Fatherless homes are the problem, not guns.....

[gipper]

Nope. If you compelled every person to marry their baby-Momma, you'd probably have more murders.
If you got rid of guns, you'd have less murders.

France, the out of wedlock birth rate is close to 70%. Guess what, they have very few gun murders. Why? NO FUCKING GUNS!

That’s absurd even for YOU. We’ve always had guns, yet fatherless homes is a relatively new development.

BOOM there goes your anti gun establishment loving talking point.

 

[JoeB131]

That’s absurd even for YOU. We’ve always had guns, yet fatherless homes is a relatively new development.

Actually, we haven't "always had guns". In 1940, we had 40 million guns for 140 million people. We had a workable National Firearms Act that kept guns out of the hands of the bad actors.

It wasn't until fairly recently that the gun industry (after hunting fell out of favor as a 'sport') decided to flood our streets with guns and sell them to the most unstable people they could find.

BOOM there goes your anti gun establishment loving talking point.

Only if you live in a fantasy world where guns were common from the very begining. They weren't.
In fact, the reason why the NRA was started to begin with was that a Union General was horrified how few Northerners at the beginning of the war even knew how to handle gun.

 

[Mac-7]

It wasn't until fairly recently that the gun industry (after hunting fell out of favor as a 'sport') decided to flood our streets with guns and sell them to the most unstable people they could find.

So you think ordinary Americans dont want guns for protection, but the evil gun makers force them to buy guns against their will?

 

[Markle]

Uh, Drug gangs aren't really the problem, Guy.

 

[rightwinger]

So you think ordinary Americans dont want guns for protection, but the evil gun makers force them to buy guns against their will?

They convince you that you need guns for your protection

 

[gipper]

Actually, we haven't "always had guns". In 1940, we had 40 million guns for 140 million people. We had a workable National Firearms Act that kept guns out of the hands of the bad actors.

It wasn't until fairly recently that the gun industry (after hunting fell out of favor as a 'sport') decided to flood our streets with guns and sell them to the most unstable people they could find.

Only if you live in a fantasy world where guns were common from the very begining. They weren't.
In fact, the reason why the NRA was started to begin with was that a Union General was horrified how few Northerners at the beginning of the war even knew how to handle gun.

We’ve always had guns but you think because there are more guns today, this is the cause of higher crime rates. That is nonsensical, but typical authoritarian thinking. Take guns from the law abiding to stop crime, based on a lie.

If guns cause crime, why didn’t we have more crime in the past? Why was crime declining as gun ownership was increasing?

Stop with the oligarchy/establishment talking points.

 

[Markle]

Yes, 2016, before Trump fucked everything up.
Now, thanks to Trump Plague, Trump Recession, and Trump Riots, we do have a higher murder rate.
And you are babbling... "Please, please give us more of that!!!"

 

[Markle]

Okay, how do you do that?
Hey, here's a crazy idea. Don't penalize poor people for being married, that would be a good start.

Or reward people for bad behavior!

 

[Mac-7]

They convince you that you need guns for your protection

How do they do that?

What influence does Ruger or Winchester have over what is reported in the lib news media?

I think none

Libs are simply delusional to blame their lack of success when it comes to banning guns on the power of gun manufactures to cast a spell over ordinary citizens

 

[Smokin' OP]

So you think ordinary Americans dont want guns for protection, but the evil gun makers force them to buy guns against their will?

NO, but teabaggers, as gullible as they are, listen to their politicians, FOX and the NRA, telling them they NEED to get this weapon or that weapon for protection.
"They're a comin' for you and your weapons".
"They're banning guns."
A 32 year old lie.

What do the morons do?
Go out and buy something they are convinced that will be banned.

 

[rightwinger]

How do they do that?

What influence does Ruger or Winchester have over what is reported in the lib news media?

I think none

Libs are simply delusional to blame their lack of success when it comes to banning guns on the power of gun manufactures to cast a spell over ordinary citizens

Constant fear mongering
Warnings that mean old Democrats are going to take your guns

 

[2aguy]

Uh, Drug gangs aren't really the problem, Guy.

The idiot who shoots his neighbor because the ball rolled into his yard, or because they asked him to stop shooting his gun at night, or he just got fired from his job. That's the problem.

France doesn't have that problem. Because it's hard for average people to get guns.


Yes, 2016, before Trump fucked everything up.
Now, thanks to Trump Plague, Trump Recession, and Trump Riots, we do have a higher murder rate.
And you are babbling... "Please, please give us more of that!!!"

You are a moron.....drug gangs are almost the entire problem........the random shootings you talk about are tiny in comparison between the shootings of drug gangs and their members shooting at each other over turf and social media insults.....

France is getting the problem as is the rest of Europe....Sweden, the Netherlands, Belgium.......their drug gangs are gunning up to protect their drug turf, and fatherless homes there have now reached the breaking point.

 

[Mac-7]

NO, but teabaggers, as gullible as they are, listen to their politicians, FOX and the NRA, telling them they NEED to get this weapon or that weapon for protection.
"They're a comin' for you and your weapons".
"They're banning guns."
A 32 year old lie.

What do the morons do?
Go out and buy something they are convinced that will be banned.

I think the threat of gun grabbing from the left is real

At the moment all you can do is spew hate toward honest people

But I dont assume that libs never will have the power by hook or crook to take guns away

 

[2aguy]

NO, but teabaggers, as gullible as they are, listen to their politicians, FOX and the NRA, telling them they NEED to get this weapon or that weapon for protection.
"They're a comin' for you and your weapons".
"They're banning guns."
A 32 year old lie.

