Ex-F.B.I. Lawyer Expected to Plead Guilty in Durham Investigation

[basquebromance]

Kevin Clinesmith was not a bit player in Crossfire Hurricane.

*He worked with Strzok to arrange sending an FBI agent into Trump-Flynn briefing.
*He was on the Mueller team
*He took part in Papadopoulos interviews
*He was part of FISA process.

Ex-FBI Lawyer To Plead Guilty In Durham Probe To Altering Email About Carter Page

A former FBI attorney plans to plead guilty to making false statements in documents used to obtain a surveillance warrant against former Trump aide Carter Page.

dailycaller.com

 

[basquebromance]

Clinesmith knew after Trump's election that he was in big legal trouble, but that didn't stop him from fabricating evidence well into 2017.

"[M]y god damned name is all over the legal documents investigating [Trump],” Clinesmith texted an FBI colleague.

FBI Attorney Kevin Clinesmith Pleads Guilty To Falsifying Carter Page FISA Warrant

Kevin Clinesmith, a former top lawyer in James Comey's FBI, pleaded guilty on Friday to falsifying a federal spy warrant against Carter Page.

thefederalist.com

 

[colfax_m]

Democrats are total POS.

They will deny trump was spied on and or then say it was justified because he was working with the Russians. They are so brainwashed they believe whatever fits the Democrat political line at the time.

Because he wasn’t spied on. Someone else was.

 

[colfax_m]

Remember. Pleading guilty doesn’t actually mean you did anything illegal.

He actually was caught red handed.
if you are referring to Flynn, the fbi agents stated they didn’t think he had lied. He was threatened into pleading guilty, so they wouldn’t also break financially his son, as they had done to him. Big difference. Total faux comparison.

Flynn was caught red handed too.

Everyone who pleads guilty does so because of the threat of a worse sentence.

So therefore there’s no proof he did anything wrong since a guilty plea doesn’t mean a crime has been committed. That’s the stupid world we live in thanks to Billy Barr.

He was "caught" doing nothing illegal, moron. And, yes, a guilty is not proof of anything, especially when a establishment douchebag like Mueller is the prosecutor. Thousands of people who plead guilty were later found to be innocent and set free.

Great. So the guilty plea of Clinesmith is in no way validation or evidence of any illegal action.

Congrats. Our country just got dumber because of you.

You don't think that altering a document in order to get the FISA court to approve of a surveillance warrant isn't illegal?

Maybe he didn’t intend to alter it? Maybe he didn’t know that was illegal?

Of course not. He's a lawyer. How could he possibly know it wasn't legal.

Hey, sounds pretty stupid to me. But people said that Flynn didn’t know it was illegal to lie to the FBI so that’s the new standard.

He didn't know it was an official investigation. He was new to the scene. When he asked Comey if he should get his lawyers first, Comey told him it wasn't necessary. It was a few off the record questions.

New to the scene? Good grief. He's a general who reached the top echelons of military command and was appointed to highly sensitive positions. Not an idiot.

Off the record? Two FBI agents sitting in front of him taking notes suggests it's "off the record"?

Y'all have a really low opinion of Flynn's intelligence.

or flynn counted on protocol where you simply don't do what the FBI did here and therefor was at ease with the questions.

spin doctors in surgery today.

What about being "at ease" makes it okay to lie to the FBI? Nothing. Zero.

This is all spin on your part.

you have said both that admitting guilt meant you're guilty and then it also meant you may not be.

way to take a stand there, dickens.

I don't think you understand satire.

I was satirizing Billy Barr's nutty statements that feed the frenzy from the village rabble. That guy is a political hack.

i don't think you understand counter-trolling.

you wanna troll your stupid shit, i can do the same. you wanna drop bullshit and talk honestly, i can do that. i just follow the lead of the conversation.

Trolling and satire are not the same thing.

You weren’t counter trolling. You’re just being oblivious. Your posts here are little more than emotional outbursts from someone existing in a toxic media bath.

Being honest, dude needs to go to jail. He plead guilty because he’s guilty.

So did Flynn.

This is probably the biggest fish you’re going to get in your counter narrative of FBI corruption. Some low level dude that no one ever heard of. And it’s not because someone is “protecting” Comey or anyone else. It’s because there isn’t evidence to support charges against anyone else.

i'm pretty aware of what i was doing. you see, this is why it's such bullshit to talk to you. i can tell you what i'm doing and why and you go "no you weren't"

how in the fuck do you know? you don't so you're making shit up and lying.

as for my "emotional outbursts" - part of the troll man. don't really give a shit if you like it or not.

Alright man, whatever floats your boat.

You know I'm right. Deep down, you know that this is about as good as it gets for your little conspiracy theory about the FBI out to get Trump.

Think about this for a moment...

This attorney falsified public records used to obtain an illegal wire tap on a presidential candidate and then on a SITTING US PRESIDENT. This means everything they did was ILLEGAL from the get go. This makes the case solid as bedrock on everyone else.

This makes the intentional (premeditated) Fraud on the FISA court valid charges to follow up with. Given who knew and when they were told, this makes everyone in the chain right up to and including Obama and Biden culpable in the Coup.

This one case makes all the others possible. The next bomb could be 35+ indictments... And it could happen very early next week. What IF Biden is named in an indictment? What will democrats do? Biden is still just a citizen and does not gain exemption from prosecution.

I need lots of popcorn....

There was no wire tap, legal or illegal on a presidential candidate or a sitting U.S. president. Where do you guys come up with this whacked out stuff?

They spied on him, moron. These days you don't need a physical wiretap since the NSA records every phone call you make. All you have to do is get permission to access them. That's what FISA warrants are for. The claim that "there was no wiretap" is a leftwing diversion.

Specifically where was Trump spied on and when both prior and post election?

I just told you, dumbass. They went to the NSA database.

And they specifically pulled Trump's calls phone calls and pre election?

i'm sorry - can you provide the facts on this? i believe you just chided me about doing these types of things.

wow. that didn't take long.

Your haste to attack (again and again...) kind of overlooks something. I asked a question (note the punctuation?). You don't provide facts when you are asking a question. The claim is that Trump was wire tapped. I didn't make the claim. I'm only trying to keep track of shifting goal posts.

Then by all means, clarify.

And thank you. Thank you for your never ending patience and NEVER being quick to attack. You're the shining melted butter in my unworthy mashed potatoes.

You must be thinking of margarine. Seriously. Give it a rest. Try discussing the issues brought up instead of constantly focusing on the person. Damn, if I can try it you can as well. Why on EARTH would you ask for "facts" to support a question? The question is asked because there have been no facts to support the claims and there still aren't.

Why not look at that instead of go on the attack? Don't worry I'll keep on trying to ignore it but I sure would like to know what specific actions prove that Trump was directly spied on.

It's been proven Trump tower was spied on
Can you prove Trump has never been in Trump Tower? If you can prove that you made your case.

Ah, the backpedaling. Why were you all so upset that "Trump tower" was spied on as opposed to Trump? Trump tower is a wretched hive of scum an villainy, of course someone in Trump tower is going to have a wire tap.

Do you care about the Bill of Rights and the attempt of an administration to stage a coup?

Calling it a coup is about as stupid as you could possibly imagine.

 

[bripat9643]

Remember. Pleading guilty doesn’t actually mean you did anything illegal.

He actually was caught red handed.
if you are referring to Flynn, the fbi agents stated they didn’t think he had lied. He was threatened into pleading guilty, so they wouldn’t also break financially his son, as they had done to him. Big difference. Total faux comparison.

Flynn was caught red handed too.

Everyone who pleads guilty does so because of the threat of a worse sentence.

So therefore there’s no proof he did anything wrong since a guilty plea doesn’t mean a crime has been committed. That’s the stupid world we live in thanks to Billy Barr.

He was "caught" doing nothing illegal, moron. And, yes, a guilty is not proof of anything, especially when a establishment douchebag like Mueller is the prosecutor. Thousands of people who plead guilty were later found to be innocent and set free.

Great. So the guilty plea of Clinesmith is in no way validation or evidence of any illegal action.

Congrats. Our country just got dumber because of you.

You don't think that altering a document in order to get the FISA court to approve of a surveillance warrant isn't illegal?

Maybe he didn’t intend to alter it? Maybe he didn’t know that was illegal?

Of course not. He's a lawyer. How could he possibly know it wasn't legal.

Hey, sounds pretty stupid to me. But people said that Flynn didn’t know it was illegal to lie to the FBI so that’s the new standard.

He didn't know it was an official investigation. He was new to the scene. When he asked Comey if he should get his lawyers first, Comey told him it wasn't necessary. It was a few off the record questions.

New to the scene? Good grief. He's a general who reached the top echelons of military command and was appointed to highly sensitive positions. Not an idiot.

Off the record? Two FBI agents sitting in front of him taking notes suggests it's "off the record"?

Y'all have a really low opinion of Flynn's intelligence.

or flynn counted on protocol where you simply don't do what the FBI did here and therefor was at ease with the questions.

spin doctors in surgery today.

What about being "at ease" makes it okay to lie to the FBI? Nothing. Zero.

This is all spin on your part.

you have said both that admitting guilt meant you're guilty and then it also meant you may not be.

way to take a stand there, dickens.

I don't think you understand satire.

I was satirizing Billy Barr's nutty statements that feed the frenzy from the village rabble. That guy is a political hack.

i don't think you understand counter-trolling.

you wanna troll your stupid shit, i can do the same. you wanna drop bullshit and talk honestly, i can do that. i just follow the lead of the conversation.

Trolling and satire are not the same thing.

You weren’t counter trolling. You’re just being oblivious. Your posts here are little more than emotional outbursts from someone existing in a toxic media bath.

Being honest, dude needs to go to jail. He plead guilty because he’s guilty.

So did Flynn.

This is probably the biggest fish you’re going to get in your counter narrative of FBI corruption. Some low level dude that no one ever heard of. And it’s not because someone is “protecting” Comey or anyone else. It’s because there isn’t evidence to support charges against anyone else.

i'm pretty aware of what i was doing. you see, this is why it's such bullshit to talk to you. i can tell you what i'm doing and why and you go "no you weren't"

how in the fuck do you know? you don't so you're making shit up and lying.

as for my "emotional outbursts" - part of the troll man. don't really give a shit if you like it or not.

Alright man, whatever floats your boat.

You know I'm right. Deep down, you know that this is about as good as it gets for your little conspiracy theory about the FBI out to get Trump.

Think about this for a moment...

This attorney falsified public records used to obtain an illegal wire tap on a presidential candidate and then on a SITTING US PRESIDENT. This means everything they did was ILLEGAL from the get go. This makes the case solid as bedrock on everyone else.

This makes the intentional (premeditated) Fraud on the FISA court valid charges to follow up with. Given who knew and when they were told, this makes everyone in the chain right up to and including Obama and Biden culpable in the Coup.

This one case makes all the others possible. The next bomb could be 35+ indictments... And it could happen very early next week. What IF Biden is named in an indictment? What will democrats do? Biden is still just a citizen and does not gain exemption from prosecution.

I need lots of popcorn....

There was no wire tap, legal or illegal on a presidential candidate or a sitting U.S. president. Where do you guys come up with this whacked out stuff?

They spied on him, moron. These days you don't need a physical wiretap since the NSA records every phone call you make. All you have to do is get permission to access them. That's what FISA warrants are for. The claim that "there was no wiretap" is a leftwing diversion.

Specifically where was Trump spied on and when both prior and post election?

I just told you, dumbass. They went to the NSA database.

And they specifically pulled Trump's calls phone calls and pre election?

i'm sorry - can you provide the facts on this? i believe you just chided me about doing these types of things.

wow. that didn't take long.

Your haste to attack (again and again...) kind of overlooks something. I asked a question (note the punctuation?). You don't provide facts when you are asking a question. The claim is that Trump was wire tapped. I didn't make the claim. I'm only trying to keep track of shifting goal posts.

Then by all means, clarify.

And thank you. Thank you for your never ending patience and NEVER being quick to attack. You're the shining melted butter in my unworthy mashed potatoes.

You must be thinking of margarine. Seriously. Give it a rest. Try discussing the issues brought up instead of constantly focusing on the person. Damn, if I can try it you can as well. Why on EARTH would you ask for "facts" to support a question? The question is asked because there have been no facts to support the claims and there still aren't.

Why not look at that instead of go on the attack? Don't worry I'll keep on trying to ignore it but I sure would like to know what specific actions prove that Trump was directly spied on.

It's been proven Trump tower was spied on
Can you prove Trump has never been in Trump Tower? If you can prove that you made your case.

Ah, the backpedaling. Why were you all so upset that "Trump tower" was spied on as opposed to Trump? Trump tower is a wretched hive of scum an villainy, of course someone in Trump tower is going to have a wire tap.

Do you care about the Bill of Rights and the attempt of an administration to stage a coup?

Calling it a coup is about as stupid as you could possibly imagine.

No, that's accuracy.

 

[colfax_m]

Remember. Pleading guilty doesn’t actually mean you did anything illegal.

He actually was caught red handed.
if you are referring to Flynn, the fbi agents stated they didn’t think he had lied. He was threatened into pleading guilty, so they wouldn’t also break financially his son, as they had done to him. Big difference. Total faux comparison.

Flynn was caught red handed too.

Everyone who pleads guilty does so because of the threat of a worse sentence.

So therefore there’s no proof he did anything wrong since a guilty plea doesn’t mean a crime has been committed. That’s the stupid world we live in thanks to Billy Barr.

