Fatherless homes are the problem, not guns.....

[2aguy]

You must be insane or totally stupid to think US gangs were not violent in the 1960s. We have had murderous gangs in the US since the 19th century get real.

Violent, sure.......but not murderous to the extent they are today.......even the Mob conducted violence as part of business....today, the young gang members are shooting each other over social media insults...so yes....the gangs back in the 50s were more controlled and less violent.....gangs today are attacking birthday parties and funerals, and shooting each other over social media posts....

Big fucking difference....

 

[rightwinger]

Our welfare laws also help to create fatherless families

A single mother with children qualifies for full welfare benefits.
If a father is in the home, benefits are reduced

Creates Baby Daddies

 

[2aguy]

You must be insane or totally stupid to think US gangs were not violent in the 1960s. We have had murderous gangs in the US since the 19th century get real.

Yeah.....

In 2018, there were 5.9 deaths by homicide per 100,000 of the population in the United States. This is an increase from 1950, when there were 5.1 deaths by homicide per 100,000 resident population in the United States.

Death rate for homicide in the U.S. 1950-2019 | Statista

In 2019, there were six deaths by homicide per 100,000 of the population in the United States, compared to 5.9 deaths by homicide in the previous year.

www.statista.com

Look at the 70s, 80s and 90s.....how high those rates were.....

Keep in mind........gun ownership started to go up in the 1990s.....and murder started to go down............

And in the 1950s guns were much easier to get.........

 

[2aguy]

Our welfare laws also help to create fatherless families

A single mother with children qualifies for full welfare benefits.
If a father is in the home, benefits are reduced

Creates Baby Daddies

Yep....by design of the democrats.....

Fatherless homes create crime, crime creates poverty.

 

[rightwinger]

Yep....by design of the democrats.....

Fatherless homes create crime, crime creates poverty.

You are putting the cart before the horse

Manufacturing leaving our cities created the problem. Democrats stepped in with housing and food assistance for struggling families. Crime, especially drug related crime, replaced the void of no jobs

Republicans said…..Let em starve

 

[JoeB131]

There is a Mormon church on every other street corner, but their power and influence is diminishing. The only good thing about them is that they still lean towards Constitutionalism and patriotism. That's why I fled Denver, CO (another cesspool) and moved to Utah.

Um, yeah, frankly, you inability to live with people with different values to the point where you move in with cultists you can't trust says a lot about you.

That is what creeped me out when I visited Salt Lake City
The people with a constant grin on their face.

Until you question their faith, then they stop the smiling.

 

[JoeB131]

They are becoming more and more violent......

Again....going into the 1960s our gangs were nowhere near as violent and didn't commit murder as often.....now, with the decades and decades of single parent homes, boys have become more and more violent.

Actually, murder rates were higher in the 1990's than they are now, even with Trump Plague plunging the country into chaos.

 

[2aguy]

Actually, murder rates were higher in the 1990's than they are now, even with Trump Plague plunging the country into chaos.

Going into the 90s the murder rates were higher...then they went down....coincidentally coinciding with increased gun ownership and gun carrying by normal people...you clod.

Over 27 years, from 1993 to the year 2015, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019 (in 2020 that number is 21.52 million)...guess what happened...

New Concealed Carry Report For 2020: 19.48 Million Permit Holders, 820,000 More Than Last Year despite many states shutting down issuing permits because of the Coronavirus - Crime Prevention Research Center


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
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The gun murder and gun suicide rates in the U.S. both remain below their peak levels. There were 6.2 gun murders per 100,000 people in 2020, below the rate of 7.2 recorded in 1974.


What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.


You can't explain any of that.....since more guns did not lead to more gun crime or more gun murder...

 

[2aguy]

You are putting the cart before the horse

Manufacturing leaving our cities created the problem. Democrats stepped in with housing and food assistance for struggling families. Crime, especially drug related crime, replaced the void of no jobs

Republicans said…..Let em starve

No....the democrats hooked the poor, especially young women, with welfare, and have kept them on the hook ever since...

 

[rightwinger]

No....the democrats hooked the poor, especially young women, with welfare, and have kept them on the hook ever since...

Most Americans who are on welfare get off of it within a short time

Generational welfare is common both in Conservative rural areas as well as Liberal urban areas.
People in Appalachia have been on welfare for generations

It is a case of lack of economic opportunities

 

[2aguy]

Most Americans who are on welfare get off of it within a short time

Generational welfare is common both in Conservative rural areas as well as Liberal urban areas.
People in Appalachia have been on welfare for generations

It is a case of lack of economic opportunities

Yeah...except for the ones who don't....

The counties controlled by the democrats....

Now it’s true that the average taxpayer in blue states pays a higher per capita income tax than the average taxpayer in red states. But that’s because those states — particularly Connecticut, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York and California — have more rich people. Don’t the Democrats want the rich paying their fair share?

As for blue states allegedly getting back less, what numbers are they looking at? It is true that red states receive 35.75 percent on average of their budgets from the federal government, while blue states receive 30.80 percent.

But this is because the blue states’ budgets are far larger due to all the bloat and waste.

The 10 states in the best fiscal condition are almost all red states.

The 10 states with the worst numbers in the red are almost all blue states.
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The higher the taxes, the more mismanaged a state is. CNBC examined the infrastructure of every state — roads, airports, water systems and ports — and found that the places with the worst-rated infrastructure are six Democratic states, which also rank among the highest in taxes collected per resident: Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, and New York.
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Kyle Sammin at The Federalist found that if you look at the amount of money the federal government gives to states on a per capita basis instead, blue states get more; $2,124 per resident. Red states receive just $1,879 on average.

