast left-wing conspiracy, are catching on, and it will be stand in the corner, Democrats at the next election. Of course, they will get sillier and sillier, but that's just how the mop flops.

isn't right wing fantasy wonderful.

Got it right on the nose, didn't I.
It's not republicans who are in fantasy, we know the truth.
It's sadly, the Democrat party, who Zeig Heil their puppetmasters and diss everyone else, especially those Republicans who know our leaders do the right thing. We like the President America voted into office. And he doesn't bend just because a few squiggeling movie star broads hate him based on lies that your Democrat Party sensationalized with a bought-and-paid-for liberal press who want socialism/communism at any price.

Show us the Express immigration clause, right wingers. Only practitioners of the abomination of hypocrisy claim what the right wing does.

The problem is that there is no consensus on “express immigration” laws. Anything outside of “open borders” and the Left will not consider as “express”.

 

[Faun]

The border is nearly 2000 miles long. Half a mile covers only about 0.00025 of that. That was worth $22 million, huh?

Yes. The cost to American taxpayers for illegal immigrants is far greater.

A half mile of fence won't keep a single person from illegally crossing over. :eusa_doh vcd

Border agents said differently

Great, let's see you quote one saying that private fence kept out an illegal alien....

Let's see you prove you have a brain.

I didn't vote for Trump.

 

[danielpalos]

mostly i advocate using military force and a WALL and other forceful means against the invading enemy Iceberg .

why not engage our Commerce Clause; too much faith required?

 

[Jitss617]

Yes. The cost to American taxpayers for illegal immigrants is far greater.

A half mile of fence won't keep a single person from illegally crossing over. :eusa_doh vcd

Border agents said differently

Great, let's see you quote one saying that private fence kept out an illegal alien....

Let's see you prove you have a brain.

I didn't vote for Trump.

Walls don’t work but you have a brain? Lol

 

[Faun]

The border is nearly 2000 miles long. Half a mile covers only about 0.00025 of that. That was worth $22 million, huh?

Yes. The cost to American taxpayers for illegal immigrants is far greater.

A half mile of fence won't keep a single person from illegally crossing over. :eusa_doh vcd

Border agents said differently

Great, let's see you quote one saying that private fence kept out an illegal alien....

We just know it does. Within the last few days, a couple of people have died from falls trying to get over the unscalable 40' wall.

And furthermore.......
President Trump's use of tariffs as a negotiating tool is in stark contrast to how Republicans have traditionally operated, according to Brit Hume.

The move would be a "dramatic departure" from conservative orthodoxy if Trump follows through on his threat to impose tariffs on countries like China and Mexico, Hume said Tuesday on "The Story."

MEXICO TO BEGIN RATIFICATION PROCESS FOR USMCA TRADE DEAL

"He really has made a kind of dramatic departure from what had been contemporary American conservative thought about trade," Hume claimed. "Tariffs were considered anathema and people look back to the tariffs that were imposed during the Great Depression and the damage they did and said, 'this is folly'."

Last week, Trump threatened to institute a 5 percent tariff on Mexico until the illegal immigration surge at the southern border is "remedied."

Too bad, Demmies. President Trump loves American citizens, but he will accept some if they have something to give back. IOW, drug dealers, go home. Drug swindlers who kill 300 Americans per week, go home. People who want to replace American law with Sharia law, go home. People using coming over here to destroy any American job, any American citizen, to home; any rapist of women or children, go home, any killer out of prison dumped at the border, go home, any American hater bent on damaging America in the future, go home.

"We just know it does."

 

[danielpalos]

A half mile of fence won't keep a single person from illegally crossing over. :eusa_doh vcd

Border agents said differently

show us the express wall building clause.

Immigration laws

there is no immigration clause, either; why should we continue to indulge the moral turpitude of the right wing's, bigotry; whatever excuse shall we use with "St. Pete"?

We have laws passed by Congress.. what don’t you understand?

i understand only the right wing prefers the moral turpitude of being illegal to our own laws, but blaming the less fortunate for their allegedly being illegal to our laws.

