FBI scheduling interviews with 6 lawmakers who encouraged military members to refuse 'illegal orders'

[kyzr]

Agreed. But none of that is criminal in any way. Evil intent? Definitely. Illegal? Not likely.

Yeah, the 5 are not in legal jeopardy, but Kelly gets called back to active duty, gets court-martialed, loses his pension, that's something for insulting the chain of command.

 

[DonGlock26]

Will Mark Kelly case reach courts? It's 'dead on arrival,' experts say.

Legal and military experts say that Mark Kelly committed "no crime" in the video directed at service members.

www.usatoday.com

Let's see what the investigations find.

 

[DonGlock26]

Whereas here they're reinforcing lawful civil authority. I'm tired of your MAGAt bullshit.

Talk to yourself.

We'll see.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Those lawmakers should make another video in which they explain this:

Doing that now should mitigate any future punishment.

 

[DonGlock26]

Because I wasn't responding to it.

And you should thank anyone anytime they don't repost the dumb shit you say.

You didn't want to discuss "probable cause"?

 

[DonGlock26]

No they cannot, because they have no cause.

Nor have you been able even to imagine any.

Don't do this to yourself. Don't let the fat rapist turn your mind to diarrhea. Resist!

 

[candycorn]

Probably nothing but that'll make your dumbass happy won't it?

Since they committed no crime...yep...I’ll be quite happy that nothing happens to them.

I’ll even be more elated that it will upset you.

 

[schmidlap]

How many service members have been convicted for following unlawful orders?

AI doesn't know of any. Which is why the legal advice those lawmakers gave stinks. They ALL should be tried for practicing law without a license. When I was in basic training, it was a JAG officer who gave us the talk about unlawful orders.

Same for officer training, except on a higher level. I suppose they should have invited the local congressman for Fort Knox.

Patriotic Americans believe that the Uniform Code of Military Justice dos not "stink," and that reminding those who serve that, under the UCMJ, no one is obligated to follow illegal orders is always principled and correct.

Any resulting tantrums and vendettas are unfortunate.

 

[Conservative from Georgia]

Let's see what the investigations find.

Let’s see what the final verdict is. The investigation is certain to recommend court martial.

 

[candycorn]

He has lowered prices I just provided numerous links to target,and Walmart showing that

Egg prices have dropped nearly 90 percent since taking office

Energy prices sunk massively

And yes inflation is still positive, cause he hasn’t caused a depression. Inflation is positive in a normal range because he has a healthy economy unlike the horror caused by your vote during the last admin

No, little boy, the price of gas is pretty much where it was a year ago.

You really have no clue what you’re talking about; do you little boy?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You admitted that their intent was "evil". So what do you think they were trying to do?

They were trying to get military members to interpret the legality of the orders they were given but did not come right out and say so.

 

[candycorn]

I thought you guys said insurrections were against the law?

They are.

Makes you wonder why Trump pardoned those who took part.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Patriotic Americans believe that the Uniform Code of Military Justice dos not "stink," and that reminding those who serve that, under the UCMJ, no one is obligated to follow illegal orders is always principled and correct.

Any resulting tantrums and vendettas are unfortunate.

The UCMJ is fine.

It tells service members that orders are presumed to be lawful and that they would have the burden of proof if they decided to disobey an order on the grounds that they felt is was unlawful.

If the lawmakers had said that, I would applaud them.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

“I was a captain in the United States Navy,” Kelly says before the others reel off their experience.

Here is the text of the rest of the video, which the speakers take turns delivering, sometimes switching off in midsentence. (Note: some repeated phrases have been removed for clarity):

We want to speak directly to members of the military and the intelligence community who take risks each day to keep Americans safe.

We know you are under enormous stress and pressure right now. Americans trust their military, but that trust is at risk.

This administration is pitting our uniformed military and intelligence community professionals against American citizens.

Like us, you all swore an oath to protect and defend this Constitution. Right now, the threats to our Constitution aren’t just coming from abroad, but from right here at home.

Our laws are clear. You can refuse illegal orders. You must refuse illegal orders. No one has to carry out orders that violate the law or our Constitution.

We know this is hard and that it’s a difficult time to be a public servant. But whether you’re serving in the CIA, the Army, our Navy, the Air Force, your vigilance is critical — and know that we have your back.



The above tells service members that they "must" refuse illegal orders.

The investigation is to determine whether the Democrats also gave clear guidelines as to what is and is not illegal, or whether they left it to privates, airmen, and seamen, to guess, thus putting them in legal jeopardy with their advice.

Shouldn't legal advice come from lawyers, not politicians?

Agreed, but again, not criminal or even illegal.

At least you admit he did wrong.

To get that letter of reprimand, instead of "death or such penalty as the court martial may direct," he will likely be asked to turn over emails between himself and his co-conspirators.

You get the death penalty for invoking your military rank for political purposes? That's about the only thing they could get him on, that is why I said he might get a letter of reprimand at worst.

Which may well show that they are all perfectly innocent. Again - this is only he beginning of an investigation, no one has fired up the gas chamber.

Kelly can turn over the emails as part of the plea bargain.

The military doesn't do plea bargains. TYVM. Why would he do so anyway when the worst they can do is rollup the paper and stick him in the eye with it?

If they were on Senate/Congressional email, they were not private, they were public records subject to FOIA. If they were about Senate/Congressional business, but done on non official email servers to dodge FOIA, they are still subject to FOIA and the NRA if they are destroyed.

Why would you not want them turned over? You seem to think they have something to hide. What is it?

I am saying they don't have to do shit without a warrant. In regard to public records, you are right, but don't you think someone has already checked?

 

[DonGlock26]

They were trying to get military members to interpret the legality of the orders they were given but did not come right out and say so.

So, their intent was to make military officers and CIA officers question the authority of their command structure and the President.

 

[DonGlock26]

Agreed, but again, not criminal or even illegal.



You get the death penalty for invoking your military rank for political purposes? That's about the only thing they could get him on, that is why I said he might get a letter of reprimand at worst.



The military doesn't do plea bargains. TYVM. Why would he do so anyway when the worst they can do is rollup the paper and stick him in the eye with it?


I am saying they don't have to do shit without a warrant. In regard to public records, you are right, but don't you think someone has already checked?

Needs more shouting and orange.

 

[DonGlock26]

Let’s see what the final verdict is. The investigation is certain to recommend court martial.

Perhaps. A grand jury may indicate the Seditious Six Democrats.

 

[WorldWatcher]

If they were on Senate/Congressional email, they were not private, they were public records subject to FOIA. If they were about Senate/Congressional business, but done on non official email servers to dodge FOIA, they are still subject to FOIA and the NRA if they are destroyed.

FOIA applies to the Excutive Branch, not the Legislative or Judicial Branches.

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https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R46238

 

[dblack]

Perhaps. A grand jury may indicate the Seditious Six Democrats.

Or they might simply reiterate that soldiers are obligated to disobey illegal orders.

 

[DonGlock26]

Or they might simply reiterate that soldiers are obligated to disobey illegal orders.

So, these six Democrats just decided to remind them.