Fact Checking Debate #2

[Coyote]

13 times Trump was dead wrong at the debate, and 2 times Clinton was

The debate was unreal...
​

Best statement thus far

Summarized from article:
Clinton's falsehoods
1. “[Trump] never apologizes for anything to anyone.” — Clinton

Clinton's misleading claims
1. “33,000 e-mails deleted.…That was after getting a subpoena. That was not before. That was after.” — Trump

“It’s just not true…They were personal emails and not official.” — Clinton


Trump’s falsehoods

1. “In the days after the first debate, you sent out a series of tweets from 3:00 A.M. to 5:00 to check out a sex tape.” — Cooper

“No, it wasn’t ‘check out a sex tape.’ It was ‘check out this person you built up to be this girl scout.’" — Trump

2. “Her client, she represented got him off and she is seen laughing—on two occasions— laughing at the girl who was raped.” — Trump

3. "You owe the president an apology because as you know very well, your campaign [via] Sidney Blumenthal ... got this started with your campaign manager and they were on television two weeks ago saying exactly that.” — Trump

4. “It has not been debunked. I was against the war in Iraq.” — Trump

5. “She is raising everybody's taxes massively.” – Trump

6. "They saw the bombs all over the apartment of the people that wounded many, many people. They will never be the same. Muslims have to report the problems when they see them.” — Trump

7. “We have no growth in this country,” – Trump

8. “A lot has to do with the fact that our taxes are so high. About the highest in the world.” — Trump

9. “We have the slowest growth since 1929.” – Trump

10. “But she wants to go to single payer, which means the government basically rules everything. Hillary Clinton has been after this for years.” — Trump

11. “Look at what she did in Libya with Qaddafi. Qaddafi is out. It's a mess. And by the way, ISIS has a good chunk of their oil.” – Trump

12. "It’s Iran who she made strong and Kerry and Obama made into a powerful nation and a very rich nation, very quickly, very, very quickly,” – Trump

13. “ICE just endorsed me.” — Trump

Trump's misleading claims

1. “Russia is killing ISIS and Iran is killing ISIS and they have lined up because of weak foreign policy.” – Trump

“Russia hasn't paid any attention to ISIS. They are interested in keeping Assad in power.” – Clinton

2. “[Clinton] and Obama whether you like it or not, the way they got out of Iraq, the vacuum they left, that's why ISIS formed in the first place. [ISIS] started from the little area and now they are in 32 different nations. Congratulations. Great job.” — Trump

3. “These are radical Islamic terrorists and [Hillary Clinton] won't even mention the word.” — Trump

4. “Last year, we had an almost $800 billion trade deficit” — Trump

5. “[Obamacare is] very bad, very bad health insurance, far too expensive, and not only expensive for the person that has it, unbelievably expensive for our country. It’s going to be one of the biggest line items very shortly.” -- Trump, referring to Obamacare

6. “I’ll have more than $100 million invested [in my campaign]. [I’m] Pretty much self-funding mine.” — Trump


More from Factcheck.org: FactChecking the Second Presidential Debate

• Clinton exaggerated when she said the U.S. was now “energy independent.” The country imported 11 percent of total energy consumed in 2015.
• Trump falsely said he never tweeted “check out a sex tape” in the wee hours of the morning a few days after the first presidential debate. He did.
• Trump told Clinton “after getting the subpoena” to turn over documents related to the Benghazi investigation “you delete 33,000 emails.” A contractor managing Clinton’s server deleted the emails. There is no evidence Clinton knew when they were deleted.
• Trump also said Clinton’s emails were “acid washed,” calling it a “very expensive process.” Neither statement is true. The emails were deleted using a free software program that does not involve the use of chemicals.
• Clinton said there is “no evidence that anyone hacked the server I was using.” That is true, but the FBI said it was “possible” that her email system was hacked because she sent and received emails in “the territory of sophisticated adversaries.”
• Clinton said intelligence officials said this week that Russians were behind political hacking attacks in the U.S. Trump said, “She doesn’t know if Russia is doing the hacking.” Clinton is closer to the truth.
• Clinton claimed she was holding up Abraham Lincoln as an example of leadership when she defended “back room” deals. Turns out, she did.
• Trump distorted the facts about a rape case that Clinton was involved in as a legal aid lawyer in 1975, wrongly accusing Clinton of “laughing at” the victim.
• Both candidates distorted the other’s tax plan. Trump said Clinton was “raising everybody’s taxes massively,” when two analyses concluded almost all of the tax increases she proposes would fall on the top 10 percent. And Clinton claimed Trump’s plan “would end up raising taxes on middle class families.” Some families would see increased taxes, but on average middle-income taxpayers would get a tax cut.
• Trump wrongly claimed that Clinton’s 2008 campaign manager said on TV that the campaign had started the false rumor that Obama was not born in the U.S.
• Trump wrongly claimed that Clinton wanted to implement a government-run, “single-payer,” health care system, like Canada’s, and he cherry-picked high proposed premium increases in the Affordable Care Act exchanges.
• Clinton went too far in saying an ACA provision to allow young adults to stay on their parents plans until age 26 was “something that didn’t happen before.” At least 31 states had similar provisions before the law was enacted.
• Trump said that “Ambassador [Chris] Stevens sent 600 requests for help” before he was killed in an attack on the U.S. diplomatic post in Benghazi, Libya, in September 2012. But not all 600 were requests for security upgrades, nor were they all from Stevens.
• The candidates disagreed over Clinton’s role in a U.S. response to Syrian President Bashar Assad’s use of chemical weapons. Both had a point. Clinton was in office when President Obama said Assad’s use of chemical weapons would cross a “red line for us,” but she was gone when Obama failed to back up his threat.
• Clinton claimed that since the Great Recession the gains have all gone to the top, but a 2016 economic report said that in 2014 and 2015 “the incomes of bottom 99% families have finally started recovering in earnest.”
• Trump again claimed without evidence that “many people saw the bombs all over the apartment” of the San Bernardino shooters.
  
