FDR knew!

[MisterBeale]

 

[MisterBeale]

 

[MisterBeale]

Really should have let the japs wipe out more chinese. They would have left the islands alone. The Krauts could have taken out the soviets and if nazism didn't implode on it's own, the nazis and japs would have eventually gone to war and we could sell them the guns.

Should have been minding our business back then. We wouldn't be in the shit we're in now.

Yep. Putting an embargo and cutting of their banking on the Japs b/c we didn't like what they were doing to the Koreans and Chinese was stupid.

If you are in a store, and somebody is shopping, if you keep blocking them, getting in their way, and stop them from getting access to the shelves to purchase what they want, don't be surprised when they eventually take a swipe at you so that they can do their shopping in peace.

Economic warfare has always been seen as the initiation of hostilities.

 

[MisterBeale]

I see the statist idiots have stained the thread.

The truth is impossible for some to accept. They prefer lies.

no surprise since the two of them that came on and farted in your thread are two paid shills on the governments payroll. Jake is the loverboy of agent rightwinger.always having his head up his ass.

Yep. I wouldn't be surprised if at the end of four years, they are two of Trump's biggest supporters, when they were both vehemently opposed to him at election time.

They're like operation mockingbird on acid.

More transparent than a window.

 

[gipper]

I see the statist idiots have stained the thread.

The truth is impossible for some to accept. They prefer lies.

no surprise since the two of them that came on and farted in your thread are two paid shills on the governments payroll. Jake is the loverboy of agent rightwinger.always having his head up his ass.

Yep. I wouldn't be surprised if at the end of four years, they are two of Trump's biggest supporters, when they were both vehemently opposed to him at election time.

They're like operation mockingbird on acid.

More transparent than a window.

FDR was a traitor in more ways than one, but his actions leading up to and directly after Pearl Harbor were without question, the acts of a traitor. He should have been hung for what he did. Instead he is lionized as a great man.

This spells it out very clearly and concisely...even the most devoted statist should be able to comprehend...

FDR’s Pearl Harbor Bait
On October 30, 1940, during his campaign for an unprecedented third term as president, Franklin Roosevelt told an audience in Boston,

And while I am talking to you mothers and fathers, I give you one more assurance. I have said this before, but I shall say it again and again and again: Your boys are not going to be sent into any foreign wars. They are going into training to form a force so strong that, by its very existence, it will keep the threat of war far away from our shores. The purpose of our defense is defense.

It was a lie. In actuality, FDR was secretly doing everything he could to embroil the United States into World War II to help Great Britain and France defeat Germany.

Why secretly? Because he knew that the American people, having been fed a bill of goods by President Wilson some 20 years regarding World War I, were overwhelmingly opposed to entering another European war.

If Roosevelt wanted to intervene in the war, why didn’t he just send U.S. troops into battle, just as later presidents would do in places like Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Grenada, Afghanistan, Somalia, and others?

This was during a time when presidents still complied with the constitutional provision that prohibits a president from waging war without first securing a declaration of war from Congress. FDR knew that if he went to Congress and asked for a declaration of war, as Wilson had for intervention into World War I, there was no chance that Congress would have consented to it.

So, FDR did everything he could to induce Germany into attacking the United States, including having U.S. warships escort British ships in war zones and even going so far as to track and report on German submarines in the area. Also, under so-called “lend-lease” agreements, FDR began providing armaments to Great Britain.

That’s when he began squeezing Japan. He began demanding that Japan end its brutal military occupation of China. When Japan refused to comply with his order, FDR ordered a freeze on Japanese bank accounts in the United States.

More important, he imposed complete embargo on U.S. oil shipments to Japan, an act that directly threatened the ability of the Japanese military to continue occupying China.

When Japan entered negotiations with the United States in an attempt to avoid war with the U.S., FDR offered terms that he knew would be highly humiliating to the Japanese and that they would never accept. By this time, the United States had broken Japan’s diplomatic code and also possibly its military code (that part is still being held secret by the U.S. military) and so U.S. officials knew that war was imminent.

That’s why U.S. troops were left in the Philippines and why U.S. ships were left at Pearl Harbor. FDR used them as bait for the Japanese to attack. Roosevelt was crafty enough to order U.S. carriers out of Hawaii so that they would still be available for war later on. But he just as craftily left destroyers and cruisers — and the men operating them at Pearl Harbor — so that the Japanese could be lured into attacking and providing FDR with his casus belli. It’s also why Gen. Douglas Macarthur and 10,000 American troops were left in the Philippines. They too were being used as bait.

More at the link......STATISTS PLEASE READ IT>>>>
FDR’s Pearl Harbor Bait - The Future of Freedom Foundation

 

[there4eyeM]

If one rates F.D.R. as a traitor for actions in WWII, what would one say of the President in 2003?

 

[gipper]

If one rates F.D.R. as a traitor for actions in WWII, what would one say of the President in 2003?

One not blinded by partisanship and only guided by logic, would demand that the president in 2003 be imprisoned...along with his predecessor and successor.

...which I have done several times on this forum over the years.

 

[rightwinger]

FDR had a vague report that negotiations had broken down and an attack was immanent.....But where?
Pearl Harbor seemed like a remote target for a Japanese attack...a carrier attack of that magnitude had never been executed

The real question was Gen Douglas MacArthur who had 20 hour notice that Pearl Harbor had been attacked but was still caught with his planes on the ground. The Generals in command of Pearl Harbor lost their jobs, but they made MacArthur a hero

Wrong as usual.

considering how agent rightwinger STLL says the Rams are playing in st louis this year,what else do you expect? oh and I am not kidding either.


hey agent rightwinger,time to commit suicide because even your lover Jakey has even said I called it right on the Rams coming back.



time to cry in defeat as always since you have never ONCE been right on ANYTHING.

St Louis Rams suck

No wonder LA didn't want them

 

[rightwinger]

Any military planner worthy of the term, looking at the pre-Dec. 1941 map of the Pacific and familiar with the previous thirty years' history, would not have been 'surprised' that Japan did what it did.
That US military planners claim to have been surprised is, therefore, not believable. However, that does not clarify much in the way or any conspiracy theories. It may merely reflect upon competence.

They knew it was coming and helped it happen...

Knowledge of the plan was limited to 13 Roosevelt administration members and chief military officers, and 21 members of Naval Intelligence and related operations. Once it produced the intended result and the attack impended, the Pacific fleet’s modern naval vessels were sent to sea from Pearl Harbor, leaving seven antiquated World War One battleships as decoys. Meanwhile, the Japanese fleet was tracked with radio intercepts from its formation off the Kuril Islands on November 16, and its sailing for Hawaii on November 26; its course was cleared of all shipping with a Vacant Sea order on the 22nd; and Pearl Harbor naval patrols were ordered out of the area on the 25th. Intelligence of the impending attack was withheld from the officers (Admiral Kimmel and General Short) charged with defending Pearl Harbor, who were kept uninformed of the plan and intelligence of the impending attack, and scape-goated afterward. A coverup of the entire operation was maintained through eight official and Congressional investigations between 1941 and 1946, and down to Strom Thurmond’s inquiry in 1995.

