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I'm going to start with an old article to debunk a long told lie here.

White On Black Crime vs. Black On White Crime: New Statistics Show More Killings Between Races​

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Interracial homicides have reached levels not seen since president Barack Obama first took office, when rates began a period of steady decline, according to the latest statistics from the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

Most notably, white-on-black killings spiked by 22.5 percent between 2014 and 2015 after years of mostly trending downward. Killings of whites by African Americans increased by 12.2 percent, while black-on-black and white-on-white killings increased only slightly—by just 7.9 percent and 3.5 percent, respectively—between 2014 and 2015, after mostly falling since 2008. Overall, more than twice as many black-on-white homicides occurred compared with white-on-black homicides.

To be sure, homicides in which the offender and victim were of the same race have vastly outnumbered interracial homicides for the past ten years. FBI data show that while 500 black-on-white killings and 229 white-on-black killings were reported in 2015, 2,574 homicides were committed by whites against other whites, and 2,380 by blacks against blacks.


We all have seen the charts and running commentary. But that commentary and those charts are fake news.

It's no small coincidence that white on black killings increased 10.3 percentage points more than black on white killings during the terms of the first black president.

"White-on-black killings spiked by 22.5 percent between 2014 and 2015. Killings of whites by African Americans increased by 12.2 percent."
This is not mentioned in the commentaries. And it's funny how we don't see the, "well there are more tes so the number should be higher" argument coming from the people who use that to excuse how whites commit more crimes. Bet even with that out of a country with over 200 million whites at that time, 500 were killed by blacks. Meanwhile in that same year:
2,574 homicides were committed by whites against other whites
That's 5 whites killed by another white for every white killed by someone black.
So while blacks did kill 2 times more whites than whites killed blacks, look at the numbers.

FBI data show that while 500 black-on-white killings and 229 white-on-black killings were reported in 2015.
500 to 229. Small numbers.
In this same year,

Among single-bias hate crime incidents in 2015, there were 4,216 victims of race/ethnicity/ancestry motivated hate crime.
  • 52.2 percent were victims of crimes motivated by their offenders’ anti-Black or African American bias.
  • 2,200 black victims of hate crimes
  • 18.7 percent were victims of anti-White bias.
  • 788 white victims of hate crimes

In 2015, race was reported for 5,493 known hate crime offenders. Of these offenders:
  • 48.4 percent were White.
  • 2,659 white hate crime offenders
  • 24.3 percent were Black or African American.
  • 1,335 black offenders

So whites were the majority of hate crime offenders in this year and blacks were targeted 3 times more by race for hate crimes than whites. So it's easy to find a chart to race bait. It's even easier to use garbage information from so called studies like the color of crime. But the reality here is that there is no wave of blacks attacking whites and whites have more to fear from another white person.
 
In 2015, race was reported for 5,493 known hate crime offenders. Of these offenders:
  • 48.4 percent were White.
  • 2,659 white hate crime offenders
  • 24.3 percent were Black or African American.
  • 1,335 black offenders

Again, this is nothing to be proud of. Whites are 70% of the population. We only account for 48.4% of murderers.
Blacks are 12% of the population, and make up 24.3% of murderers.

The black community has a murder problem... and whitey didn't do this to you. Part of the reason is because of contempt for law enforcement, where there can be a drive by shooting at a crowded funeral and nobody saw nothin'.
 
Hate crime statistics are very unreliable. The vast majority of convictions are based on guilty pleas, which are often manipulated by (elected) prosecutors to further their own political agendas.

One key take-away here is the fact that Black parents who teach their kids to beware of "white" people who want to kill them - and especially "white" cops - are lying an doing their kids a serious disservice. The better advice would be to stay away from criminals of any color, and watch your back when it comes to their "brothers."
 
Again, this is nothing to be proud of. Whites are 70% of the population. We only account for 48.4% of murderers.
Blacks are 12% of the population, and make up 24.3% of murderers.

The black community has a murder problem... and whitey didn't do this to you. Part of the reason is because of contempt for law enforcement, where there can be a drive by shooting at a crowded funeral and nobody saw nothin'.
Wow, the broken clock gets the right time. Good job.
 
Again, this is nothing to be proud of. Whites are 70% of the population. We only account for 48.4% of murderers.
Blacks are 12% of the population, and make up 24.3% of murderers.

The black community has a murder problem... and whitey didn't do this to you. Part of the reason is because of contempt for law enforcement, where there can be a drive by shooting at a crowded funeral and nobody saw nothin'.
When looking at a mirror, I just see myself as the default. Not a minority member. No one's apt to drive-by and shoot me due to my appearance. That's nice but nothing to be proud of. Never had anything to do with me. I was just born this way.

I find your use of "We" gratuitous. Accounting for any percentage of murderers is obviously "nothing to be proud of." I also don't believe your statistics. Who reports and contrasts numbers of "murderers" by racial identity and to what end? Sources, Joe?

