FBI Agents that raided Mar-a- Lago are under investigation by John Durham.

[Cellblock2429]

According to........................FOX, and their cult.

/——/ If you can’t refute the message then attack the messenger. Prove any of that article is wrong.

 

[Smokin' OP]

Doesn't say anything about a senator or a VP possessing classified stolen documents at their domicile.

No, it doesn't.
So, what's your point?

 

[Smokin' OP]

/——/ If you can’t refute the message then attack the messenger. Prove any of that article is wrong.

Article?
That was your opinion.

 

[Delldude]

No, it doesn't.
So, what's your point?

Why did you waste all that time and bandwidth in an attempt to not make your point?

 

[Smokin' OP]

Why did you waste all that time and bandwidth in an attempt to not make your point?

Post 271
"Mind you, Trump declassified the documents that were in His possession. The issue with Him is was He allowed to keep them".

Post 273
"Tell me how you know this".

 

[BULLDOG]

That's not true, what you refer to was a comment He made......regarding declassification..The media conflated His comment for consumption by useful idiots.

So how about that link that shows he declassified those specific documents while still president?

 

[Delldude]

Post 271
"Mind you, Trump declassified the documents that were in His possession. The issue with Him is was He allowed to keep them".

Post 273
"Tell me how you know this".

Post 282 you failed to prove your point......

Doesn't say anything about a senator or a VP possessing classified stolen documents at their domicile.

You're delusional.
There is a process for declassifying documents and Trump never even started, let alone finish, the process.

You didn't prove anything you claimed.

 

[Delldude]

So how about that link that shows he declassified those specific documents while still president?

It's been all over probably every left wing media site, they published His claims. you telling me they failed to fact check what He said?

 

[Smokin' OP]

Post 282 you failed to prove your point......

There wasn't one, I agreed.
VP's and senators don't have the right to possess, classified information without permission from the affected parties and NARA.

You didn't prove anything you claimed.

Yes, I did,
The same applies to presidents.
They cannot declassify documents all by themselves, without informing anyone.

 

[BULLDOG]

It's been all over probably every left wing media site, they published His claims. you telling me they failed to fact check what He said?

Of course they published his claims, just like they published countless other of his lies. How about that link, you liar?

 

[Dragonlady]

/———/ If you’re proud of Dementia Joe, you do hate America.
A recap of Biden’s two years of destruction:

- Record-High Inflation

- Historic Border Crisis

- Deadly Afghanistan Withdrawal (worst national security crisis in a generation)

- Russian invasions of Ukraine

- Deadly Crime Crisis

-BuckPhiden

- Inflation is high the world over. Biden took action and brought the US inflation rate down in an orderly manner, without putting the economy into a recession, which is a remarkable feat. Not that you'll ackowledge it.

- The History Border Crisis was declared a National Emergency by Donald Trump in February of 2019. Trump created this emergency. Then Trump left the mess to Biden and Republicans immediately blamed Biden for Trump's mess.

- Biden's Afghanistan withdrawal was nowhere nearly as deadly or chaotic as Nixon's withdrawal from Viet Nam, and Nixon didn't get ANYONE out of Viet Nam. Biden managed to get 150,000 Afghans and Americans OUT of Afganistan before the Americans withdrew, which no other leader in world history has managed to achieve.

- You blame BIDEN for Putin's invasion of the Ukraine??? After Trump told Zelensky to "make a deal with Putin" and withheld aid to the Ukraine??? After Trump fractured the NATO alliance and called the rest of your Allies "deadbeats" who were "taking advantage of the USA".

- Deadly Crime Crisis: This "crisis" built throughout the Donald Trump Presidency and Dumb Donald did NOTHING about it. 2020 was the deadliest year in US history in crime related deaths. Who was President in 2020?

What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.

More Americans died of gun-related injuries in 2021 than in any other year on record, according to the latest available statistics from the CDC.

www.pewresearch.org

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/06/14/2021-gun-violence/

Trump left all of these messes for Biden to clean up, and you blame Biden for creating Trump's messes.

You must think the rest of us are as gullible and stupid are you clearly are.

 

[Delldude]

VP's and senators don't have the right to possess, classified information without permission from the affected parties and NARA.

The only way a senator can possess classified info is if it he has been by the president.

They cannot declassify documents all by themselves, without informing anyone.

How do you know this procedure wasn't followed? The made for useful idiots story line was He declassified them going out the door.
Beyond that, what is in the limelight here and now is there is hardly any discipline in the handling of classified materials, so there's a very high chance the procedure you mention isn't totally being done.
He says He declassified them, then if it comes to proving it, it'll be on Him to show.
You notice there was supposed to be a national security damage assessment requested some 6 months or so ago regarding the Mar-A-Lago doc's and nothing has been released? If there was one T not crossed or a period omitted that showed Trump made a mistake, you don't think it would have been leaked by now?

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

- Inflation is high the world over. Biden took action and brought the US inflation rate down in an orderly manner, without putting the economy into a recession, which is a remarkable feat. Not that you'll ackowledge it.

And what exactly did he do?

- The History Border Crisis was declared a National Emergency by Donald Trump in February of 2019. Trump created this emergency. Then Trump left the mess to Biden and Republicans immediately blamed Biden for Trump's mess.

Illegal immigration increased sharply the moment Biden took office.