Pearl Harbor Facts and Proof

When asserting such charges, real evidence is needed, like a copy of the orders or memos regarding the actions There are none in this blog review..There are no direct citations with visible evidence...Only what someone writing the book claims...In other words, you, the reader,, are just to assume what is said is the truth...

My post was not in reference to anything other than what was apparent at the time. Japan had the biggest navy in the world, by far the most aircraft carriers, an absolute dependence upon imported resources, a history of 'surprise' attacks, and a radical, out-of-control militarist, fascist, right wing government in charge.

From the actual documents I have read on the hearings by Congress on the attack, it does state that they knew there was going to be an attack, they did not know exactly the most important issue of time and place. The US had it's air craft carrier out of the harbor in the event of such an attack and also to do -patrol duty, yet one carrier can't cover much more than a radius of 2-300 miles from the ship...
The idea that the shipping lanes were abandoned is a strategy used when knowing your enemy has a superior force and thus air patrol was the most important way to operate strategically.The commander of Pearl had been alerted and later it was found that he did not stress the use of air patrol to it's furthest extent..

FDR made sure to get the carriers out of Pearl Harbor. The only ships in port that Sunday were WWI era battleships, Which FDR gladly sacrificed for his heinous cause.

Why would FDR sacrifice his battleships when they were the backbone of our Naval defenses? Most of the Admirals were old school naval tacticians. FDR was undersecretary of the Navy in WWI. They loved Battleships and would not willingly give them up

Naval aviation was a new theory pushed primarily by Jimmy Doolittle. The Navy brass begrudgingly built carriers but they were looked at as more support for the surface fleet than offensive weapons

It was not till after Pearl Harbor that Naval doctrine changed to focus on the carriers

 

[MisterBeale]

If one rates F.D.R. as a traitor for actions in WWII, what would one say of the President in 2003?

He's even worse, he's a GD war criminal. He started a preemptive war where no war existed.

 

[MisterBeale]

They knew it was coming and helped it happen...

Knowledge of the plan was limited to 13 Roosevelt administration members and chief military officers, and 21 members of Naval Intelligence and related operations. Once it produced the intended result and the attack impended, the Pacific fleet’s modern naval vessels were sent to sea from Pearl Harbor, leaving seven antiquated World War One battleships as decoys. Meanwhile, the Japanese fleet was tracked with radio intercepts from its formation off the Kuril Islands on November 16, and its sailing for Hawaii on November 26; its course was cleared of all shipping with a Vacant Sea order on the 22nd; and Pearl Harbor naval patrols were ordered out of the area on the 25th. Intelligence of the impending attack was withheld from the officers (Admiral Kimmel and General Short) charged with defending Pearl Harbor, who were kept uninformed of the plan and intelligence of the impending attack, and scape-goated afterward. A coverup of the entire operation was maintained through eight official and Congressional investigations between 1941 and 1946, and down to Strom Thurmond’s inquiry in 1995.

Pearl Harbor Facts and Proof

When asserting such charges, real evidence is needed, like a copy of the orders or memos regarding the actions There are none in this blog review..There are no direct citations with visible evidence...Only what someone writing the book claims...In other words, you, the reader,, are just to assume what is said is the truth...

My post was not in reference to anything other than what was apparent at the time. Japan had the biggest navy in the world, by far the most aircraft carriers, an absolute dependence upon imported resources, a history of 'surprise' attacks, and a radical, out-of-control militarist, fascist, right wing government in charge.

From the actual documents I have read on the hearings by Congress on the attack, it does state that they knew there was going to be an attack, they did not know exactly the most important issue of time and place. The US had it's air craft carrier out of the harbor in the event of such an attack and also to do -patrol duty, yet one carrier can't cover much more than a radius of 2-300 miles from the ship...
The idea that the shipping lanes were abandoned is a strategy used when knowing your enemy has a superior force and thus air patrol was the most important way to operate strategically.The commander of Pearl had been alerted and later it was found that he did not stress the use of air patrol to it's furthest extent..

FDR made sure to get the carriers out of Pearl Harbor. The only ships in port that Sunday were WWI era battleships, Which FDR gladly sacrificed for his heinous cause.

Why would FDR sacrifice his battleships when they were the backbone of our Naval defenses? Most of the Admirals were old school naval tacticians. FDR was undersecretary of the Navy in WWI. They loved Battleships and would not willingly give them up

Naval aviation was a new theory pushed primarily by Jimmy Doolittle. The Navy brass begrudgingly built carriers but they were looked at as more support for the surface fleet than offensive weapons

It was not till after Pearl Harbor that Naval doctrine changed to focus on the carriers

 

[MisterBeale]

I see the statist idiots have stained the thread.

The truth is impossible for some to accept. They prefer lies.

no surprise since the two of them that came on and farted in your thread are two paid shills on the governments payroll. Jake is the loverboy of agent rightwinger.always having his head up his ass.

Yep. I wouldn't be surprised if at the end of four years, they are two of Trump's biggest supporters, when they were both vehemently opposed to him at election time.

They're like operation mockingbird on acid.

More transparent than a window.

FDR was a traitor in more ways than one, but his actions leading up to and directly after Pearl Harbor were without question, the acts of a traitor. He should have been hung for what he did. Instead he is lionized as a great man.

This spells it out very clearly and concisely...even the most devoted statist should be able to comprehend...

FDR’s Pearl Harbor Bait
On October 30, 1940, during his campaign for an unprecedented third term as president, Franklin Roosevelt told an audience in Boston,

And while I am talking to you mothers and fathers, I give you one more assurance. I have said this before, but I shall say it again and again and again: Your boys are not going to be sent into any foreign wars. They are going into training to form a force so strong that, by its very existence, it will keep the threat of war far away from our shores. The purpose of our defense is defense.

It was a lie. In actuality, FDR was secretly doing everything he could to embroil the United States into World War II to help Great Britain and France defeat Germany.

Why secretly? Because he knew that the American people, having been fed a bill of goods by President Wilson some 20 years regarding World War I, were overwhelmingly opposed to entering another European war.

If Roosevelt wanted to intervene in the war, why didn’t he just send U.S. troops into battle, just as later presidents would do in places like Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Grenada, Afghanistan, Somalia, and others?

This was during a time when presidents still complied with the constitutional provision that prohibits a president from waging war without first securing a declaration of war from Congress. FDR knew that if he went to Congress and asked for a declaration of war, as Wilson had for intervention into World War I, there was no chance that Congress would have consented to it.

