FACT, Not 'Conspiracy Theory' - 3rd Georgia County Finds 'MISSING' Votes Durnig Recount

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This thread, once again, has nothing to do with Trump's chances of still winning and EVERYTHING to do with spotlighting the continued election problems we have seen all over the country as well as highlighting one of the main reasons almost every other country besides the US has OUTLAWED mail in ballots.


'A third county in Georgia has found a batch of missing votes during the statewide recount that ends Wednesday night. Walton County reportedly found a scanner that had 284 uncounted ballots. President Trump gained 225 votes, Joe Biden 49 votes and Jo Jorgensen 10 votes, netting Trump a gain of 176 vote on Biden’s statewide lead of just under 13,000.'

At this point, Iraq's 1st election after Dictator Saddam Hussein was removed from power looks FAR SUPERIOR to the US 2020 election.

During that election the voting process consisted of every person / voter showing up to vote in person: 1 person - 1 vote, ensured by each voter having to dip their finger in powerful dye that would not come off for days after the election.

Unless America just WANTS to be seen by the rest of the world as a corrupt 3rd World Banana Republic changes need to be made:

1. Like almost every other nation in the world, the US must outlaw the Mail-In Ballot process.

2. Americans should be required to vote IN PERSON.

3. It should be Federal Law that anyone who wants to vote by Absentee Ballot should have to officially request one, that this should be officially tracked - paired to Voter Registration - instead of millions of blank ballots mailed out.
-- In some cases during this election it was reported that some voters received as many as 18 ballots in the mail.

4. Official Voter Registration Lists should be verified / updated / purged prior to EVERY new election (Mandatory - dead people and people who are no longer residents of states voting in those states, as discovered in this election, is exactly why this must be done, no matter how hard Democrats attempt to fight this. )

5. Signatures must be required on all ballots, and every signature should have to match the signature on the voter registrations!

6. It should be Federal Law that Election Day is Election DAY, that all precincts / results from each state must be turned in at the end of THAT DAY. No more BS Election WEEKS. backdated postmarks, and / or no postmarks at all.
-- Why is it that the precincts / districts with the most reported election fraud / issues only in these critical swing states are the ones with incompetent / slow election workers who can't secure, count , & tally ballots...who it takes several weeks to do what other states / precincts can do in just 1 day?!

7. ANYONE caught perpetrating criminal Election Fraud should be prosecuted as a FELON and be permanently stripped of their right to ever vote in ANY election again, local / state / federal! If you criminally abuse your right to vote and attempt to rob others of their voice (1 person, 1 vote) you should permanently lose 'yours'. Anyone caught committing election fraud should also be barred for life from ever working as an election worker / official, from being a poll worker, supervisor, monitor, etc...

This would be a minimum requirement and a good start, as millions of Americans have completely lost faith in our govt and election process after this...not to mention the world is watching, some shocked & some laughing, at how the US has now regressed into some 3rd World Banana Republic ...
 
This thread, once again, has nothing to do with Trump's chances of still winning and EVERYTHING to do with spotlighting the continued election problems we have seen all over the country as well as highlighting one of the main reasons almost every other country besides the US has OUTLAWED mail in ballots.


'A third county in Georgia has found a batch of missing votes during the statewide recount that ends Wednesday night. Walton County reportedly found a scanner that had 284 uncounted ballots. President Trump gained 225 votes, Joe Biden 49 votes and Jo Jorgensen 10 votes, netting Trump a gain of 176 vote on Biden’s statewide lead of just under 13,000.'

At this point, Iraq's 1st election after Dictator Saddam Hussein was removed from power looks FAR SUPERIOR to the US 2020 election.

During that election the voting process consisted of every person / voter showing up to vote in person: 1 person - 1 vote, ensured by each voter having to dip their finger in powerful dye that would not come off for days after the election.

Unless America just WANTS to be seen by the rest of the world as a corrupt 3rd World Banana Republic changes need to be made:

1. Like almost every other nation in the world, the US must outlaw the Mail-In Ballot process.

2. Americans should be required to vote IN PERSON.

3. It should be Federal Law that anyone who wants to vote by Absentee Ballot should have to officially request one, that this should be officially tracked - paired to Voter Registration - instead of millions of blank ballots mailed out.
-- In some cases during this election it was reported that some voters received as many as 18 ballots in the mail.

