facist law forces mom to give birth just to watch the child die 15 minutes later

[syrenn]

What happened was totally wrong. The law needs to have exemptions built in to allow for medical needs.


The simple solutions in my opinion would have been to Cesarean sections it out.

It seems that the law was correct. The "medical needs" were bogus. Reasonable people should understand that the whole story is not quite right. How could a medical team determine that an infant would die shortly after birth or did they make that determination after the fact? Why wasn't any effort made to correct the alleged medical problem? I'm no medical expert but any reasonable person would agree that there was no compelling reason for a late term abortion in this case.

You seem to be hung up on the idea of in utero surgery. Get over it. Not everything can be fixed.

Did i say anything about abortion? I said Cesarean section it out. .

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Neb. mom carried non-viable pregnancy due to law | The Associated Press | Nation | San Francisco Examiner

Danielle Deaver was about 22 weeks into her pregnancy when doctors told her she wouldn't be able to carry to term and her child would die soon after birth. Then to her surprise, she learned doctors couldn't end her non-viable pregnancy because of a new Nebraska law barring late-term abortions.

so instead of being able to painlessly end her pregnancy (that she and her doctor wanted, but couldn't) she had to wait around to birth the baby knowing that it was going to die.

another "win" for the fascist social conservatives who want to rule and ruin everyone elses lives

I love how you are twisting this to make a stance you oppose look bad.

Ten days later, on Dec. 8, she gave birth to a baby girl named Elizabeth who died in her mother's arms after 15 minutes.

Ten days after she found out about the problem she gave birth. She did not have a miscarriage, and she got to hold her child for 15 minutes. That focus on the 22 weeks is a bit deceiving, don't you think?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The story gives no indication of a scientific diagnosis that could identify a medical problem that would cause a baby to die within 15 minutes of birth. They operate on babies in the womb these days. They could perform a Cesarian at 22 weeks. I smell a big fat liberal rat in this story.

More than one. They seem to be ignoring the fact that this baby must have been near term before the doctors managed to diagnose the problem. Even the Supreme Court cut off abortions after 6 months.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Ten days after she found out about the problem she gave birth. She did not have a miscarriage, and she got to hold her child for 15 minutes. That focus on the 22 weeks is a bit deceiving, don't you think?

You guys are still not addressing the OP's point as to why the state should have the authority to make this decision for her.

 

[R.D.]

Ten days after she found out about the problem she gave birth. She did not have a miscarriage, and she got to hold her child for 15 minutes. That focus on the 22 weeks is a bit deceiving, don't you think?

You guys are still not addressing the OP's point as to why the state should have the authority to make this decision for her.

Because late term abortion is illegal, just is. The article is short on facts and long on emotional dishonesty.

The fetus was viable, it was born alive.

She didn't want an abortion. Most likely she is being manipulated due to her grief to score points with pro choice mindless

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Because late term abortion is illegal, just is.

Restating what we already said isn't answering the question.

 

[California Girl]

This is simply wrong. She should not have had to go through this ordeal. More proof that conservatives lie when they say they believe in limited government.

She wanted the child. Do you honestly think that any other outcome would have been less of an ordeal? There simply is no right or wrong sometimes, no matter what side of the fence you're on with regard to abortion.

 

[R.D.]

Because late term abortion is illegal, just is.

Restating what we already said isn't answering the question.

It's not really that deep a thought process..


Her life was not in danger, the child was viable and she didn't want an abortion. Why should the state allow for one?

 

[Care4all]

Non viable pregnancies end in miscarriage.This child was born and there is no indication they didn't do everything in their power to save the child.

She wanted the child and didn't want an abortion, her words, '"It wasn't an abortion "We wanted this baby."

Sounds like pro death liberals manipulating the facts.

She said "it wasn't an abortion" in talking about inducing her pregnancy after she found out her baby was basically dead, would not survive....

She did not consider what the doctors would do to induce her pregnancy as an EVIL ABORTION....

 

[Dr.Drock]

Abortion Law: Mother Denied Abortion, Then Had To Watch Baby Die - NE StatePaper.com

"Nebraska’s new abortion law forced Danielle Deaver to live through ten excruciating days, waiting to give birth to a baby that she and her doctors knew would die minutes later, fighting for breath that would not come."



"And that’s what happened. The one-pound, ten-ounce girl, Elizabeth, was born December 8th. Deaver and husband Robb watched, held and comforted the baby as it gasped for air, hoping she was not suffering. She died 15 minutes later."