  
  
  

 

[Norman]

The fact checkers are in the tank for Hillary... get someone independent or GTFO.

Also those falsehoods are really really dumb to even call that. For example, he WAS against Iraq war.

 

[Coyote]

The fact checkers are in the tank for Hillary... get someone independent or GTFO.

Also those falsehoods are really really dumb to even call that. For example, he WAS against Iraq war.

That seems to be the standard reply when things come up looking bad for The Donald: it's rigged, it's biased, wah wah wah.

 

[SYTFE]

The fact checkers are in the tank for Hillary... get someone independent or GTFO.

Also those falsehoods are really really dumb to even call that. For example, he WAS against Iraq war.

No, he wasn't. Stop lying.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Also those falsehoods are really really dumb to even call that. For example, he WAS against Iraq war.

And Trump has 6 pack abs no matter what the liberal video cameras tell you

 

[Norman]

The fact checkers are in the tank for Hillary... get someone independent or GTFO.

Also those falsehoods are really really dumb to even call that. For example, he WAS against Iraq war.

That seems to be the standard reply when things come up looking bad for The Donald: it's rigged, it's biased, wah wah wah.

It is biased...

However, whether the claims are true or not is a other matter...

 

[Coyote]

Granted Politico is more biased. Politico ignored a number of Hillary's misleading statements that were brought out in Factcheck.org, which is a site I like better.

 

[Coyote]

The fact checkers are in the tank for Hillary... get someone independent or GTFO.

Also those falsehoods are really really dumb to even call that. For example, he WAS against Iraq war.

That seems to be the standard reply when things come up looking bad for The Donald: it's rigged, it's biased, wah wah wah.

It is biased...

However, whether the claims are true or not is a other matter...

Do you have another source that factchecked that you are more comfortable with? Feel free to add it

 

[bripat9643]

13 times Trump was dead wrong at the debate, and 2 times Clinton was

The debate was unreal...
​

Best statement thus far

Summarized from article:
Clinton's falsehoods
1. “[Trump] never apologizes for anything to anyone.” — Clinton

Clinton's misleading claims
1. “33,000 e-mails deleted.…That was after getting a subpoena. That was not before. That was after.” — Trump

“It’s just not true…They were personal emails and not official.” — Clinton


Trump’s falsehoods

1. “In the days after the first debate, you sent out a series of tweets from 3:00 A.M. to 5:00 to check out a sex tape.” — Cooper

“No, it wasn’t ‘check out a sex tape.’ It was ‘check out this person you built up to be this girl scout.’" — Trump

2. “Her client, she represented got him off and she is seen laughing—on two occasions— laughing at the girl who was raped.” — Trump

3. "You owe the president an apology because as you know very well, your campaign [via] Sidney Blumenthal ... got this started with your campaign manager and they were on television two weeks ago saying exactly that.” — Trump

4. “It has not been debunked. I was against the war in Iraq.” — Trump

5. “She is raising everybody's taxes massively.” – Trump

6. "They saw the bombs all over the apartment of the people that wounded many, many people. They will never be the same. Muslims have to report the problems when they see them.” — Trump

7. “We have no growth in this country,” – Trump

8. “A lot has to do with the fact that our taxes are so high. About the highest in the world.” — Trump

9. “We have the slowest growth since 1929.” – Trump

10. “But she wants to go to single payer, which means the government basically rules everything. Hillary Clinton has been after this for years.” — Trump