4. Official Voter Registration Lists should be verified / updated / purged prior to EVERY new election (Mandatory - dead people and people who are no longer residents of states voting in those states, as discovered in this election, is exactly why this must be done, no matter how hard Democrats attempt to fight this. )

5. Signatures must be required on all ballots, and every signature should have to match the signature on the voter registrations!

6. It should be Federal Law that Election Day is Election DAY, that all precincts / results from each state must be turned in at the end of THAT DAY. No more BS Election WEEKS. backdated postmarks, and / or no postmarks at all.
-- Why is it that the precincts / districts with the most reported election fraud / issues only in these critical swing states are the ones with incompetent / slow election workers who can't secure, count , & tally ballots...who it takes several weeks to do what other states / precincts can do in just 1 day?!

7. ANYONE caught perpetrating criminal Election Fraud should be prosecuted as a FELON and be permanently stripped of their right to ever vote in ANY election again, local / state / federal! If you criminally abuse your right to vote and attempt to rob others of their voice (1 person, 1 vote) you should permanently lose 'yours'. Anyone caught committing election fraud should also be barred for life from ever working as an election worker / official, from being a poll worker, supervisor, monitor, etc...

This would be a minimum requirement and a good start, as millions of Americans have completely lost faith in our govt and election process after this...not to mention the world is watching, some shocked & some laughing, at how the US has now regressed into some 3rd World Banana Republic ...
Millions more have not lost faith. You didn't get a hard on about a 176 vote, net gain for trump did you? Wow. Keep tissues handy, dude.
 
This thread, once again, has nothing to do with Trump's chances of still winning and EVERYTHING to do with spotlighting the continued election problems we have seen all over the country as well as highlighting one of the main reasons almost every other country besides the US has OUTLAWED mail in ballots.


'A third county in Georgia has found a batch of missing votes during the statewide recount that ends Wednesday night. Walton County reportedly found a scanner that had 284 uncounted ballots. President Trump gained 225 votes, Joe Biden 49 votes and Jo Jorgensen 10 votes, netting Trump a gain of 176 vote on Biden’s statewide lead of just under 13,000.'

At this point, Iraq's 1st election after Dictator Saddam Hussein was removed from power looks FAR SUPERIOR to the US 2020 election.

During that election the voting process consisted of every person / voter showing up to vote in person: 1 person - 1 vote, ensured by each voter having to dip their finger in powerful dye that would not come off for days after the election.

Unless America just WANTS to be seen by the rest of the world as a corrupt 3rd World Banana Republic changes need to be made:

1. Like almost every other nation in the world, the US must outlaw the Mail-In Ballot process.

2. Americans should be required to vote IN PERSON.

3. It should be Federal Law that anyone who wants to vote by Absentee Ballot should have to officially request one, that this should be officially tracked - paired to Voter Registration - instead of millions of blank ballots mailed out.
-- In some cases during this election it was reported that some voters received as many as 18 ballots in the mail.

4. Official Voter Registration Lists should be verified / updated / purged prior to EVERY new election (Mandatory - dead people and people who are no longer residents of states voting in those states, as discovered in this election, is exactly why this must be done, no matter how hard Democrats attempt to fight this. )

5. Signatures must be required on all ballots, and every signature should have to match the signature on the voter registrations!

6. It should be Federal Law that Election Day is Election DAY, that all precincts / results from each state must be turned in at the end of THAT DAY. No more BS Election WEEKS. backdated postmarks, and / or no postmarks at all.
-- Why is it that the precincts / districts with the most reported election fraud / issues only in these critical swing states are the ones with incompetent / slow election workers who can't secure, count , & tally ballots...who it takes several weeks to do what other states / precincts can do in just 1 day?!

7. ANYONE caught perpetrating criminal Election Fraud should be prosecuted as a FELON and be permanently stripped of their right to ever vote in ANY election again, local / state / federal! If you criminally abuse your right to vote and attempt to rob others of their voice (1 person, 1 vote) you should permanently lose 'yours'. Anyone caught committing election fraud should also be barred for life from ever working as an election worker / official, from being a poll worker, supervisor, monitor, etc...

This would be a minimum requirement and a good start, as millions of Americans have completely lost faith in our govt and election process after this...not to mention the world is watching, some shocked & some laughing, at how the US has now regressed into some 3rd World Banana Republic ...
"If you can't win the game, change the rules" is not a winning strategy.
 
