False claims about 40 beheaded babies & 30 Harvard student groups condemning Israel may teach us how the US left, right & liberal process news

[marvin martian]

Never hear of anything like that.. at least not in modern times. I still have a hard time believing. Even if Hamas is that evil (no dispute there) how would that action do anything but hurt their cause? Maybe simply explained by getting a bunch of murderers together and just seeing what they do?

Their "cause" is exterminating the Jewish population of the planet. Read their constitution, it's right there in black and white.

 

[BackAgain]

As many have heard, a bizarre false claim has been made that HAMAS militants beheaded 40 babies in their counter-attacks against ongoing Israeli ethnic cleansing and war crimes this past weekend.

Patently absurd on its face, the truth, while still tragic, is a different matter:

MSN

In keeping with Israeli attacks on innocent Palestinian men, women and children which have left thousands upon thousands dead, it appears that as many as three dozen kibbutz inhabitants were murdered, a few as young as two.

While deeply sad, it pales in comparison to the vast multiples of this number of innocent Palestinians murdered by Israel.

But for the purpose of this thread, the most important aspect of the story from a group perception standpoint is that conservatives accepted at face value that 40 babies had been beheaded despite the absurdity of the claim, while liberals (and even more so the left) were far more (and correctly) skeptical.

Meanwhile, 30 student groups at the famously liberal/left-leaning Harvard have come out with stern condemnations of Israel's long history of behavior far worse and vastly more numerically lopsided than the terrible event noted above:

Cornel West on Harvard students blaming Israel: Largely right but lacking nuance

What these two stories have in common is that liberals, and to an even greater extent the left, appear far more inclined to ask questions which challenge pre-conceived narratives, prejudices, and supposed authorities rather than accepting alleged truths at face value.

Contrary to the conservative claim that liberals and the left are led more by feeling than fact, the reverse appears to be true.

In the case of the false baby beheading claim, conservatives allowed their pre-conceived notions of Muslim barbarism to quash the more logical path of skepticism and deeper research that liberals and the left followed.

And in the case of the endless cries of alleged "Unprovoked attacks on Israel!" by Palestinian groups, the highly educated students of Harvard looked long and hard at the ACTUAL long history of Israeli brutality, terrorism, land theft, ethnic cleansing and widespread civilian murder to conclude that Israel was in fact the longstanding aggressor, and had provided endless provocation over many decades.

Conservatives famously attack liberals and the left - often confusing the two - in an unending barrage of barbs pertaining to their alleged infantile and overly emotional response to events, but the opposite seems to often be the case.

Liberals and the left seem much more inclined to investigate, use logic and reason, and weigh numerous sources before drawing conclusions, whereas conservatives seem more inclined to trust arbitrary - and often untrustworthy - authority figures providing bad information which confirms their prior prejudices.

This is not to say that liberals and the left are immune from this behavior (see the eight year liberal witch hunt against Trump for instance), but rather that they seem less inclined to base their beliefs on feelings and pre-conceived notions than conservatives.

Is this something that is likely to change?

Is the difference the higher levels of education that liberals and the left tend to pursue?

Obviously all three groups have societal value, but this difference is quite glaring, and often disconcerting.

You’re a miserable hack and a transparently slimy propagandist.

You have exactly ZERO basis to claim that the reports of beheaded babies are “false.”

 

[BlindBoo]

The GOP didn’t want the UK and France to surrender, their position was that a war between European countries was none of our business. Both parties were happy to sell aircraft and weapons to the French, British and other warring countries. Right up to Pearl Harbor American public opinion was against the US joining the war against Germany, although Germanys actions like attacking clearly marked American merchant ships and war ships was changing that opinion.

How the GOP Embraced the World—And Then Turned Away

Decades ago, Dwight Eisenhower defeated the isolationist faction of the Republican Party. Now, Trump is toppling his legacy.

www.politico.com

 

[Woodznutz]

Killing babies seems to be a middle eastern thing. Israel wasn't innocent of this either, although God commanded it in certain wars.

1. Isaiah 13:16
   Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.
2. Hosea 10:14
   Therefore shall a tumult arise among thy people, and all thy fortresses shall be spoiled, as Shalman spoiled Betharbel in the day of battle: the mother was dashed in pieces upon her children.
3. Hosea 13:16
   Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.
4. Nahum 3:10
   Yet was she carried away, she went into captivity: her young children also were dashed in pieces at the top of all the streets: and they cast lots for her honourable men, and all her great men were bound in chains.
5. 
   