So, FDR did everything he could to induce Germany into attacking the United States, including having U.S. warships escort British ships in war zones and even going so far as to track and report on German submarines in the area. Also, under so-called “lend-lease” agreements, FDR began providing armaments to Great Britain.

That’s when he began squeezing Japan. He began demanding that Japan end its brutal military occupation of China. When Japan refused to comply with his order, FDR ordered a freeze on Japanese bank accounts in the United States.

More important, he imposed complete embargo on U.S. oil shipments to Japan, an act that directly threatened the ability of the Japanese military to continue occupying China.

When Japan entered negotiations with the United States in an attempt to avoid war with the U.S., FDR offered terms that he knew would be highly humiliating to the Japanese and that they would never accept. By this time, the United States had broken Japan’s diplomatic code and also possibly its military code (that part is still being held secret by the U.S. military) and so U.S. officials knew that war was imminent.

That’s why U.S. troops were left in the Philippines and why U.S. ships were left at Pearl Harbor. FDR used them as bait for the Japanese to attack. Roosevelt was crafty enough to order U.S. carriers out of Hawaii so that they would still be available for war later on. But he just as craftily left destroyers and cruisers — and the men operating them at Pearl Harbor — so that the Japanese could be lured into attacking and providing FDR with his casus belli. It’s also why Gen. Douglas Macarthur and 10,000 American troops were left in the Philippines. They too were being used as bait.

More at the link......STATISTS PLEASE READ IT>>>>
FDR’s Pearl Harbor Bait - The Future of Freedom Foundation

How U.S. Economic Warfare Provoked Japan’s Attack on Pearl Harbor
How U.S. Economic Warfare Provoked Japan's Attack on Pearl Harbor - Robert Higgs

An Untenable Position Roosevelt and his subordinates knew they were putting Japan in an untenable position and that the Japanese government might well try to escape the stranglehold by going to war. Having broken the Japanese diplomatic code, the Americans knew, among many other things, what Foreign Minister Teijiro Toyoda had communicated to Ambassador Kichisaburo Nomura on July 31: “Commercial and economic relations between Japan and third countries, led by England and the United States, are gradually becoming so horribly strained that we cannot endure it much longer. Consequently, our Empire, to save its very life, must take measures to secure the raw materials of the South Seas.”[3]

Because American cryptographers had also broken the Japanese naval code, the leaders in Washington knew as well that Japan’s “measures” would include an attack on Pearl Harbor.[4] Yet they withheld this critical information from the commanders in Hawaii, who might have headed off the attack or prepared themselves to defend against it. That Roosevelt and his chieftains did not ring the tocsin makes perfect sense: after all, the impending attack constituted precisely what they had been seeking for a long time. As Stimson confided to his diary after a meeting of the war cabinet on November 25, “The question was how we should maneuver them [the Japanese] into firing the first shot without allowing too much danger to ourselves.”[5] After the attack, Stimson confessed that “my first feeling was of relief ... that a crisis had come in a way which would unite all our people.[6]

 

[rightwinger]

I see the statist idiots have stained the thread.

The truth is impossible for some to accept. They prefer lies.

no surprise since the two of them that came on and farted in your thread are two paid shills on the governments payroll. Jake is the loverboy of agent rightwinger.always having his head up his ass.

Yep. I wouldn't be surprised if at the end of four years, they are two of Trump's biggest supporters, when they were both vehemently opposed to him at election time.

They're like operation mockingbird on acid.

More transparent than a window.

FDR was a traitor in more ways than one, but his actions leading up to and directly after Pearl Harbor were without question, the acts of a traitor. He should have been hung for what he did. Instead he is lionized as a great man.

This spells it out very clearly and concisely...even the most devoted statist should be able to comprehend...

FDR’s Pearl Harbor Bait
On October 30, 1940, during his campaign for an unprecedented third term as president, Franklin Roosevelt told an audience in Boston,

And while I am talking to you mothers and fathers, I give you one more assurance. I have said this before, but I shall say it again and again and again: Your boys are not going to be sent into any foreign wars. They are going into training to form a force so strong that, by its very existence, it will keep the threat of war far away from our shores. The purpose of our defense is defense.

It was a lie. In actuality, FDR was secretly doing everything he could to embroil the United States into World War II to help Great Britain and France defeat Germany.

Why secretly? Because he knew that the American people, having been fed a bill of goods by President Wilson some 20 years regarding World War I, were overwhelmingly opposed to entering another European war.

If Roosevelt wanted to intervene in the war, why didn’t he just send U.S. troops into battle, just as later presidents would do in places like Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Grenada, Afghanistan, Somalia, and others?

This was during a time when presidents still complied with the constitutional provision that prohibits a president from waging war without first securing a declaration of war from Congress. FDR knew that if he went to Congress and asked for a declaration of war, as Wilson had for intervention into World War I, there was no chance that Congress would have consented to it.

So, FDR did everything he could to induce Germany into attacking the United States, including having U.S. warships escort British ships in war zones and even going so far as to track and report on German submarines in the area. Also, under so-called “lend-lease” agreements, FDR began providing armaments to Great Britain.

That’s when he began squeezing Japan. He began demanding that Japan end its brutal military occupation of China. When Japan refused to comply with his order, FDR ordered a freeze on Japanese bank accounts in the United States.

More important, he imposed complete embargo on U.S. oil shipments to Japan, an act that directly threatened the ability of the Japanese military to continue occupying China.

When Japan entered negotiations with the United States in an attempt to avoid war with the U.S., FDR offered terms that he knew would be highly humiliating to the Japanese and that they would never accept. By this time, the United States had broken Japan’s diplomatic code and also possibly its military code (that part is still being held secret by the U.S. military) and so U.S. officials knew that war was imminent.

That’s why U.S. troops were left in the Philippines and why U.S. ships were left at Pearl Harbor. FDR used them as bait for the Japanese to attack. Roosevelt was crafty enough to order U.S. carriers out of Hawaii so that they would still be available for war later on. But he just as craftily left destroyers and cruisers — and the men operating them at Pearl Harbor — so that the Japanese could be lured into attacking and providing FDR with his casus belli. It’s also why Gen. Douglas Macarthur and 10,000 American troops were left in the Philippines. They too were being used as bait.