Millions more have not lost faith. You didn't get a hard on about a 176 vote, net gain for trump did you? Wow. Keep tissues handy, dude.
Again, this is about existing, PREVENTABLE election fraud... incompetence...both whatever you want to call it. This is not about any 1 election or any 1 candidate.

INTENTIONAL Election Fraud:

Why do Democrats require a PICTURE ID for anyone to get into the DNCE Convention but fight tooth and nail against a photo ID being required to VOTE? Why do they have no problem with a photo ID being required to get a driver's license, to cash a check, in some places to get a library card but are completely free voter IDs?

Why do Democrats so rabidly oppose voter registration / roster reviews to remove dead, out-of-state, people who are legally ineligible to vote?

Why did Democrats fight so hard for a voting process so crooked that almost every country in the world has OUTLAWED it?

Why did crooked partisan state officials violate state / federal laws by changing election laws when it clearly states STATE LEGISLATIORS are the only ones who can do so?

Why did partisan election workers violate by refusing to comply with election law that states election monitors must be allowed within 6 feet of ballot counting, not usher them from / prohibit them from entering the rooms, allowing them only as close as 30+ feet, board up windows, create human walls to hide election worker ballot handling, etc....?

The idiots on this board who continue to justify and defend these actions really need to STOP doing so because it causes them to lose all credibility and look like idiots. They sound as stupid / crooked / false as the actual Democrats who are doing these things because they absolutely have zero interest in an actual open, transparent, fair election....

Why does it surprise anyone that the same party who openly declared their voters could vote for anyone they wanted to during the Primaries but that no matter how they voted it would still be the PARTY who chose the final nominee...that this same party would actually do everything legal or not to control the actual election the same way?

To say that does not happen is mentally unstable and completely ignores reality and common sense.
 
This thread, once again, has nothing to do with Trump's chances of still winning and EVERYTHING to do with spotlighting the continued election problems we have seen all over the country as well as highlighting one of the main reasons almost every other country besides the US has OUTLAWED mail in ballots.


'A third county in Georgia has found a batch of missing votes during the statewide recount that ends Wednesday night. Walton County reportedly found a scanner that had 284 uncounted ballots. President Trump gained 225 votes, Joe Biden 49 votes and Jo Jorgensen 10 votes, netting Trump a gain of 176 vote on Biden’s statewide lead of just under 13,000.'

At this point, Iraq's 1st election after Dictator Saddam Hussein was removed from power looks FAR SUPERIOR to the US 2020 election.

During that election the voting process consisted of every person / voter showing up to vote in person: 1 person - 1 vote, ensured by each voter having to dip their finger in powerful dye that would not come off for days after the election.

Unless America just WANTS to be seen by the rest of the world as a corrupt 3rd World Banana Republic changes need to be made:

1. Like almost every other nation in the world, the US must outlaw the Mail-In Ballot process.

2. Americans should be required to vote IN PERSON.

3. It should be Federal Law that anyone who wants to vote by Absentee Ballot should have to officially request one, that this should be officially tracked - paired to Voter Registration - instead of millions of blank ballots mailed out.
-- In some cases during this election it was reported that some voters received as many as 18 ballots in the mail.

4. Official Voter Registration Lists should be verified / updated / purged prior to EVERY new election (Mandatory - dead people and people who are no longer residents of states voting in those states, as discovered in this election, is exactly why this must be done, no matter how hard Democrats attempt to fight this. )

5. Signatures must be required on all ballots, and every signature should have to match the signature on the voter registrations!

6. It should be Federal Law that Election Day is Election DAY, that all precincts / results from each state must be turned in at the end of THAT DAY. No more BS Election WEEKS. backdated postmarks, and / or no postmarks at all.
-- Why is it that the precincts / districts with the most reported election fraud / issues only in these critical swing states are the ones with incompetent / slow election workers who can't secure, count , & tally ballots...who it takes several weeks to do what other states / precincts can do in just 1 day?!

7. ANYONE caught perpetrating criminal Election Fraud should be prosecuted as a FELON and be permanently stripped of their right to ever vote in ANY election again, local / state / federal! If you criminally abuse your right to vote and attempt to rob others of their voice (1 person, 1 vote) you should permanently lose 'yours'. Anyone caught committing election fraud should also be barred for life from ever working as an election worker / official, from being a poll worker, supervisor, monitor, etc...