He was "caught" doing nothing illegal, moron. And, yes, a guilty is not proof of anything, especially when a establishment douchebag like Mueller is the prosecutor. Thousands of people who plead guilty were later found to be innocent and set free.

Great. So the guilty plea of Clinesmith is in no way validation or evidence of any illegal action.

Congrats. Our country just got dumber because of you.

You don't think that altering a document in order to get the FISA court to approve of a surveillance warrant isn't illegal?

Maybe he didn’t intend to alter it? Maybe he didn’t know that was illegal?

Of course not. He's a lawyer. How could he possibly know it wasn't legal.

Hey, sounds pretty stupid to me. But people said that Flynn didn’t know it was illegal to lie to the FBI so that’s the new standard.

He didn't know it was an official investigation. He was new to the scene. When he asked Comey if he should get his lawyers first, Comey told him it wasn't necessary. It was a few off the record questions.

New to the scene? Good grief. He's a general who reached the top echelons of military command and was appointed to highly sensitive positions. Not an idiot.

Off the record? Two FBI agents sitting in front of him taking notes suggests it's "off the record"?

Y'all have a really low opinion of Flynn's intelligence.

or flynn counted on protocol where you simply don't do what the FBI did here and therefor was at ease with the questions.

spin doctors in surgery today.

What about being "at ease" makes it okay to lie to the FBI? Nothing. Zero.

This is all spin on your part.

you have said both that admitting guilt meant you're guilty and then it also meant you may not be.

way to take a stand there, dickens.

I don't think you understand satire.

I was satirizing Billy Barr's nutty statements that feed the frenzy from the village rabble. That guy is a political hack.

i don't think you understand counter-trolling.

you wanna troll your stupid shit, i can do the same. you wanna drop bullshit and talk honestly, i can do that. i just follow the lead of the conversation.

Trolling and satire are not the same thing.

You weren’t counter trolling. You’re just being oblivious. Your posts here are little more than emotional outbursts from someone existing in a toxic media bath.

Being honest, dude needs to go to jail. He plead guilty because he’s guilty.

So did Flynn.

This is probably the biggest fish you’re going to get in your counter narrative of FBI corruption. Some low level dude that no one ever heard of. And it’s not because someone is “protecting” Comey or anyone else. It’s because there isn’t evidence to support charges against anyone else.

i'm pretty aware of what i was doing. you see, this is why it's such bullshit to talk to you. i can tell you what i'm doing and why and you go "no you weren't"

how in the fuck do you know? you don't so you're making shit up and lying.

as for my "emotional outbursts" - part of the troll man. don't really give a shit if you like it or not.

Alright man, whatever floats your boat.

You know I'm right. Deep down, you know that this is about as good as it gets for your little conspiracy theory about the FBI out to get Trump.

Think about this for a moment...

This attorney falsified public records used to obtain an illegal wire tap on a presidential candidate and then on a SITTING US PRESIDENT. This means everything they did was ILLEGAL from the get go. This makes the case solid as bedrock on everyone else.

This makes the intentional (premeditated) Fraud on the FISA court valid charges to follow up with. Given who knew and when they were told, this makes everyone in the chain right up to and including Obama and Biden culpable in the Coup.

This one case makes all the others possible. The next bomb could be 35+ indictments... And it could happen very early next week. What IF Biden is named in an indictment? What will democrats do? Biden is still just a citizen and does not gain exemption from prosecution.

I need lots of popcorn....

There was no wire tap, legal or illegal on a presidential candidate or a sitting U.S. president. Where do you guys come up with this whacked out stuff?

They spied on him, moron. These days you don't need a physical wiretap since the NSA records every phone call you make. All you have to do is get permission to access them. That's what FISA warrants are for. The claim that "there was no wiretap" is a leftwing diversion.

Specifically where was Trump spied on and when both prior and post election?

I just told you, dumbass. They went to the NSA database.

And they specifically pulled Trump's calls phone calls and pre election?

i'm sorry - can you provide the facts on this? i believe you just chided me about doing these types of things.

wow. that didn't take long.

Your haste to attack (again and again...) kind of overlooks something. I asked a question (note the punctuation?). You don't provide facts when you are asking a question. The claim is that Trump was wire tapped. I didn't make the claim. I'm only trying to keep track of shifting goal posts.

Then by all means, clarify.

And thank you. Thank you for your never ending patience and NEVER being quick to attack. You're the shining melted butter in my unworthy mashed potatoes.

You must be thinking of margarine. Seriously. Give it a rest. Try discussing the issues brought up instead of constantly focusing on the person. Damn, if I can try it you can as well. Why on EARTH would you ask for "facts" to support a question? The question is asked because there have been no facts to support the claims and there still aren't.

Why not look at that instead of go on the attack? Don't worry I'll keep on trying to ignore it but I sure would like to know what specific actions prove that Trump was directly spied on.

It's been proven Trump tower was spied on
Can you prove Trump has never been in Trump Tower? If you can prove that you made your case.

Ah, the backpedaling. Why were you all so upset that "Trump tower" was spied on as opposed to Trump? Trump tower is a wretched hive of scum an villainy, of course someone in Trump tower is going to have a wire tap.

Do you care about the Bill of Rights and the attempt of an administration to stage a coup?

Calling it a coup is about as stupid as you could possibly imagine.

No, that's accuracy.

Alright. Let’s explore it.

A coup is an attempt to overthrow a government.

How does investigating Trump’s campaign have anything to do with overthrowing a government?

 

[bripat9643]

Remember. Pleading guilty doesn’t actually mean you did anything illegal.

He actually was caught red handed.
if you are referring to Flynn, the fbi agents stated they didn’t think he had lied. He was threatened into pleading guilty, so they wouldn’t also break financially his son, as they had done to him. Big difference. Total faux comparison.

Flynn was caught red handed too.

Everyone who pleads guilty does so because of the threat of a worse sentence.

So therefore there’s no proof he did anything wrong since a guilty plea doesn’t mean a crime has been committed. That’s the stupid world we live in thanks to Billy Barr.

He was "caught" doing nothing illegal, moron. And, yes, a guilty is not proof of anything, especially when a establishment douchebag like Mueller is the prosecutor. Thousands of people who plead guilty were later found to be innocent and set free.

Great. So the guilty plea of Clinesmith is in no way validation or evidence of any illegal action.

Congrats. Our country just got dumber because of you.

You don't think that altering a document in order to get the FISA court to approve of a surveillance warrant isn't illegal?

Maybe he didn’t intend to alter it? Maybe he didn’t know that was illegal?

Of course not. He's a lawyer. How could he possibly know it wasn't legal.

Hey, sounds pretty stupid to me. But people said that Flynn didn’t know it was illegal to lie to the FBI so that’s the new standard.

He didn't know it was an official investigation. He was new to the scene. When he asked Comey if he should get his lawyers first, Comey told him it wasn't necessary. It was a few off the record questions.

New to the scene? Good grief. He's a general who reached the top echelons of military command and was appointed to highly sensitive positions. Not an idiot.

Off the record? Two FBI agents sitting in front of him taking notes suggests it's "off the record"?

Y'all have a really low opinion of Flynn's intelligence.

or flynn counted on protocol where you simply don't do what the FBI did here and therefor was at ease with the questions.

spin doctors in surgery today.

What about being "at ease" makes it okay to lie to the FBI? Nothing. Zero.

This is all spin on your part.

you have said both that admitting guilt meant you're guilty and then it also meant you may not be.

way to take a stand there, dickens.

I don't think you understand satire.

I was satirizing Billy Barr's nutty statements that feed the frenzy from the village rabble. That guy is a political hack.

i don't think you understand counter-trolling.

you wanna troll your stupid shit, i can do the same. you wanna drop bullshit and talk honestly, i can do that. i just follow the lead of the conversation.

Trolling and satire are not the same thing.

You weren’t counter trolling. You’re just being oblivious. Your posts here are little more than emotional outbursts from someone existing in a toxic media bath.

Being honest, dude needs to go to jail. He plead guilty because he’s guilty.

So did Flynn.

This is probably the biggest fish you’re going to get in your counter narrative of FBI corruption. Some low level dude that no one ever heard of. And it’s not because someone is “protecting” Comey or anyone else. It’s because there isn’t evidence to support charges against anyone else.

i'm pretty aware of what i was doing. you see, this is why it's such bullshit to talk to you. i can tell you what i'm doing and why and you go "no you weren't"

how in the fuck do you know? you don't so you're making shit up and lying.

as for my "emotional outbursts" - part of the troll man. don't really give a shit if you like it or not.

Alright man, whatever floats your boat.

You know I'm right. Deep down, you know that this is about as good as it gets for your little conspiracy theory about the FBI out to get Trump.

Think about this for a moment...

This attorney falsified public records used to obtain an illegal wire tap on a presidential candidate and then on a SITTING US PRESIDENT. This means everything they did was ILLEGAL from the get go. This makes the case solid as bedrock on everyone else.

This makes the intentional (premeditated) Fraud on the FISA court valid charges to follow up with. Given who knew and when they were told, this makes everyone in the chain right up to and including Obama and Biden culpable in the Coup.

This one case makes all the others possible. The next bomb could be 35+ indictments... And it could happen very early next week. What IF Biden is named in an indictment? What will democrats do? Biden is still just a citizen and does not gain exemption from prosecution.

I need lots of popcorn....

There was no wire tap, legal or illegal on a presidential candidate or a sitting U.S. president. Where do you guys come up with this whacked out stuff?

They spied on him, moron. These days you don't need a physical wiretap since the NSA records every phone call you make. All you have to do is get permission to access them. That's what FISA warrants are for. The claim that "there was no wiretap" is a leftwing diversion.

Specifically where was Trump spied on and when both prior and post election?

I just told you, dumbass. They went to the NSA database.

And they specifically pulled Trump's calls phone calls and pre election?

i'm sorry - can you provide the facts on this? i believe you just chided me about doing these types of things.

wow. that didn't take long.

Your haste to attack (again and again...) kind of overlooks something. I asked a question (note the punctuation?). You don't provide facts when you are asking a question. The claim is that Trump was wire tapped. I didn't make the claim. I'm only trying to keep track of shifting goal posts.

Then by all means, clarify.

And thank you. Thank you for your never ending patience and NEVER being quick to attack. You're the shining melted butter in my unworthy mashed potatoes.

You must be thinking of margarine. Seriously. Give it a rest. Try discussing the issues brought up instead of constantly focusing on the person. Damn, if I can try it you can as well. Why on EARTH would you ask for "facts" to support a question? The question is asked because there have been no facts to support the claims and there still aren't.

Why not look at that instead of go on the attack? Don't worry I'll keep on trying to ignore it but I sure would like to know what specific actions prove that Trump was directly spied on.

It's been proven Trump tower was spied on
Can you prove Trump has never been in Trump Tower? If you can prove that you made your case.

Ah, the backpedaling. Why were you all so upset that "Trump tower" was spied on as opposed to Trump? Trump tower is a wretched hive of scum an villainy, of course someone in Trump tower is going to have a wire tap.

Do you care about the Bill of Rights and the attempt of an administration to stage a coup?

Calling it a coup is about as stupid as you could possibly imagine.

No, that's accuracy.

Alright. Let’s explore it.

A coup is an attempt to overthrow a government.

How does investigating Trump’s campaign have anything to do with overthrowing a government?

The purpose was to gather material to use against Trump to prevent him from becoming president.

Who are you trying to kid?

 

[iceberg]

Remember. Pleading guilty doesn’t actually mean you did anything illegal.

He actually was caught red handed.
if you are referring to Flynn, the fbi agents stated they didn’t think he had lied. He was threatened into pleading guilty, so they wouldn’t also break financially his son, as they had done to him. Big difference. Total faux comparison.

Flynn was caught red handed too.

Everyone who pleads guilty does so because of the threat of a worse sentence.

So therefore there’s no proof he did anything wrong since a guilty plea doesn’t mean a crime has been committed. That’s the stupid world we live in thanks to Billy Barr.

He was "caught" doing nothing illegal, moron. And, yes, a guilty is not proof of anything, especially when a establishment douchebag like Mueller is the prosecutor. Thousands of people who plead guilty were later found to be innocent and set free.

Great. So the guilty plea of Clinesmith is in no way validation or evidence of any illegal action.

Congrats. Our country just got dumber because of you.

You don't think that altering a document in order to get the FISA court to approve of a surveillance warrant isn't illegal?

Maybe he didn’t intend to alter it? Maybe he didn’t know that was illegal?

Of course not. He's a lawyer. How could he possibly know it wasn't legal.

Hey, sounds pretty stupid to me. But people said that Flynn didn’t know it was illegal to lie to the FBI so that’s the new standard.

He didn't know it was an official investigation. He was new to the scene. When he asked Comey if he should get his lawyers first, Comey told him it wasn't necessary. It was a few off the record questions.

New to the scene? Good grief. He's a general who reached the top echelons of military command and was appointed to highly sensitive positions. Not an idiot.

Off the record? Two FBI agents sitting in front of him taking notes suggests it's "off the record"?

Y'all have a really low opinion of Flynn's intelligence.

or flynn counted on protocol where you simply don't do what the FBI did here and therefor was at ease with the questions.

spin doctors in surgery today.

What about being "at ease" makes it okay to lie to the FBI? Nothing. Zero.

This is all spin on your part.

you have said both that admitting guilt meant you're guilty and then it also meant you may not be.

way to take a stand there, dickens.