More at the link......STATISTS PLEASE READ IT>>>>
FDR’s Pearl Harbor Bait - The Future of Freedom Foundation

How U.S. Economic Warfare Provoked Japan’s Attack on Pearl Harbor
How U.S. Economic Warfare Provoked Japan's Attack on Pearl Harbor - Robert Higgs

An Untenable Position Roosevelt and his subordinates knew they were putting Japan in an untenable position and that the Japanese government might well try to escape the stranglehold by going to war. Having broken the Japanese diplomatic code, the Americans knew, among many other things, what Foreign Minister Teijiro Toyoda had communicated to Ambassador Kichisaburo Nomura on July 31: “Commercial and economic relations between Japan and third countries, led by England and the United States, are gradually becoming so horribly strained that we cannot endure it much longer. Consequently, our Empire, to save its very life, must take measures to secure the raw materials of the South Seas.”[3]

Because American cryptographers had also broken the Japanese naval code, the leaders in Washington knew as well that Japan’s “measures” would include an attack on Pearl Harbor.[4] Yet they withheld this critical information from the commanders in Hawaii, who might have headed off the attack or prepared themselves to defend against it. That Roosevelt and his chieftains did not ring the tocsin makes perfect sense: after all, the impending attack constituted precisely what they had been seeking for a long time. As Stimson confided to his diary after a meeting of the war cabinet on November 25, “The question was how we should maneuver them [the Japanese] into firing the first shot without allowing too much danger to ourselves.”[5] After the attack, Stimson confessed that “my first feeling was of relief ... that a crisis had come in a way which would unite all our people.[6]

Common response to use economic warfare instead of military warfare

Because Japan invaded China, FDR imposed economic sanctions

Why would we continue to send steel and oil to fuel their military expansion?

 

[gipper]

They knew it was coming and helped it happen...

Knowledge of the plan was limited to 13 Roosevelt administration members and chief military officers, and 21 members of Naval Intelligence and related operations. Once it produced the intended result and the attack impended, the Pacific fleet’s modern naval vessels were sent to sea from Pearl Harbor, leaving seven antiquated World War One battleships as decoys. Meanwhile, the Japanese fleet was tracked with radio intercepts from its formation off the Kuril Islands on November 16, and its sailing for Hawaii on November 26; its course was cleared of all shipping with a Vacant Sea order on the 22nd; and Pearl Harbor naval patrols were ordered out of the area on the 25th. Intelligence of the impending attack was withheld from the officers (Admiral Kimmel and General Short) charged with defending Pearl Harbor, who were kept uninformed of the plan and intelligence of the impending attack, and scape-goated afterward. A coverup of the entire operation was maintained through eight official and Congressional investigations between 1941 and 1946, and down to Strom Thurmond’s inquiry in 1995.

Pearl Harbor Facts and Proof

When asserting such charges, real evidence is needed, like a copy of the orders or memos regarding the actions There are none in this blog review..There are no direct citations with visible evidence...Only what someone writing the book claims...In other words, you, the reader,, are just to assume what is said is the truth...

My post was not in reference to anything other than what was apparent at the time. Japan had the biggest navy in the world, by far the most aircraft carriers, an absolute dependence upon imported resources, a history of 'surprise' attacks, and a radical, out-of-control militarist, fascist, right wing government in charge.

From the actual documents I have read on the hearings by Congress on the attack, it does state that they knew there was going to be an attack, they did not know exactly the most important issue of time and place. The US had it's air craft carrier out of the harbor in the event of such an attack and also to do -patrol duty, yet one carrier can't cover much more than a radius of 2-300 miles from the ship...
The idea that the shipping lanes were abandoned is a strategy used when knowing your enemy has a superior force and thus air patrol was the most important way to operate strategically.The commander of Pearl had been alerted and later it was found that he did not stress the use of air patrol to it's furthest extent..

FDR made sure to get the carriers out of Pearl Harbor. The only ships in port that Sunday were WWI era battleships, Which FDR gladly sacrificed for his heinous cause.

Why would FDR sacrifice his battleships when they were the backbone of our Naval defenses? Most of the Admirals were old school naval tacticians. FDR was undersecretary of the Navy in WWI. They loved Battleships and would not willingly give them up

Naval aviation was a new theory pushed primarily by Jimmy Doolittle. The Navy brass begrudgingly built carriers but they were looked at as more support for the surface fleet than offensive weapons

It was not till after Pearl Harbor that Naval doctrine changed to focus on the carriers

Battleships were NOT the backbone of our naval defense....you are duped again by the government historians.

The aircraft carrier was the backbone and the reason why the scumbag FDR had them moved out of Pearl prior to the known attack. The only ships left in port were WWI era battle ships and cruisers. The attack was a total failure for the Japanese, as they sunk ships that meant little. Those damaged were quickly repaired an put back in service. If you knew anything about history, you would know this...but sadly everything you know is wrong.

I am certain you did not know the USS Arizona was commissioned on October 17, 1916. Do you know the date FDR allowed all those sailors to be sacrificed?

 

[gipper]

I see the statist idiots have stained the thread.

The truth is impossible for some to accept. They prefer lies.

no surprise since the two of them that came on and farted in your thread are two paid shills on the governments payroll. Jake is the loverboy of agent rightwinger.always having his head up his ass.

Yep. I wouldn't be surprised if at the end of four years, they are two of Trump's biggest supporters, when they were both vehemently opposed to him at election time.

They're like operation mockingbird on acid.

More transparent than a window.

FDR was a traitor in more ways than one, but his actions leading up to and directly after Pearl Harbor were without question, the acts of a traitor. He should have been hung for what he did. Instead he is lionized as a great man.

This spells it out very clearly and concisely...even the most devoted statist should be able to comprehend...

FDR’s Pearl Harbor Bait
On October 30, 1940, during his campaign for an unprecedented third term as president, Franklin Roosevelt told an audience in Boston,

And while I am talking to you mothers and fathers, I give you one more assurance. I have said this before, but I shall say it again and again and again: Your boys are not going to be sent into any foreign wars. They are going into training to form a force so strong that, by its very existence, it will keep the threat of war far away from our shores. The purpose of our defense is defense.

It was a lie. In actuality, FDR was secretly doing everything he could to embroil the United States into World War II to help Great Britain and France defeat Germany.

Why secretly? Because he knew that the American people, having been fed a bill of goods by President Wilson some 20 years regarding World War I, were overwhelmingly opposed to entering another European war.

If Roosevelt wanted to intervene in the war, why didn’t he just send U.S. troops into battle, just as later presidents would do in places like Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Grenada, Afghanistan, Somalia, and others?

This was during a time when presidents still complied with the constitutional provision that prohibits a president from waging war without first securing a declaration of war from Congress. FDR knew that if he went to Congress and asked for a declaration of war, as Wilson had for intervention into World War I, there was no chance that Congress would have consented to it.

So, FDR did everything he could to induce Germany into attacking the United States, including having U.S. warships escort British ships in war zones and even going so far as to track and report on German submarines in the area. Also, under so-called “lend-lease” agreements, FDR began providing armaments to Great Britain.