This would be a minimum requirement and a good start, as millions of Americans have completely lost faith in our govt and election process after this...not to mention the world is watching, some shocked & some laughing, at how the US has now regressed into some 3rd World Banana Republic ...

You lost. Get over it.
 
This thread, once again, has nothing to do with Trump's chances of still winning and EVERYTHING to do with spotlighting the continued election problems we have seen all over the country as well as highlighting one of the main reasons almost every other country besides the US has OUTLAWED mail in ballots.


'A third county in Georgia has found a batch of missing votes during the statewide recount that ends Wednesday night. Walton County reportedly found a scanner that had 284 uncounted ballots. President Trump gained 225 votes, Joe Biden 49 votes and Jo Jorgensen 10 votes, netting Trump a gain of 176 vote on Biden’s statewide lead of just under 13,000.'

At this point, Iraq's 1st election after Dictator Saddam Hussein was removed from power looks FAR SUPERIOR to the US 2020 election.

During that election the voting process consisted of every person / voter showing up to vote in person: 1 person - 1 vote, ensured by each voter having to dip their finger in powerful dye that would not come off for days after the election.

Unless America just WANTS to be seen by the rest of the world as a corrupt 3rd World Banana Republic changes need to be made:

1. Like almost every other nation in the world, the US must outlaw the Mail-In Ballot process.

2. Americans should be required to vote IN PERSON.

3. It should be Federal Law that anyone who wants to vote by Absentee Ballot should have to officially request one, that this should be officially tracked - paired to Voter Registration - instead of millions of blank ballots mailed out.
-- In some cases during this election it was reported that some voters received as many as 18 ballots in the mail.

4. Official Voter Registration Lists should be verified / updated / purged prior to EVERY new election (Mandatory - dead people and people who are no longer residents of states voting in those states, as discovered in this election, is exactly why this must be done, no matter how hard Democrats attempt to fight this. )

5. Signatures must be required on all ballots, and every signature should have to match the signature on the voter registrations!

6. It should be Federal Law that Election Day is Election DAY, that all precincts / results from each state must be turned in at the end of THAT DAY. No more BS Election WEEKS. backdated postmarks, and / or no postmarks at all.
-- Why is it that the precincts / districts with the most reported election fraud / issues only in these critical swing states are the ones with incompetent / slow election workers who can't secure, count , & tally ballots...who it takes several weeks to do what other states / precincts can do in just 1 day?!

7. ANYONE caught perpetrating criminal Election Fraud should be prosecuted as a FELON and be permanently stripped of their right to ever vote in ANY election again, local / state / federal! If you criminally abuse your right to vote and attempt to rob others of their voice (1 person, 1 vote) you should permanently lose 'yours'. Anyone caught committing election fraud should also be barred for life from ever working as an election worker / official, from being a poll worker, supervisor, monitor, etc...

This would be a minimum requirement and a good start, as millions of Americans have completely lost faith in our govt and election process after this...not to mention the world is watching, some shocked & some laughing, at how the US has now regressed into some 3rd World Banana Republic ...
It’s too late. The nation has failed and needs dismantling.
 
You lost. Get over it.
Hey Trump-hating, troll boy incapable of getting past 'I hate Trump, what do you NOT understand about "This thread, once again, has nothing to do with Trump's chances of still winning..." ?
 
This thread, once again, has nothing to do with Trump's chances of still winning and EVERYTHING to do with spotlighting the continued election problems we have seen all over the country as well as highlighting one of the main reasons almost every other country besides the US has OUTLAWED mail in ballots.


'A third county in Georgia has found a batch of missing votes during the statewide recount that ends Wednesday night. Walton County reportedly found a scanner that had 284 uncounted ballots. President Trump gained 225 votes, Joe Biden 49 votes and Jo Jorgensen 10 votes, netting Trump a gain of 176 vote on Biden’s statewide lead of just under 13,000.'

At this point, Iraq's 1st election after Dictator Saddam Hussein was removed from power looks FAR SUPERIOR to the US 2020 election.

During that election the voting process consisted of every person / voter showing up to vote in person: 1 person - 1 vote, ensured by each voter having to dip their finger in powerful dye that would not come off for days after the election.