 

[Jitss617]

Border agents said differently

show us the express wall building clause.

Immigration laws

there is no immigration clause, either; why should we continue to indulge the moral turpitude of the right wing's, bigotry; whatever excuse shall we use with "St. Pete"?

We have laws passed by Congress.. what don’t you understand?

i understand only the right wing prefers the moral turpitude of being illegal to our own laws, but blaming the less fortunate for their allegedly being illegal to our laws.

I care about the less fortunate poor Americans

 

[pismoe]

Oh and you see that as a good thing??

You apparently don't mind we tax payers spending billions every year on the 20 million illegals in this country.

You also don't seem to mind the American who are robbed, raped and murdered by illegals every year.

Just shows what a fool you are.

You see wasting billions of taxpayer dollars on a wall which isn’t needed and won’t have any affect on your illegal immigrant population whatsoever, as a good idea. People who are smarter, and students of history know that WALLS DON’T WORK.

Walls do NOTHING to deal with the root causes of illegal migration which is employers like Donald Trump who are only to happy to exploit them. Taking away their jobs sends them home REAL fast.

Voted for Donald Trump which proves you’re not really very smart at all and you don’t know much at all or you would have known what a crook and a con man he is.

------------------------------- if nothing else the WALL and Pro WALL talk is simply a ' Personal poke in the eye to 'mex' and other third worlders' as it says , hey , we don't want YOU third worlders and i approve of it for that reason alone DLady .

Well, considering that the USA is the shit hole country of the First World, you're not likely to get many well educated first worlders, because we're all much better off where we are with our universal health care, cleaner air and water, lower drug prices, and strong social safety net. There aren't mass shootings every week where we live.

I notice you feel no need to build a wall to stop Canadians from flooding across your border. While the American middle class is shrinking, ours is the fastest growing in the world.


With your c

Well for a shithole we are doing pretty damned good. Seems this shithole is the target of every freeloader in Mexico and South America.

Canadians don't flood across the border. Why should they?? They have a pretty good land to live it with free everything. Why come to America??

If you don't like America you can always move to Mexico or Canada. Good riddance.

You mean the countries the US have destabilised through various means Drug War, Over Privatisation, Bribery, Dictatorship support, Coup Support, Gun running.... Now you are just washing your hands...

--------------------------------------- see your Claims and opinions in the last paragraph that you expect to be taken seriously . Like i said , even if true they are simply History and YOUR Opinion Eted .

 

[danielpalos]

Hypocrisy cuts many angles. My favorite is the Asylum defense from Liberals. Based on the Asylum guidelines, Mexico should be the final stop. Further, why do liberals lose their shit over Trump calling these countries “shit holes” and immediately pivot to the oppression, persecution, torture, and rape these people face?

It is in the favor of America if we let them have their little dreamy delusions of making America into a shithole so they can seize power. They hate President Trump merely because he tells it like it is. And the American people, who they do not think will catch on to Hillary Rodham Clinton's vast left-wing conspiracy, are catching on, and it will be stand in the corner, Democrats at the next election. Of course, they will get sillier and sillier, but that's just how the mop flops.

isn't right wing fantasy wonderful.

Got it right on the nose, didn't I.
It's not republicans who are in fantasy, we know the truth.
It's sadly, the Democrat party, who Zeig Heil their puppetmasters and diss everyone else, especially those Republicans who know our leaders do the right thing. We like the President America voted into office. And he doesn't bend just because a few squiggeling movie star broads hate him based on lies that your Democrat Party sensationalized with a bought-and-paid-for liberal press who want socialism/communism at any price.

Show us the Express immigration clause, right wingers. Only practitioners of the abomination of hypocrisy claim what the right wing does.

The problem is that there is no consensus on “express immigration” laws. Anything outside of “open borders” and the Left will not consider as “express”.

There is no appeal to ignorance of the law but blaming the less fortunate.

 

[danielpalos]

show us the express wall building clause.

Immigration laws

there is no immigration clause, either; why should we continue to indulge the moral turpitude of the right wing's, bigotry; whatever excuse shall we use with "St. Pete"?