Murderer or not, no one is responsible for being born with lighter or darker skin and one's pigment clearly doesn't cause them to do anything in particular.
 
Again, this is nothing to be proud of. Whites are 70% of the population. We only account for 48.4% of murderers.
Blacks are 12% of the population, and make up 24.3% of murderers.

The black community has a murder problem... and whitey didn't do this to you. Part of the reason is because of contempt for law enforcement, where there can be a drive by shooting at a crowded funeral and nobody saw nothin'.
black males make up only 6% of the population .
 
When looking at a mirror, I just see myself as the default. Not a minority member. No one's apt to drive-by and shoot me due to my appearance. That's nice but nothing to be proud of. Never had anything to do with me. I was just born this way.

I find your use of "We" gratuitous. Accounting for any percentage of murderers is obviously "nothing to be proud of." I also don't believe your statistics. Who reports and contrasts numbers of "murderers" by racial identity and to what end? Sources, Joe?

Murderer or not, no one is responsible for being born with lighter or darker skin and one's pigment clearly doesn't cause them to do anything in particular.

Talk to the OP poster, he's the one who posted the numbers, and sourced them.
 
I'm going to start with an old article to debunk a long told lie here.

White On Black Crime vs. Black On White Crime: New Statistics Show More Killings Between Races​

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Interracial homicides have reached levels not seen since president Barack Obama first took office, when rates began a period of steady decline, according to the latest statistics from the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

Most notably, white-on-black killings spiked by 22.5 percent between 2014 and 2015 after years of mostly trending downward. Killings of whites by African Americans increased by 12.2 percent, while black-on-black and white-on-white killings increased only slightly—by just 7.9 percent and 3.5 percent, respectively—between 2014 and 2015, after mostly falling since 2008. Overall, more than twice as many black-on-white homicides occurred compared with white-on-black homicides.

To be sure, homicides in which the offender and victim were of the same race have vastly outnumbered interracial homicides for the past ten years. FBI data show that while 500 black-on-white killings and 229 white-on-black killings were reported in 2015, 2,574 homicides were committed by whites against other whites, and 2,380 by blacks against blacks.


We all have seen the charts and running commentary. But that commentary and those charts are fake news.

It's no small coincidence that white on black killings increased 10.3 percentage points more than black on white killings during the terms of the first black president.

"White-on-black killings spiked by 22.5 percent between 2014 and 2015. Killings of whites by African Americans increased by 12.2 percent."
This is not mentioned in the commentaries. And it's funny how we don't see the, "well there are more tes so the number should be higher" argument coming from the people who use that to excuse how whites commit more crimes. Bet even with that out of a country with over 200 million whites at that time, 500 were killed by blacks. Meanwhile in that same year:
2,574 homicides were committed by whites against other whites
That's 5 whites killed by another white for every white killed by someone black.
So while blacks did kill 2 times more whites than whites killed blacks, look at the numbers.

FBI data show that while 500 black-on-white killings and 229 white-on-black killings were reported in 2015.
500 to 229. Small numbers.
In this same year,

Among single-bias hate crime incidents in 2015, there were 4,216 victims of race/ethnicity/ancestry motivated hate crime.
  • 52.2 percent were victims of crimes motivated by their offenders’ anti-Black or African American bias.
  • 2,200 black victims of hate crimes
  • 18.7 percent were victims of anti-White bias.
  • 788 white victims of hate crimes

In 2015, race was reported for 5,493 known hate crime offenders. Of these offenders:
  • 48.4 percent were White.
  • 2,659 white hate crime offenders
  • 24.3 percent were Black or African American.
  • 1,335 black offenders

So whites were the majority of hate crime offenders in this year and blacks were targeted 3 times more by race for hate crimes than whites. So it's easy to find a chart to race bait. It's even easier to use garbage information from so called studies like the color of crime. But the reality here is that there is no wave of blacks attacking whites and whites have more to fear from another white person.
You're always a hoot! We agree, FACTS MATTER. Now when do you decide to take them seriously instead of your goofy trolling?

You may have missed it but today's date is August 4, 2023. Not a decade ago.

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Facts Matter​


Except to the OP.

It is a fact that there does exist black on black crime.

It is a fact that there does exist black on white crime.

It is a fact that there does exist white on black crime.

It is a fact that there does exist white on white crime.

For clarity, see almost every posted reply.
 
You're always a hoot! We agree, FACTS MATTER. Now when do you decide to take them seriously instead of your goofy trolling?

You may have missed it but today's date is August 4, 2023. Not a decade ago.

2019%20Murderer%20%20Demobraphics-XL.jpg


2019%20Murder%20Victims%20Demographics-XL.jpg
"Total" there are more "Murder Offenders" than "Murder Victims."
Each murderer apparently only wants to inflict some fraction of a death.
 
