FBI scheduling interviews with 6 lawmakers who encouraged military members to refuse 'illegal orders'

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

How many service members have been convicted for following unlawful orders?

AI doesn't know of any. Which is why the legal advice those lawmakers gave stinks. They ALL should be tried for practicing law without a license. When I was in basic training, it was a JAG officer who gave us the talk about unlawful orders.

Same for officer training, except on a higher level. I suppose they should have invited the local congressman for Fort Knox.

The local Congressman for Fort Knox is a former West Point graduate who runs an automotive parts company with his family. He was my Congressman before we moved. He is not a lawyer either.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I was thinking more about General Flynn, and how Comey bragged about setting him up by questioning him early without a lawyer present. You remember what happened to General Flynn?

Yes, and that has nothing to do with the current topic unless you want the FBI to violate their rights as well. Why do you think Flynn got off?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Yes.

They can also use grand jury subpoenas.

What grand jury?

 

[Delldude]

What’s going to happen to them?

Public and political embarrassment, possibly death by booga booga.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Yeah, the 5 are not in legal jeopardy, but Kelly gets called back to active duty, gets court-martialed, loses his pension, that's something for insulting the chain of command.

Well, except he didn't do any of that.

What are you court-martialing him for? What is the charge?

Who is the presiding officer at the court martial, the Chief of Naval Operations?

 

[DonGlock26]

What grand jury?

All in good time.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I've already explained the possible crime.

That's up to a grand jury, the FBI, and/or military prosecutors./

well, where is your evidence of that crime? What is the probable cause? You have NOTHING!

 

[M14 Shooter]

Name ******* one **** nut. They said obey legal orders. You ******* NAGA covksuckers can't even separate legal from illegal any more. ******* shit head mouthbreathers. Justice will **** you hard in the next term.

Wow. Triggered your ass.

 

[mudwhistle]

Latrine duty?

In the Navy it's called A Head.

 

[Delldude]

Well, except he didn't do any of that.

What are you court-martialing him for? What is the charge?

Who is the presiding officer at the court martial, the Chief of Naval Operations?

Specific UCMJ has been cited. I don't remember the exact section.

 

[Seymour Flops]

What is the crime according to what you are going to present to a grand jury? You don't have one!

It is being investigated. How many more times do I have to say that?

An article 15 is essentially a misdemeanor. Did you forget that I was a naval officer?

I just didn't believe it. Still don't.

What happens if someone doesn't sign an Article 15 when asked?

Anyway, a guy who murders someone in the military could still be offered a plea bargain. Who told you they couldn't?

There are no plea deals in the military. Again, stated for possible penetration. You watch too much TV.

Let this penetrate, Ensign:

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

All in good time.

The military does not use grand juries than you. Besides, what are the charges because the one you cited has no bearing on what was contained in the video, which was in fact 100% truthful. No grand jury would ever convict on what little the video says or shows. You have nothing and refuse to believe it. We are just wasting time and effort investigating a nothing burger.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Specific UCMJ has been cited. I don't remember the exact section.

I am waiting for someone to quote it. No one has of yet.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

It is being investigated. How many more times do I have to say that?

I just didn't believe it. Still don't.

What happens if someone doesn't sign an Article 15 when asked?

Anyway, a guy who murders someone in the military could still be offered a plea bargain. Who told you they couldn't?



Let this penetrate, Ensign:

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There is no plea bargaining, just like I said. You are talking pretrial agreements, so a court martial never actually takes place. There is no trail for them to bargain with. Just a finding. Have you ever attended a court martial?

 

[DonGlock26]

Where is their intent to overthrow the government by force? It is pathetic that you have nothing and are grasping at straws. You are an embarrassment to conservatives as much as these attempts at lawfare when there is no case, just like the Democrats tried against Trump.

You said their intent was "evil". So what do you think their purpose was?

If you are asking me to speculate, they want to cause resistance to Trump's foreign policy with leaks under the guise of whistleblowing to the media by military/CIA officers. As you said, these people had "evil" intent.

Pathetic ad hominem attacks are underwhelming. A grand jury will most likely decide to indict or not based on what they uncover.

What if a grand jury subpoenas an email account and finds that the six planned to disrupt Trump's foreign policy as I described. Would that be a conspiracy to oppose the gov't of the US to you?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

All in good time.

I won't hold my breath!

 

[Billiejeens]

What’s going to happen to them?

They are Democrats
Nothing.

 

[Marener]

Public and political embarrassment, possibly death by booga booga.

Embarrassing people is not an appropriate function of the DoJ.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You said their intent was "evil". So what do you think their purpose was?

If you are asking me to speculate, they want to cause resistance to Trump's foreign policy with leaks under the guise whistleblowing to the media by military/CIA officers. As you said, these people had "evil" intent.

Pathetic ad hominem attacks are underwhelming. A grand jury will most likely decide to indict or not based on what they uncover.

What if a grand jury subpoenas an email account and finds that the six planned to disrupt Trump's foreign policy as I described. Would that be a conspiracy to oppose the gov't of the US to you?

How are they going to uncover anything? You have no evidence, and in reality, no way of obtaining more until you get a grand jury which would likely be filled with Democrats. How do you think that will work out for you?

More wasted time and taxpayer dollars. Is that what you want?

 

[M14 Shooter]

This administration is pitting our uniformed military and intelligence community professionals against American citizens.

Our laws are clear. You can refuse illegal orders. You must refuse illegal orders. No one has to carry out orders that violate the law or our Constitution

There's the connection.

Violating the Posse Comitatus Act isn't an "illegal order" under military law - the law which defines what orders must not be followed.

Right here, Kelly, et al, are trying to get US servicemen to refuse to accept orders to be deployed domestically and used to support Federal law enforcement.

10 USC 2387
(a) Whoever, with intent to interfere with, impair, or influence the loyalty, morale, or discipline of the military or naval forces of the United States:
(1) advises, counsels, urges, or in any manner causes or attempts to cause insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty by any member of the military or naval forces of the United States; or
(2) distributes or attempts to distribute any written or printed matter which advises, counsels, or urges insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty by any member of the military or naval forces of the United States-
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both,

-You cannot legally refuse an order to be deployed to Portland.
-You cannot legally refuse an order to support ICE personnel enforcing immigration law
-You cannot legally refuse an order to support federal LEOs in the enforcement of federal law.
-If you do, you can be punished under the UCMJ
-If you advise, counsel or urge someone to refuse such orders, you commit a federal felony.


I'm glad someone found the text of the video because I could not.