11. “Look at what she did in Libya with Qaddafi. Qaddafi is out. It's a mess. And by the way, ISIS has a good chunk of their oil.” – Trump

12. "It’s Iran who she made strong and Kerry and Obama made into a powerful nation and a very rich nation, very quickly, very, very quickly,” – Trump

13. “ICE just endorsed me.” — Trump

Trump's misleading claims

1. “Russia is killing ISIS and Iran is killing ISIS and they have lined up because of weak foreign policy.” – Trump

“Russia hasn't paid any attention to ISIS. They are interested in keeping Assad in power.” – Clinton

2. “[Clinton] and Obama whether you like it or not, the way they got out of Iraq, the vacuum they left, that's why ISIS formed in the first place. [ISIS] started from the little area and now they are in 32 different nations. Congratulations. Great job.” — Trump

3. “These are radical Islamic terrorists and [Hillary Clinton] won't even mention the word.” — Trump

4. “Last year, we had an almost $800 billion trade deficit” — Trump

5. “[Obamacare is] very bad, very bad health insurance, far too expensive, and not only expensive for the person that has it, unbelievably expensive for our country. It’s going to be one of the biggest line items very shortly.” -- Trump, referring to Obamacare

6. “I’ll have more than $100 million invested [in my campaign]. [I’m] Pretty much self-funding mine.” — Trump


More from Factcheck.org: FactChecking the Second Presidential Debate

• 
  
  
  • Clinton exaggerated when she said the U.S. was now “energy independent.” The country imported 11 percent of total energy consumed in 2015.
  • Trump falsely said he never tweeted “check out a sex tape” in the wee hours of the morning a few days after the first presidential debate. He did.
  • Trump told Clinton “after getting the subpoena” to turn over documents related to the Benghazi investigation “you delete 33,000 emails.” A contractor managing Clinton’s server deleted the emails. There is no evidence Clinton knew when they were deleted.
  • Trump also said Clinton’s emails were “acid washed,” calling it a “very expensive process.” Neither statement is true. The emails were deleted using a free software program that does not involve the use of chemicals.
  • Clinton said there is “no evidence that anyone hacked the server I was using.” That is true, but the FBI said it was “possible” that her email system was hacked because she sent and received emails in “the territory of sophisticated adversaries.”
  • Clinton said intelligence officials said this week that Russians were behind political hacking attacks in the U.S. Trump said, “She doesn’t know if Russia is doing the hacking.” Clinton is closer to the truth.
  • Clinton claimed she was holding up Abraham Lincoln as an example of leadership when she defended “back room” deals. Turns out, she did.
  • Trump distorted the facts about a rape case that Clinton was involved in as a legal aid lawyer in 1975, wrongly accusing Clinton of “laughing at” the victim.
  • Both candidates distorted the other’s tax plan. Trump said Clinton was “raising everybody’s taxes massively,” when two analyses concluded almost all of the tax increases she proposes would fall on the top 10 percent. And Clinton claimed Trump’s plan “would end up raising taxes on middle class families.” Some families would see increased taxes, but on average middle-income taxpayers would get a tax cut.
  • Trump wrongly claimed that Clinton’s 2008 campaign manager said on TV that the campaign had started the false rumor that Obama was not born in the U.S.
  • Trump wrongly claimed that Clinton wanted to implement a government-run, “single-payer,” health care system, like Canada’s, and he cherry-picked high proposed premium increases in the Affordable Care Act exchanges.
  • Clinton went too far in saying an ACA provision to allow young adults to stay on their parents plans until age 26 was “something that didn’t happen before.” At least 31 states had similar provisions before the law was enacted.
  • Trump said that “Ambassador [Chris] Stevens sent 600 requests for help” before he was killed in an attack on the U.S. diplomatic post in Benghazi, Libya, in September 2012. But not all 600 were requests for security upgrades, nor were they all from Stevens.
  • The candidates disagreed over Clinton’s role in a U.S. response to Syrian President Bashar Assad’s use of chemical weapons. Both had a point. Clinton was in office when President Obama said Assad’s use of chemical weapons would cross a “red line for us,” but she was gone when Obama failed to back up his threat.
  • Clinton claimed that since the Great Recession the gains have all gone to the top, but a 2016 economic report said that in 2014 and 2015 “the incomes of bottom 99% families have finally started recovering in earnest.”
  • Trump again claimed without evidence that “many people saw the bombs all over the apartment” of the San Bernardino shooters.
    
    
    
    

Factcheck.org is a propaganda organ. It doesn't check facts. It covers for Hillary.

 

[bripat9643]

The fact checkers are in the tank for Hillary... get someone independent or GTFO.