What do the morons do?
Go out and buy something they are convinced that will be banned.

As they ban guns, and make it harder and harder to own and carry guns.....

The obvious bullshit that are your posts are truly funny.

 

[2aguy]

Actually, we haven't "always had guns". In 1940, we had 40 million guns for 140 million people. We had a workable National Firearms Act that kept guns out of the hands of the bad actors.

It wasn't until fairly recently that the gun industry (after hunting fell out of favor as a 'sport') decided to flood our streets with guns and sell them to the most unstable people they could find.

Only if you live in a fantasy world where guns were common from the very begining. They weren't.
In fact, the reason why the NRA was started to begin with was that a Union General was horrified how few Northerners at the beginning of the war even knew how to handle gun.

The firearms act didn't keep guns out of the hands of criminals, you idiot...they don't obey the law....

And your "theory," can't explain why gun murder and crime went down as more people owned and carried guns....

Over 27 years, from 1993 to the year 2015, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019 (in 2020 that number is 21.52 million)...guess what happened...

New Concealed Carry Report For 2020: 19.48 Million Permit Holders, 820,000 More Than Last Year despite many states shutting down issuing permits because of the Coronavirus - Crime Prevention Research Center


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
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The gun murder and gun suicide rates in the U.S. both remain below their peak levels. There were 6.2 gun murders per 100,000 people in 2020, below the rate of 7.2 recorded in 1974.


What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.

Paper...why crime declined in the 90s

https://pricetheory.uchicago.edu/levitt/Papers/LevittUnderstandingWhyCrime2004.pdf
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Over the past few decades, the number of guns in America has increased massively, so much so that there are now more guns than people in the United States. Yet federal crime statistics show that firearm homicides dropped about 40 percent between 1993 and 2018, from 7 per 100,000 people to 4.3 per 100,000 people (for nonfatal crimes involving guns, the decline was 71 percent). Violent crime, including homicides, did spike during the pandemic, and while the most recent data is incomplete, it's clear that gun-related violence remains far below where it was 30 years ago despite more guns than ever being out there.

When it comes to schools, the 2020–21 academic year, the latest for which full data is available, did see the highest number of school shootingswith casualties this century. There are thankfully too few violent deaths to generate statistically significant conclusions, but the long-term trendsshow no increase in homicides or suicides among students, staff, and teachers.

Do 'more guns lead to more deaths'?
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Bureau of Justice statistics...

The rate of firearm homicide per 100,000 persons age 12 or older declined 41% across the 26-year period of 1993 to 2018, from 8.4 to 5.0
homicides per 100,000 (figure 1). During the more recent 5 years from 2014 to 2018, this rate was between 4.0 and 5.2 homicides per 100,000 persons age 12 or older. A total of 150 persons age 11 or younger were victims of firearm homicide in 2018, resulting in a rate of 0.3 homicides per 100,000 persons in this age group (not shown).
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In 2018, there were 470,800 nonfatal firearm victimizations against persons age 12 or older, down 69% from 1.5 million in 1993 (table 2). Data on nonfatal firearm violence in this report are from
the Bureau of Justice Statistics’ National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) and include rape
or sexual assault, robbery, and aggravated assault victimizations against persons age 12 or older in which the offender had, showed, or used a firearm.

https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/tpfv9318.pdf


murder 1950-2014...

Homicide Rate, 1950–2014


This means that access to guns does not create gun crime........

Why do our democrat party controlled cities have gun crime problems?

What changed in 2015?

The democrat party did 3 things...

1) they began a war on the police that forced officers to stop pro active police work, allowing criminals to run wild.

2) they began to release the most violent and dangerous gun offenders over and over again, not matter how many times they had been arrested for gun crimes

3) they used their brown shirts, blm/antifa to burn, loot and murder for 7 months in primarily black neighborhoods while the democrat party mayors ordered the police to stand down and not stop them......in order to hurt Trump during the election.

 

[Smokin' OP]

I think the threat of gun grabbing from the left is real

Of course you do.

At the moment all you can do is spew hate toward honest people

So, I'm in agreement to take MY guns away, also.
In the 32 years the NRA has spouted their scare tactics and lies, the government NEVER took my guns.
Nor did I purposely go out and buy more.

But I dont assume that libs never will have the power by hook or crook to take guns away

SO....................why the fear mongering?

 

[2aguy]

Of course you do.

So, I'm in agreement to take MY guns away, also.
In the 32 years the NRA has spouted their scare tactics and lies, the government NEVER took my guns.
Nor did I purposely go out and buy more.

SO....................why the fear mongering?

Yes....keep telling us they don't want to take our guns as they tell us, they want to take our guns....

 

[Mac-7]

Of course you do.

So, I'm in agreement to take MY guns away, also.
In the 32 years the NRA has spouted their scare tactics and lies, the government NEVER took my guns.
Nor did I purposely go out and buy more.

SO....................why the fear mongering?

I dont know if you have guns or not

But i know that I have guns that I dont want to lose to libs like you

Btw: How many innocent people have you murdered with the guns you claim to own?

 

[Markle]

They convince you that you need guns for your protection

How hard is it to convince folks that they need to protect themselves when the Democrats are working so hard to destroy our entire law enforcement system?

Even you have to acknowledge that crime, violent crime, is exploding in our country. How should law-abiding citizens protect themselves?

 

[Smokin' OP]

Yes....keep telling us they don't want to take our guns as they tell us, they want to take our guns....

THEY.................Being RWNJ's and the NRA.