That’s when he began squeezing Japan. He began demanding that Japan end its brutal military occupation of China. When Japan refused to comply with his order, FDR ordered a freeze on Japanese bank accounts in the United States.

More important, he imposed complete embargo on U.S. oil shipments to Japan, an act that directly threatened the ability of the Japanese military to continue occupying China.

When Japan entered negotiations with the United States in an attempt to avoid war with the U.S., FDR offered terms that he knew would be highly humiliating to the Japanese and that they would never accept. By this time, the United States had broken Japan’s diplomatic code and also possibly its military code (that part is still being held secret by the U.S. military) and so U.S. officials knew that war was imminent.

That’s why U.S. troops were left in the Philippines and why U.S. ships were left at Pearl Harbor. FDR used them as bait for the Japanese to attack. Roosevelt was crafty enough to order U.S. carriers out of Hawaii so that they would still be available for war later on. But he just as craftily left destroyers and cruisers — and the men operating them at Pearl Harbor — so that the Japanese could be lured into attacking and providing FDR with his casus belli. It’s also why Gen. Douglas Macarthur and 10,000 American troops were left in the Philippines. They too were being used as bait.

More at the link......STATISTS PLEASE READ IT>>>>
FDR’s Pearl Harbor Bait - The Future of Freedom Foundation

How U.S. Economic Warfare Provoked Japan’s Attack on Pearl Harbor
How U.S. Economic Warfare Provoked Japan's Attack on Pearl Harbor - Robert Higgs

An Untenable Position Roosevelt and his subordinates knew they were putting Japan in an untenable position and that the Japanese government might well try to escape the stranglehold by going to war. Having broken the Japanese diplomatic code, the Americans knew, among many other things, what Foreign Minister Teijiro Toyoda had communicated to Ambassador Kichisaburo Nomura on July 31: “Commercial and economic relations between Japan and third countries, led by England and the United States, are gradually becoming so horribly strained that we cannot endure it much longer. Consequently, our Empire, to save its very life, must take measures to secure the raw materials of the South Seas.”[3]

Because American cryptographers had also broken the Japanese naval code, the leaders in Washington knew as well that Japan’s “measures” would include an attack on Pearl Harbor.[4] Yet they withheld this critical information from the commanders in Hawaii, who might have headed off the attack or prepared themselves to defend against it. That Roosevelt and his chieftains did not ring the tocsin makes perfect sense: after all, the impending attack constituted precisely what they had been seeking for a long time. As Stimson confided to his diary after a meeting of the war cabinet on November 25, “The question was how we should maneuver them [the Japanese] into firing the first shot without allowing too much danger to ourselves.”[5] After the attack, Stimson confessed that “my first feeling was of relief ... that a crisis had come in a way which would unite all our people.[6]

Common response to use economic warfare instead of military warfare

Because Japan invaded China, FDR imposed economic sanctions

Why would we continue to send steel and oil to fuel their military expansion?

What a dupe.

Trump takes a call from the PM of Taiwan and you bitch like a little school girl.

FDR works diligently to instigate a war with Japan and you say it is commonplace.

Damn...you get more stupid with each passing day.

Go back to bed and try again tomorrow.

 

[Moonglow]

no surprise since the two of them that came on and farted in your thread are two paid shills on the governments payroll. Jake is the loverboy of agent rightwinger.always having his head up his ass.

Yep. I wouldn't be surprised if at the end of four years, they are two of Trump's biggest supporters, when they were both vehemently opposed to him at election time.

They're like operation mockingbird on acid.

More transparent than a window.

FDR was a traitor in more ways than one, but his actions leading up to and directly after Pearl Harbor were without question, the acts of a traitor. He should have been hung for what he did. Instead he is lionized as a great man.

This spells it out very clearly and concisely...even the most devoted statist should be able to comprehend...

FDR’s Pearl Harbor Bait
On October 30, 1940, during his campaign for an unprecedented third term as president, Franklin Roosevelt told an audience in Boston,

And while I am talking to you mothers and fathers, I give you one more assurance. I have said this before, but I shall say it again and again and again: Your boys are not going to be sent into any foreign wars. They are going into training to form a force so strong that, by its very existence, it will keep the threat of war far away from our shores. The purpose of our defense is defense.

It was a lie. In actuality, FDR was secretly doing everything he could to embroil the United States into World War II to help Great Britain and France defeat Germany.

Why secretly? Because he knew that the American people, having been fed a bill of goods by President Wilson some 20 years regarding World War I, were overwhelmingly opposed to entering another European war.

If Roosevelt wanted to intervene in the war, why didn’t he just send U.S. troops into battle, just as later presidents would do in places like Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Grenada, Afghanistan, Somalia, and others?

This was during a time when presidents still complied with the constitutional provision that prohibits a president from waging war without first securing a declaration of war from Congress. FDR knew that if he went to Congress and asked for a declaration of war, as Wilson had for intervention into World War I, there was no chance that Congress would have consented to it.

So, FDR did everything he could to induce Germany into attacking the United States, including having U.S. warships escort British ships in war zones and even going so far as to track and report on German submarines in the area. Also, under so-called “lend-lease” agreements, FDR began providing armaments to Great Britain.

That’s when he began squeezing Japan. He began demanding that Japan end its brutal military occupation of China. When Japan refused to comply with his order, FDR ordered a freeze on Japanese bank accounts in the United States.

More important, he imposed complete embargo on U.S. oil shipments to Japan, an act that directly threatened the ability of the Japanese military to continue occupying China.

When Japan entered negotiations with the United States in an attempt to avoid war with the U.S., FDR offered terms that he knew would be highly humiliating to the Japanese and that they would never accept. By this time, the United States had broken Japan’s diplomatic code and also possibly its military code (that part is still being held secret by the U.S. military) and so U.S. officials knew that war was imminent.

That’s why U.S. troops were left in the Philippines and why U.S. ships were left at Pearl Harbor. FDR used them as bait for the Japanese to attack. Roosevelt was crafty enough to order U.S. carriers out of Hawaii so that they would still be available for war later on. But he just as craftily left destroyers and cruisers — and the men operating them at Pearl Harbor — so that the Japanese could be lured into attacking and providing FDR with his casus belli. It’s also why Gen. Douglas Macarthur and 10,000 American troops were left in the Philippines. They too were being used as bait.