Also those falsehoods are really really dumb to even call that. For example, he WAS against Iraq war.

That seems to be the standard reply when things come up looking bad for The Donald: it's rigged, it's biased, wah wah wah.

It is biased...

However, whether the claims are true or not is a other matter...

Do you have another source that factchecked that you are more comfortable with? Feel free to add it

I do my own fact checking since I know the facts.

 

[Coyote]

13 times Trump was dead wrong at the debate, and 2 times Clinton was

The debate was unreal...
​

Best statement thus far

Summarized from article:
Clinton's falsehoods
1. “[Trump] never apologizes for anything to anyone.” — Clinton

Clinton's misleading claims
1. “33,000 e-mails deleted.…That was after getting a subpoena. That was not before. That was after.” — Trump

“It’s just not true…They were personal emails and not official.” — Clinton


Trump’s falsehoods

1. “In the days after the first debate, you sent out a series of tweets from 3:00 A.M. to 5:00 to check out a sex tape.” — Cooper

“No, it wasn’t ‘check out a sex tape.’ It was ‘check out this person you built up to be this girl scout.’" — Trump

2. “Her client, she represented got him off and she is seen laughing—on two occasions— laughing at the girl who was raped.” — Trump

3. "You owe the president an apology because as you know very well, your campaign [via] Sidney Blumenthal ... got this started with your campaign manager and they were on television two weeks ago saying exactly that.” — Trump

4. “It has not been debunked. I was against the war in Iraq.” — Trump

5. “She is raising everybody's taxes massively.” – Trump

6. "They saw the bombs all over the apartment of the people that wounded many, many people. They will never be the same. Muslims have to report the problems when they see them.” — Trump

7. “We have no growth in this country,” – Trump

8. “A lot has to do with the fact that our taxes are so high. About the highest in the world.” — Trump

9. “We have the slowest growth since 1929.” – Trump

10. “But she wants to go to single payer, which means the government basically rules everything. Hillary Clinton has been after this for years.” — Trump

11. “Look at what she did in Libya with Qaddafi. Qaddafi is out. It's a mess. And by the way, ISIS has a good chunk of their oil.” – Trump

12. "It’s Iran who she made strong and Kerry and Obama made into a powerful nation and a very rich nation, very quickly, very, very quickly,” – Trump

13. “ICE just endorsed me.” — Trump

Trump's misleading claims

1. “Russia is killing ISIS and Iran is killing ISIS and they have lined up because of weak foreign policy.” – Trump

“Russia hasn't paid any attention to ISIS. They are interested in keeping Assad in power.” – Clinton

2. “[Clinton] and Obama whether you like it or not, the way they got out of Iraq, the vacuum they left, that's why ISIS formed in the first place. [ISIS] started from the little area and now they are in 32 different nations. Congratulations. Great job.” — Trump

3. “These are radical Islamic terrorists and [Hillary Clinton] won't even mention the word.” — Trump

4. “Last year, we had an almost $800 billion trade deficit” — Trump

5. “[Obamacare is] very bad, very bad health insurance, far too expensive, and not only expensive for the person that has it, unbelievably expensive for our country. It’s going to be one of the biggest line items very shortly.” -- Trump, referring to Obamacare

6. “I’ll have more than $100 million invested [in my campaign]. [I’m] Pretty much self-funding mine.” — Trump


