The federal government should have NOTHING to do with student loans

[Rawley]

The government has a vested interest in an educated workforce and population in general. If anything, there should be more aid for studies and training for everything from truck driving to astronomy; from AI to X-Ray tech.

Only fools think we need less skilled people in the workforce.

OK, and what does that have to do with the gvt running a loan program?

 

[candycorn]

then how come 75 percent of jobs dont require a college education,,

Exactly 75%. Wow, you’ve got to love that precision.

Are you saying that 75% of the jobs don’t require any formal training?

 

[candycorn]

OK, and what does that have to do with the gvt running a loan program?

See my post above.

 

[progressive hunter]

Exactly 75%. Wow, you’ve got to love that precision.

Are you saying that 75% of the jobs don’t require any formal training?

why are you moving the goal posts??

I was specific to what I meant,,

 

[Rawley]

My thought is that I'm stunned this system has survived for as long as it has given that education isn't an option in this day and age...its a necessity. The days of making your living tending a field or as a blacksmith are long gone. Even the trades have a heavy educational component these days.

Really? Who is making more $ and contributing more to the societal good - a plumber or a woman studies major?

 

[Mac-7]

The government has a vested interest in an educated workforce and population in general. If anything, there should be more aid for studies and training for everything from truck driving to astronomy; from AI to X-Ray tech.

Only fools think we need less skilled people in the workforce.

How much education do libs need to be a soda jerk at Starbucks?

 

[candycorn]

why are you moving the goal posts??

The goalposts are right where they’ve always been.

I was specific to what I meant,,

So was I.

Having more educated people is better than having fewer educated people.

 

[candycorn]

Really? Who is making more $ and contributing more to the societal good - a plumber or a woman studies major?

lol...

I don’t know any woman studies majors.

Plumbers make a good living.

They also get training to make that good living.

Hence my statement about having “more educated people” is a good thing.

 

[progressive hunter]

The goalposts are right where they’ve always been.

So was I.

Having more educated people is better than having fewer educated people.

no its not,,
I said colleg education and you spun it to formal education,,

what are they educated in??

more people educated in gender studies or underwater basket weaving is not a good thing,,

more people trained to weld and grow food is a good thing and not taught in most colleges without paying for the gender studies while they are getting it,,

 

[Rawley]

See my post above.

Sorry, I'm not paying for someone to pursue a degree in woman studies.

 

[progressive hunter]

lol...

I don’t know any woman studies majors.

Plumbers make a good living.

They also get training to make that good living.

Hence my statement about having “more educated people” is a good thing.

training thats not given at most if not all colleges,,

 

[dblack]

They should be like any other loan. PERIOD.

CAR, CREDIT CARD, PERSONAL LOAN, HOUSE, BOAT, MOTORCYCLE, PAYDAY ADVANCE.

ANYTHING.

The loans should have zero to do with the FED.

Ayup.

 

[Mac-7]

Then there is the issue of price gouging by the colleges

 

[Zincwarrior]

the discussion is about tuition and student loans not funding the schools,,

the boomers had to pay it themselves and the government didnt back that funding,,

No. The Boomers paid a tiny bit. the state and feds funded the rest of the school's budget.

Higher Education Expenditures

www.urban.org

Declining state expenditures on public universities are in fact driving tuition increases

A recent New York Times article misrepresented a key issue in rising tuition rates

www.urban.org

But the facts are clear. After adjusting for inflation, state appropriations per student were 18 percent lower in 2013-14 than they were thirty years earlier, and 29 percent lower than their peak in 1988-89. Over the past decade, state funding per student declined by 14 percent.

 

[dblack]

Well, if you want to know what I think...

we're going about it all wrong. I mean, if you're watching this system from Mars, you'd think "What in the fuck are they doing? An 18 y/o taking out $100K in loans???" It is ridiculous from any standpoint. My thought is that I'm stunned this system has survived for as long as it has given that education isn't an option in this day and age...its a necessity.

A college education isn't a necessity. Regardless, it isn't government's job to decide what is necessary, much less provide it.

 

[progressive hunter]

No. The Boomers paid a tiny bit. the state and feds funded the rest of the school's budget.

we arent talking about the schools budget you stupid fuck,,

 

[candycorn]

no its not,,
I said colleg education and you spun it to formal education,,

what are they educated in??

more people educated in gender studies or underwater basket weaving is not a good thing,,

more people trained to weld and grow food is a good thing and not taught in most colleges without paying for the gender studies while they are getting it,,

I did no such thing.
You mis-spelled “college”.

 

[candycorn]

Sorry, I'm not paying for someone to pursue a degree in woman studies.

Ok.

What Rawley doesn’t know is that he already is. If ignorance is bliss, he must be orgasmic.

 

[progressive hunter]

I did no such thing.
You mis-spelled “college”.

yes you did,, formal training is not the same as a college education,,

 

[candycorn]

A college education isn't a necessity. Regardless, it isn't government's job to decide what is necessary, much less provide it.

I agree. But getting some advanced training makes you more employable and you likely will earn more money.