We have laws passed by Congress.. what don’t you understand?

i understand only the right wing prefers the moral turpitude of being illegal to our own laws, but blaming the less fortunate for their allegedly being illegal to our laws.

I care about the less fortunate poor Americans

sure, you do. anybody can Talk. The right wing is best at it.

 

[BS Filter]

Yes. The cost to American taxpayers for illegal immigrants is far greater.

A half mile of fence won't keep a single person from illegally crossing over. :eusa_doh vcd

Border agents said differently

Great, let's see you quote one saying that private fence kept out an illegal alien....

Let's see you prove you have a brain.

I didn't vote for Trump.

Please, don't vote for Trump again.

 

[BS Filter]

It is in the favor of America if we let them have their little dreamy delusions of making America into a shithole so they can seize power. They hate President Trump merely because he tells it like it is. And the American people, who they do not think will catch on to Hillary Rodham Clinton's vast left-wing conspiracy, are catching on, and it will be stand in the corner, Democrats at the next election. Of course, they will get sillier and sillier, but that's just how the mop flops.

isn't right wing fantasy wonderful.

Got it right on the nose, didn't I.
It's not republicans who are in fantasy, we know the truth.
It's sadly, the Democrat party, who Zeig Heil their puppetmasters and diss everyone else, especially those Republicans who know our leaders do the right thing. We like the President America voted into office. And he doesn't bend just because a few squiggeling movie star broads hate him based on lies that your Democrat Party sensationalized with a bought-and-paid-for liberal press who want socialism/communism at any price.

Show us the Express immigration clause, right wingers. Only practitioners of the abomination of hypocrisy claim what the right wing does.

The problem is that there is no consensus on “express immigration” laws. Anything outside of “open borders” and the Left will not consider as “express”.

There is no appeal to ignorance of the law but blaming the less fortunate.

Being "less fortunate" is no excuse to break the law. Try that defense in a court of law.

 

[Faun]

A half mile of fence won't keep a single person from illegally crossing over. :eusa_doh vcd

Border agents said differently

Great, let's see you quote one saying that private fence kept out an illegal alien....

Let's see you prove you have a brain.

I didn't vote for Trump.

Walls don’t work but you have a brain? Lol

 

[BS Filter]

Border agents said differently

Great, let's see you quote one saying that private fence kept out an illegal alien....

Let's see you prove you have a brain.

I didn't vote for Trump.

Walls don’t work but you have a brain? Lol

And when one of them falls and breaks his neck or dies, you'll blame Trump.

 

[Faun]

Great, let's see you quote one saying that private fence kept out an illegal alien....

Let's see you prove you have a brain.

I didn't vote for Trump.

Walls don’t work but you have a brain? Lol

And when one of them falls and breaks his neck or dies, you'll blame Trump.

Oh? Did you blame Obama for any such broken necks?

 

[Jitss617]

Immigration laws

there is no immigration clause, either; why should we continue to indulge the moral turpitude of the right wing's, bigotry; whatever excuse shall we use with "St. Pete"?

We have laws passed by Congress.. what don’t you understand?

i understand only the right wing prefers the moral turpitude of being illegal to our own laws, but blaming the less fortunate for their allegedly being illegal to our laws.

I care about the less fortunate poor Americans

sure, you do. anybody can Talk. The right wing is best at it.

Assimilate and you will learn the way

 

[22lcidw]

solve the problem , how !! I think you advocate fixing up their zhit holes so they stay at home . Sounds to me that you want the USA to fix up the zholes like the USA fixed up 'mexico' using USA taxpayer money so that then 'mexico' can exert its will against the USA Iceberg .

waging war with weapons of micro and mass destruction on a for-profit basis is immoral; only the right wing advocates for that.

For most Americans, we have life's lottery compared to most other nations. You are removing those powerballs and the odds massively as the lottery loses its luster with reduced payouts and the results are a much poorer nation. Not one of you. Not one of you on your soapboxes has given up your wealth for the cause. You even promote agendas that will cost the peasant massive resources while violating the same agendas. You are the Tokyo Rose's of the modern American nation.