More from Factcheck.org: FactChecking the Second Presidential Debate

• 
  
  
  • Clinton exaggerated when she said the U.S. was now “energy independent.” The country imported 11 percent of total energy consumed in 2015.
  • Trump falsely said he never tweeted “check out a sex tape” in the wee hours of the morning a few days after the first presidential debate. He did.
  • Trump told Clinton “after getting the subpoena” to turn over documents related to the Benghazi investigation “you delete 33,000 emails.” A contractor managing Clinton’s server deleted the emails. There is no evidence Clinton knew when they were deleted.
  • Trump also said Clinton’s emails were “acid washed,” calling it a “very expensive process.” Neither statement is true. The emails were deleted using a free software program that does not involve the use of chemicals.
  • Clinton said there is “no evidence that anyone hacked the server I was using.” That is true, but the FBI said it was “possible” that her email system was hacked because she sent and received emails in “the territory of sophisticated adversaries.”
  • Clinton said intelligence officials said this week that Russians were behind political hacking attacks in the U.S. Trump said, “She doesn’t know if Russia is doing the hacking.” Clinton is closer to the truth.
  • Clinton claimed she was holding up Abraham Lincoln as an example of leadership when she defended “back room” deals. Turns out, she did.
  • Trump distorted the facts about a rape case that Clinton was involved in as a legal aid lawyer in 1975, wrongly accusing Clinton of “laughing at” the victim.
  • Both candidates distorted the other’s tax plan. Trump said Clinton was “raising everybody’s taxes massively,” when two analyses concluded almost all of the tax increases she proposes would fall on the top 10 percent. And Clinton claimed Trump’s plan “would end up raising taxes on middle class families.” Some families would see increased taxes, but on average middle-income taxpayers would get a tax cut.
  • Trump wrongly claimed that Clinton’s 2008 campaign manager said on TV that the campaign had started the false rumor that Obama was not born in the U.S.
  • Trump wrongly claimed that Clinton wanted to implement a government-run, “single-payer,” health care system, like Canada’s, and he cherry-picked high proposed premium increases in the Affordable Care Act exchanges.
  • Clinton went too far in saying an ACA provision to allow young adults to stay on their parents plans until age 26 was “something that didn’t happen before.” At least 31 states had similar provisions before the law was enacted.
  • Trump said that “Ambassador [Chris] Stevens sent 600 requests for help” before he was killed in an attack on the U.S. diplomatic post in Benghazi, Libya, in September 2012. But not all 600 were requests for security upgrades, nor were they all from Stevens.
  • The candidates disagreed over Clinton’s role in a U.S. response to Syrian President Bashar Assad’s use of chemical weapons. Both had a point. Clinton was in office when President Obama said Assad’s use of chemical weapons would cross a “red line for us,” but she was gone when Obama failed to back up his threat.
  • Clinton claimed that since the Great Recession the gains have all gone to the top, but a 2016 economic report said that in 2014 and 2015 “the incomes of bottom 99% families have finally started recovering in earnest.”
  • Trump again claimed without evidence that “many people saw the bombs all over the apartment” of the San Bernardino shooters.
    
    
    
    

Factcheck.org is a propaganda organ. It doesn't check facts. It covers for Hillary.

I knew someone was going to claim it was biased - always happens when your guy comes off bad.

Note - they didn't cover for Hillary either.

Do you have a better factcheck source?

 

[ClosedCaption]

Ask any of these glue sniffers who they go to to check facts and watch you laugh your ass off after they call you names for 37 posts and never give you a name

 

[Norman]

13 times Trump was dead wrong at the debate, and 2 times Clinton was

The debate was unreal...
​

Best statement thus far

Summarized from article:
Clinton's falsehoods
1. “[Trump] never apologizes for anything to anyone.” — Clinton

Clinton's misleading claims
1. “33,000 e-mails deleted.…That was after getting a subpoena. That was not before. That was after.” — Trump

“It’s just not true…They were personal emails and not official.” — Clinton


Trump’s falsehoods

1. “In the days after the first debate, you sent out a series of tweets from 3:00 A.M. to 5:00 to check out a sex tape.” — Cooper

“No, it wasn’t ‘check out a sex tape.’ It was ‘check out this person you built up to be this girl scout.’" — Trump

2. “Her client, she represented got him off and she is seen laughing—on two occasions— laughing at the girl who was raped.” — Trump

3. "You owe the president an apology because as you know very well, your campaign [via] Sidney Blumenthal ... got this started with your campaign manager and they were on television two weeks ago saying exactly that.” — Trump

4. “It has not been debunked. I was against the war in Iraq.” — Trump

5. “She is raising everybody's taxes massively.” – Trump

6. "They saw the bombs all over the apartment of the people that wounded many, many people. They will never be the same. Muslims have to report the problems when they see them.” — Trump

7. “We have no growth in this country,” – Trump

8. “A lot has to do with the fact that our taxes are so high. About the highest in the world.” — Trump

9. “We have the slowest growth since 1929.” – Trump

10. “But she wants to go to single payer, which means the government basically rules everything. Hillary Clinton has been after this for years.” — Trump

11. “Look at what she did in Libya with Qaddafi. Qaddafi is out. It's a mess. And by the way, ISIS has a good chunk of their oil.” – Trump

12. "It’s Iran who she made strong and Kerry and Obama made into a powerful nation and a very rich nation, very quickly, very, very quickly,” – Trump

13. “ICE just endorsed me.” — Trump

Trump's misleading claims

1. “Russia is killing ISIS and Iran is killing ISIS and they have lined up because of weak foreign policy.” – Trump

“Russia hasn't paid any attention to ISIS. They are interested in keeping Assad in power.” – Clinton

2. “[Clinton] and Obama whether you like it or not, the way they got out of Iraq, the vacuum they left, that's why ISIS formed in the first place. [ISIS] started from the little area and now they are in 32 different nations. Congratulations. Great job.” — Trump

3. “These are radical Islamic terrorists and [Hillary Clinton] won't even mention the word.” — Trump