I don't think you understand satire.

I was satirizing Billy Barr's nutty statements that feed the frenzy from the village rabble. That guy is a political hack.

i don't think you understand counter-trolling.

you wanna troll your stupid shit, i can do the same. you wanna drop bullshit and talk honestly, i can do that. i just follow the lead of the conversation.

Trolling and satire are not the same thing.

You weren’t counter trolling. You’re just being oblivious. Your posts here are little more than emotional outbursts from someone existing in a toxic media bath.

Being honest, dude needs to go to jail. He plead guilty because he’s guilty.

So did Flynn.

This is probably the biggest fish you’re going to get in your counter narrative of FBI corruption. Some low level dude that no one ever heard of. And it’s not because someone is “protecting” Comey or anyone else. It’s because there isn’t evidence to support charges against anyone else.

i'm pretty aware of what i was doing. you see, this is why it's such bullshit to talk to you. i can tell you what i'm doing and why and you go "no you weren't"

how in the fuck do you know? you don't so you're making shit up and lying.

as for my "emotional outbursts" - part of the troll man. don't really give a shit if you like it or not.

Alright man, whatever floats your boat.

You know I'm right. Deep down, you know that this is about as good as it gets for your little conspiracy theory about the FBI out to get Trump.

Think about this for a moment...

This attorney falsified public records used to obtain an illegal wire tap on a presidential candidate and then on a SITTING US PRESIDENT. This means everything they did was ILLEGAL from the get go. This makes the case solid as bedrock on everyone else.

This makes the intentional (premeditated) Fraud on the FISA court valid charges to follow up with. Given who knew and when they were told, this makes everyone in the chain right up to and including Obama and Biden culpable in the Coup.

This one case makes all the others possible. The next bomb could be 35+ indictments... And it could happen very early next week. What IF Biden is named in an indictment? What will democrats do? Biden is still just a citizen and does not gain exemption from prosecution.

I need lots of popcorn....

There was no wire tap, legal or illegal on a presidential candidate or a sitting U.S. president. Where do you guys come up with this whacked out stuff?

They spied on him, moron. These days you don't need a physical wiretap since the NSA records every phone call you make. All you have to do is get permission to access them. That's what FISA warrants are for. The claim that "there was no wiretap" is a leftwing diversion.

Specifically where was Trump spied on and when both prior and post election?

I just told you, dumbass. They went to the NSA database.

And they specifically pulled Trump's calls phone calls and pre election?

i'm sorry - can you provide the facts on this? i believe you just chided me about doing these types of things.

wow. that didn't take long.

Your haste to attack (again and again...) kind of overlooks something. I asked a question (note the punctuation?). You don't provide facts when you are asking a question. The claim is that Trump was wire tapped. I didn't make the claim. I'm only trying to keep track of shifting goal posts.

Then by all means, clarify.

And thank you. Thank you for your never ending patience and NEVER being quick to attack. You're the shining melted butter in my unworthy mashed potatoes.

You must be thinking of margarine. Seriously. Give it a rest. Try discussing the issues brought up instead of constantly focusing on the person. Damn, if I can try it you can as well. Why on EARTH would you ask for "facts" to support a question? The question is asked because there have been no facts to support the claims and there still aren't.

Why not look at that instead of go on the attack? Don't worry I'll keep on trying to ignore it but I sure would like to know what specific actions prove that Trump was directly spied on.

It's been proven Trump tower was spied on
Can you prove Trump has never been in Trump Tower? If you can prove that you made your case.

Ah, the backpedaling. Why were you all so upset that "Trump tower" was spied on as opposed to Trump? Trump tower is a wretched hive of scum an villainy, of course someone in Trump tower is going to have a wire tap.

Yes COYOTE SHOULDN'T BACK PEDDLE as SHE DID.
And it's spying wiretapping is spying

Don't think I backpedaled dude. No evidence Trump himself was ever spied on either before or after the election.

And that's what I said you'd say.

Never said Trump was ever spied on, did I?

 

[MACAULAY]

Here's what Klinesmith plead guilty to under 18 USC a (3):

"......makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or entry;
shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years....."

What is not covered is that the TRUTH---the undoctored information from the CIA that Carter Page was A CIA ASSET rather than a RUSSIAN AGENT as was being alleged in the FISA Warrant had been made available to the Crossfire Hurricane Team (Comey, McCabe, Strzok and others) in 2016---before the First Warrant.

This Turd Klinesmith was only doctoring it in 2017---because Trump had become President, and there was an occasional honest Lawyer operating in the DOJ---and he had seen Page on TV claiming he was a CIA Asset!

And here he was looking at a FBI FISA Application that claimed he was a RUSSIAN AGENT!

So, he wanted some answers....Klinesmith provided the LIES....rather allowed the LIES to continue--by doctoring a document to say he WAS NOT a CIA Asset. A BIG OLE WHOPPER LIE.

Others are clearly involved, and Klinesmith, being the obvious Pussy he is...has told them who, and documented it....and so he is merely the first Domino to Fall.

Long Suffering Deplorables:

BUY. MORE. POPCORN.

 

[iceberg]

Remember. Pleading guilty doesn’t actually mean you did anything illegal.

He actually was caught red handed.
if you are referring to Flynn, the fbi agents stated they didn’t think he had lied. He was threatened into pleading guilty, so they wouldn’t also break financially his son, as they had done to him. Big difference. Total faux comparison.

Flynn was caught red handed too.

Everyone who pleads guilty does so because of the threat of a worse sentence.

So therefore there’s no proof he did anything wrong since a guilty plea doesn’t mean a crime has been committed. That’s the stupid world we live in thanks to Billy Barr.

He was "caught" doing nothing illegal, moron. And, yes, a guilty is not proof of anything, especially when a establishment douchebag like Mueller is the prosecutor. Thousands of people who plead guilty were later found to be innocent and set free.

Great. So the guilty plea of Clinesmith is in no way validation or evidence of any illegal action.

Congrats. Our country just got dumber because of you.

You don't think that altering a document in order to get the FISA court to approve of a surveillance warrant isn't illegal?

Maybe he didn’t intend to alter it? Maybe he didn’t know that was illegal?

Of course not. He's a lawyer. How could he possibly know it wasn't legal.

Hey, sounds pretty stupid to me. But people said that Flynn didn’t know it was illegal to lie to the FBI so that’s the new standard.

He didn't know it was an official investigation. He was new to the scene. When he asked Comey if he should get his lawyers first, Comey told him it wasn't necessary. It was a few off the record questions.

New to the scene? Good grief. He's a general who reached the top echelons of military command and was appointed to highly sensitive positions. Not an idiot.

Off the record? Two FBI agents sitting in front of him taking notes suggests it's "off the record"?

Y'all have a really low opinion of Flynn's intelligence.

or flynn counted on protocol where you simply don't do what the FBI did here and therefor was at ease with the questions.

spin doctors in surgery today.

What about being "at ease" makes it okay to lie to the FBI? Nothing. Zero.

This is all spin on your part.

you have said both that admitting guilt meant you're guilty and then it also meant you may not be.

way to take a stand there, dickens.

I don't think you understand satire.

I was satirizing Billy Barr's nutty statements that feed the frenzy from the village rabble. That guy is a political hack.

i don't think you understand counter-trolling.

you wanna troll your stupid shit, i can do the same. you wanna drop bullshit and talk honestly, i can do that. i just follow the lead of the conversation.

Trolling and satire are not the same thing.

You weren’t counter trolling. You’re just being oblivious. Your posts here are little more than emotional outbursts from someone existing in a toxic media bath.

Being honest, dude needs to go to jail. He plead guilty because he’s guilty.

So did Flynn.

This is probably the biggest fish you’re going to get in your counter narrative of FBI corruption. Some low level dude that no one ever heard of. And it’s not because someone is “protecting” Comey or anyone else. It’s because there isn’t evidence to support charges against anyone else.

i'm pretty aware of what i was doing. you see, this is why it's such bullshit to talk to you. i can tell you what i'm doing and why and you go "no you weren't"

how in the fuck do you know? you don't so you're making shit up and lying.

as for my "emotional outbursts" - part of the troll man. don't really give a shit if you like it or not.

Alright man, whatever floats your boat.

You know I'm right. Deep down, you know that this is about as good as it gets for your little conspiracy theory about the FBI out to get Trump.

Think about this for a moment...

This attorney falsified public records used to obtain an illegal wire tap on a presidential candidate and then on a SITTING US PRESIDENT. This means everything they did was ILLEGAL from the get go. This makes the case solid as bedrock on everyone else.

This makes the intentional (premeditated) Fraud on the FISA court valid charges to follow up with. Given who knew and when they were told, this makes everyone in the chain right up to and including Obama and Biden culpable in the Coup.

This one case makes all the others possible. The next bomb could be 35+ indictments... And it could happen very early next week. What IF Biden is named in an indictment? What will democrats do? Biden is still just a citizen and does not gain exemption from prosecution.

I need lots of popcorn....

There was no wire tap, legal or illegal on a presidential candidate or a sitting U.S. president. Where do you guys come up with this whacked out stuff?

They spied on him, moron. These days you don't need a physical wiretap since the NSA records every phone call you make. All you have to do is get permission to access them. That's what FISA warrants are for. The claim that "there was no wiretap" is a leftwing diversion.

Specifically where was Trump spied on and when both prior and post election?

I just told you, dumbass. They went to the NSA database.

And they specifically pulled Trump's calls phone calls and pre election?

i'm sorry - can you provide the facts on this? i believe you just chided me about doing these types of things.

wow. that didn't take long.

Your haste to attack (again and again...) kind of overlooks something. I asked a question (note the punctuation?). You don't provide facts when you are asking a question. The claim is that Trump was wire tapped. I didn't make the claim. I'm only trying to keep track of shifting goal posts.

Then by all means, clarify.

And thank you. Thank you for your never ending patience and NEVER being quick to attack. You're the shining melted butter in my unworthy mashed potatoes.

You must be thinking of margarine. Seriously. Give it a rest. Try discussing the issues brought up instead of constantly focusing on the person. Damn, if I can try it you can as well. Why on EARTH would you ask for "facts" to support a question? The question is asked because there have been no facts to support the claims and there still aren't.

Why not look at that instead of go on the attack? Don't worry I'll keep on trying to ignore it but I sure would like to know what specific actions prove that Trump was directly spied on.

It's been proven Trump tower was spied on
Can you prove Trump has never been in Trump Tower? If you can prove that you made your case.

Ah, the backpedaling. Why were you all so upset that "Trump tower" was spied on as opposed to Trump? Trump tower is a wretched hive of scum an villainy, of course someone in Trump tower is going to have a wire tap.

Do you care about the Bill of Rights and the attempt of an administration to stage a coup?

Calling it a coup is about as stupid as you could possibly imagine.

But not as stupid as RUSSIA itself

 

[depotoo]

After an interview, the fbi interviewer is to turn in a 302 within 5 days. The original was never turned in and 3 weeks after Strzok and Page wrote a new one, that was turned in. He was interviewed on Jan 27. The original was never found, unless the doj now has it, and have not released it yet. -

New Red Flags Emerging From FBI's Handling of Michael Flynn's Case | RealClearInvestigations

Above, the FBI's Peter Strzok, one of two agents at Flynn's interview. By Mark Hemingway, RealClearInvestigationsMay 8, 2020 The Justice Departments closing of its criminal case against President...

www.realclearinvestigations.com

 

[colfax_m]

The purpose was to gather material to use against Trump to prevent him from becoming president.

Fascinating. How does that material prevent him from becoming president?

 

[colfax_m]

Remember. Pleading guilty doesn’t actually mean you did anything illegal.

He actually was caught red handed.
if you are referring to Flynn, the fbi agents stated they didn’t think he had lied. He was threatened into pleading guilty, so they wouldn’t also break financially his son, as they had done to him. Big difference. Total faux comparison.

Flynn was caught red handed too.

Everyone who pleads guilty does so because of the threat of a worse sentence.

So therefore there’s no proof he did anything wrong since a guilty plea doesn’t mean a crime has been committed. That’s the stupid world we live in thanks to Billy Barr.

He was "caught" doing nothing illegal, moron. And, yes, a guilty is not proof of anything, especially when a establishment douchebag like Mueller is the prosecutor. Thousands of people who plead guilty were later found to be innocent and set free.

Great. So the guilty plea of Clinesmith is in no way validation or evidence of any illegal action.

Congrats. Our country just got dumber because of you.

You don't think that altering a document in order to get the FISA court to approve of a surveillance warrant isn't illegal?

Maybe he didn’t intend to alter it? Maybe he didn’t know that was illegal?

Of course not. He's a lawyer. How could he possibly know it wasn't legal.

Hey, sounds pretty stupid to me. But people said that Flynn didn’t know it was illegal to lie to the FBI so that’s the new standard.

He didn't know it was an official investigation. He was new to the scene. When he asked Comey if he should get his lawyers first, Comey told him it wasn't necessary. It was a few off the record questions.

New to the scene? Good grief. He's a general who reached the top echelons of military command and was appointed to highly sensitive positions. Not an idiot.

Off the record? Two FBI agents sitting in front of him taking notes suggests it's "off the record"?

Y'all have a really low opinion of Flynn's intelligence.

or flynn counted on protocol where you simply don't do what the FBI did here and therefor was at ease with the questions.

spin doctors in surgery today.

What about being "at ease" makes it okay to lie to the FBI? Nothing. Zero.

