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Can you think of no product whose use by citizens would be of benefit to the nation as a whole. Or, conversely, one whose use would be harmful? And, if so, why shouldn't the government work in our best interests. I thought that was a significant part of its job.
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They spend more time in the shop and given an option, they are always the last vehicles left in the garage. Not a single person with whom I work owns, or is considering owning, an EV.
I think that you are wrong on the rural areas, and also the time for the changeover. Not only are solar panels coming down in price, plus there are now used ones that still have many years of life in them for about 1/4 the cost of new panels on the market, but the home batteries are also rapidly coming down in price, and now there are a lot of different ones on the market. As the batteries increase in energy storage, the range will increase until they exceed ICE vehicles in range. I expect that to happen by 2025. So a person in a rural area with a little land can not only own an EV that fits all their needs, but fuel it with the same solar setup that powers his home. There are a number of batteries in the labs right now that exceed the present batteries in use. At least some of them will be on the market in a year or two.Yours is an ignorant opinion, based on zero experience with EV's. But you get a break, because they are still largely unknown to the general public, most of whom likely are ill informed themselves. And, as technology improves, so will battery life. It's not a question of if, but when. You are old enough to remember when a clunky desktop computer cost $3000.00, and few people owned one. Guess what? History repeats.
They may not become ubiquitous, but when there are as many charging stations as gas stations, and charges times are 10 minutes, well, I can't say if they will outpace ICE vehicles, but that time will come as well someday, maybe not our lifetimes. Exceptions for rural areas still apply.
LOL. Within three blocks of me there are two Tesla 3's, and a Tesla Y. All owned by young people. And all are very satisfied with their cars. And this is a middle class neighborhood.Most of the people with whom I work are young -- in their 20's and 30's -- and are quite disdainful of the EVs which have been forced upon us by the department (fortunately very few). They spend more time in the shop and given an option, they are always the last vehicles left in the garage. Not a single person with whom I work owns, or is considering owning, an EV. They are totally impractical for the region where I live and the lifestyle most of us live.
The only way for EV to become ubiquitous would be for government to ban their alternatives.
Well guys, sadly, EV's will not save the planet, they're not greatly better than ICE vehicles.
The European Energy Agency (EEA) report that an EV will produce 17% to 30% lower overall carbon emissions. That's right, a measly 17% to 30%.
So EV's have poor range, totally inconvenient on refueling, dangerous batteries not good for the environment, range anxiety and nose bleeding high cost, alarmists feel these are the planet saver?
Don't tell me, it's a start.
How green are electric cars? | AutoTrader
Are electric cars as green as they seem? We look at how environmentally friendly they are to produce and keep on the road.www.autotrader.co.uk
That said, the total carbon emissions of an electric car are between 17% and 30% lower than driving a petrol or diesel car, according to research by the European Energy Agency (EEA).
Electric vehicles from life cycle and circular economy perspectives - TERM 2018
Through the Transport and Environment Reporting Mechanism (TERM) report, the EEA has been monitoring progress in integrating environmental objectives in transport since 2000. The TERM report provides information to the EEA's member countries, the EU and the public. The TERM includes several...www.eea.europa.eu
Looking forward to the alarmists copying and pasting from the Auto Trader site, whilst omitting the bulk of it.
It's transferred elsewhere in the environment, usually killing fish, poisoning the watercourses due to extracting the many raw materials. Also to extract cobalt in the Republic of the Congo, they use child labour. I'm sure you will boycott EV's on a moral basis to fight child labour.That's now. That's after 100 years of gas guzzling cars, and after a few years of electric cars. What electric cars do well is keep the harmful pollution out of the cities.
The fact is there is a pretty well defined tipping point where an EV becomes greener than an ICE.Well guys, sadly, EV's will not save the planet, they're not greatly better than ICE vehicles.
The European Energy Agency (EEA) report that an EV will produce 17% to 30% lower overall carbon emissions. That's right, a measly 17% to 30%.