More at the link......STATISTS PLEASE READ IT>>>>
FDR’s Pearl Harbor Bait - The Future of Freedom Foundation

How U.S. Economic Warfare Provoked Japan’s Attack on Pearl Harbor
How U.S. Economic Warfare Provoked Japan's Attack on Pearl Harbor - Robert Higgs

An Untenable Position Roosevelt and his subordinates knew they were putting Japan in an untenable position and that the Japanese government might well try to escape the stranglehold by going to war. Having broken the Japanese diplomatic code, the Americans knew, among many other things, what Foreign Minister Teijiro Toyoda had communicated to Ambassador Kichisaburo Nomura on July 31: “Commercial and economic relations between Japan and third countries, led by England and the United States, are gradually becoming so horribly strained that we cannot endure it much longer. Consequently, our Empire, to save its very life, must take measures to secure the raw materials of the South Seas.”[3]

Because American cryptographers had also broken the Japanese naval code, the leaders in Washington knew as well that Japan’s “measures” would include an attack on Pearl Harbor.[4] Yet they withheld this critical information from the commanders in Hawaii, who might have headed off the attack or prepared themselves to defend against it. That Roosevelt and his chieftains did not ring the tocsin makes perfect sense: after all, the impending attack constituted precisely what they had been seeking for a long time. As Stimson confided to his diary after a meeting of the war cabinet on November 25, “The question was how we should maneuver them [the Japanese] into firing the first shot without allowing too much danger to ourselves.”[5] After the attack, Stimson confessed that “my first feeling was of relief ... that a crisis had come in a way which would unite all our people.[6]

Common response to use economic warfare instead of military warfare

Because Japan invaded China, FDR imposed economic sanctions

Why would we continue to send steel and oil to fuel their military expansion?

What a dupe.

Trump takes a call from the PM of Taiwan and you bitch like a little school girl.

FDR works diligently to instigate a war with Japan and you say it is commonplace.

Damn...you get more stupid with each passing day.

Go back to bed and try again tomorrow.

Do you always play apologetic cynic for Japanese aggression after WWI?

 

[rightwinger]

When asserting such charges, real evidence is needed, like a copy of the orders or memos regarding the actions There are none in this blog review..There are no direct citations with visible evidence...Only what someone writing the book claims...In other words, you, the reader,, are just to assume what is said is the truth...

My post was not in reference to anything other than what was apparent at the time. Japan had the biggest navy in the world, by far the most aircraft carriers, an absolute dependence upon imported resources, a history of 'surprise' attacks, and a radical, out-of-control militarist, fascist, right wing government in charge.

From the actual documents I have read on the hearings by Congress on the attack, it does state that they knew there was going to be an attack, they did not know exactly the most important issue of time and place. The US had it's air craft carrier out of the harbor in the event of such an attack and also to do -patrol duty, yet one carrier can't cover much more than a radius of 2-300 miles from the ship...
The idea that the shipping lanes were abandoned is a strategy used when knowing your enemy has a superior force and thus air patrol was the most important way to operate strategically.The commander of Pearl had been alerted and later it was found that he did not stress the use of air patrol to it's furthest extent..

FDR made sure to get the carriers out of Pearl Harbor. The only ships in port that Sunday were WWI era battleships, Which FDR gladly sacrificed for his heinous cause.

Why would FDR sacrifice his battleships when they were the backbone of our Naval defenses? Most of the Admirals were old school naval tacticians. FDR was undersecretary of the Navy in WWI. They loved Battleships and would not willingly give them up

Naval aviation was a new theory pushed primarily by Jimmy Doolittle. The Navy brass begrudgingly built carriers but they were looked at as more support for the surface fleet than offensive weapons

It was not till after Pearl Harbor that Naval doctrine changed to focus on the carriers

Battleships were NOT the backbone of our naval defense....you are duped again by the government historians.

The aircraft carrier was the backbone and the reason why the scumbag FDR had them moved out of Pearl prior to the known attack. The only ships left in port were WWI era battle ships and cruisers. The attack was a total failure for the Japanese, as they sunk ships that meant little. Those damaged were quickly repaired an put back in service. If you knew anything about history, you would know this...but sadly everything you know is wrong.

I am certain you did not know the USS Arizona was commissioned on October 17, 1916. Do you know the date FDR allowed all those sailors to be sacrificed?

FDR and all of his key naval advisors were old school navy tacticians. Aircraft carriers were a new technology and doctrine and tactics were still evolving. The Arizona was only 25 years old....far from ancient (Battleship NJ was in service for almost 50 years)

I have visited Pearl Harbor twice and read extensively...managing to skip the conspiracy rags that you frequent

 

[rightwinger]

no surprise since the two of them that came on and farted in your thread are two paid shills on the governments payroll. Jake is the loverboy of agent rightwinger.always having his head up his ass.

Yep. I wouldn't be surprised if at the end of four years, they are two of Trump's biggest supporters, when they were both vehemently opposed to him at election time.

They're like operation mockingbird on acid.

More transparent than a window.

FDR was a traitor in more ways than one, but his actions leading up to and directly after Pearl Harbor were without question, the acts of a traitor. He should have been hung for what he did. Instead he is lionized as a great man.

This spells it out very clearly and concisely...even the most devoted statist should be able to comprehend...

FDR’s Pearl Harbor Bait
On October 30, 1940, during his campaign for an unprecedented third term as president, Franklin Roosevelt told an audience in Boston,

And while I am talking to you mothers and fathers, I give you one more assurance. I have said this before, but I shall say it again and again and again: Your boys are not going to be sent into any foreign wars. They are going into training to form a force so strong that, by its very existence, it will keep the threat of war far away from our shores. The purpose of our defense is defense.

It was a lie. In actuality, FDR was secretly doing everything he could to embroil the United States into World War II to help Great Britain and France defeat Germany.

Why secretly? Because he knew that the American people, having been fed a bill of goods by President Wilson some 20 years regarding World War I, were overwhelmingly opposed to entering another European war.

If Roosevelt wanted to intervene in the war, why didn’t he just send U.S. troops into battle, just as later presidents would do in places like Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Grenada, Afghanistan, Somalia, and others?

This was during a time when presidents still complied with the constitutional provision that prohibits a president from waging war without first securing a declaration of war from Congress. FDR knew that if he went to Congress and asked for a declaration of war, as Wilson had for intervention into World War I, there was no chance that Congress would have consented to it.

So, FDR did everything he could to induce Germany into attacking the United States, including having U.S. warships escort British ships in war zones and even going so far as to track and report on German submarines in the area. Also, under so-called “lend-lease” agreements, FDR began providing armaments to Great Britain.

That’s when he began squeezing Japan. He began demanding that Japan end its brutal military occupation of China. When Japan refused to comply with his order, FDR ordered a freeze on Japanese bank accounts in the United States.

More important, he imposed complete embargo on U.S. oil shipments to Japan, an act that directly threatened the ability of the Japanese military to continue occupying China.

When Japan entered negotiations with the United States in an attempt to avoid war with the U.S., FDR offered terms that he knew would be highly humiliating to the Japanese and that they would never accept. By this time, the United States had broken Japan’s diplomatic code and also possibly its military code (that part is still being held secret by the U.S. military) and so U.S. officials knew that war was imminent.