This is all spin on your part.

you have said both that admitting guilt meant you're guilty and then it also meant you may not be.

way to take a stand there, dickens.

I don't think you understand satire.

I was satirizing Billy Barr's nutty statements that feed the frenzy from the village rabble. That guy is a political hack.

i don't think you understand counter-trolling.

you wanna troll your stupid shit, i can do the same. you wanna drop bullshit and talk honestly, i can do that. i just follow the lead of the conversation.

Trolling and satire are not the same thing.

You weren’t counter trolling. You’re just being oblivious. Your posts here are little more than emotional outbursts from someone existing in a toxic media bath.

Being honest, dude needs to go to jail. He plead guilty because he’s guilty.

So did Flynn.

This is probably the biggest fish you’re going to get in your counter narrative of FBI corruption. Some low level dude that no one ever heard of. And it’s not because someone is “protecting” Comey or anyone else. It’s because there isn’t evidence to support charges against anyone else.

i'm pretty aware of what i was doing. you see, this is why it's such bullshit to talk to you. i can tell you what i'm doing and why and you go "no you weren't"

how in the fuck do you know? you don't so you're making shit up and lying.

as for my "emotional outbursts" - part of the troll man. don't really give a shit if you like it or not.

Alright man, whatever floats your boat.

You know I'm right. Deep down, you know that this is about as good as it gets for your little conspiracy theory about the FBI out to get Trump.

Think about this for a moment...

This attorney falsified public records used to obtain an illegal wire tap on a presidential candidate and then on a SITTING US PRESIDENT. This means everything they did was ILLEGAL from the get go. This makes the case solid as bedrock on everyone else.

This makes the intentional (premeditated) Fraud on the FISA court valid charges to follow up with. Given who knew and when they were told, this makes everyone in the chain right up to and including Obama and Biden culpable in the Coup.

This one case makes all the others possible. The next bomb could be 35+ indictments... And it could happen very early next week. What IF Biden is named in an indictment? What will democrats do? Biden is still just a citizen and does not gain exemption from prosecution.

I need lots of popcorn....

There was no wire tap, legal or illegal on a presidential candidate or a sitting U.S. president. Where do you guys come up with this whacked out stuff?

They spied on him, moron. These days you don't need a physical wiretap since the NSA records every phone call you make. All you have to do is get permission to access them. That's what FISA warrants are for. The claim that "there was no wiretap" is a leftwing diversion.

Specifically where was Trump spied on and when both prior and post election?

I just told you, dumbass. They went to the NSA database.

And they specifically pulled Trump's calls phone calls and pre election?

i'm sorry - can you provide the facts on this? i believe you just chided me about doing these types of things.

wow. that didn't take long.

Your haste to attack (again and again...) kind of overlooks something. I asked a question (note the punctuation?). You don't provide facts when you are asking a question. The claim is that Trump was wire tapped. I didn't make the claim. I'm only trying to keep track of shifting goal posts.

Then by all means, clarify.

And thank you. Thank you for your never ending patience and NEVER being quick to attack. You're the shining melted butter in my unworthy mashed potatoes.

You must be thinking of margarine. Seriously. Give it a rest. Try discussing the issues brought up instead of constantly focusing on the person. Damn, if I can try it you can as well. Why on EARTH would you ask for "facts" to support a question? The question is asked because there have been no facts to support the claims and there still aren't.

Why not look at that instead of go on the attack? Don't worry I'll keep on trying to ignore it but I sure would like to know what specific actions prove that Trump was directly spied on.

It's been proven Trump tower was spied on
Can you prove Trump has never been in Trump Tower? If you can prove that you made your case.

Ah, the backpedaling. Why were you all so upset that "Trump tower" was spied on as opposed to Trump? Trump tower is a wretched hive of scum an villainy, of course someone in Trump tower is going to have a wire tap.

Do you care about the Bill of Rights and the attempt of an administration to stage a coup?

Calling it a coup is about as stupid as you could possibly imagine.

But not as stupid as RUSSIA itself

Are you still living in a fantasy world where Russia didn’t work to help Trump’s campaign?

“His name is Seth Rich” kind of guy?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Remember. Pleading guilty doesn’t actually mean you did anything illegal.

He actually was caught red handed.
if you are referring to Flynn, the fbi agents stated they didn’t think he had lied. He was threatened into pleading guilty, so they wouldn’t also break financially his son, as they had done to him. Big difference. Total faux comparison.

Flynn was caught red handed too.

Everyone who pleads guilty does so because of the threat of a worse sentence.

So therefore there’s no proof he did anything wrong since a guilty plea doesn’t mean a crime has been committed. That’s the stupid world we live in thanks to Billy Barr.

He was "caught" doing nothing illegal, moron. And, yes, a guilty is not proof of anything, especially when a establishment douchebag like Mueller is the prosecutor. Thousands of people who plead guilty were later found to be innocent and set free.

Great. So the guilty plea of Clinesmith is in no way validation or evidence of any illegal action.

Congrats. Our country just got dumber because of you.

You don't think that altering a document in order to get the FISA court to approve of a surveillance warrant isn't illegal?

Maybe he didn’t intend to alter it? Maybe he didn’t know that was illegal?

Of course not. He's a lawyer. How could he possibly know it wasn't legal.

Hey, sounds pretty stupid to me. But people said that Flynn didn’t know it was illegal to lie to the FBI so that’s the new standard.

He didn't know it was an official investigation. He was new to the scene. When he asked Comey if he should get his lawyers first, Comey told him it wasn't necessary. It was a few off the record questions.

New to the scene? Good grief. He's a general who reached the top echelons of military command and was appointed to highly sensitive positions. Not an idiot.

Off the record? Two FBI agents sitting in front of him taking notes suggests it's "off the record"?

Y'all have a really low opinion of Flynn's intelligence.

or flynn counted on protocol where you simply don't do what the FBI did here and therefor was at ease with the questions.

spin doctors in surgery today.

What about being "at ease" makes it okay to lie to the FBI? Nothing. Zero.

This is all spin on your part.

you have said both that admitting guilt meant you're guilty and then it also meant you may not be.

way to take a stand there, dickens.

I don't think you understand satire.

I was satirizing Billy Barr's nutty statements that feed the frenzy from the village rabble. That guy is a political hack.

i don't think you understand counter-trolling.

you wanna troll your stupid shit, i can do the same. you wanna drop bullshit and talk honestly, i can do that. i just follow the lead of the conversation.

Trolling and satire are not the same thing.

You weren’t counter trolling. You’re just being oblivious. Your posts here are little more than emotional outbursts from someone existing in a toxic media bath.

Being honest, dude needs to go to jail. He plead guilty because he’s guilty.

So did Flynn.

This is probably the biggest fish you’re going to get in your counter narrative of FBI corruption. Some low level dude that no one ever heard of. And it’s not because someone is “protecting” Comey or anyone else. It’s because there isn’t evidence to support charges against anyone else.

i'm pretty aware of what i was doing. you see, this is why it's such bullshit to talk to you. i can tell you what i'm doing and why and you go "no you weren't"

how in the fuck do you know? you don't so you're making shit up and lying.

as for my "emotional outbursts" - part of the troll man. don't really give a shit if you like it or not.

Alright man, whatever floats your boat.

You know I'm right. Deep down, you know that this is about as good as it gets for your little conspiracy theory about the FBI out to get Trump.

Think about this for a moment...

This attorney falsified public records used to obtain an illegal wire tap on a presidential candidate and then on a SITTING US PRESIDENT. This means everything they did was ILLEGAL from the get go. This makes the case solid as bedrock on everyone else.

This makes the intentional (premeditated) Fraud on the FISA court valid charges to follow up with. Given who knew and when they were told, this makes everyone in the chain right up to and including Obama and Biden culpable in the Coup.

This one case makes all the others possible. The next bomb could be 35+ indictments... And it could happen very early next week. What IF Biden is named in an indictment? What will democrats do? Biden is still just a citizen and does not gain exemption from prosecution.

I need lots of popcorn....

There was no wire tap, legal or illegal on a presidential candidate or a sitting U.S. president. Where do you guys come up with this whacked out stuff?

They spied on him, moron. These days you don't need a physical wiretap since the NSA records every phone call you make. All you have to do is get permission to access them. That's what FISA warrants are for. The claim that "there was no wiretap" is a leftwing diversion.

Specifically where was Trump spied on and when both prior and post election?

I just told you, dumbass. They went to the NSA database.

And they specifically pulled Trump's calls phone calls and pre election?

i'm sorry - can you provide the facts on this? i believe you just chided me about doing these types of things.

wow. that didn't take long.

Your haste to attack (again and again...) kind of overlooks something. I asked a question (note the punctuation?). You don't provide facts when you are asking a question. The claim is that Trump was wire tapped. I didn't make the claim. I'm only trying to keep track of shifting goal posts.

Then by all means, clarify.

And thank you. Thank you for your never ending patience and NEVER being quick to attack. You're the shining melted butter in my unworthy mashed potatoes.

You must be thinking of margarine. Seriously. Give it a rest. Try discussing the issues brought up instead of constantly focusing on the person. Damn, if I can try it you can as well. Why on EARTH would you ask for "facts" to support a question? The question is asked because there have been no facts to support the claims and there still aren't.

Why not look at that instead of go on the attack? Don't worry I'll keep on trying to ignore it but I sure would like to know what specific actions prove that Trump was directly spied on.

It's been proven Trump tower was spied on
Can you prove Trump has never been in Trump Tower? If you can prove that you made your case.

Ah, the backpedaling. Why were you all so upset that "Trump tower" was spied on as opposed to Trump? Trump tower is a wretched hive of scum an villainy, of course someone in Trump tower is going to have a wire tap.

Do you care about the Bill of Rights and the attempt of an administration to stage a coup?

Calling it a coup is about as stupid as you could possibly imagine.

No, that's accuracy.

Alright. Let’s explore it.

A coup is an attempt to overthrow a government.

How does investigating Trump’s campaign have anything to do with overthrowing a government?

The purpose was to gather material to use against Trump to prevent him from becoming president.

Who are you trying to kid?

It was more to fuel hatred of Trump so he'd lose the midterms.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Remember. Pleading guilty doesn’t actually mean you did anything illegal.

He actually was caught red handed.
if you are referring to Flynn, the fbi agents stated they didn’t think he had lied. He was threatened into pleading guilty, so they wouldn’t also break financially his son, as they had done to him. Big difference. Total faux comparison.

Flynn was caught red handed too.

Everyone who pleads guilty does so because of the threat of a worse sentence.

So therefore there’s no proof he did anything wrong since a guilty plea doesn’t mean a crime has been committed. That’s the stupid world we live in thanks to Billy Barr.

He was "caught" doing nothing illegal, moron. And, yes, a guilty is not proof of anything, especially when a establishment douchebag like Mueller is the prosecutor. Thousands of people who plead guilty were later found to be innocent and set free.

Great. So the guilty plea of Clinesmith is in no way validation or evidence of any illegal action.

Congrats. Our country just got dumber because of you.

You don't think that altering a document in order to get the FISA court to approve of a surveillance warrant isn't illegal?

Maybe he didn’t intend to alter it? Maybe he didn’t know that was illegal?

Of course not. He's a lawyer. How could he possibly know it wasn't legal.

Hey, sounds pretty stupid to me. But people said that Flynn didn’t know it was illegal to lie to the FBI so that’s the new standard.

He didn't know it was an official investigation. He was new to the scene. When he asked Comey if he should get his lawyers first, Comey told him it wasn't necessary. It was a few off the record questions.

New to the scene? Good grief. He's a general who reached the top echelons of military command and was appointed to highly sensitive positions. Not an idiot.

Off the record? Two FBI agents sitting in front of him taking notes suggests it's "off the record"?

Y'all have a really low opinion of Flynn's intelligence.

or flynn counted on protocol where you simply don't do what the FBI did here and therefor was at ease with the questions.

spin doctors in surgery today.

What about being "at ease" makes it okay to lie to the FBI? Nothing. Zero.

This is all spin on your part.

you have said both that admitting guilt meant you're guilty and then it also meant you may not be.

way to take a stand there, dickens.

I don't think you understand satire.

I was satirizing Billy Barr's nutty statements that feed the frenzy from the village rabble. That guy is a political hack.

i don't think you understand counter-trolling.

you wanna troll your stupid shit, i can do the same. you wanna drop bullshit and talk honestly, i can do that. i just follow the lead of the conversation.

Trolling and satire are not the same thing.

You weren’t counter trolling. You’re just being oblivious. Your posts here are little more than emotional outbursts from someone existing in a toxic media bath.

Being honest, dude needs to go to jail. He plead guilty because he’s guilty.

So did Flynn.

This is probably the biggest fish you’re going to get in your counter narrative of FBI corruption. Some low level dude that no one ever heard of. And it’s not because someone is “protecting” Comey or anyone else. It’s because there isn’t evidence to support charges against anyone else.

i'm pretty aware of what i was doing. you see, this is why it's such bullshit to talk to you. i can tell you what i'm doing and why and you go "no you weren't"

how in the fuck do you know? you don't so you're making shit up and lying.

as for my "emotional outbursts" - part of the troll man. don't really give a shit if you like it or not.

Alright man, whatever floats your boat.

You know I'm right. Deep down, you know that this is about as good as it gets for your little conspiracy theory about the FBI out to get Trump.

Think about this for a moment...