Unless America just WANTS to be seen by the rest of the world as a corrupt 3rd World Banana Republic changes need to be made:

1. Like almost every other nation in the world, the US must outlaw the Mail-In Ballot process.

2. Americans should be required to vote IN PERSON.

3. It should be Federal Law that anyone who wants to vote by Absentee Ballot should have to officially request one, that this should be officially tracked - paired to Voter Registration - instead of millions of blank ballots mailed out.
-- In some cases during this election it was reported that some voters received as many as 18 ballots in the mail.

4. Official Voter Registration Lists should be verified / updated / purged prior to EVERY new election (Mandatory - dead people and people who are no longer residents of states voting in those states, as discovered in this election, is exactly why this must be done, no matter how hard Democrats attempt to fight this. )

5. Signatures must be required on all ballots, and every signature should have to match the signature on the voter registrations!

6. It should be Federal Law that Election Day is Election DAY, that all precincts / results from each state must be turned in at the end of THAT DAY. No more BS Election WEEKS. backdated postmarks, and / or no postmarks at all.
-- Why is it that the precincts / districts with the most reported election fraud / issues only in these critical swing states are the ones with incompetent / slow election workers who can't secure, count , & tally ballots...who it takes several weeks to do what other states / precincts can do in just 1 day?!

7. ANYONE caught perpetrating criminal Election Fraud should be prosecuted as a FELON and be permanently stripped of their right to ever vote in ANY election again, local / state / federal! If you criminally abuse your right to vote and attempt to rob others of their voice (1 person, 1 vote) you should permanently lose 'yours'. Anyone caught committing election fraud should also be barred for life from ever working as an election worker / official, from being a poll worker, supervisor, monitor, etc...

This would be a minimum requirement and a good start, as millions of Americans have completely lost faith in our govt and election process after this...not to mention the world is watching, some shocked & some laughing, at how the US has now regressed into some 3rd World Banana Republic ...

You lost. Get over it.
"netting Trump a gain of 176 vote on Biden’s statewide lead of just under 13,000."

:lol:


Small victory I guess. Keep crying, Trumpster. You lost.
Dumb responses and most divisive.

As the OP stated, the topic is our failing election system. If you truly believe this was a fair election without fraud as the corporate media proclaims, you haven’t paid attention.

Your guy won so you ignore the fraud and now belittle your opponent. This could have terrible consequences.
 
Dumb responses and most divisive.

As the OP stated, the topic is our failing election system. If you truly believe this was a fair election without fraud as the corporate media proclaims, you haven’t paid attention.

Your guy won so you ignore the fraud and now belittle your opponent. This could have terrible consequences.

176 net vote change. I'd hardly call that a failing election system.
 
This thread, once again, has nothing to do with Trump's chances of still winning and EVERYTHING to do with spotlighting the continued election problems we have seen all over the country as well as highlighting one of the main reasons almost every other country besides the US has OUTLAWED mail in ballots.


'A third county in Georgia has found a batch of missing votes during the statewide recount that ends Wednesday night. Walton County reportedly found a scanner that had 284 uncounted ballots. President Trump gained 225 votes, Joe Biden 49 votes and Jo Jorgensen 10 votes, netting Trump a gain of 176 vote on Biden’s statewide lead of just under 13,000.'

At this point, Iraq's 1st election after Dictator Saddam Hussein was removed from power looks FAR SUPERIOR to the US 2020 election.

During that election the voting process consisted of every person / voter showing up to vote in person: 1 person - 1 vote, ensured by each voter having to dip their finger in powerful dye that would not come off for days after the election.

Unless America just WANTS to be seen by the rest of the world as a corrupt 3rd World Banana Republic changes need to be made:

1. Like almost every other nation in the world, the US must outlaw the Mail-In Ballot process.

2. Americans should be required to vote IN PERSON.

3. It should be Federal Law that anyone who wants to vote by Absentee Ballot should have to officially request one, that this should be officially tracked - paired to Voter Registration - instead of millions of blank ballots mailed out.
-- In some cases during this election it was reported that some voters received as many as 18 ballots in the mail.

4. Official Voter Registration Lists should be verified / updated / purged prior to EVERY new election (Mandatory - dead people and people who are no longer residents of states voting in those states, as discovered in this election, is exactly why this must be done, no matter how hard Democrats attempt to fight this. )

5. Signatures must be required on all ballots, and every signature should have to match the signature on the voter registrations!