I provided another link for those questioning the OP's.

Anyone who supports the actions in this instance are proving that their viewpoints have nothing to do with the health and pain of the baby. Gasping for air for 15 minutes when the doctors already knew the poor thing was going to die. Rather than safely ending it for both sides without pain, government forced this disaster to take place.

Sounds like being pro-life is more about forcing religious views on others rather than caring about an unborn fetus.

 

[blu]

Abortion Law: Mother Denied Abortion, Then Had To Watch Baby Die - NE StatePaper.com

"Nebraska’s new abortion law forced Danielle Deaver to live through ten excruciating days, waiting to give birth to a baby that she and her doctors knew would die minutes later, fighting for breath that would not come."



"And that’s what happened. The one-pound, ten-ounce girl, Elizabeth, was born December 8th. Deaver and husband Robb watched, held and comforted the baby as it gasped for air, hoping she was not suffering. She died 15 minutes later."

I provided another link for those questioning the OP's.

Anyone who supports the actions in this instance are proving that their viewpoints have nothing to do with the health and pain of the baby. Gasping for air for 15 minutes when the doctors already knew the poor thing was going to die. Rather than safely ending it for both sides without pain, government forced this disaster to take place.

Sounds like being pro-life is more about forcing religious views on others rather than caring about an unborn fetus.

yep, its the social conservative disease this country is facing... if you want to see their ultimate goals then look at Iran and the "freedoms" those people have.

 

[R.D.]

Non viable pregnancies end in miscarriage.This child was born and there is no indication they didn't do everything in their power to save the child.

She wanted the child and didn't want an abortion, her words, '

Sounds like pro death liberals manipulating the facts.

She said "it wasn't an abortion" in talking about inducing her pregnancy after she found out her baby was basically dead, would not survive....

She did not consider what the doctors would do to induce her pregnancy as an EVIL ABORTION....

No she said ..."It wasn't an abortion "We wanted this baby." and she had the baby days later

Planned parenthood is making the best out of this infants death to accomplish their agenda. It's just tissue, right.

 

[Care4all]

Non viable pregnancies end in miscarriage.This child was born and there is no indication they didn't do everything in their power to save the child.

She wanted the child and didn't want an abortion, her words, '

Sounds like pro death liberals manipulating the facts.

She said "it wasn't an abortion" in talking about inducing her pregnancy after she found out her baby was basically dead, would not survive....

She did not consider what the doctors would do to induce her pregnancy as an EVIL ABORTION....

No she said ..."It wasn't an abortion "We wanted this baby." and she had the baby days later

Planned parenthood is making the best out of this infants death to accomplish their agenda. It's just tissue, right.

Hello? Anybody home?

"It was very frustrating and added to our grief because the waiting compounded everything," said Deaver, who suffered three miscarriages before giving birth to a healthy boy in May 2008.

Deaver, 34, of Grand Island, said the law should at least have an exception for women diagnosed with non-viable pregnancies. She said she hadn't yet decided whether she would ask lawmakers to change the law or challenge it in court.

Read more at the San Francisco Examiner: Neb. mom carried non-viable pregnancy due to law | The Associated Press | Nation | San Francisco Examiner

 

[blu]

She said "it wasn't an abortion" in talking about inducing her pregnancy after she found out her baby was basically dead, would not survive....

She did not consider what the doctors would do to induce her pregnancy as an EVIL ABORTION....

No she said ..."It wasn't an abortion "We wanted this baby." and she had the baby days later

Planned parenthood is making the best out of this infants death to accomplish their agenda. It's just tissue, right.

Hello? Anybody home?

"It was very frustrating and added to our grief because the waiting compounded everything," said Deaver, who suffered three miscarriages before giving birth to a healthy boy in May 2008.

Deaver, 34, of Grand Island, said the law should at least have an exception for women diagnosed with non-viable pregnancies. She said she hadn't yet decided whether she would ask lawmakers to change the law or challenge it in court.

Read more at the San Francisco Examiner: Neb. mom carried non-viable pregnancy due to law | The Associated Press | Nation | San Francisco Examiner

yep... somehow people in this thread are trying to equate having your baby terminated before birth with waiting for pregnancy / going through labor / seeing the baby etc knowing its going to die...