This attorney falsified public records used to obtain an illegal wire tap on a presidential candidate and then on a SITTING US PRESIDENT. This means everything they did was ILLEGAL from the get go. This makes the case solid as bedrock on everyone else.

This makes the intentional (premeditated) Fraud on the FISA court valid charges to follow up with. Given who knew and when they were told, this makes everyone in the chain right up to and including Obama and Biden culpable in the Coup.

This one case makes all the others possible. The next bomb could be 35+ indictments... And it could happen very early next week. What IF Biden is named in an indictment? What will democrats do? Biden is still just a citizen and does not gain exemption from prosecution.

I need lots of popcorn....

There was no wire tap, legal or illegal on a presidential candidate or a sitting U.S. president. Where do you guys come up with this whacked out stuff?

They spied on him, moron. These days you don't need a physical wiretap since the NSA records every phone call you make. All you have to do is get permission to access them. That's what FISA warrants are for. The claim that "there was no wiretap" is a leftwing diversion.

Specifically where was Trump spied on and when both prior and post election?

I just told you, dumbass. They went to the NSA database.

And they specifically pulled Trump's calls phone calls and pre election?

i'm sorry - can you provide the facts on this? i believe you just chided me about doing these types of things.

wow. that didn't take long.

Your haste to attack (again and again...) kind of overlooks something. I asked a question (note the punctuation?). You don't provide facts when you are asking a question. The claim is that Trump was wire tapped. I didn't make the claim. I'm only trying to keep track of shifting goal posts.

Then by all means, clarify.

And thank you. Thank you for your never ending patience and NEVER being quick to attack. You're the shining melted butter in my unworthy mashed potatoes.

You must be thinking of margarine. Seriously. Give it a rest. Try discussing the issues brought up instead of constantly focusing on the person. Damn, if I can try it you can as well. Why on EARTH would you ask for "facts" to support a question? The question is asked because there have been no facts to support the claims and there still aren't.

Why not look at that instead of go on the attack? Don't worry I'll keep on trying to ignore it but I sure would like to know what specific actions prove that Trump was directly spied on.

It's been proven Trump tower was spied on
Can you prove Trump has never been in Trump Tower? If you can prove that you made your case.

Ah, the backpedaling. Why were you all so upset that "Trump tower" was spied on as opposed to Trump? Trump tower is a wretched hive of scum an villainy, of course someone in Trump tower is going to have a wire tap.

Do you care about the Bill of Rights and the attempt of an administration to stage a coup?

Calling it a coup is about as stupid as you could possibly imagine.

No, that's accuracy.

Alright. Let’s explore it.

A coup is an attempt to overthrow a government.

How does investigating Trump’s campaign have anything to do with overthrowing a government?

Why do you suppose the phony FISA warrants were issued? Why do you suppose the Mueller investigation was started? Why do you suppose that Trump was the first President to ever be impeached without an impeachable offense or a crime committed?

It's all to get rid of Trump.

 

[colfax_m]

Remember. Pleading guilty doesn’t actually mean you did anything illegal.

He actually was caught red handed.
if you are referring to Flynn, the fbi agents stated they didn’t think he had lied. He was threatened into pleading guilty, so they wouldn’t also break financially his son, as they had done to him. Big difference. Total faux comparison.

Flynn was caught red handed too.

Everyone who pleads guilty does so because of the threat of a worse sentence.

So therefore there’s no proof he did anything wrong since a guilty plea doesn’t mean a crime has been committed. That’s the stupid world we live in thanks to Billy Barr.

He was "caught" doing nothing illegal, moron. And, yes, a guilty is not proof of anything, especially when a establishment douchebag like Mueller is the prosecutor. Thousands of people who plead guilty were later found to be innocent and set free.

Great. So the guilty plea of Clinesmith is in no way validation or evidence of any illegal action.

Congrats. Our country just got dumber because of you.

You don't think that altering a document in order to get the FISA court to approve of a surveillance warrant isn't illegal?

Maybe he didn’t intend to alter it? Maybe he didn’t know that was illegal?

Of course not. He's a lawyer. How could he possibly know it wasn't legal.

Hey, sounds pretty stupid to me. But people said that Flynn didn’t know it was illegal to lie to the FBI so that’s the new standard.

He didn't know it was an official investigation. He was new to the scene. When he asked Comey if he should get his lawyers first, Comey told him it wasn't necessary. It was a few off the record questions.

New to the scene? Good grief. He's a general who reached the top echelons of military command and was appointed to highly sensitive positions. Not an idiot.

Off the record? Two FBI agents sitting in front of him taking notes suggests it's "off the record"?

Y'all have a really low opinion of Flynn's intelligence.

or flynn counted on protocol where you simply don't do what the FBI did here and therefor was at ease with the questions.

spin doctors in surgery today.

What about being "at ease" makes it okay to lie to the FBI? Nothing. Zero.

This is all spin on your part.

you have said both that admitting guilt meant you're guilty and then it also meant you may not be.

way to take a stand there, dickens.

I don't think you understand satire.

I was satirizing Billy Barr's nutty statements that feed the frenzy from the village rabble. That guy is a political hack.

i don't think you understand counter-trolling.

you wanna troll your stupid shit, i can do the same. you wanna drop bullshit and talk honestly, i can do that. i just follow the lead of the conversation.

Trolling and satire are not the same thing.

You weren’t counter trolling. You’re just being oblivious. Your posts here are little more than emotional outbursts from someone existing in a toxic media bath.

Being honest, dude needs to go to jail. He plead guilty because he’s guilty.

So did Flynn.

This is probably the biggest fish you’re going to get in your counter narrative of FBI corruption. Some low level dude that no one ever heard of. And it’s not because someone is “protecting” Comey or anyone else. It’s because there isn’t evidence to support charges against anyone else.

i'm pretty aware of what i was doing. you see, this is why it's such bullshit to talk to you. i can tell you what i'm doing and why and you go "no you weren't"

how in the fuck do you know? you don't so you're making shit up and lying.

as for my "emotional outbursts" - part of the troll man. don't really give a shit if you like it or not.

Alright man, whatever floats your boat.

You know I'm right. Deep down, you know that this is about as good as it gets for your little conspiracy theory about the FBI out to get Trump.

Think about this for a moment...

This attorney falsified public records used to obtain an illegal wire tap on a presidential candidate and then on a SITTING US PRESIDENT. This means everything they did was ILLEGAL from the get go. This makes the case solid as bedrock on everyone else.

This makes the intentional (premeditated) Fraud on the FISA court valid charges to follow up with. Given who knew and when they were told, this makes everyone in the chain right up to and including Obama and Biden culpable in the Coup.

This one case makes all the others possible. The next bomb could be 35+ indictments... And it could happen very early next week. What IF Biden is named in an indictment? What will democrats do? Biden is still just a citizen and does not gain exemption from prosecution.

I need lots of popcorn....

There was no wire tap, legal or illegal on a presidential candidate or a sitting U.S. president. Where do you guys come up with this whacked out stuff?

They spied on him, moron. These days you don't need a physical wiretap since the NSA records every phone call you make. All you have to do is get permission to access them. That's what FISA warrants are for. The claim that "there was no wiretap" is a leftwing diversion.

Specifically where was Trump spied on and when both prior and post election?

I just told you, dumbass. They went to the NSA database.

And they specifically pulled Trump's calls phone calls and pre election?

i'm sorry - can you provide the facts on this? i believe you just chided me about doing these types of things.

wow. that didn't take long.

Your haste to attack (again and again...) kind of overlooks something. I asked a question (note the punctuation?). You don't provide facts when you are asking a question. The claim is that Trump was wire tapped. I didn't make the claim. I'm only trying to keep track of shifting goal posts.

Then by all means, clarify.

And thank you. Thank you for your never ending patience and NEVER being quick to attack. You're the shining melted butter in my unworthy mashed potatoes.

You must be thinking of margarine. Seriously. Give it a rest. Try discussing the issues brought up instead of constantly focusing on the person. Damn, if I can try it you can as well. Why on EARTH would you ask for "facts" to support a question? The question is asked because there have been no facts to support the claims and there still aren't.

Why not look at that instead of go on the attack? Don't worry I'll keep on trying to ignore it but I sure would like to know what specific actions prove that Trump was directly spied on.

It's been proven Trump tower was spied on
Can you prove Trump has never been in Trump Tower? If you can prove that you made your case.

Ah, the backpedaling. Why were you all so upset that "Trump tower" was spied on as opposed to Trump? Trump tower is a wretched hive of scum an villainy, of course someone in Trump tower is going to have a wire tap.

Do you care about the Bill of Rights and the attempt of an administration to stage a coup?

Calling it a coup is about as stupid as you could possibly imagine.

No, that's accuracy.

Alright. Let’s explore it.

A coup is an attempt to overthrow a government.

How does investigating Trump’s campaign have anything to do with overthrowing a government?

Why do you suppose the phony FISA warrants were issued? Why do you suppose the Mueller investigation was started? Why do you suppose that Trump was the first President to ever be impeached without an impeachable offense or a crime committed?

It's all to get rid of Trump.

Remember. Pleading guilty doesn’t actually mean you did anything illegal.

He actually was caught red handed.
if you are referring to Flynn, the fbi agents stated they didn’t think he had lied. He was threatened into pleading guilty, so they wouldn’t also break financially his son, as they had done to him. Big difference. Total faux comparison.

Flynn was caught red handed too.

Everyone who pleads guilty does so because of the threat of a worse sentence.

So therefore there’s no proof he did anything wrong since a guilty plea doesn’t mean a crime has been committed. That’s the stupid world we live in thanks to Billy Barr.

He was "caught" doing nothing illegal, moron. And, yes, a guilty is not proof of anything, especially when a establishment douchebag like Mueller is the prosecutor. Thousands of people who plead guilty were later found to be innocent and set free.

Great. So the guilty plea of Clinesmith is in no way validation or evidence of any illegal action.

Congrats. Our country just got dumber because of you.

You don't think that altering a document in order to get the FISA court to approve of a surveillance warrant isn't illegal?

Maybe he didn’t intend to alter it? Maybe he didn’t know that was illegal?

Of course not. He's a lawyer. How could he possibly know it wasn't legal.

Hey, sounds pretty stupid to me. But people said that Flynn didn’t know it was illegal to lie to the FBI so that’s the new standard.

He didn't know it was an official investigation. He was new to the scene. When he asked Comey if he should get his lawyers first, Comey told him it wasn't necessary. It was a few off the record questions.

New to the scene? Good grief. He's a general who reached the top echelons of military command and was appointed to highly sensitive positions. Not an idiot.

Off the record? Two FBI agents sitting in front of him taking notes suggests it's "off the record"?

Y'all have a really low opinion of Flynn's intelligence.

or flynn counted on protocol where you simply don't do what the FBI did here and therefor was at ease with the questions.

spin doctors in surgery today.

What about being "at ease" makes it okay to lie to the FBI? Nothing. Zero.

This is all spin on your part.

you have said both that admitting guilt meant you're guilty and then it also meant you may not be.

way to take a stand there, dickens.

I don't think you understand satire.

I was satirizing Billy Barr's nutty statements that feed the frenzy from the village rabble. That guy is a political hack.

i don't think you understand counter-trolling.

you wanna troll your stupid shit, i can do the same. you wanna drop bullshit and talk honestly, i can do that. i just follow the lead of the conversation.

Trolling and satire are not the same thing.

You weren’t counter trolling. You’re just being oblivious. Your posts here are little more than emotional outbursts from someone existing in a toxic media bath.

Being honest, dude needs to go to jail. He plead guilty because he’s guilty.

So did Flynn.

This is probably the biggest fish you’re going to get in your counter narrative of FBI corruption. Some low level dude that no one ever heard of. And it’s not because someone is “protecting” Comey or anyone else. It’s because there isn’t evidence to support charges against anyone else.

i'm pretty aware of what i was doing. you see, this is why it's such bullshit to talk to you. i can tell you what i'm doing and why and you go "no you weren't"

how in the fuck do you know? you don't so you're making shit up and lying.

as for my "emotional outbursts" - part of the troll man. don't really give a shit if you like it or not.

Alright man, whatever floats your boat.

You know I'm right. Deep down, you know that this is about as good as it gets for your little conspiracy theory about the FBI out to get Trump.

Think about this for a moment...

This attorney falsified public records used to obtain an illegal wire tap on a presidential candidate and then on a SITTING US PRESIDENT. This means everything they did was ILLEGAL from the get go. This makes the case solid as bedrock on everyone else.

This makes the intentional (premeditated) Fraud on the FISA court valid charges to follow up with. Given who knew and when they were told, this makes everyone in the chain right up to and including Obama and Biden culpable in the Coup.

This one case makes all the others possible. The next bomb could be 35+ indictments... And it could happen very early next week. What IF Biden is named in an indictment? What will democrats do? Biden is still just a citizen and does not gain exemption from prosecution.

I need lots of popcorn....

There was no wire tap, legal or illegal on a presidential candidate or a sitting U.S. president. Where do you guys come up with this whacked out stuff?

They spied on him, moron. These days you don't need a physical wiretap since the NSA records every phone call you make. All you have to do is get permission to access them. That's what FISA warrants are for. The claim that "there was no wiretap" is a leftwing diversion.

Specifically where was Trump spied on and when both prior and post election?

I just told you, dumbass. They went to the NSA database.

And they specifically pulled Trump's calls phone calls and pre election?

i'm sorry - can you provide the facts on this? i believe you just chided me about doing these types of things.

wow. that didn't take long.

