EVs are not selling well. Dealers are upset

[leftwinger]

Electric cars are currently being propped up with government incentives and subsidies due to the Democrats’ mad dash towards a green future.

A new report reveals that if you take away those government programs, these cars are far more expensive than people realize.

This is, of course, all part of their plan. They want to make it too expensive for most people to even own a car in the future. Cars are for elites. It’s public transportation for the rest of us.

A sweeping first-of-its-kind analysis published by think tank Texas Public Policy Foundation (TPPF) concludes that electric vehicles (EV) would cost tens of thousands of dollars more if not for generous taxpayer-funded incentives.

According to the TPPF report — authored by energy experts Jason Isaac and Brent Bennett — the average model year 2021 EV would cost approximately $48,698 more to own over a 10-year period without the staggering $22 billion in taxpayer-funded handouts that the government provides to electric car manufacturers and owners. The analysis factors in federal fuel efficiency programs, electric grid strain, and direct state and federal subsidies.

“It is not an overstatement to say that the federal government is subsidizing EVs to a greater degree than even wind and solar electricity generation and embarking on an unprecedented endeavor to remake the entire American auto industry,” the report states. “Despite these massive incentives, EVs are receiving a tepid response from the majority of Americans who cannot shoulder their higher cost.”

 

[Blues Man]

passenger cars are responsible for more than 60% of all GHG emissions.

You have any backup for this claim?

We have a literally unlimited supply of nitrogen and hydrogen

And very little of it is in the form of NH3. Hydrogen in water isn't
a source of useful energy. Nitrogen in the atmosphere isn't
a source of useful energy.

A car running on NH3 produces zero carbon emissions

Do you understand the chemicals involved in making NH3?

It's pretty easy to find if you know how to use a search engine

https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/fast-facts-transportation-greenhouse-gas-emissions

Light duty vehicles 58%
medium and heavy duty trucks 23%

81% of all ghg is produced by vehicles that travel the roads every day

The current NH3 industrial production world wide contributes 1 %

With the new processes being developed that will 1% will be reduced so even with ramping up NH3 from the 180 million metric ton annually to replace the 507 million metric tones of gasoline will only raise the ghg out put to about 5% of current levels and in return you get a better than 90% reduction of the ghg produced by vehicles.

for a net reduction of approximately 80-85%

And all industrial processes have a carbon foot print even EVs

Most midsize EVs don;t even become cleaner than an ICE car until well ingo the 50K mile range

Those full size pickups and suv EVs don't breakeven on GHG until more than 90K miles.

 

[Blues Man]

How does that beat producing hydrogen with non-emitting technologies? You still have the problem that ammonia is really dangerous and difficult stuff to handle. It makes gasoline look like bath soap.

Safety Assessments of Ammonia as a Transportation Fuel – Ammonia Energy Association

www.ammoniaenergy.org

In summary, the hazards and risks associated with the truck transport, storage, and dispensing of refrigerated anhydrous ammonia are similar to those of gasoline and LPG …The risks associated with all three fuels would fall into the acceptable category for all referenced risk criteria.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

It's pretty easy to find if you know how to use a search engine

https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/fast-facts-transportation-greenhouse-gas-emissions

Light duty vehicles 58%
medium and heavy duty trucks 23%

81% of all ghg is produced by vehicles that travel the roads every day

The current NH3 industrial production world wide contributes 1 %

With the new processes being developed that will 1% will be reduced so even with ramping up NH3 from the 180 million metric ton annually to replace the 507 million metric tones of gasoline will only raise the ghg out put to about 5% of current levels and in return you get a better than 90% reduction of the ghg produced by vehicles.

for a net reduction of approximately 80-85%

And all industrial processes have a carbon foot print even EVs

Most midsize EVs don;t even become cleaner than an ICE car until well ingo the 50K mile range

Those full size pickups and suv EVs don't breakeven on GHG until more than 90K miles.

The current NH3 industrial production world wide contributes 1 %

You never said, what's the feedstock?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

It's pretty easy to find if you know how to use a search engine

https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/fast-facts-transportation-greenhouse-gas-emissions

Light duty vehicles 58%
medium and heavy duty trucks 23%

81% of all ghg is produced by vehicles that travel the roads every day

The current NH3 industrial production world wide contributes 1 %

With the new processes being developed that will 1% will be reduced so even with ramping up NH3 from the 180 million metric ton annually to replace the 507 million metric tones of gasoline will only raise the ghg out put to about 5% of current levels and in return you get a better than 90% reduction of the ghg produced by vehicles.

for a net reduction of approximately 80-85%

And all industrial processes have a carbon foot print even EVs

Most midsize EVs don;t even become cleaner than an ICE car until well ingo the 50K mile range

Those full size pickups and suv EVs don't breakeven on GHG until more than 90K miles.

Light duty vehicles 58%
medium and heavy duty trucks 23%

81% of all ghg is produced by vehicles that travel the roads every day

Thanks for the link. You misread it.

29%, not 81%.

 

[Crick]

Safety Assessments of Ammonia as a Transportation Fuel – Ammonia Energy Association

www.ammoniaenergy.org

In summary, the hazards and risks associated with the truck transport, storage, and dispensing of refrigerated anhydrous ammonia are similar to those of gasoline and LPG …The risks associated with all three fuels would fall into the acceptable category for all referenced risk criteria.

Ammonia Energy Association? Now there's an objective source.

https://www.airgas.com/msds/001003.pdf

 

[Blues Man]

The current NH3 industrial production world wide contributes 1 %

You never said, what's the feedstock?

Look up how NH3 is made if you want to know

 

[Blues Man]

Ammonia Energy Association? Now there's an objective source.

https://www.airgas.com/msds/001003.pdf

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In summary, the hazards and risks associated with the truck transport, storage, and dispensing of refrigerated anhydrous ammonia are similar to those of gasoline and LPG …The risks associated with all three fuels would fall into the acceptable category for all referenced risk criteria.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Look up how NH3 is made if you want to know

I know how it's made.
Why don't you show that you know?