4. “Last year, we had an almost $800 billion trade deficit” — Trump

5. “[Obamacare is] very bad, very bad health insurance, far too expensive, and not only expensive for the person that has it, unbelievably expensive for our country. It’s going to be one of the biggest line items very shortly.” -- Trump, referring to Obamacare

6. “I’ll have more than $100 million invested [in my campaign]. [I’m] Pretty much self-funding mine.” — Trump


More from Factcheck.org: FactChecking the Second Presidential Debate

• 
  
  
  • Clinton exaggerated when she said the U.S. was now “energy independent.” The country imported 11 percent of total energy consumed in 2015.
  • Trump falsely said he never tweeted “check out a sex tape” in the wee hours of the morning a few days after the first presidential debate. He did.
  • Trump told Clinton “after getting the subpoena” to turn over documents related to the Benghazi investigation “you delete 33,000 emails.” A contractor managing Clinton’s server deleted the emails. There is no evidence Clinton knew when they were deleted.
  • Trump also said Clinton’s emails were “acid washed,” calling it a “very expensive process.” Neither statement is true. The emails were deleted using a free software program that does not involve the use of chemicals.
  • Clinton said there is “no evidence that anyone hacked the server I was using.” That is true, but the FBI said it was “possible” that her email system was hacked because she sent and received emails in “the territory of sophisticated adversaries.”
  • Clinton said intelligence officials said this week that Russians were behind political hacking attacks in the U.S. Trump said, “She doesn’t know if Russia is doing the hacking.” Clinton is closer to the truth.
  • Clinton claimed she was holding up Abraham Lincoln as an example of leadership when she defended “back room” deals. Turns out, she did.
  • Trump distorted the facts about a rape case that Clinton was involved in as a legal aid lawyer in 1975, wrongly accusing Clinton of “laughing at” the victim.
  • Both candidates distorted the other’s tax plan. Trump said Clinton was “raising everybody’s taxes massively,” when two analyses concluded almost all of the tax increases she proposes would fall on the top 10 percent. And Clinton claimed Trump’s plan “would end up raising taxes on middle class families.” Some families would see increased taxes, but on average middle-income taxpayers would get a tax cut.
  • Trump wrongly claimed that Clinton’s 2008 campaign manager said on TV that the campaign had started the false rumor that Obama was not born in the U.S.
  • Trump wrongly claimed that Clinton wanted to implement a government-run, “single-payer,” health care system, like Canada’s, and he cherry-picked high proposed premium increases in the Affordable Care Act exchanges.
  • Clinton went too far in saying an ACA provision to allow young adults to stay on their parents plans until age 26 was “something that didn’t happen before.” At least 31 states had similar provisions before the law was enacted.
  • Trump said that “Ambassador [Chris] Stevens sent 600 requests for help” before he was killed in an attack on the U.S. diplomatic post in Benghazi, Libya, in September 2012. But not all 600 were requests for security upgrades, nor were they all from Stevens.
  • The candidates disagreed over Clinton’s role in a U.S. response to Syrian President Bashar Assad’s use of chemical weapons. Both had a point. Clinton was in office when President Obama said Assad’s use of chemical weapons would cross a “red line for us,” but she was gone when Obama failed to back up his threat.
  • Clinton claimed that since the Great Recession the gains have all gone to the top, but a 2016 economic report said that in 2014 and 2015 “the incomes of bottom 99% families have finally started recovering in earnest.”
  • Trump again claimed without evidence that “many people saw the bombs all over the apartment” of the San Bernardino shooters.
    
    
    
    

Factcheck.org is a propaganda organ. It doesn't check facts. It covers for Hillary.

I knew someone was going to claim it was biased - always happens when your guy comes off bad.

Note - they didn't cover for Hillary either.

Do you have a better factcheck source?

I know one much better fact checker- myself.

Half of those claims are dare I say - retarded. Too bad if they fly over your comprehension. I suppose you will just have to join the CNN's drones.

 

[Coyote]

13 times Trump was dead wrong at the debate, and 2 times Clinton was

The debate was unreal...
​

Best statement thus far

Summarized from article:
Clinton's falsehoods
1. “[Trump] never apologizes for anything to anyone.” — Clinton

Clinton's misleading claims
1. “33,000 e-mails deleted.…That was after getting a subpoena. That was not before. That was after.” — Trump

“It’s just not true…They were personal emails and not official.” — Clinton


Trump’s falsehoods

1. “In the days after the first debate, you sent out a series of tweets from 3:00 A.M. to 5:00 to check out a sex tape.” — Cooper

“No, it wasn’t ‘check out a sex tape.’ It was ‘check out this person you built up to be this girl scout.’" — Trump

2. “Her client, she represented got him off and she is seen laughing—on two occasions— laughing at the girl who was raped.” — Trump