Your haste to attack (again and again...) kind of overlooks something. I asked a question (note the punctuation?). You don't provide facts when you are asking a question. The claim is that Trump was wire tapped. I didn't make the claim. I'm only trying to keep track of shifting goal posts.

Then by all means, clarify.

And thank you. Thank you for your never ending patience and NEVER being quick to attack. You're the shining melted butter in my unworthy mashed potatoes.

You must be thinking of margarine. Seriously. Give it a rest. Try discussing the issues brought up instead of constantly focusing on the person. Damn, if I can try it you can as well. Why on EARTH would you ask for "facts" to support a question? The question is asked because there have been no facts to support the claims and there still aren't.

Why not look at that instead of go on the attack? Don't worry I'll keep on trying to ignore it but I sure would like to know what specific actions prove that Trump was directly spied on.

It's been proven Trump tower was spied on
Can you prove Trump has never been in Trump Tower? If you can prove that you made your case.

Ah, the backpedaling. Why were you all so upset that "Trump tower" was spied on as opposed to Trump? Trump tower is a wretched hive of scum an villainy, of course someone in Trump tower is going to have a wire tap.

Do you care about the Bill of Rights and the attempt of an administration to stage a coup?

Calling it a coup is about as stupid as you could possibly imagine.

No, that's accuracy.

Alright. Let’s explore it.

A coup is an attempt to overthrow a government.

How does investigating Trump’s campaign have anything to do with overthrowing a government?

Why do you suppose the phony FISA warrants were issued? Why do you suppose the Mueller investigation was started? Why do you suppose that Trump was the first President to ever be impeached without an impeachable offense or a crime committed?

It's all to get rid of Trump.

FISA warrants were issued to investigate whether Trump was cooperating with Russians after he lied about extensive contacts with them. The Mueller investigation was started because Trump fired the person in charge of investigating his campaign activities. Trump was impeached because he was using US government policy to direct a smear against a chief political adversary.

None of these things happen if Trump hadn’t acted first.

 

[Lesh]

Lying to investigators about Carter Paige having been a one time CIA asset

I thought lying to investigators wasn’t a crime

I thought that it was a “process crime” not worthy of prosecution

And I know the CIA doesn’t like having their assets exposed

oh yea... and wasn’t Paige long gone from the Trump campaign ( because his Russian contacts were exposed) when the FISA warrant was issued?

 

[depotoo]

Remember. Pleading guilty doesn’t actually mean you did anything illegal.

He actually was caught red handed.
if you are referring to Flynn, the fbi agents stated they didn’t think he had lied. He was threatened into pleading guilty, so they wouldn’t also break financially his son, as they had done to him. Big difference. Total faux comparison.

Flynn was caught red handed too.

Everyone who pleads guilty does so because of the threat of a worse sentence.

So therefore there’s no proof he did anything wrong since a guilty plea doesn’t mean a crime has been committed. That’s the stupid world we live in thanks to Billy Barr.

He was "caught" doing nothing illegal, moron. And, yes, a guilty is not proof of anything, especially when a establishment douchebag like Mueller is the prosecutor. Thousands of people who plead guilty were later found to be innocent and set free.

Great. So the guilty plea of Clinesmith is in no way validation or evidence of any illegal action.

Congrats. Our country just got dumber because of you.

You don't think that altering a document in order to get the FISA court to approve of a surveillance warrant isn't illegal?

Maybe he didn’t intend to alter it? Maybe he didn’t know that was illegal?

Of course not. He's a lawyer. How could he possibly know it wasn't legal.

Hey, sounds pretty stupid to me. But people said that Flynn didn’t know it was illegal to lie to the FBI so that’s the new standard.

He didn't know it was an official investigation. He was new to the scene. When he asked Comey if he should get his lawyers first, Comey told him it wasn't necessary. It was a few off the record questions.

New to the scene? Good grief. He's a general who reached the top echelons of military command and was appointed to highly sensitive positions. Not an idiot.

Off the record? Two FBI agents sitting in front of him taking notes suggests it's "off the record"?

Y'all have a really low opinion of Flynn's intelligence.

or flynn counted on protocol where you simply don't do what the FBI did here and therefor was at ease with the questions.

spin doctors in surgery today.

What about being "at ease" makes it okay to lie to the FBI? Nothing. Zero.

This is all spin on your part.

you have said both that admitting guilt meant you're guilty and then it also meant you may not be.

way to take a stand there, dickens.

I don't think you understand satire.

I was satirizing Billy Barr's nutty statements that feed the frenzy from the village rabble. That guy is a political hack.

i don't think you understand counter-trolling.

you wanna troll your stupid shit, i can do the same. you wanna drop bullshit and talk honestly, i can do that. i just follow the lead of the conversation.

Trolling and satire are not the same thing.

You weren’t counter trolling. You’re just being oblivious. Your posts here are little more than emotional outbursts from someone existing in a toxic media bath.

Being honest, dude needs to go to jail. He plead guilty because he’s guilty.

So did Flynn.

This is probably the biggest fish you’re going to get in your counter narrative of FBI corruption. Some low level dude that no one ever heard of. And it’s not because someone is “protecting” Comey or anyone else. It’s because there isn’t evidence to support charges against anyone else.

i'm pretty aware of what i was doing. you see, this is why it's such bullshit to talk to you. i can tell you what i'm doing and why and you go "no you weren't"

how in the fuck do you know? you don't so you're making shit up and lying.

as for my "emotional outbursts" - part of the troll man. don't really give a shit if you like it or not.

Alright man, whatever floats your boat.

You know I'm right. Deep down, you know that this is about as good as it gets for your little conspiracy theory about the FBI out to get Trump.

Think about this for a moment...

This attorney falsified public records used to obtain an illegal wire tap on a presidential candidate and then on a SITTING US PRESIDENT. This means everything they did was ILLEGAL from the get go. This makes the case solid as bedrock on everyone else.

This makes the intentional (premeditated) Fraud on the FISA court valid charges to follow up with. Given who knew and when they were told, this makes everyone in the chain right up to and including Obama and Biden culpable in the Coup.

This one case makes all the others possible. The next bomb could be 35+ indictments... And it could happen very early next week. What IF Biden is named in an indictment? What will democrats do? Biden is still just a citizen and does not gain exemption from prosecution.

I need lots of popcorn....

There was no wire tap, legal or illegal on a presidential candidate or a sitting U.S. president. Where do you guys come up with this whacked out stuff?

They spied on him, moron. These days you don't need a physical wiretap since the NSA records every phone call you make. All you have to do is get permission to access them. That's what FISA warrants are for. The claim that "there was no wiretap" is a leftwing diversion.

Specifically where was Trump spied on and when both prior and post election?

I just told you, dumbass. They went to the NSA database.

And they specifically pulled Trump's calls phone calls and pre election?

i'm sorry - can you provide the facts on this? i believe you just chided me about doing these types of things.

wow. that didn't take long.

Your haste to attack (again and again...) kind of overlooks something. I asked a question (note the punctuation?). You don't provide facts when you are asking a question. The claim is that Trump was wire tapped. I didn't make the claim. I'm only trying to keep track of shifting goal posts.

Then by all means, clarify.

And thank you. Thank you for your never ending patience and NEVER being quick to attack. You're the shining melted butter in my unworthy mashed potatoes.

You must be thinking of margarine. Seriously. Give it a rest. Try discussing the issues brought up instead of constantly focusing on the person. Damn, if I can try it you can as well. Why on EARTH would you ask for "facts" to support a question? The question is asked because there have been no facts to support the claims and there still aren't.

Why not look at that instead of go on the attack? Don't worry I'll keep on trying to ignore it but I sure would like to know what specific actions prove that Trump was directly spied on.

It's been proven Trump tower was spied on
Can you prove Trump has never been in Trump Tower? If you can prove that you made your case.

Ah, the backpedaling. Why were you all so upset that "Trump tower" was spied on as opposed to Trump? Trump tower is a wretched hive of scum an villainy, of course someone in Trump tower is going to have a wire tap.

Do you care about the Bill of Rights and the attempt of an administration to stage a coup?

Calling it a coup is about as stupid as you could possibly imagine.

No, that's accuracy.

Alright. Let’s explore it.

A coup is an attempt to overthrow a government.

How does investigating Trump’s campaign have anything to do with overthrowing a government?

Why do you suppose the phony FISA warrants were issued? Why do you suppose the Mueller investigation was started? Why do you suppose that Trump was the first President to ever be impeached without an impeachable offense or a crime committed?

It's all to get rid of Trump.

Remember. Pleading guilty doesn’t actually mean you did anything illegal.

He actually was caught red handed.
if you are referring to Flynn, the fbi agents stated they didn’t think he had lied. He was threatened into pleading guilty, so they wouldn’t also break financially his son, as they had done to him. Big difference. Total faux comparison.

Flynn was caught red handed too.

Everyone who pleads guilty does so because of the threat of a worse sentence.

So therefore there’s no proof he did anything wrong since a guilty plea doesn’t mean a crime has been committed. That’s the stupid world we live in thanks to Billy Barr.

He was "caught" doing nothing illegal, moron. And, yes, a guilty is not proof of anything, especially when a establishment douchebag like Mueller is the prosecutor. Thousands of people who plead guilty were later found to be innocent and set free.

Great. So the guilty plea of Clinesmith is in no way validation or evidence of any illegal action.

Congrats. Our country just got dumber because of you.

You don't think that altering a document in order to get the FISA court to approve of a surveillance warrant isn't illegal?

Maybe he didn’t intend to alter it? Maybe he didn’t know that was illegal?

Of course not. He's a lawyer. How could he possibly know it wasn't legal.

Hey, sounds pretty stupid to me. But people said that Flynn didn’t know it was illegal to lie to the FBI so that’s the new standard.

He didn't know it was an official investigation. He was new to the scene. When he asked Comey if he should get his lawyers first, Comey told him it wasn't necessary. It was a few off the record questions.

New to the scene? Good grief. He's a general who reached the top echelons of military command and was appointed to highly sensitive positions. Not an idiot.

Off the record? Two FBI agents sitting in front of him taking notes suggests it's "off the record"?

Y'all have a really low opinion of Flynn's intelligence.

or flynn counted on protocol where you simply don't do what the FBI did here and therefor was at ease with the questions.

spin doctors in surgery today.

What about being "at ease" makes it okay to lie to the FBI? Nothing. Zero.

This is all spin on your part.

you have said both that admitting guilt meant you're guilty and then it also meant you may not be.

way to take a stand there, dickens.

I don't think you understand satire.

I was satirizing Billy Barr's nutty statements that feed the frenzy from the village rabble. That guy is a political hack.

i don't think you understand counter-trolling.

you wanna troll your stupid shit, i can do the same. you wanna drop bullshit and talk honestly, i can do that. i just follow the lead of the conversation.

Trolling and satire are not the same thing.

You weren’t counter trolling. You’re just being oblivious. Your posts here are little more than emotional outbursts from someone existing in a toxic media bath.

Being honest, dude needs to go to jail. He plead guilty because he’s guilty.

So did Flynn.

This is probably the biggest fish you’re going to get in your counter narrative of FBI corruption. Some low level dude that no one ever heard of. And it’s not because someone is “protecting” Comey or anyone else. It’s because there isn’t evidence to support charges against anyone else.

i'm pretty aware of what i was doing. you see, this is why it's such bullshit to talk to you. i can tell you what i'm doing and why and you go "no you weren't"

how in the fuck do you know? you don't so you're making shit up and lying.

as for my "emotional outbursts" - part of the troll man. don't really give a shit if you like it or not.

Alright man, whatever floats your boat.

You know I'm right. Deep down, you know that this is about as good as it gets for your little conspiracy theory about the FBI out to get Trump.

Think about this for a moment...

This attorney falsified public records used to obtain an illegal wire tap on a presidential candidate and then on a SITTING US PRESIDENT. This means everything they did was ILLEGAL from the get go. This makes the case solid as bedrock on everyone else.

This makes the intentional (premeditated) Fraud on the FISA court valid charges to follow up with. Given who knew and when they were told, this makes everyone in the chain right up to and including Obama and Biden culpable in the Coup.

This one case makes all the others possible. The next bomb could be 35+ indictments... And it could happen very early next week. What IF Biden is named in an indictment? What will democrats do? Biden is still just a citizen and does not gain exemption from prosecution.

I need lots of popcorn....

There was no wire tap, legal or illegal on a presidential candidate or a sitting U.S. president. Where do you guys come up with this whacked out stuff?

They spied on him, moron. These days you don't need a physical wiretap since the NSA records every phone call you make. All you have to do is get permission to access them. That's what FISA warrants are for. The claim that "there was no wiretap" is a leftwing diversion.

Specifically where was Trump spied on and when both prior and post election?

I just told you, dumbass. They went to the NSA database.

And they specifically pulled Trump's calls phone calls and pre election?

i'm sorry - can you provide the facts on this? i believe you just chided me about doing these types of things.

wow. that didn't take long.

Your haste to attack (again and again...) kind of overlooks something. I asked a question (note the punctuation?). You don't provide facts when you are asking a question. The claim is that Trump was wire tapped. I didn't make the claim. I'm only trying to keep track of shifting goal posts.

Then by all means, clarify.

And thank you. Thank you for your never ending patience and NEVER being quick to attack. You're the shining melted butter in my unworthy mashed potatoes.