That’s why U.S. troops were left in the Philippines and why U.S. ships were left at Pearl Harbor. FDR used them as bait for the Japanese to attack. Roosevelt was crafty enough to order U.S. carriers out of Hawaii so that they would still be available for war later on. But he just as craftily left destroyers and cruisers — and the men operating them at Pearl Harbor — so that the Japanese could be lured into attacking and providing FDR with his casus belli. It’s also why Gen. Douglas Macarthur and 10,000 American troops were left in the Philippines. They too were being used as bait.

More at the link......STATISTS PLEASE READ IT>>>>
FDR’s Pearl Harbor Bait - The Future of Freedom Foundation

How U.S. Economic Warfare Provoked Japan’s Attack on Pearl Harbor
How U.S. Economic Warfare Provoked Japan's Attack on Pearl Harbor - Robert Higgs

An Untenable Position Roosevelt and his subordinates knew they were putting Japan in an untenable position and that the Japanese government might well try to escape the stranglehold by going to war. Having broken the Japanese diplomatic code, the Americans knew, among many other things, what Foreign Minister Teijiro Toyoda had communicated to Ambassador Kichisaburo Nomura on July 31: “Commercial and economic relations between Japan and third countries, led by England and the United States, are gradually becoming so horribly strained that we cannot endure it much longer. Consequently, our Empire, to save its very life, must take measures to secure the raw materials of the South Seas.”[3]

Because American cryptographers had also broken the Japanese naval code, the leaders in Washington knew as well that Japan’s “measures” would include an attack on Pearl Harbor.[4] Yet they withheld this critical information from the commanders in Hawaii, who might have headed off the attack or prepared themselves to defend against it. That Roosevelt and his chieftains did not ring the tocsin makes perfect sense: after all, the impending attack constituted precisely what they had been seeking for a long time. As Stimson confided to his diary after a meeting of the war cabinet on November 25, “The question was how we should maneuver them [the Japanese] into firing the first shot without allowing too much danger to ourselves.”[5] After the attack, Stimson confessed that “my first feeling was of relief ... that a crisis had come in a way which would unite all our people.[6]

Common response to use economic warfare instead of military warfare

Because Japan invaded China, FDR imposed economic sanctions

Why would we continue to send steel and oil to fuel their military expansion?

What a dupe.

Trump takes a call from the PM of Taiwan and you bitch like a little school girl.

FDR works diligently to instigate a war with Japan and you say it is commonplace.

Damn...you get more stupid with each passing day.

Go back to bed and try again tomorrow.

Neither Trump not Taiwan had anything to do with Pearl Harbor

Try again

 

[MisterBeale]

Yep. I wouldn't be surprised if at the end of four years, they are two of Trump's biggest supporters, when they were both vehemently opposed to him at election time.

They're like operation mockingbird on acid.

More transparent than a window.

FDR was a traitor in more ways than one, but his actions leading up to and directly after Pearl Harbor were without question, the acts of a traitor. He should have been hung for what he did. Instead he is lionized as a great man.

This spells it out very clearly and concisely...even the most devoted statist should be able to comprehend...

FDR’s Pearl Harbor Bait
On October 30, 1940, during his campaign for an unprecedented third term as president, Franklin Roosevelt told an audience in Boston,

And while I am talking to you mothers and fathers, I give you one more assurance. I have said this before, but I shall say it again and again and again: Your boys are not going to be sent into any foreign wars. They are going into training to form a force so strong that, by its very existence, it will keep the threat of war far away from our shores. The purpose of our defense is defense.

It was a lie. In actuality, FDR was secretly doing everything he could to embroil the United States into World War II to help Great Britain and France defeat Germany.

Why secretly? Because he knew that the American people, having been fed a bill of goods by President Wilson some 20 years regarding World War I, were overwhelmingly opposed to entering another European war.

If Roosevelt wanted to intervene in the war, why didn’t he just send U.S. troops into battle, just as later presidents would do in places like Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Grenada, Afghanistan, Somalia, and others?

This was during a time when presidents still complied with the constitutional provision that prohibits a president from waging war without first securing a declaration of war from Congress. FDR knew that if he went to Congress and asked for a declaration of war, as Wilson had for intervention into World War I, there was no chance that Congress would have consented to it.

So, FDR did everything he could to induce Germany into attacking the United States, including having U.S. warships escort British ships in war zones and even going so far as to track and report on German submarines in the area. Also, under so-called “lend-lease” agreements, FDR began providing armaments to Great Britain.

That’s when he began squeezing Japan. He began demanding that Japan end its brutal military occupation of China. When Japan refused to comply with his order, FDR ordered a freeze on Japanese bank accounts in the United States.

More important, he imposed complete embargo on U.S. oil shipments to Japan, an act that directly threatened the ability of the Japanese military to continue occupying China.

When Japan entered negotiations with the United States in an attempt to avoid war with the U.S., FDR offered terms that he knew would be highly humiliating to the Japanese and that they would never accept. By this time, the United States had broken Japan’s diplomatic code and also possibly its military code (that part is still being held secret by the U.S. military) and so U.S. officials knew that war was imminent.

That’s why U.S. troops were left in the Philippines and why U.S. ships were left at Pearl Harbor. FDR used them as bait for the Japanese to attack. Roosevelt was crafty enough to order U.S. carriers out of Hawaii so that they would still be available for war later on. But he just as craftily left destroyers and cruisers — and the men operating them at Pearl Harbor — so that the Japanese could be lured into attacking and providing FDR with his casus belli. It’s also why Gen. Douglas Macarthur and 10,000 American troops were left in the Philippines. They too were being used as bait.

More at the link......STATISTS PLEASE READ IT>>>>
FDR’s Pearl Harbor Bait - The Future of Freedom Foundation

How U.S. Economic Warfare Provoked Japan’s Attack on Pearl Harbor
How U.S. Economic Warfare Provoked Japan's Attack on Pearl Harbor - Robert Higgs

An Untenable Position Roosevelt and his subordinates knew they were putting Japan in an untenable position and that the Japanese government might well try to escape the stranglehold by going to war. Having broken the Japanese diplomatic code, the Americans knew, among many other things, what Foreign Minister Teijiro Toyoda had communicated to Ambassador Kichisaburo Nomura on July 31: “Commercial and economic relations between Japan and third countries, led by England and the United States, are gradually becoming so horribly strained that we cannot endure it much longer. Consequently, our Empire, to save its very life, must take measures to secure the raw materials of the South Seas.”[3]

Because American cryptographers had also broken the Japanese naval code, the leaders in Washington knew as well that Japan’s “measures” would include an attack on Pearl Harbor.[4] Yet they withheld this critical information from the commanders in Hawaii, who might have headed off the attack or prepared themselves to defend against it. That Roosevelt and his chieftains did not ring the tocsin makes perfect sense: after all, the impending attack constituted precisely what they had been seeking for a long time. As Stimson confided to his diary after a meeting of the war cabinet on November 25, “The question was how we should maneuver them [the Japanese] into firing the first shot without allowing too much danger to ourselves.”[5] After the attack, Stimson confessed that “my first feeling was of relief ... that a crisis had come in a way which would unite all our people.[6]

Common response to use economic warfare instead of military warfare

Because Japan invaded China, FDR imposed economic sanctions

Why would we continue to send steel and oil to fuel their military expansion?