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black males make up only 6% of the population .
Doesn't matter. 0.6 percent of the American population are black criminal offenders and 1.09 percent of the American population are white criminal offenders.
 
Hate crime statistics are very unreliable. The vast majority of convictions are based on guilty pleas, which are often manipulated by (elected) prosecutors to further their own political agendas.

One key take-away here is the fact that Black parents who teach their kids to beware of "white" people who want to kill them - and especially "white" cops - are lying an doing their kids a serious disservice. The better advice would be to stay away from criminals of any color, and watch your back when it comes to their "brothers."
Bullshit. And black parent teach our kids things based on the record of white behavior. So stop lying to yourself as if blacks are just teaching this for no reason.
 
The fact here is that white on white crime is just a big as threat on whites as black on black crime is on blacks.
 
Bullshit. And black parent teach our kids things based on the record of white behavior. So stop lying to yourself as if blacks are just teaching this for no reason.
Is English your second language? As always, you make no sense whatsoever.

It looks like you missed out on this too. Shame.

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Some of the whites here seem unable to face the truth. If 500 whites are killed by blacks and 2,500 are killed by whites, who is most likely to kill a white person?
 
I'm going to start with an old article to debunk a long told lie here.

White On Black Crime vs. Black On White Crime: New Statistics Show More Killings Between Races​

View attachment 810753
Interracial homicides have reached levels not seen since president Barack Obama first took office, when rates began a period of steady decline, according to the latest statistics from the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

Most notably, white-on-black killings spiked by 22.5 percent between 2014 and 2015 after years of mostly trending downward. Killings of whites by African Americans increased by 12.2 percent, while black-on-black and white-on-white killings increased only slightly—by just 7.9 percent and 3.5 percent, respectively—between 2014 and 2015, after mostly falling since 2008. Overall, more than twice as many black-on-white homicides occurred compared with white-on-black homicides.

To be sure, homicides in which the offender and victim were of the same race have vastly outnumbered interracial homicides for the past ten years. FBI data show that while 500 black-on-white killings and 229 white-on-black killings were reported in 2015, 2,574 homicides were committed by whites against other whites, and 2,380 by blacks against blacks.


We all have seen the charts and running commentary. But that commentary and those charts are fake news.

It's no small coincidence that white on black killings increased 10.3 percentage points more than black on white killings during the terms of the first black president.

"White-on-black killings spiked by 22.5 percent between 2014 and 2015. Killings of whites by African Americans increased by 12.2 percent."
This is not mentioned in the commentaries. And it's funny how we don't see the, "well there are more tes so the number should be higher" argument coming from the people who use that to excuse how whites commit more crimes. Bet even with that out of a country with over 200 million whites at that time, 500 were killed by blacks. Meanwhile in that same year:
2,574 homicides were committed by whites against other whites
That's 5 whites killed by another white for every white killed by someone black.
So while blacks did kill 2 times more whites than whites killed blacks, look at the numbers.

FBI data show that while 500 black-on-white killings and 229 white-on-black killings were reported in 2015.
500 to 229. Small numbers.
In this same year,

Among single-bias hate crime incidents in 2015, there were 4,216 victims of race/ethnicity/ancestry motivated hate crime.
  • 52.2 percent were victims of crimes motivated by their offenders’ anti-Black or African American bias.
  • 2,200 black victims of hate crimes
  • 18.7 percent were victims of anti-White bias.
  • 788 white victims of hate crimes

In 2015, race was reported for 5,493 known hate crime offenders. Of these offenders:
  • 48.4 percent were White.
  • 2,659 white hate crime offenders
  • 24.3 percent were Black or African American.
  • 1,335 black offenders

So whites were the majority of hate crime offenders in this year and blacks were targeted 3 times more by race for hate crimes than whites. So it's easy to find a chart to race bait. It's even easier to use garbage information from so called studies like the color of crime. But the reality here is that there is no wave of blacks attacking whites and whites have more to fear from another white person.
Facts don't mean a thing to you racist pieces of shit.
 
The fact here is that white on white crime is just a big as threat on whites as black on black crime is on blacks.

Very true. But here's the thing. White people happily throw our criminals in prison and we don't make saints out of them. When a cop offs a local white dirtbag at the local trailer park, we don't insist on crucifying the cops to the point where they stop doing their jobs.

You aren't going to see shit like this about a white criminal.

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We are going to say, "Good Riddance".

When a white criminal commits a crime in front of a crowd, an army of Vengeful Karens will all report him to the police. There will not be a drive-by where 'Nobody saw nuthin'!"

Now, I firmly believe that our criminal justice system has severe inequities in dealing with people of color, from cops who racially profile to inept public defenders to a prison system that is more likely to give harsh sentences based on race or economic status. We need to do a LOT more to alleviate the underlying causes of crime, such as poverty, addiction and mental illness.

But stop pretending that we don't have a huge problem, particularly in the black community. You do, and a LOT of it is self-inflicted due to your own actions.
 

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