You must be thinking of margarine. Seriously. Give it a rest. Try discussing the issues brought up instead of constantly focusing on the person. Damn, if I can try it you can as well. Why on EARTH would you ask for "facts" to support a question? The question is asked because there have been no facts to support the claims and there still aren't.

Why not look at that instead of go on the attack? Don't worry I'll keep on trying to ignore it but I sure would like to know what specific actions prove that Trump was directly spied on.

It's been proven Trump tower was spied on
Can you prove Trump has never been in Trump Tower? If you can prove that you made your case.

Ah, the backpedaling. Why were you all so upset that "Trump tower" was spied on as opposed to Trump? Trump tower is a wretched hive of scum an villainy, of course someone in Trump tower is going to have a wire tap.

Do you care about the Bill of Rights and the attempt of an administration to stage a coup?

Calling it a coup is about as stupid as you could possibly imagine.

No, that's accuracy.

Alright. Let’s explore it.

A coup is an attempt to overthrow a government.

How does investigating Trump’s campaign have anything to do with overthrowing a government?

Why do you suppose the phony FISA warrants were issued? Why do you suppose the Mueller investigation was started? Why do you suppose that Trump was the first President to ever be impeached without an impeachable offense or a crime committed?

It's all to get rid of Trump.

FISA warrants were issued to investigate whether Trump was cooperating with Russians after he lied about extensive contacts with them. The Mueller investigation was started because Trump fired the person in charge of investigating his campaign activities. Trump was impeached because he was using US government policy to direct a smear against a chief political adversary.

None of these things happen if Trump hadn’t acted first.

Uh, huh...

 

[colfax_m]

Remember. Pleading guilty doesn’t actually mean you did anything illegal.

He actually was caught red handed.
if you are referring to Flynn, the fbi agents stated they didn’t think he had lied. He was threatened into pleading guilty, so they wouldn’t also break financially his son, as they had done to him. Big difference. Total faux comparison.

Flynn was caught red handed too.

Everyone who pleads guilty does so because of the threat of a worse sentence.

So therefore there’s no proof he did anything wrong since a guilty plea doesn’t mean a crime has been committed. That’s the stupid world we live in thanks to Billy Barr.

He was "caught" doing nothing illegal, moron. And, yes, a guilty is not proof of anything, especially when a establishment douchebag like Mueller is the prosecutor. Thousands of people who plead guilty were later found to be innocent and set free.

Great. So the guilty plea of Clinesmith is in no way validation or evidence of any illegal action.

Congrats. Our country just got dumber because of you.

You don't think that altering a document in order to get the FISA court to approve of a surveillance warrant isn't illegal?

Maybe he didn’t intend to alter it? Maybe he didn’t know that was illegal?

Of course not. He's a lawyer. How could he possibly know it wasn't legal.

Hey, sounds pretty stupid to me. But people said that Flynn didn’t know it was illegal to lie to the FBI so that’s the new standard.

He didn't know it was an official investigation. He was new to the scene. When he asked Comey if he should get his lawyers first, Comey told him it wasn't necessary. It was a few off the record questions.

New to the scene? Good grief. He's a general who reached the top echelons of military command and was appointed to highly sensitive positions. Not an idiot.

Off the record? Two FBI agents sitting in front of him taking notes suggests it's "off the record"?

Y'all have a really low opinion of Flynn's intelligence.

or flynn counted on protocol where you simply don't do what the FBI did here and therefor was at ease with the questions.

spin doctors in surgery today.

What about being "at ease" makes it okay to lie to the FBI? Nothing. Zero.

This is all spin on your part.

you have said both that admitting guilt meant you're guilty and then it also meant you may not be.

way to take a stand there, dickens.

I don't think you understand satire.

I was satirizing Billy Barr's nutty statements that feed the frenzy from the village rabble. That guy is a political hack.

i don't think you understand counter-trolling.

you wanna troll your stupid shit, i can do the same. you wanna drop bullshit and talk honestly, i can do that. i just follow the lead of the conversation.

Trolling and satire are not the same thing.

You weren’t counter trolling. You’re just being oblivious. Your posts here are little more than emotional outbursts from someone existing in a toxic media bath.

Being honest, dude needs to go to jail. He plead guilty because he’s guilty.

So did Flynn.

This is probably the biggest fish you’re going to get in your counter narrative of FBI corruption. Some low level dude that no one ever heard of. And it’s not because someone is “protecting” Comey or anyone else. It’s because there isn’t evidence to support charges against anyone else.

i'm pretty aware of what i was doing. you see, this is why it's such bullshit to talk to you. i can tell you what i'm doing and why and you go "no you weren't"

how in the fuck do you know? you don't so you're making shit up and lying.

as for my "emotional outbursts" - part of the troll man. don't really give a shit if you like it or not.

Alright man, whatever floats your boat.

You know I'm right. Deep down, you know that this is about as good as it gets for your little conspiracy theory about the FBI out to get Trump.

Think about this for a moment...

This attorney falsified public records used to obtain an illegal wire tap on a presidential candidate and then on a SITTING US PRESIDENT. This means everything they did was ILLEGAL from the get go. This makes the case solid as bedrock on everyone else.

This makes the intentional (premeditated) Fraud on the FISA court valid charges to follow up with. Given who knew and when they were told, this makes everyone in the chain right up to and including Obama and Biden culpable in the Coup.

This one case makes all the others possible. The next bomb could be 35+ indictments... And it could happen very early next week. What IF Biden is named in an indictment? What will democrats do? Biden is still just a citizen and does not gain exemption from prosecution.

I need lots of popcorn....

There was no wire tap, legal or illegal on a presidential candidate or a sitting U.S. president. Where do you guys come up with this whacked out stuff?

They spied on him, moron. These days you don't need a physical wiretap since the NSA records every phone call you make. All you have to do is get permission to access them. That's what FISA warrants are for. The claim that "there was no wiretap" is a leftwing diversion.

Specifically where was Trump spied on and when both prior and post election?

I just told you, dumbass. They went to the NSA database.

And they specifically pulled Trump's calls phone calls and pre election?

i'm sorry - can you provide the facts on this? i believe you just chided me about doing these types of things.

wow. that didn't take long.

Your haste to attack (again and again...) kind of overlooks something. I asked a question (note the punctuation?). You don't provide facts when you are asking a question. The claim is that Trump was wire tapped. I didn't make the claim. I'm only trying to keep track of shifting goal posts.

Then by all means, clarify.

And thank you. Thank you for your never ending patience and NEVER being quick to attack. You're the shining melted butter in my unworthy mashed potatoes.

You must be thinking of margarine. Seriously. Give it a rest. Try discussing the issues brought up instead of constantly focusing on the person. Damn, if I can try it you can as well. Why on EARTH would you ask for "facts" to support a question? The question is asked because there have been no facts to support the claims and there still aren't.

Why not look at that instead of go on the attack? Don't worry I'll keep on trying to ignore it but I sure would like to know what specific actions prove that Trump was directly spied on.

It's been proven Trump tower was spied on
Can you prove Trump has never been in Trump Tower? If you can prove that you made your case.

Ah, the backpedaling. Why were you all so upset that "Trump tower" was spied on as opposed to Trump? Trump tower is a wretched hive of scum an villainy, of course someone in Trump tower is going to have a wire tap.

Do you care about the Bill of Rights and the attempt of an administration to stage a coup?

Calling it a coup is about as stupid as you could possibly imagine.

No, that's accuracy.

Alright. Let’s explore it.

A coup is an attempt to overthrow a government.

How does investigating Trump’s campaign have anything to do with overthrowing a government?

Why do you suppose the phony FISA warrants were issued? Why do you suppose the Mueller investigation was started? Why do you suppose that Trump was the first President to ever be impeached without an impeachable offense or a crime committed?

It's all to get rid of Trump.

Remember. Pleading guilty doesn’t actually mean you did anything illegal.

He actually was caught red handed.
if you are referring to Flynn, the fbi agents stated they didn’t think he had lied. He was threatened into pleading guilty, so they wouldn’t also break financially his son, as they had done to him. Big difference. Total faux comparison.

Flynn was caught red handed too.

Everyone who pleads guilty does so because of the threat of a worse sentence.

So therefore there’s no proof he did anything wrong since a guilty plea doesn’t mean a crime has been committed. That’s the stupid world we live in thanks to Billy Barr.

He was "caught" doing nothing illegal, moron. And, yes, a guilty is not proof of anything, especially when a establishment douchebag like Mueller is the prosecutor. Thousands of people who plead guilty were later found to be innocent and set free.

Great. So the guilty plea of Clinesmith is in no way validation or evidence of any illegal action.

Congrats. Our country just got dumber because of you.

You don't think that altering a document in order to get the FISA court to approve of a surveillance warrant isn't illegal?

Maybe he didn’t intend to alter it? Maybe he didn’t know that was illegal?

Of course not. He's a lawyer. How could he possibly know it wasn't legal.

Hey, sounds pretty stupid to me. But people said that Flynn didn’t know it was illegal to lie to the FBI so that’s the new standard.

He didn't know it was an official investigation. He was new to the scene. When he asked Comey if he should get his lawyers first, Comey told him it wasn't necessary. It was a few off the record questions.

New to the scene? Good grief. He's a general who reached the top echelons of military command and was appointed to highly sensitive positions. Not an idiot.

Off the record? Two FBI agents sitting in front of him taking notes suggests it's "off the record"?

Y'all have a really low opinion of Flynn's intelligence.

or flynn counted on protocol where you simply don't do what the FBI did here and therefor was at ease with the questions.

spin doctors in surgery today.

What about being "at ease" makes it okay to lie to the FBI? Nothing. Zero.

This is all spin on your part.

you have said both that admitting guilt meant you're guilty and then it also meant you may not be.

way to take a stand there, dickens.

I don't think you understand satire.

I was satirizing Billy Barr's nutty statements that feed the frenzy from the village rabble. That guy is a political hack.

i don't think you understand counter-trolling.

you wanna troll your stupid shit, i can do the same. you wanna drop bullshit and talk honestly, i can do that. i just follow the lead of the conversation.

Trolling and satire are not the same thing.

You weren’t counter trolling. You’re just being oblivious. Your posts here are little more than emotional outbursts from someone existing in a toxic media bath.

Being honest, dude needs to go to jail. He plead guilty because he’s guilty.

So did Flynn.

This is probably the biggest fish you’re going to get in your counter narrative of FBI corruption. Some low level dude that no one ever heard of. And it’s not because someone is “protecting” Comey or anyone else. It’s because there isn’t evidence to support charges against anyone else.

i'm pretty aware of what i was doing. you see, this is why it's such bullshit to talk to you. i can tell you what i'm doing and why and you go "no you weren't"

how in the fuck do you know? you don't so you're making shit up and lying.

as for my "emotional outbursts" - part of the troll man. don't really give a shit if you like it or not.

Alright man, whatever floats your boat.

You know I'm right. Deep down, you know that this is about as good as it gets for your little conspiracy theory about the FBI out to get Trump.

Think about this for a moment...

This attorney falsified public records used to obtain an illegal wire tap on a presidential candidate and then on a SITTING US PRESIDENT. This means everything they did was ILLEGAL from the get go. This makes the case solid as bedrock on everyone else.

This makes the intentional (premeditated) Fraud on the FISA court valid charges to follow up with. Given who knew and when they were told, this makes everyone in the chain right up to and including Obama and Biden culpable in the Coup.

This one case makes all the others possible. The next bomb could be 35+ indictments... And it could happen very early next week. What IF Biden is named in an indictment? What will democrats do? Biden is still just a citizen and does not gain exemption from prosecution.

I need lots of popcorn....

There was no wire tap, legal or illegal on a presidential candidate or a sitting U.S. president. Where do you guys come up with this whacked out stuff?

They spied on him, moron. These days you don't need a physical wiretap since the NSA records every phone call you make. All you have to do is get permission to access them. That's what FISA warrants are for. The claim that "there was no wiretap" is a leftwing diversion.

Specifically where was Trump spied on and when both prior and post election?

I just told you, dumbass. They went to the NSA database.

And they specifically pulled Trump's calls phone calls and pre election?

i'm sorry - can you provide the facts on this? i believe you just chided me about doing these types of things.

wow. that didn't take long.

Your haste to attack (again and again...) kind of overlooks something. I asked a question (note the punctuation?). You don't provide facts when you are asking a question. The claim is that Trump was wire tapped. I didn't make the claim. I'm only trying to keep track of shifting goal posts.

Then by all means, clarify.

And thank you. Thank you for your never ending patience and NEVER being quick to attack. You're the shining melted butter in my unworthy mashed potatoes.

You must be thinking of margarine. Seriously. Give it a rest. Try discussing the issues brought up instead of constantly focusing on the person. Damn, if I can try it you can as well. Why on EARTH would you ask for "facts" to support a question? The question is asked because there have been no facts to support the claims and there still aren't.

Why not look at that instead of go on the attack? Don't worry I'll keep on trying to ignore it but I sure would like to know what specific actions prove that Trump was directly spied on.

It's been proven Trump tower was spied on
Can you prove Trump has never been in Trump Tower? If you can prove that you made your case.

Ah, the backpedaling. Why were you all so upset that "Trump tower" was spied on as opposed to Trump? Trump tower is a wretched hive of scum an villainy, of course someone in Trump tower is going to have a wire tap.

Do you care about the Bill of Rights and the attempt of an administration to stage a coup?

Calling it a coup is about as stupid as you could possibly imagine.

No, that's accuracy.