3. "You owe the president an apology because as you know very well, your campaign [via] Sidney Blumenthal ... got this started with your campaign manager and they were on television two weeks ago saying exactly that.” — Trump

4. “It has not been debunked. I was against the war in Iraq.” — Trump

5. “She is raising everybody's taxes massively.” – Trump

6. "They saw the bombs all over the apartment of the people that wounded many, many people. They will never be the same. Muslims have to report the problems when they see them.” — Trump

7. “We have no growth in this country,” – Trump

8. “A lot has to do with the fact that our taxes are so high. About the highest in the world.” — Trump

9. “We have the slowest growth since 1929.” – Trump

10. “But she wants to go to single payer, which means the government basically rules everything. Hillary Clinton has been after this for years.” — Trump

11. “Look at what she did in Libya with Qaddafi. Qaddafi is out. It's a mess. And by the way, ISIS has a good chunk of their oil.” – Trump

12. "It’s Iran who she made strong and Kerry and Obama made into a powerful nation and a very rich nation, very quickly, very, very quickly,” – Trump

13. “ICE just endorsed me.” — Trump

Trump's misleading claims

1. “Russia is killing ISIS and Iran is killing ISIS and they have lined up because of weak foreign policy.” – Trump

“Russia hasn't paid any attention to ISIS. They are interested in keeping Assad in power.” – Clinton

2. “[Clinton] and Obama whether you like it or not, the way they got out of Iraq, the vacuum they left, that's why ISIS formed in the first place. [ISIS] started from the little area and now they are in 32 different nations. Congratulations. Great job.” — Trump

3. “These are radical Islamic terrorists and [Hillary Clinton] won't even mention the word.” — Trump

4. “Last year, we had an almost $800 billion trade deficit” — Trump

5. “[Obamacare is] very bad, very bad health insurance, far too expensive, and not only expensive for the person that has it, unbelievably expensive for our country. It’s going to be one of the biggest line items very shortly.” -- Trump, referring to Obamacare

6. “I’ll have more than $100 million invested [in my campaign]. [I’m] Pretty much self-funding mine.” — Trump


More from Factcheck.org: FactChecking the Second Presidential Debate

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  • Clinton exaggerated when she said the U.S. was now “energy independent.” The country imported 11 percent of total energy consumed in 2015.
  • Trump falsely said he never tweeted “check out a sex tape” in the wee hours of the morning a few days after the first presidential debate. He did.
  • Trump told Clinton “after getting the subpoena” to turn over documents related to the Benghazi investigation “you delete 33,000 emails.” A contractor managing Clinton’s server deleted the emails. There is no evidence Clinton knew when they were deleted.
  • Trump also said Clinton’s emails were “acid washed,” calling it a “very expensive process.” Neither statement is true. The emails were deleted using a free software program that does not involve the use of chemicals.
  • Clinton said there is “no evidence that anyone hacked the server I was using.” That is true, but the FBI said it was “possible” that her email system was hacked because she sent and received emails in “the territory of sophisticated adversaries.”
  • Clinton said intelligence officials said this week that Russians were behind political hacking attacks in the U.S. Trump said, “She doesn’t know if Russia is doing the hacking.” Clinton is closer to the truth.
  • Clinton claimed she was holding up Abraham Lincoln as an example of leadership when she defended “back room” deals. Turns out, she did.
  • Trump distorted the facts about a rape case that Clinton was involved in as a legal aid lawyer in 1975, wrongly accusing Clinton of “laughing at” the victim.
  • Both candidates distorted the other’s tax plan. Trump said Clinton was “raising everybody’s taxes massively,” when two analyses concluded almost all of the tax increases she proposes would fall on the top 10 percent. And Clinton claimed Trump’s plan “would end up raising taxes on middle class families.” Some families would see increased taxes, but on average middle-income taxpayers would get a tax cut.
  • Trump wrongly claimed that Clinton’s 2008 campaign manager said on TV that the campaign had started the false rumor that Obama was not born in the U.S.
  • Trump wrongly claimed that Clinton wanted to implement a government-run, “single-payer,” health care system, like Canada’s, and he cherry-picked high proposed premium increases in the Affordable Care Act exchanges.
  • Clinton went too far in saying an ACA provision to allow young adults to stay on their parents plans until age 26 was “something that didn’t happen before.” At least 31 states had similar provisions before the law was enacted.
  • Trump said that “Ambassador [Chris] Stevens sent 600 requests for help” before he was killed in an attack on the U.S. diplomatic post in Benghazi, Libya, in September 2012. But not all 600 were requests for security upgrades, nor were they all from Stevens.
  • The candidates disagreed over Clinton’s role in a U.S. response to Syrian President Bashar Assad’s use of chemical weapons. Both had a point. Clinton was in office when President Obama said Assad’s use of chemical weapons would cross a “red line for us,” but she was gone when Obama failed to back up his threat.
  • Clinton claimed that since the Great Recession the gains have all gone to the top, but a 2016 economic report said that in 2014 and 2015 “the incomes of bottom 99% families have finally started recovering in earnest.”
  • Trump again claimed without evidence that “many people saw the bombs all over the apartment” of the San Bernardino shooters.
    