 

[GHook93]

Neb. mom carried non-viable pregnancy due to law | The Associated Press | Nation | San Francisco Examiner

Danielle Deaver was about 22 weeks into her pregnancy when doctors told her she wouldn't be able to carry to term and her child would die soon after birth. Then to her surprise, she learned doctors couldn't end her non-viable pregnancy because of a new Nebraska law barring late-term abortions.

so instead of being able to painlessly end her pregnancy (that she and her doctor wanted, but couldn't) she had to wait around to birth the baby knowing that it was going to die.

another "win" for the fascist social conservatives who want to rule and ruin everyone elses lives

This is what happens when abortion laws goes to the extremes! However, I still don't think anyone and everyone should have a late term abortion. What happens to the evil soul that waits until the 3rd term to have an abortion. The baby is healthy, mother's life is not in danger, no birth defects, no rape or incest, just an immoral woman waiting the end to get an abortion. That was Tiller's main clientele!

 

[Care4all]

Neb. mom carried non-viable pregnancy due to law | The Associated Press | Nation | San Francisco Examiner

Danielle Deaver was about 22 weeks into her pregnancy when doctors told her she wouldn't be able to carry to term and her child would die soon after birth. Then to her surprise, she learned doctors couldn't end her non-viable pregnancy because of a new Nebraska law barring late-term abortions.

so instead of being able to painlessly end her pregnancy (that she and her doctor wanted, but couldn't) she had to wait around to birth the baby knowing that it was going to die.

another "win" for the fascist social conservatives who want to rule and ruin everyone elses lives

This is what happens when abortion laws goes to the extremes! However, I still don't think anyone and everyone should have a late term abortion. What happens to the evil soul that waits until the 3rd term to have an abortion. The baby is healthy, mother's life is not in danger, no birth defects, no rape or incest, just an immoral woman waiting the end to get an abortion. That was Tiller's main clientele!

other than for medical reasons similar to this woman's situation, I don't think anyone should be having a late term abortion either....

 

[PoliticalChic]

Neb. mom carried non-viable pregnancy due to law | The Associated Press | Nation | San Francisco Examiner

Danielle Deaver was about 22 weeks into her pregnancy when doctors told her she wouldn't be able to carry to term and her child would die soon after birth. Then to her surprise, she learned doctors couldn't end her non-viable pregnancy because of a new Nebraska law barring late-term abortions.

so instead of being able to painlessly end her pregnancy (that she and her doctor wanted, but couldn't) she had to wait around to birth the baby knowing that it was going to die.

another "win" for the fascist social conservatives who want to rule and ruin everyone elses lives

If I correctly understand you position as one of shock and revulsion about the death of this fetus, and the mother being forced to endure watching same, and the horror you experience when you consider the 'fascist social conservatives,' I'm sure you were even more chagrined at the possibility that some elected official, somewhere, might endorse the slow and pitiable death of an 'aborted' fetus that remained alive, and was then allowed to die.

Right? Surely you'll be consistent here, won't you?

"In 2002, as an Illinois legislator, Obama voted against the Induced Infant Liability Act, which would have protected babies that survived late-term abortions. That same year a similar federal law, the Born Alive Infant Protection Act, was signed by President Bush. Only 15 members of the U.S. House opposed it, and it passed the Senate unanimously on a voice vote.

Both the Illinois and the federal bill sought equal treatment for babies who survived premature inducement for the purpose of abortion and wanted babies who were born prematurely and given live-saving medical attention.

But Obama voted against this bill in the Illinois senate and killed it in committee. Twice, the Induced Infant Liability Act came up in the Judiciary Committee on which he served. At its first reading he voted “present.” At the second he voted “no.”

The bill was then referred to the senate’s Health and Human Services Committee, which Obama chaired after the Illinois Senate went Democratic in 2003. As chairman, he never called the bill up for a vote."Obama More Pro-Choice Than NARAL - HUMAN EVENTS

Let's see your true colors.

 

[Care4all]

Neb. mom carried non-viable pregnancy due to law | The Associated Press | Nation | San Francisco Examiner

Danielle Deaver was about 22 weeks into her pregnancy when doctors told her she wouldn't be able to carry to term and her child would die soon after birth. Then to her surprise, she learned doctors couldn't end her non-viable pregnancy because of a new Nebraska law barring late-term abortions.

so instead of being able to painlessly end her pregnancy (that she and her doctor wanted, but couldn't) she had to wait around to birth the baby knowing that it was going to die.

another "win" for the fascist social conservatives who want to rule and ruin everyone elses lives

If I correctly understand you position as one of shock and revulsion about the death of this fetus, and the mother being forced to endure watching same, and the horror you experience when you consider the 'fascist social conservatives,' I'm sure you were even more chagrined at the possibility that some elected official, somewhere, might endorse the slow and pitiable death of an 'aborted' fetus that remained alive, and was then allowed to die.