Alright. Let’s explore it.

A coup is an attempt to overthrow a government.

How does investigating Trump’s campaign have anything to do with overthrowing a government?

Why do you suppose the phony FISA warrants were issued? Why do you suppose the Mueller investigation was started? Why do you suppose that Trump was the first President to ever be impeached without an impeachable offense or a crime committed?

It's all to get rid of Trump.

FISA warrants were issued to investigate whether Trump was cooperating with Russians after he lied about extensive contacts with them. The Mueller investigation was started because Trump fired the person in charge of investigating his campaign activities. Trump was impeached because he was using US government policy to direct a smear against a chief political adversary.

None of these things happen if Trump hadn’t acted first.

Uh, huh...
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You got him. Clinesmith was the mastermind of the whole thing.

 

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Remember. Pleading guilty doesn’t actually mean you did anything illegal.

He actually was caught red handed.
if you are referring to Flynn, the fbi agents stated they didn’t think he had lied. He was threatened into pleading guilty, so they wouldn’t also break financially his son, as they had done to him. Big difference. Total faux comparison.

Flynn was caught red handed too.

Everyone who pleads guilty does so because of the threat of a worse sentence.

So therefore there’s no proof he did anything wrong since a guilty plea doesn’t mean a crime has been committed. That’s the stupid world we live in thanks to Billy Barr.

He was "caught" doing nothing illegal, moron. And, yes, a guilty is not proof of anything, especially when a establishment douchebag like Mueller is the prosecutor. Thousands of people who plead guilty were later found to be innocent and set free.

Great. So the guilty plea of Clinesmith is in no way validation or evidence of any illegal action.

Congrats. Our country just got dumber because of you.

You don't think that altering a document in order to get the FISA court to approve of a surveillance warrant isn't illegal?

Maybe he didn’t intend to alter it? Maybe he didn’t know that was illegal?

Of course not. He's a lawyer. How could he possibly know it wasn't legal.

Hey, sounds pretty stupid to me. But people said that Flynn didn’t know it was illegal to lie to the FBI so that’s the new standard.

He didn't know it was an official investigation. He was new to the scene. When he asked Comey if he should get his lawyers first, Comey told him it wasn't necessary. It was a few off the record questions.

New to the scene? Good grief. He's a general who reached the top echelons of military command and was appointed to highly sensitive positions. Not an idiot.

Off the record? Two FBI agents sitting in front of him taking notes suggests it's "off the record"?

Y'all have a really low opinion of Flynn's intelligence.

or flynn counted on protocol where you simply don't do what the FBI did here and therefor was at ease with the questions.

spin doctors in surgery today.

What about being "at ease" makes it okay to lie to the FBI? Nothing. Zero.

This is all spin on your part.

you have said both that admitting guilt meant you're guilty and then it also meant you may not be.

way to take a stand there, dickens.

I don't think you understand satire.

I was satirizing Billy Barr's nutty statements that feed the frenzy from the village rabble. That guy is a political hack.

i don't think you understand counter-trolling.

you wanna troll your stupid shit, i can do the same. you wanna drop bullshit and talk honestly, i can do that. i just follow the lead of the conversation.

Trolling and satire are not the same thing.

You weren’t counter trolling. You’re just being oblivious. Your posts here are little more than emotional outbursts from someone existing in a toxic media bath.

Being honest, dude needs to go to jail. He plead guilty because he’s guilty.

So did Flynn.

This is probably the biggest fish you’re going to get in your counter narrative of FBI corruption. Some low level dude that no one ever heard of. And it’s not because someone is “protecting” Comey or anyone else. It’s because there isn’t evidence to support charges against anyone else.

i'm pretty aware of what i was doing. you see, this is why it's such bullshit to talk to you. i can tell you what i'm doing and why and you go "no you weren't"

how in the fuck do you know? you don't so you're making shit up and lying.

as for my "emotional outbursts" - part of the troll man. don't really give a shit if you like it or not.

Alright man, whatever floats your boat.

You know I'm right. Deep down, you know that this is about as good as it gets for your little conspiracy theory about the FBI out to get Trump.

Think about this for a moment...

This attorney falsified public records used to obtain an illegal wire tap on a presidential candidate and then on a SITTING US PRESIDENT. This means everything they did was ILLEGAL from the get go. This makes the case solid as bedrock on everyone else.

This makes the intentional (premeditated) Fraud on the FISA court valid charges to follow up with. Given who knew and when they were told, this makes everyone in the chain right up to and including Obama and Biden culpable in the Coup.

This one case makes all the others possible. The next bomb could be 35+ indictments... And it could happen very early next week. What IF Biden is named in an indictment? What will democrats do? Biden is still just a citizen and does not gain exemption from prosecution.

I need lots of popcorn....

There was no wire tap, legal or illegal on a presidential candidate or a sitting U.S. president. Where do you guys come up with this whacked out stuff?

They spied on him, moron. These days you don't need a physical wiretap since the NSA records every phone call you make. All you have to do is get permission to access them. That's what FISA warrants are for. The claim that "there was no wiretap" is a leftwing diversion.

Specifically where was Trump spied on and when both prior and post election?

I just told you, dumbass. They went to the NSA database.

And they specifically pulled Trump's calls phone calls and pre election?

i'm sorry - can you provide the facts on this? i believe you just chided me about doing these types of things.

wow. that didn't take long.

Your haste to attack (again and again...) kind of overlooks something. I asked a question (note the punctuation?). You don't provide facts when you are asking a question. The claim is that Trump was wire tapped. I didn't make the claim. I'm only trying to keep track of shifting goal posts.

Then by all means, clarify.

And thank you. Thank you for your never ending patience and NEVER being quick to attack. You're the shining melted butter in my unworthy mashed potatoes.

You must be thinking of margarine. Seriously. Give it a rest. Try discussing the issues brought up instead of constantly focusing on the person. Damn, if I can try it you can as well. Why on EARTH would you ask for "facts" to support a question? The question is asked because there have been no facts to support the claims and there still aren't.

Why not look at that instead of go on the attack? Don't worry I'll keep on trying to ignore it but I sure would like to know what specific actions prove that Trump was directly spied on.

It's been proven Trump tower was spied on
Can you prove Trump has never been in Trump Tower? If you can prove that you made your case.

Ah, the backpedaling. Why were you all so upset that "Trump tower" was spied on as opposed to Trump? Trump tower is a wretched hive of scum an villainy, of course someone in Trump tower is going to have a wire tap.

Do you care about the Bill of Rights and the attempt of an administration to stage a coup?

Calling it a coup is about as stupid as you could possibly imagine.

No, that's accuracy.

Alright. Let’s explore it.

A coup is an attempt to overthrow a government.

How does investigating Trump’s campaign have anything to do with overthrowing a government?

Why do you suppose the phony FISA warrants were issued? Why do you suppose the Mueller investigation was started? Why do you suppose that Trump was the first President to ever be impeached without an impeachable offense or a crime committed?

It's all to get rid of Trump.

Remember. Pleading guilty doesn’t actually mean you did anything illegal.

He actually was caught red handed.
if you are referring to Flynn, the fbi agents stated they didn’t think he had lied. He was threatened into pleading guilty, so they wouldn’t also break financially his son, as they had done to him. Big difference. Total faux comparison.

Flynn was caught red handed too.

Everyone who pleads guilty does so because of the threat of a worse sentence.

So therefore there’s no proof he did anything wrong since a guilty plea doesn’t mean a crime has been committed. That’s the stupid world we live in thanks to Billy Barr.

He was "caught" doing nothing illegal, moron. And, yes, a guilty is not proof of anything, especially when a establishment douchebag like Mueller is the prosecutor. Thousands of people who plead guilty were later found to be innocent and set free.

Great. So the guilty plea of Clinesmith is in no way validation or evidence of any illegal action.

Congrats. Our country just got dumber because of you.

You don't think that altering a document in order to get the FISA court to approve of a surveillance warrant isn't illegal?

Maybe he didn’t intend to alter it? Maybe he didn’t know that was illegal?

Of course not. He's a lawyer. How could he possibly know it wasn't legal.

Hey, sounds pretty stupid to me. But people said that Flynn didn’t know it was illegal to lie to the FBI so that’s the new standard.

He didn't know it was an official investigation. He was new to the scene. When he asked Comey if he should get his lawyers first, Comey told him it wasn't necessary. It was a few off the record questions.

New to the scene? Good grief. He's a general who reached the top echelons of military command and was appointed to highly sensitive positions. Not an idiot.

Off the record? Two FBI agents sitting in front of him taking notes suggests it's "off the record"?

Y'all have a really low opinion of Flynn's intelligence.

or flynn counted on protocol where you simply don't do what the FBI did here and therefor was at ease with the questions.

spin doctors in surgery today.

What about being "at ease" makes it okay to lie to the FBI? Nothing. Zero.

This is all spin on your part.

you have said both that admitting guilt meant you're guilty and then it also meant you may not be.

way to take a stand there, dickens.

I don't think you understand satire.

I was satirizing Billy Barr's nutty statements that feed the frenzy from the village rabble. That guy is a political hack.

i don't think you understand counter-trolling.

you wanna troll your stupid shit, i can do the same. you wanna drop bullshit and talk honestly, i can do that. i just follow the lead of the conversation.

Trolling and satire are not the same thing.

You weren’t counter trolling. You’re just being oblivious. Your posts here are little more than emotional outbursts from someone existing in a toxic media bath.

Being honest, dude needs to go to jail. He plead guilty because he’s guilty.

So did Flynn.

This is probably the biggest fish you’re going to get in your counter narrative of FBI corruption. Some low level dude that no one ever heard of. And it’s not because someone is “protecting” Comey or anyone else. It’s because there isn’t evidence to support charges against anyone else.

i'm pretty aware of what i was doing. you see, this is why it's such bullshit to talk to you. i can tell you what i'm doing and why and you go "no you weren't"

how in the fuck do you know? you don't so you're making shit up and lying.

as for my "emotional outbursts" - part of the troll man. don't really give a shit if you like it or not.

Alright man, whatever floats your boat.

You know I'm right. Deep down, you know that this is about as good as it gets for your little conspiracy theory about the FBI out to get Trump.

Think about this for a moment...

This attorney falsified public records used to obtain an illegal wire tap on a presidential candidate and then on a SITTING US PRESIDENT. This means everything they did was ILLEGAL from the get go. This makes the case solid as bedrock on everyone else.

This makes the intentional (premeditated) Fraud on the FISA court valid charges to follow up with. Given who knew and when they were told, this makes everyone in the chain right up to and including Obama and Biden culpable in the Coup.

This one case makes all the others possible. The next bomb could be 35+ indictments... And it could happen very early next week. What IF Biden is named in an indictment? What will democrats do? Biden is still just a citizen and does not gain exemption from prosecution.

I need lots of popcorn....

There was no wire tap, legal or illegal on a presidential candidate or a sitting U.S. president. Where do you guys come up with this whacked out stuff?

They spied on him, moron. These days you don't need a physical wiretap since the NSA records every phone call you make. All you have to do is get permission to access them. That's what FISA warrants are for. The claim that "there was no wiretap" is a leftwing diversion.

Specifically where was Trump spied on and when both prior and post election?

I just told you, dumbass. They went to the NSA database.

And they specifically pulled Trump's calls phone calls and pre election?

i'm sorry - can you provide the facts on this? i believe you just chided me about doing these types of things.

wow. that didn't take long.

Your haste to attack (again and again...) kind of overlooks something. I asked a question (note the punctuation?). You don't provide facts when you are asking a question. The claim is that Trump was wire tapped. I didn't make the claim. I'm only trying to keep track of shifting goal posts.

Then by all means, clarify.

And thank you. Thank you for your never ending patience and NEVER being quick to attack. You're the shining melted butter in my unworthy mashed potatoes.

You must be thinking of margarine. Seriously. Give it a rest. Try discussing the issues brought up instead of constantly focusing on the person. Damn, if I can try it you can as well. Why on EARTH would you ask for "facts" to support a question? The question is asked because there have been no facts to support the claims and there still aren't.

Why not look at that instead of go on the attack? Don't worry I'll keep on trying to ignore it but I sure would like to know what specific actions prove that Trump was directly spied on.

It's been proven Trump tower was spied on
Can you prove Trump has never been in Trump Tower? If you can prove that you made your case.

Ah, the backpedaling. Why were you all so upset that "Trump tower" was spied on as opposed to Trump? Trump tower is a wretched hive of scum an villainy, of course someone in Trump tower is going to have a wire tap.

Do you care about the Bill of Rights and the attempt of an administration to stage a coup?

Calling it a coup is about as stupid as you could possibly imagine.

No, that's accuracy.

Alright. Let’s explore it.

A coup is an attempt to overthrow a government.

How does investigating Trump’s campaign have anything to do with overthrowing a government?

Why do you suppose the phony FISA warrants were issued? Why do you suppose the Mueller investigation was started? Why do you suppose that Trump was the first President to ever be impeached without an impeachable offense or a crime committed?

It's all to get rid of Trump.

FISA warrants were issued to investigate whether Trump was cooperating with Russians after he lied about extensive contacts with them. The Mueller investigation was started because Trump fired the person in charge of investigating his campaign activities. Trump was impeached because he was using US government policy to direct a smear against a chief political adversary.

None of these things happen if Trump hadn’t acted first.

Uh, huh...
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You got him. Clinesmith was the mastermind of the whole thing.

No, he was just a minute piece.