    
    
    

Factcheck.org is a propaganda organ. It doesn't check facts. It covers for Hillary.

I knew someone was going to claim it was biased - always happens when your guy comes off bad.

Note - they didn't cover for Hillary either.

Do you have a better factcheck source?

I know one much better one - myself.

Half of those claims are dare I say - retarded.

Such as which one?

 

[Norman]

4. “It has not been debunked. I was against the war in Iraq.” — Trump

He has been against the war, there are many quotes.

5. “She is raising everybody's taxes massively.”

Oh come on, do we really have to pull up her record? Obamacare for one...

7. “We have no growth in this country,” – Trump

Stupid...

8. “A lot has to do with the fact that our taxes are so high. About the highest in the world.” — Trump

The corporate tax is.

9. “We have the slowest growth since 1929.” – Trump

Interpreted in a certain way... true.

10. “But she wants to go to single payer, which means the government basically rules everything. Hillary Clinton has been after this for years.” — Trump

Hillary has been for single payer.

11. “Look at what she did in Libya with Qaddafi. Qaddafi is out. It's a mess. And by the way, ISIS has a good chunk of their oil.” – Trump

Hard to say what is the lie here... but certainly it is a mess.

12. "It’s Iran who she made strong and Kerry and Obama made into a powerful nation and a very rich nation, very quickly, very, very quickly,” – Trump

Yes, they are getting richer...


So yeah, just complete garbage.

 

[Timmy]

The fact checkers are in the tank for Hillary... get someone independent or GTFO.

Also those falsehoods are really really dumb to even call that. For example, he WAS against Iraq war.

That seems to be the standard reply when things come up looking bad for The Donald: it's rigged, it's biased, wah wah wah.

It is biased...

However, whether the claims are true or not is a other matter...

Do you have another source that factchecked that you are more comfortable with? Feel free to add it

I do my own fact checking since I know the facts.

So what about that list is not right ? What does YOUR fact checking say .

 

[bripat9643]

The fact checkers are in the tank for Hillary... get someone independent or GTFO.

Also those falsehoods are really really dumb to even call that. For example, he WAS against Iraq war.

That seems to be the standard reply when things come up looking bad for The Donald: it's rigged, it's biased, wah wah wah.

It is biased...

However, whether the claims are true or not is a other matter...

Do you have another source that factchecked that you are more comfortable with? Feel free to add it

I do my own fact checking since I know the facts.

So what about that list is not right ? What does YOUR fact checking say .

Norman already laid it out.

 

[ClosedCaption]

That seems to be the standard reply when things come up looking bad for The Donald: it's rigged, it's biased, wah wah wah.

It is biased...

However, whether the claims are true or not is a other matter...

Do you have another source that factchecked that you are more comfortable with? Feel free to add it

I do my own fact checking since I know the facts.

So what about that list is not right ? What does YOUR fact checking say .

Norman already laid it out.

Norman isnt a fact checker but he is your human shield

 

[Norman]

It is biased...

However, whether the claims are true or not is a other matter...

Do you have another source that factchecked that you are more comfortable with? Feel free to add it

I do my own fact checking since I know the facts.

So what about that list is not right ? What does YOUR fact checking say .

Norman already laid it out.

Norman isnt a fact checker but he is your human shield

You libs always need an authority to tell you what to think, what is right and what is wrong. Yet you think you should be able to make the rules for everyone... it is comical... Drones don't make rules or think, their comments and thoughts are worthless, as are yours.

Now, go listen some more CNN like a mindless zombie. Let them do your fact checking / thinking for you.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Do you have another source that factchecked that you are more comfortable with? Feel free to add it

I do my own fact checking since I know the facts.

So what about that list is not right ? What does YOUR fact checking say .

Norman already laid it out.

Norman isnt a fact checker but he is your human shield

You libs always need an authority to tell you what to think, what is right and what is wrong. Yet you think you should be able to make the rules for everyone... it is comical... Drones don't make rules or think, their comments and thoughts are worthless, as are yours.

Now, go listen some more CNN like a mindless zombie. Let them do your fact checking / thinking for you.

Cool Story bro...When you get the name of the fact checker you trust let us know. Until then you have 36 more name calling posts to go