6. NDN's (descendants of the Amalelites?) in America also killed the children of settlers both in the west and the northeast. Our cavalry also killed the infants of some NDN's as well.

 

[Billo_Really]

No they havn't you fucking ignorant clod. The JEWS have been there for 2000 years, not the palestinians. Read some history you toad.

Oh yes they have!

Before the partition, Jews comprised only one-third of the population of Palestine, which held some 608,000 Jews and 1,237,000 Arabs. Even within the area designated for Israel under the U.N. partition plan, the population consisted of some 500,000 Jews and 330,000 Arabs. How could a country with such a large Arab minority become a Jewish homeland?

 

[Lastamender]

Oh yes they have!

Before the partition, Jews comprised only one-third of the population of Palestine, which held some 608,000 Jews and 1,237,000 Arabs. Even within the area designated for Israel under the U.N. partition plan, the population consisted of some 500,000 Jews and 330,000 Arabs. How could a country with such a large Arab minority become a Jewish homeland?

Because that is what is was designated as with its establishment in the late '40's.

 

[westwall]

Oh yes they have!

Before the partition, Jews comprised only one-third of the population of Palestine, which held some 608,000 Jews and 1,237,000 Arabs. Even within the area designated for Israel under the U.N. partition plan, the population consisted of some 500,000 Jews and 330,000 Arabs. How could a country with such a large Arab minority become a Jewish homeland?

Because that was what the UN declared as a apology for the millions of Jews murdered while the world watched, and did nothing.

 

[Billo_Really]

Yup. Direct consequence of electing terrorists as your leaders and choosing to support and hide them in your homes.

It's none of Israel's god-damn business who they elect.

 

[Rawley]

You’re a miserable hack and a transparently slimy propagandist.

You have exactly ZERO basis to claim that the reports of beheaded babies are “false.”

If you note , she hasn't stuck around to defend her nonsense.

 

[Lastamender]

It's none of Israel's god-damn business who they elect.

It is now, asshole.

 

[Vel]

Well, if they don't belong in Gaza, why won't the Israeli's let them leave

Don't change the subject! This has nothing to do with Judaism.

Listen you dumb terrorist supporting dickhead. You brought up the Jew killing Nazi. He has far more in common with your wish to kill Jews than he does with any position of mine Jew killers are the clan YOU identify with. Now that you’ve outed yourself you can stop trying to deflect. People see clearly that you support the monsters.

 

[Rawley]

It's none of Israel's god-damn business who they elect.

Absolutely correct. But when you elect terrorists and invite terrorists to live in your homes and terrorists to live and operate in your neighborhoods, you have no standing to complain when their terrorist shit blows back in your face. None.

 

[Billo_Really]

LOL no the Jews are you retard.

And some of them converted to Islam.

 

[Billo_Really]

Listen you dumb terrorist supporting dickhead. You brought up the Jew killing Nazi. He has far more in common with your wish to kill Jews than he does with any position of mine Jew killers are the clan YOU identify with. Now that you’ve outed yourself you can stop trying to deflect. People see clearly that you support the monsters.

Israel today, is much like Germany in the 30's.

 

[Billo_Really]

Israel isnt stopping them Egypt is,

What happens when they try to leave by sea?

 

[Edgetho]

OP is just helping out the baby killing rapist murders of Hamas. Way to go! Woo Woo!!

Can you get banned for being a scumbag??

 

[pknopp]

You don't know how to use Google? Saddam was damned proud of his support for terrorists. Saddam Rewards Suicide Bombers' Families

There were no suicide bombers here.

 

[pknopp]

You claimed our military targets civilians and babies for slaughter They don't. Hamas does. You are lying, there is no equivalency

We drop bombs that land on top of innocent men, women and children.

You can pretend we don't know what we are doing if it eases your conscience I suppose.

 

[Edgetho]

Israel today, is much like Germany in the 30's.

Yeah, especially the anti-semitic rhetoric.

Did DailyKooks give you the spambot or do you have to rent it? How many computers and how many personas do you go by?

Because none of your posts are thought out, they're just spam posted in a random manner.

Is that where USMB has gone?? Controlled by AI now?

 

[Lord Long Rod]

Can you get banned for being a scumbag??

All of these pro-Hamas ghouls should not be among civilized people.