Matt Palumbo writing at The Dan Bongino Show found that even if red states receive more in federal welfare, it’s not going to Republicans. Those on public assistance, as well as long-term unemployment, are overwhelmingly Democrats.





Behind the Misleading Statement That Blue States Subsidize Red States

 

[rightwinger]

Yeah...except for the ones who don't....

The counties controlled by the democrats....

Now it’s true that the average taxpayer in blue states pays a higher per capita income tax than the average taxpayer in red states. But that’s because those states — particularly Connecticut, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York and California — have more rich people. Don’t the Democrats want the rich paying their fair share?

As for blue states allegedly getting back less, what numbers are they looking at? It is true that red states receive 35.75 percent on average of their budgets from the federal government, while blue states receive 30.80 percent.

But this is because the blue states’ budgets are far larger due to all the bloat and waste.

The 10 states in the best fiscal condition are almost all red states.

The 10 states with the worst numbers in the red are almost all blue states.
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The higher the taxes, the more mismanaged a state is. CNBC examined the infrastructure of every state — roads, airports, water systems and ports — and found that the places with the worst-rated infrastructure are six Democratic states, which also rank among the highest in taxes collected per resident: Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, and New York.
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Kyle Sammin at The Federalist found that if you look at the amount of money the federal government gives to states on a per capita basis instead, blue states get more; $2,124 per resident. Red states receive just $1,879 on average.

Matt Palumbo writing at The Dan Bongino Show found that even if red states receive more in federal welfare, it’s not going to Republicans. Those on public assistance, as well as long-term unemployment, are overwhelmingly Democrats.





Behind the Misleading Statement That Blue States Subsidize Red States

Welfare is not just an urban issue
Red State America has its own welfare

 

[WinterBorn]

Bill Cosby once went down this road. He told Black fathers they need to be accountable.

And look where he wound up.

Conversely, take someone like Roman Polansky who also drugs and rapes women, underage woman at that, not only can you evade jail you will still have all of the Hollywood democrat elites singing your praises and still working for you.

Either that or democrats are just all racists.

Cosby went to jail for drugging and raping women. That has nothing to do with what he said about black men being accountable.

 

[Votto]

Cosby went to jail for drugging and raping women. That has nothing to do with what he said about black men being accountable.

Sure it does.

As I said, the Democrat favorite Roman Polansky not only drugged someone and had sex with them, she was only 14 yeras old

I started a thread about him and saw democrats come in to justify it and defend him.

Sickening.

And Roman is not in jail. Roman makes movies with democrats like Harrison Ford all the time, and Harrison has no problem working with Polansky.

Conversely, Cosby may as well be dead cuz the Left hates him. Plus, they are all racists anyway.

 

[Unkotare]

you cant get a free ride and nice home in the projects if a father is in the home...thanks democrats

"nice home in the projects"?

 

[expat_panama]

Interesting.

There are a lot of possible reasons for the difference in our data. One is that yours is wrong, another is that mine is wrong, and yet another is the fact that your graph is kids born out of wedlock while mine is kids living w/ a single parent --meaning that kid can be born out of wedlock, and the parents can marry the next day so the numbers get reversed.

No, this thread was started by a hard-core Ammosexual Gun fetishist who lives in mortal fear that people might finally get fed up with the carnage the gun industry has wrought on this country and finally ban gun ownership like every other civilized country has.

So he flops around trying to blame ANYTHING else for gun violence- single parent homes, people actually holding the police accountable, the fact that we just can't lock people up anymore because our prisons are already past capacity. That's when he doesn't find some gun incident from a civilized country from five years ago to "prove" gun control doesn't work. (Even though we have more mass shootings in a single week than these countries have in years.)

You're making a valid point about the bent of this thread. At the same time you seem to sound angry. Now, while I realize that things are not always what they seem to be, there's some interesting things I've been able to uncover on this controversy.

It's info that I'm willing to share but I'm reluctant because I'd never want to say anything that you'd consider antagonistic. Pse let me know what you prefer.

 

[2aguy]

Sure it does.

As I said, the Democrat favorite Roman Polansky not only drugged someone and had sex with them, she was only 14 yeras old

I started a thread about him and saw democrats come in to justify it and defend him.

Sickening.

And Roman is not in jail. Roman makes movies with democrats like Harrison Ford all the time, and Harrison has no problem working with Polansky.

Conversely, Cosby may as well be dead cuz the Left hates him. Plus, they are all racists anyway.

You have a point...had he not spoken out about black men, he would still be raping women today.....it wasn't till he started talking about responsibility that they took him down for his rapes....until then they were more than happy to let him keep doing it.......

 

[Markle]

Um, yeah, frankly, you inability to live with people with different values to the point where you move in with cultists you can't trust says a lot about you.

Until you question their faith, then they stop the smiling.

Major lie. But then, you knew that when you hit the "Post reply" button.

In addition...

Are religious people happier, healthier? Our new global study explores this question

In many countries, actively religious people are more likely than their less-religious peers to describe themselves as very happy.

www.pewresearch.org

 

[JoeB131]

Going into the 90s the murder rates were higher...then they went down....coincidentally coinciding with increased gun ownership and gun carrying by normal people...

Not really. The rate went down because the Baby Boomers started hitting their 30's in the 1990's

Which meant they either calmed down and became more mature, or they were incarcerated.

 

[rightwinger]

Not really. The rate went down because the Baby Boomers started hitting their 30's in the 1990's

Which meant they either calmed down and became more mature, or they were incarcerated.

Actually the 90s were an anomaly with the emergence of Crack Cocaine. Crime skyrocketed