- Biden's Afghanistan withdrawal was nowhere nearly as deadly or chaotic as Nixon's withdrawal from Viet Nam, and Nixon didn't get ANYONE out of Viet Nam. Biden managed to get 150,000 Afghans and Americans OUT of Afganistan before the Americans withdrew, which no other leader in world history has managed to achieve.

Afghanistan has absolutely nothing to do with Vietnam and the withdrawal was a clusterfuck of epic proportion.

- You blame BIDEN for Putin's invasion of the Ukraine??? After Trump told Zelensky to "make a deal with Putin" and withheld aid to the Ukraine??? After Trump fractured the NATO alliance and called the rest of your Allies "deadbeats" who were "taking advantage of the USA".

He "fractured" the alliance by demanding those countries pay their fair share and stop pawning their responsibilities off on us, which was exactly what was happening? Interesting criticism from the crowd who always whines about the rich not paying their fair share, but then, at the end of the day you're just a partisan hack.

 

[Delldude]

Of course they published his claims, just like they published countless other of his lies. How about that link, you liar?

According to Trump.....He declassified them. There hasn't been anything either way to prove or disprove His claim.

Trump allies say he declassified Mar-a-Lago documents seized by FBI. Experts are skeptical.

Legal experts say presidents have absolute authority to declassify documents, but it's not clear whether Trump ever took action to do so.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Smokin' OP]

The only way a senator can possess classified info is if it he has been by the president.

WTF?
A senator cannot possess classified information...............period.
They can be briefed about it, and review it through a SCIF.

How do you know this procedure wasn't followed?

Because, numbnuts the NARA said so.

The made for useful idiots story line was He declassified them going out the door.

Yeah, that's republican's for ya'.

Beyond that, what is in the limelight here and now is there is hardly any discipline in the handling of classified materials, so there's a very high chance the procedure you mention isn't totally being done.

No, shit.

He says He declassified them, then if it comes to proving it, it'll be on Him to show.

No, there is no way to properly declassify documents without NARA knowing about it.

You notice there was supposed to be a national security damage assessment requested some 6 months or so ago regarding the Mar-A-Lago doc's and nothing has been released?

WTF?
Even if there was an assessment, it's likely classified.

If there was one T not crossed or a period omitted that showed Trump made a mistake, you don't think it would have been leaked by now?

That ship sailed...............A LONG time ago.

 

[Smokin' OP]

According to Trump.....He declassified them. There hasn't been anything either way to prove or disprove His claim.

Trump allies say he declassified Mar-a-Lago documents seized by FBI. Experts are skeptical.

Legal experts say presidents have absolute authority to declassify documents, but it's not clear whether Trump ever took action to do so.

www.nbcnews.com

Former President Donald Trump and his allies say that any sensitive White House documents he brought with him to his Mar-a-Lago estate had been declassified, but some legal and presidential record experts are skeptical of that claim — and say that Trump could be in criminal jeopardy regardless.

While the Justice Department has a long history of prosecuting cases involving the mishandling of classified information, no such case has ever been brought against a former president — the one government official who can declassify information at will.

Not all classified information, there are some that can never be declassified, even by a president.

The president CAN declassify any classified information at will, but it isn't that easy, not like going to buy a cheeseburger, more like getting a bank loan.

People have to approve, if they don't, then ....................NO Cheeseburger.

 

[Delldude]

WTF?
A senator cannot possess classified information...............period.
They can be briefed about it, and review it through a SCIF.

Really?

5 CFR § 1312.23 - Access to classified information.​

§ 1312.23 Access to classified information.
Classified information may be made available to a person only when the possessor of the information establishes that the person has a valid “need to know” and the access is essential to the accomplishment of official government duties. The proposed recipient is eligible to receive classified information only after he/she has been granted a security clearance by the EOP Security Officer. Cover sheets will be used to protect classified documents from inadvertent disclosure while in use. An SF-703 will be used for Top Secret material; an SF-704 for Secret material, and an SF-705 for Confidential material. The cover sheet should be removed prior to placing the document in the files.

 

[Delldude]

Former President Donald Trump and his allies say that any sensitive White House documents he brought with him to his Mar-a-Lago estate had been declassified, but some legal and presidential record experts are skeptical of that claim — and say that Trump could be in criminal jeopardy regardless.

While the Justice Department has a long history of prosecuting cases involving the mishandling of classified information, no such case has ever been brought against a former president — the one government official who can declassify information at will.

Not all classified information, there are some that can never be declassified, even by a president.

The president CAN declassify any classified information at will, but it isn't that easy, not like going to buy a cheeseburger, more like getting a bank loan.

People have to approve, if they don't, then ....................NO Cheeseburger.

As I was saying:

According to Trump.....He declassified them. There hasn't been anything either way to prove or disprove His claim.

 

[Smokin' OP]

Really?

5 CFR § 1312.23 - Access to classified information.​

§ 1312.23 Access to classified information.
Classified information may be made available to a person only when the possessor of the information establishes that the person has a valid “need to know” and the access is essential to the accomplishment of official government duties. The proposed recipient is eligible to receive classified information only after he/she has been granted a security clearance by the EOP Security Officer. Cover sheets will be used to protect classified documents from inadvertent disclosure while in use. An SF-703 will be used for Top Secret material; an SF-704 for Secret material, and an SF-705 for Confidential material. The cover sheet should be removed prior to placing the document in the files.

Doesn't state that you can take these documents out of the government building in which, they were received.
"access is essential to the accomplishment of official government duties'.
NOT physical possession.

 

[Toro]