What a dupe.

Trump takes a call from the PM of Taiwan and you bitch like a little school girl.

FDR works diligently to instigate a war with Japan and you say it is commonplace.

Damn...you get more stupid with each passing day.

Go back to bed and try again tomorrow.

Do you always play apologetic cynic for Japanese aggression after WWI?

I think it isn't warranted if and when it can be foreseen drawing the nation into a global conflict, don't you?


If you could foresee a Trump administration pursuing a policy of economic warfare that would lead to a full on nuclear exchange with Russia and China, would you prefer that they avoid an economic war, or pursue it like the Obama and Clinton regimes were doing?

As it stands, it looks like Trump is going to ease tensions. Only time will tell though.

 

[Moonglow]

FDR was a traitor in more ways than one, but his actions leading up to and directly after Pearl Harbor were without question, the acts of a traitor. He should have been hung for what he did. Instead he is lionized as a great man.

This spells it out very clearly and concisely...even the most devoted statist should be able to comprehend...

FDR’s Pearl Harbor Bait
On October 30, 1940, during his campaign for an unprecedented third term as president, Franklin Roosevelt told an audience in Boston,

And while I am talking to you mothers and fathers, I give you one more assurance. I have said this before, but I shall say it again and again and again: Your boys are not going to be sent into any foreign wars. They are going into training to form a force so strong that, by its very existence, it will keep the threat of war far away from our shores. The purpose of our defense is defense.

It was a lie. In actuality, FDR was secretly doing everything he could to embroil the United States into World War II to help Great Britain and France defeat Germany.

Why secretly? Because he knew that the American people, having been fed a bill of goods by President Wilson some 20 years regarding World War I, were overwhelmingly opposed to entering another European war.

If Roosevelt wanted to intervene in the war, why didn’t he just send U.S. troops into battle, just as later presidents would do in places like Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Grenada, Afghanistan, Somalia, and others?

This was during a time when presidents still complied with the constitutional provision that prohibits a president from waging war without first securing a declaration of war from Congress. FDR knew that if he went to Congress and asked for a declaration of war, as Wilson had for intervention into World War I, there was no chance that Congress would have consented to it.

So, FDR did everything he could to induce Germany into attacking the United States, including having U.S. warships escort British ships in war zones and even going so far as to track and report on German submarines in the area. Also, under so-called “lend-lease” agreements, FDR began providing armaments to Great Britain.

That’s when he began squeezing Japan. He began demanding that Japan end its brutal military occupation of China. When Japan refused to comply with his order, FDR ordered a freeze on Japanese bank accounts in the United States.

More important, he imposed complete embargo on U.S. oil shipments to Japan, an act that directly threatened the ability of the Japanese military to continue occupying China.

When Japan entered negotiations with the United States in an attempt to avoid war with the U.S., FDR offered terms that he knew would be highly humiliating to the Japanese and that they would never accept. By this time, the United States had broken Japan’s diplomatic code and also possibly its military code (that part is still being held secret by the U.S. military) and so U.S. officials knew that war was imminent.

That’s why U.S. troops were left in the Philippines and why U.S. ships were left at Pearl Harbor. FDR used them as bait for the Japanese to attack. Roosevelt was crafty enough to order U.S. carriers out of Hawaii so that they would still be available for war later on. But he just as craftily left destroyers and cruisers — and the men operating them at Pearl Harbor — so that the Japanese could be lured into attacking and providing FDR with his casus belli. It’s also why Gen. Douglas Macarthur and 10,000 American troops were left in the Philippines. They too were being used as bait.

More at the link......STATISTS PLEASE READ IT>>>>
FDR’s Pearl Harbor Bait - The Future of Freedom Foundation

How U.S. Economic Warfare Provoked Japan’s Attack on Pearl Harbor
How U.S. Economic Warfare Provoked Japan's Attack on Pearl Harbor - Robert Higgs

An Untenable Position Roosevelt and his subordinates knew they were putting Japan in an untenable position and that the Japanese government might well try to escape the stranglehold by going to war. Having broken the Japanese diplomatic code, the Americans knew, among many other things, what Foreign Minister Teijiro Toyoda had communicated to Ambassador Kichisaburo Nomura on July 31: “Commercial and economic relations between Japan and third countries, led by England and the United States, are gradually becoming so horribly strained that we cannot endure it much longer. Consequently, our Empire, to save its very life, must take measures to secure the raw materials of the South Seas.”[3]

Because American cryptographers had also broken the Japanese naval code, the leaders in Washington knew as well that Japan’s “measures” would include an attack on Pearl Harbor.[4] Yet they withheld this critical information from the commanders in Hawaii, who might have headed off the attack or prepared themselves to defend against it. That Roosevelt and his chieftains did not ring the tocsin makes perfect sense: after all, the impending attack constituted precisely what they had been seeking for a long time. As Stimson confided to his diary after a meeting of the war cabinet on November 25, “The question was how we should maneuver them [the Japanese] into firing the first shot without allowing too much danger to ourselves.”[5] After the attack, Stimson confessed that “my first feeling was of relief ... that a crisis had come in a way which would unite all our people.[6]

Common response to use economic warfare instead of military warfare

Because Japan invaded China, FDR imposed economic sanctions

Why would we continue to send steel and oil to fuel their military expansion?

What a dupe.

Trump takes a call from the PM of Taiwan and you bitch like a little school girl.

FDR works diligently to instigate a war with Japan and you say it is commonplace.

Damn...you get more stupid with each passing day.

Go back to bed and try again tomorrow.

Do you always play apologetic cynic for Japanese aggression after WWI?

I think it is warranted if and when it can be foreseen drawing the nation into a global conflict, don't you?


If you could foresee a Trump administration pursuing a policy of economic warfare that would lead to a full on nuclear exchange with Russia and China, would you prefer that they avoid an economic war, or pursue it like the Obama and Clinton regimes were doing?

As it stands, it looks like Trump is going to ease tensions. Only time will tell though.

I do believe that Reagan, Carter, the Bushes all have played economic warfare too, it would be dishonest not to do so..It is form of protest against what a regime is doing...Doing nothing would be worse..