6. It should be Federal Law that Election Day is Election DAY, that all precincts / results from each state must be turned in at the end of THAT DAY. No more BS Election WEEKS. backdated postmarks, and / or no postmarks at all.
-- Why is it that the precincts / districts with the most reported election fraud / issues only in these critical swing states are the ones with incompetent / slow election workers who can't secure, count , & tally ballots...who it takes several weeks to do what other states / precincts can do in just 1 day?!

7. ANYONE caught perpetrating criminal Election Fraud should be prosecuted as a FELON and be permanently stripped of their right to ever vote in ANY election again, local / state / federal! If you criminally abuse your right to vote and attempt to rob others of their voice (1 person, 1 vote) you should permanently lose 'yours'. Anyone caught committing election fraud should also be barred for life from ever working as an election worker / official, from being a poll worker, supervisor, monitor, etc...

This would be a minimum requirement and a good start, as millions of Americans have completely lost faith in our govt and election process after this...not to mention the world is watching, some shocked & some laughing, at how the US has now regressed into some 3rd World Banana Republic ...
The Russian Pundit, now there's a Tramp source for ya!
 
Dumb responses and most divisive.

As the OP stated, the topic is our failing election system. If you truly believe this was a fair election without fraud as the corporate media proclaims, you haven’t paid attention.

Your guy won so you ignore the fraud and now belittle your opponent. This could have terrible consequences.

176 net vote change. I'd hardly call that a failing election system.
So you think that’s the extent of the vote fraud. Lol. Do you watch CNN exclusively?
 
Dumb responses and most divisive.

As the OP stated, the topic is our failing election system. If you truly believe this was a fair election without fraud as the corporate media proclaims, you haven’t paid attention.

Your guy won so you ignore the fraud and now belittle your opponent. This could have terrible consequences.

176 net vote change. I'd hardly call that a failing election system.
So you think that’s the extent of the vote fraud. Lol. Do you watch CNN exclusively?

No. But I think the amount of fraud is minimal.

Enlighten us. How much fraud is there?
 
makes you look like a reality-denying retard.

Oh really? Well let's give you a little test.

Who do you think the winner of this election will be? Go on and answer the question. Let's see how in tune you are with reality.
 
Dumb responses and most divisive.

As the OP stated, the topic is our failing election system. If you truly believe this was a fair election without fraud as the corporate media proclaims, you haven’t paid attention.

Your guy won so you ignore the fraud and now belittle your opponent. This could have terrible consequences.

176 net vote change. I'd hardly call that a failing election system.
So you think that’s the extent of the vote fraud. Lol. Do you watch CNN exclusively?

No. But I think the amount of fraud is minimal.

Enlighten us. How much fraud is there?
I don’t know, but I do know it’s more than 176 votes.
 
The Russian Pundit, now there's a Tramp source for ya!

Poor deranged lil' snowflake...the only Russians ever in the equation were the ones from the Russian Intelligence Service from whom Hillary bought the Russian-authored Propaganda she planned to use in a plot against Trump...you know, the plot new FBI Director Wray testified under oath that the FBI knew all about, the one former FBI Deputy Director admitted under oath before Congress the FBI knew about but never acted on...

...or are you claiming you ignorantly know nothing about this live-TV televised news?

:p
 
Dumb responses and most divisive.

As the OP stated, the topic is our failing election system. If you truly believe this was a fair election without fraud as the corporate media proclaims, you haven’t paid attention.

Your guy won so you ignore the fraud and now belittle your opponent. This could have terrible consequences.

176 net vote change. I'd hardly call that a failing election system.
So you think that’s the extent of the vote fraud. Lol. Do you watch CNN exclusively?

No. But I think the amount of fraud is minimal.

Enlighten us. How much fraud is there?
I don’t know, but I do know it’s more than 176 votes.

You realize that we can both be correct, right?

I claim that the amount of fraud is minimal. You claim that it's more than 176. Those aren't mutually exclusive.

I'd hardly call that a failing election system when there is minimal fraud and you can't even tell me how much of it there is.

Are you one of those idealistic "there shouldn't be any fraud" types? Because that's not realistic in my opinion. It's also not realistic to throw out the baby with the bath water.
 

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