So EV's have poor range, totally inconvenient on refueling, dangerous batteries not good for the environment, range anxiety and nose bleeding high cost, alarmists feel these are the planet saver?
Don't tell me, it's a start.
How green are electric cars? | AutoTrader
Are electric cars as green as they seem? We look at how environmentally friendly they are to produce and keep on the road.
That said, the total carbon emissions of an electric car are between 17% and 30% lower than driving a petrol or diesel car, according to research by the European Energy Agency (EEA).
Electric vehicles from life cycle and circular economy perspectives - TERM 2018
Through the Transport and Environment Reporting Mechanism (TERM) report, the EEA has been monitoring progress in integrating environmental objectives in transport since 2000. The TERM report provides information to the EEA's member countries, the EU and the public. The TERM includes several...
Looking forward to the alarmists copying and pasting from the Auto Trader site, whilst omitting the bulk of it.
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Yes, it's like getting the biggest air pocket when the Titanic went down. At least you initially felt good.The fact is there is a pretty well defined tipping point where an EV becomes greener than an ICE.
The smaller the car the quicker it happens
When do electric vehicles become cleaner than gasoline cars?
You glide silently out of the Tesla (TSLA.O) showroom in your sleek new electric Model 3, satisfied you're looking great and doing your bit for the planet.
EVs are more dirty up front but like I said the smaller the EV the faster it reaches the tipping point where it becomes cleaner than a similar ICE.Yes, it's like getting the biggest air pocket when the Titanic went down. At least you initially felt good.
What does that have to do with the data?Blues Man can I ask, what are you expecting when cars have gone electric? Do you think the weather goes back to exactly what you experienced over your lifetime? What do you honestly think it will achieve?
No.EVs are more dirty up front but like I said the smaller the EV the faster it reaches the tipping point where it becomes cleaner than a similar ICE.
Do you dispute this?
I'm not claiming any moral authority.No.
But what I'm saying is, a bullet hitting you is a bullet hitting you. It's just that, you're trying to claim the moral high ground because you stood one foot further away from the shooter and that makes a world of difference.
No, I'm asking you for your opinion. Imagine we all went EV over night, please describe what goal this has achieved, what does the weather do etc.. You are obviously trying to achieve something that's going to result in A, B and C.What does that have to do with the data?
I have never said everyone should be forced to drive an EV.
All i am doing is presenting some facts. Why do you have a problem with that?
My opinion is that I think EVs have their place in the mix. I have always said that and I have never once claimed any moral high ground or stated that all cars should be EVsNo, I'm asking you for your opinion. Imagine we all went EV over night, please describe what goal this has achieved, what does the weather do etc.. You are obviously trying to achieve something that's going to result in A, B and C.
Or are you just another alarmist on the band wagon giving sketchy rhetoric?
I wouldn't hit the required mileage in an EV for it to greener than an ICE. Also, anyone who thinks it's cheaper due to refuelling savings, think again. The extra cost to buy one wipes hundreds of thousands of miles out.I'm not claiming any moral authority.
All I did was present some data and you seem to have a problem with that so you take it personally.
Why is that?
REally?I wouldn't hit the required mileage in an EV for it to greener than an ICE. Also, anyone who thinks it's cheaper due to refuelling savings, think again. The extra cost to buy one wipes hundreds of thousands of miles out.
I'm not offended by one piece of data to support EV's. When I try to present that bit of data in the full picture, people think I get offended by one bit of data.My opinion is that I think EVs have their place in the mix. I have always said that and I have never once claimed any moral high ground or stated that all cars should be EVs
you seem to get offended by the presentation of data though
It's not one bit of data.I'm not offended by one piece of data to support EV's. When I try to present that bit of data in the full picture, people think I get offended by one bit of data.
One bit of data on it's own is 100% correct. One bit of data put into the full picture is often 99.9% wrong.