Right? Surely you'll be consistent here, won't you?

"In 2002, as an Illinois legislator, Obama voted against the Induced Infant Liability Act, which would have protected babies that survived late-term abortions. That same year a similar federal law, the Born Alive Infant Protection Act, was signed by President Bush. Only 15 members of the U.S. House opposed it, and it passed the Senate unanimously on a voice vote.

Both the Illinois and the federal bill sought equal treatment for babies who survived premature inducement for the purpose of abortion and wanted babies who were born prematurely and given live-saving medical attention.

But Obama voted against this bill in the Illinois senate and killed it in committee. Twice, the Induced Infant Liability Act came up in the Judiciary Committee on which he served. At its first reading he voted “present.” At the second he voted “no.”

The bill was then referred to the senate’s Health and Human Services Committee, which Obama chaired after the Illinois Senate went Democratic in 2003. As chairman, he never called the bill up for a vote."Obama More Pro-Choice Than NARAL - HUMAN EVENTS

Let's see your true colors.

so this is NOW about Obama instead of what this woman was faced with in Nebraska, PC?

 

[blu]

Neb. mom carried non-viable pregnancy due to law | The Associated Press | Nation | San Francisco Examiner

Danielle Deaver was about 22 weeks into her pregnancy when doctors told her she wouldn't be able to carry to term and her child would die soon after birth. Then to her surprise, she learned doctors couldn't end her non-viable pregnancy because of a new Nebraska law barring late-term abortions.

so instead of being able to painlessly end her pregnancy (that she and her doctor wanted, but couldn't) she had to wait around to birth the baby knowing that it was going to die.

another "win" for the fascist social conservatives who want to rule and ruin everyone elses lives

If I correctly understand you position as one of shock and revulsion about the death of this fetus, and the mother being forced to endure watching same, and the horror you experience when you consider the 'fascist social conservatives,' I'm sure you were even more chagrined at the possibility that some elected official, somewhere, might endorse the slow and pitiable death of an 'aborted' fetus that remained alive, and was then allowed to die.

Right? Surely you'll be consistent here, won't you?

"In 2002, as an Illinois legislator, Obama voted against the Induced Infant Liability Act, which would have protected babies that survived late-term abortions. That same year a similar federal law, the Born Alive Infant Protection Act, was signed by President Bush. Only 15 members of the U.S. House opposed it, and it passed the Senate unanimously on a voice vote.

Both the Illinois and the federal bill sought equal treatment for babies who survived premature inducement for the purpose of abortion and wanted babies who were born prematurely and given live-saving medical attention.

But Obama voted against this bill in the Illinois senate and killed it in committee. Twice, the Induced Infant Liability Act came up in the Judiciary Committee on which he served. At its first reading he voted “present.” At the second he voted “no.”

The bill was then referred to the senate’s Health and Human Services Committee, which Obama chaired after the Illinois Senate went Democratic in 2003. As chairman, he never called the bill up for a vote."Obama More Pro-Choice Than NARAL - HUMAN EVENTS

Let's see your true colors.

nice fallacy idiot... care to comment on the topic? you can always make your own thread about obama if you want...

 

[blu]

Neb. mom carried non-viable pregnancy due to law | The Associated Press | Nation | San Francisco Examiner

Danielle Deaver was about 22 weeks into her pregnancy when doctors told her she wouldn't be able to carry to term and her child would die soon after birth. Then to her surprise, she learned doctors couldn't end her non-viable pregnancy because of a new Nebraska law barring late-term abortions.

so instead of being able to painlessly end her pregnancy (that she and her doctor wanted, but couldn't) she had to wait around to birth the baby knowing that it was going to die.

another "win" for the fascist social conservatives who want to rule and ruin everyone elses lives

This is what happens when abortion laws goes to the extremes! However, I still don't think anyone and everyone should have a late term abortion. What happens to the evil soul that waits until the 3rd term to have an abortion. The baby is healthy, mother's life is not in danger, no birth defects, no rape or incest, just an immoral woman waiting the end to get an abortion. That was Tiller's main clientele!

I agree with no late term abortion for healthy women, I don't agree with your thinly veiled support of mudering a dr performing legal procedures though